202x Coaching Carousel

[pissclams]

definitely southern california for this poster

[michigancat]

Well, Florida State isn't open the other three jobs are equal although it's significantly easier to get to the CFP at USC.

I think it's a hell of a lot harder to recruit to USC than the other places

[MakeItRain]

Well, Florida State isn't open the other three jobs are equal although it's significantly easier to get to the CFP at USC.

I think it's a hell of a lot harder to recruit to USC than the other places

That's cire level wrong. Rivals class ratings started in 2002. From 2002-2018 USC were in the top 10: every year but one, that one year they were 13th. In that 17 year time frame they had the #1 class 6 times. Helton got fired because he was an awful recruiter, but even he, in his 6 classes had classes ranked 10, 6, 3, and 8 it was the two classes between that 3 and 8 that did him in. Since Rivals started class rankings USC has had 4 coaches, all of them had at least 1 top 3 class, Helton is the only one to not have multiple top 3 classes.

USC is still easily first choice for all California recruits and most recruits west of the Rockies.

[michigancat]

I'll admit I did zero research and didn't realize they'd been that good, although they had some pretty great recruiters before Helton. I was just thinking anecdotally how isolated LA is from the rest of the country and how the popularity of high school football in California seems to be getting less and less. Also I wonder how often they were behind LSU all those years.

Also why was their 2020 class ranked #71???

[MakeItRain]

Looks like it was just misses that they didn't have backups for. Look at the names they missed on. This is from an athletic article on that class, it was a winners and losers column and USC was the only listed loser. Incidentally K-State was a listed winner because of the work the social media team did with introducing the class on Twitter, it was the Lego man motif if you remember that. Anyway

The point of this is not to pile on. There really are few losers on signing day. USC’s situation is unique and complex enough that it’s hard to actually compare it to anyone else’s class. When can you say you’ve ever seen one of the truly elite traditional powers in college football recruiting end up with results like this?

The facts are these: the Trojans currently have the No. 78 class in the 247Sports Composite rankings, which puts them in between Bowling Green and Louisiana. This is the lowest-rated class in the Pac-12, although the class size (11 signees) is a big part of that. USC has inked one blue-chip recruit in this class so far, OL Jonah Monheim, and he’s the nation’s No. 350 prospect. USC lost the battle for Flowe and failed to pull off a surprise flip for RB Bijan Robinson (Texas), CB Elias Ricks (LSU) or former QB commit Bryce Young (Alabama). Among the top 25 recruits in the state of California for the 2020 cycle, only one signed with an in-state school on Wednesday — and he’s going to Stanford. In fairness, USC can still land four-star WR Gary Bryant Jr., the No. 7 recruit in the state. But adding another great WR to this team is not going to fix much.

As our Antonio Morales wrote, all this does is clearly illustrate the uphill battle that Clay Helton will continue to face as head coach. New AD Mike Bohn retaining Helton for another year does not suddenly establish stability or silence all the negative recruiting. How do you sell kids on spending their next four to five years at USC if they totally believe this staff is here to stay? Holding onto OC Graham Harrell was a step in the right direction, and the Trojans do have a few promising early pledges for 2021. But a class like this only makes it tougher to rally support and change perception.

[muqluk]

rumor now is Campbell turned down USC and is looking at a long term extension at ISU

[Katpappy]

rumor now is Campbell turned down USC and is looking at a long term extension at ISU

I think he got one not too long ago.

[ben ji]

What's your coaching destination pecking order among LSU, Florida, Florida State and USC? I think mine is as listed.

USC - Easiest path to the CFP and can still pull in top recruits across the nation and there is tons of talent in their backyard.

Florida - Only above LSU until Nick Saban retires. Talent rich state and SEC East is down to you and UGA most years.

LSU - Seems crazy to put them this low since their last 3 coaches have all won national titles. Once Saban retires this will be a better job then FL.

FSU - The only + here is that they are in the ACC and should have an easier path to the CFP but they are also in the BFE portion of FL that is basically SEC Territory. They are the big 12 equivalent of TX Tech when it comes to how far away they are from the main recruiting/population areas of their state.

[BIG APPLE CAT]

rumor now is Campbell turned down USC and is looking at a long term extension at ISU

Let’s also keep in mind that Campbell is an iowa 8 and a California 2

[michigancat]

I think the fact that USC has to play one more conference game than LSU or FSU + Notre Dame every year makes their CFP path more difficult than the pure strength of conference might make it seem.

[michigancat]

Not to mention the very real East Coast bias that's a product of their multiple 10pm kickoffs every season

[MakeItRain]

I think the fact that USC has to play one more conference game than LSU or FSU + Notre Dame every year makes their CFP path more difficult than the pure strength of conference might make it seem.

In that conference? No. The ninth conference game in that conference is booty, especially in that division. Besides the SEC will probably go to 9 conference games when they expand.

Not to mention the very real East Coast bias that's a product of their multiple 10pm kickoffs every season

Not for USC, they are the Spider-Man meme with Texas when it comes to overinflated poll rankings.
https://buckeyescoop.com/the-10-most-overrated-college-football-programs/?amp=1

[EMAWzifried]

The bottomless NIH opportunities LA offers probably sets USC apart.

[michigancat]

The bottomless NIH opportunities LA offers probably sets USC apart.

Compared to LSU? Nah

[MakeItRain]

The bottomless NIH opportunities LA offers probably sets USC apart.

Compared to LSU? Nah

I'm gonna guess for a big time athlete being in LA would provide more opportunities than being in Baton Rouge. For run of the mill college football players, yeah, Baton Rouge is better. If Matt Leinart played today, he'd get national ad campaigns and television show appearances, he's getting none of that at LSU. Joe Burrow would have gotten more NIL money at LSU.

Watch how much attention Jaxson Dart gets this off season and then the next. If USC is good next year Dart will be the most popular college football player since Manziel.

[DaBigTrain]

https://twitter.com/petethamel/status/1465055977896566791

[wetwillie]

Trying to steal Matt Campbells girl

[MakeItRain]

Bro wasn't lying when he said he wouldn't be LSU's Head Coach. Very specific.

[nicname]

Bro wasn't lying when he said he wouldn't be LSU's Head Coach. Very specific.

Taking the path of least resistance. A true competitor.


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[MakeItRain]

I guess we have the answer to which is the better job. You have to think that OU's move to the SEC hurt them in keeping Lincoln. That's a real shame.

[outofstate]

Riley to USC announced as official

[Houstoncat93]

I guess we have the answer to which is the better job. You have to think that OU's move to the SEC hurt them in keeping Lincoln. That's a real shame.

Poor, poor Oklahoma. No playoffs, no conference title game, No coach

 

[muqluk]

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/usc-to-hire-lincoln-riley-from-oklahoma-making-major-splash-in-college-football-coaching-carousel/

[Kat Kid]

This is fun

[star seed 7]

I just wanted to say eff ou, that's all