Author Topic: Gill fired/KU coach search/Weiss master thread (Read 328891 times)

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #1425 on:** December 09, 2011, 11:18:05 AM »

Quote from: felix rex on December 09, 2011, 11:16:31 AM

Looking at it with perspective, what Weis did or did not do at ND really has no bearing on his potential at Kansas. Nobody wins at ND. Kelley is doing worse than Weis did.

Yeah, Notre Dame is an impossible job.

felix rex · « **Reply #1426 on:** December 09, 2011, 11:23:26 AM »

I do think the ceiling is very high with Weis. He's an extremely intelligent guy and you can't create intelligence.

felix rex · « **Reply #1427 on:** December 09, 2011, 11:25:00 AM »

Quote from: Nuts Kicked on December 09, 2011, 11:18:05 AM

Quote from: felix rex on December 09, 2011, 11:16:31 AM
Looking at it with perspective, what Weis did or did not do at ND really has no bearing on his potential at Kansas. Nobody wins at ND. Kelley is doing worse than Weis did.

Yeah, Notre Dame is an impossible job.

Exactly. And it's silly to say that he hates to recruit. In fact, he was a very good recruiter at Notre Dame and significantly upgraded the talent level over what was there when Willingham was the coach (without being able to use JUCOs to plug the holes he inherited). I would expect that he'll recruit very well at KU.

His Recruiting classes looked like this (nationally):

2005 (incoming year): Scout #27, Rivals #40
2006: Scout #5, Rivals #8
2007: Scout #11, Rivals #8
2008: Scout #2, Rivals #2
2009: Scout #23, Rivals #21

Can we put that to rest already?

pissclams · « **Reply #1428 on:** December 09, 2011, 11:28:19 AM »

I compare the hiring of Charlie Weis to that of Jim Wooldridge. Very similar coaches in all aspects.

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #1429 on:** December 09, 2011, 11:30:37 AM »

Quote from: felix rex on December 09, 2011, 11:25:00 AM

Quote from: Nuts Kicked on December 09, 2011, 11:18:05 AM
Quote from: felix rex on December 09, 2011, 11:16:31 AM
Looking at it with perspective, what Weis did or did not do at ND really has no bearing on his potential at Kansas. Nobody wins at ND. Kelley is doing worse than Weis did.

Yeah, Notre Dame is an impossible job.

Exactly. And it's silly to say that he hates to recruit. In fact, he was a very good recruiter at Notre Dame and significantly upgraded the talent level over what was there when Willingham was the coach (without being able to use JUCOs to plug the holes he inherited). I would expect that he'll recruit very well at KU.

His Recruiting classes looked like this (nationally):

2005 (incoming year): Scout #27, Rivals #40
2006: Scout #5, Rivals #8
2007: Scout #11, Rivals #8
2008: Scout #2, Rivals #2
2009: Scout #23, Rivals #21

Can we put that to rest already?

No doubt. Weis will be the last coach to ever take Notre Dame to a BCS game unless Notre Dame lowers their admission standards to a competitive level.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #1430 on:** December 09, 2011, 11:37:59 AM »

How does Notre Dame not have talent if they had 3 Top 10 classes in a row? How is it impossible to win there if you can recruit like that?

Their SOS the last 5 years on average is around #45. Weis' last three years it was an average of #57.

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #1431 on:** December 09, 2011, 11:43:46 AM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on December 09, 2011, 11:37:59 AM

How does Notre Dame not have talent if they had 3 Top 10 classes in a row? How is it impossible to win there if you can recruit like that?

Their SOS the last 5 years on average is around #45. Weis' last three years it was an average of #57.

It's a tough job because of the expectations and admission standards. I'm not saying Weis is a good coach, but I wouldn't say he will never be successful just because he struggled at Notre Dame.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #1432 on:** December 09, 2011, 11:46:22 AM »

Quote from: Nuts Kicked on December 09, 2011, 11:43:46 AM

Quote from: ksu_FAN on December 09, 2011, 11:37:59 AM
How does Notre Dame not have talent if they had 3 Top 10 classes in a row? How is it impossible to win there if you can recruit like that?

Their SOS the last 5 years on average is around #45. Weis' last three years it was an average of #57.

It's a tough job because of the expectations and admission standards. I'm not saying Weis is a good coach, but I wouldn't say he will never be successful just because he struggled at Notre Dame.

That's fair enough. And yes, expectations there are really dumb, but I'm not sure Notre Dames fans will every realize its not 1977 anymore.

felix rex · « **Reply #1433 on:** December 09, 2011, 11:49:27 AM »

My KU friends explained that the only elite recruits you can qualify at ND are OL and QB. They said you just can't get the elite defensive and skill players past admissions. Not sure what he meant.

felix rex · « **Reply #1434 on:** December 09, 2011, 11:51:22 AM »

Without a doubt, the guy will get top QB talent looking at KU’s program. And the college game revolves around the success and failures of QB play.

bakerman · « **Reply #1435 on:** December 09, 2011, 11:53:01 AM »

Quote from: felix rex on December 09, 2011, 11:49:27 AM

My KU friends explained that the only elite recruits you can qualify at ND are OL and QB. They said you just can't get the elite defensive and skill players past admissions. Not sure what he meant.

he meant

felix rex · « **Reply #1436 on:** December 09, 2011, 11:55:57 AM »

The way I see it, even with a Saban or Meyer, people could argue that they've never had to do it at a school like KU, with KU's RELATIVE lack of fan support, resources, recruiting base, etc. In other words, if people want to find a reason to hate on any potential coaching candidate, it's not that hard.

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #1437 on:** December 09, 2011, 12:02:35 PM »

Quote from: felix rex on December 09, 2011, 11:49:27 AM

My KU friends explained that the only elite recruits you can qualify at ND are OL and QB. They said you just can't get the elite defensive and skill players past admissions. Not sure what he meant.

I'm willing to bet that your KU friend loves to point out how "well spoken" Robert Griffin III is when talking about why they like him so much.

felix rex · « **Reply #1438 on:** December 09, 2011, 12:19:13 PM »

It won't just Crist coming either. I'd be very surprised if 4 or 5 ND Grads dont show up...along with some Miami recruits that haven't committed yet.

Rams · « **Reply #1439 on:** December 09, 2011, 01:13:54 PM »

I can't wait for the contract deets.

chum1 · « **Reply #1440 on:** December 09, 2011, 01:24:26 PM »

i read $3 million somewhere. honestly, can't you get a good, proven college coach for that kind of money? seems like there wouldn't be too many coaches you couldn't get.

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #1441 on:** December 09, 2011, 01:25:34 PM »

Quote from: chum1 on December 09, 2011, 01:24:26 PM

i read $3 million somewhere. honestly, can't you get a good, proven college coach for that kind of money? seems like there wouldn't be too many coaches you couldn't get.

How much do they pay Self?

MadCat · « **Reply #1442 on:** December 09, 2011, 01:29:54 PM »

Dammit. Now Sean is going to ask for more money!

OregonSmock · « **Reply #1443 on:** December 09, 2011, 01:46:58 PM »

Weis' coaching staff is going to be incredible, and it doesn't hurt that we're likely to get a 5-star QB as well.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #1444 on:** December 09, 2011, 01:51:04 PM »

Blair Kerkhoff @BlairKerkhoff 1 min
LHC Bill Snyder on Charlie Weis: I'll think he'll do wonderful job...a very quality hire."

chunkles · « **Reply #1445 on:** December 09, 2011, 01:56:35 PM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on December 09, 2011, 01:51:04 PM

Blair Kerkhoff @BlairKerkhoff 1 min
LHC Bill Snyder on Charlie Weis: I'll think he'll do wonderful job...a very quality hire."

solid, and long-term

DeoKat · « **Reply #1446 on:** December 09, 2011, 02:06:47 PM »

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/gators/florida-offensive-coordinator-charlie-weis-leaving-to-become-2021373.html

"He was not able to fix Florida's dismal offense. The Gators averaged 334.2 yards per game, which was 16 yards worse than last year and ranked 102nd out of 120 teams in the FBS. They scored 12 points or fewer in six games and finished the regular season 6-6.

Their rushing offense dropped 22.5 yards per game from last season and the passing game improved by roughly 6 yards. They also fell to a 31 percent conversion rate on third downs, the ninth-worst mark in the nation."

john "teach me how to" dougie · « **Reply #1447 on:** December 09, 2011, 02:12:40 PM »

Quote from: DeoKat on December 09, 2011, 02:06:47 PM

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/gators/florida-offensive-coordinator-charlie-weis-leaving-to-become-2021373.html

"He was not able to fix Florida's dismal offense. The Gators averaged 334.2 yards per game, which was 16 yards worse than last year and ranked 102nd out of 120 teams in the FBS. They scored 12 points or fewer in six games and finished the regular season 6-6.

Their rushing offense dropped 22.5 yards per game from last season and the passing game improved by roughly 6 yards. They also fell to a 31 percent conversion rate on third downs, the ninth-worst mark in the nation."

Florida probably gave him a "good" letter of recommendation.

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #1448 on:** December 09, 2011, 02:14:07 PM »

The 4th choice is always the best choice.

RTB · « **Reply #1449 on:** December 09, 2011, 02:14:59 PM »

Quote from: OregonHawk on December 09, 2011, 01:46:58 PM

Weis' coaching staff is going to be incredible, and it doesn't hurt that we're likely to get a 5-star QB as well.

Yeah and we had a 5-star RB. Besides Webb isn't that bad of a QB, I wouldn't say he is much worse than Crist.