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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: meow meow on December 06, 2017, 04:59:22 PM
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Klein? lol
Sean? lol
then who???
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Whoever stoops wants
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Come home, Ron
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If Bill is coaching next year, Klein is probably the best we can get.
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probably a stretch, but i'd love to see what Lincoln Riley could do with Skyler the next 3 years.
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i was thinking about this earlier this week.
an interesting name is Darrell Dickey, current OC for Memphis. No way in hell it happens, but an interesting name nonetheless!
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Michael smith.
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Sounds made up.
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Whoever TF can be more goddamn creative with the play calling and make better adjustments to have us win games.
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Morgan Turner
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Kevin Sumlin
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Mangino
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Klein
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If it’s someone on staff, Coleman
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Not that it matters, but does anyone remember if Dana and/or Del came back right away under Bill? Pretty sure we hired Andy Ludwig as our OC in Bill's first year but he took another job before the season started. Were D&D supposed to be on staff in different roles that year?
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Not going to be many lining up for the job due to lack of job security. They must assume when Snyder goes, they will be without a gig (unless Snyder hires a HCIW, which he probably won't).
So who is left? Those desperate for a gig (recently fired and needing a transition job, or a young coach hoping it will be a chance to elevate their status - but even for the young ones there is a ton of risk involved if they only get a year to do their things - especially if they fear Snyder is playing the system and will step down in July or August, and force Sean into the spot and creating added chaos in the job that will further undermine their chances for success).
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Venebles. Not sure we could trust him to be a head coach until he has coordinated an offense too.
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Not going to be many lining up for the job due to lack of job security. They must assume when Snyder goes, they will be without a gig (unless Snyder hires a HCIW, which he probably won't).
So who is left? Those desperate for a gig (recently fired and needing a transition job, or a young coach hoping it will be a chance to elevate their status - but even for the young ones there is a ton of risk involved if they only get a year to do their things - especially if they fear Snyder is playing the system and will step down in July or August, and force Sean into the spot and creating added chaos in the job that will further undermine their chances for success).
Agree with this sentiment but one would have to assume that Sean is making 85+% of the hire in anticipation Bill pulls a Bo Ryan/Bob Stoops.
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lane kiffin hciw
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In all seriousness Jim McElwain would be a really good choice.
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In all seriousness Jim McElwain would be a really good choice.
Would take
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In all seriousness Jim McElwain would be a really good choice.
Man, I wish.
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Michael smith.
HELL. NO.
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Bring in Seth LittreLL at HCIW and he’ll bring Graham Harrell and that hot O for Sky guy.
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lane kiffin hciw
Our fans don’t deserve him, steve dave
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LHC Bill Snyder will assume the oc duties for the 2018 season.
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Jake from state farm
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lane kiffin hciw
Our fans don’t deserve him, steve dave
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You may not OK cat but I know a ton of deserving fans.
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The answer is clearly Del Miller.
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The part that pisses me off the most, is the #1 thing to look for right now would be how the OC will utilize Sky over the next 3 years.. and this will be completely ignored by hiring a guy with zero OC experience from within the program, to continue the current system.
I really really want to be proven wrong.
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Since returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.html
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The part that pisses me off the most, is the #1 thing to look for right now would be how the OC will utilize Sky over the next 3 years.. and this will be completely ignored by hiring a guy with zero OC experience from within the program, to continue the current system.
I really really want to be proven wrong.
Whoever comes will run the LHC Bill Snyder offense. Other guys can call the plays, but it is still Snyder's (heavy) playbook. And that's a good thing. Jake Waters and Chad May might be the blueprint for how we use Thompson (assuming he beats out Delton, which is not a given).
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it's already been proven Jake ran the ball a lot, and Chad May was over 20 years ago, this isn't the same offense, gmafb
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The part that pisses me off the most, is the #1 thing to look for right now would be how the OC will utilize Sky over the next 3 years.. and this will be completely ignored by hiring a guy with zero OC experience from within the program, to continue the current system.
I really really want to be proven wrong.
Whoever comes will run the LHC Bill Snyder offense. Other guys can call the plays, but it is still Snyder's (heavy) playbook. And that's a good thing. Jake Waters and Chad May might be the blueprint for how we use Thompson (assuming he beats out Delton, which is not a given).
Jesus Christ. Waters shoulder was mumped half way through the season because he ran it like 2 times less a game than the battering ram Hubes/last season Jesse offense.
And "whoever comes will run the LHC Bill Snyder offense." LOL. You think someone like Dan Enos or Graham Harroll would just drop their system for Bill's? No, whoever takes over from within the program with no experience will run Bill's system cause that's all they know, yes. (Not sure how that's a good thing)
Also, Delton might be completely done with football. Will re-evaluate in the spring.
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CK will be the OC. He probably knows Bill's offense better than Dimel did. At the end of the day, Bill believes in running the correct play against a given defense. CK knows this well and i'm sure Bill thinks he has more than enough ability to be the OC. I wouldn't be surprised if Jake Waters ended up back at KSU other than if he wants to live in Ames, which would be understandable.
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i was thinking about this earlier this week.
an interesting name is Darrell Dickey, current OC for Memphis. No way in hell it happens, but an interesting name nonetheless!
the double D offense
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In Kleins defense, he was the only QB in Snyder 2.0 to be allowed to call his own plays.
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No he didn’t
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The part that pisses me off the most, is the #1 thing to look for right now would be how the OC will utilize Sky over the next 3 years.. and this will be completely ignored by hiring a guy with zero OC experience from within the program, to continue the current system.
I really really want to be proven wrong.
Whoever comes will run the LHC LHC Bill Snyder offense. Other guys can call the plays, but it is still Snyder's (heavy) playbook. And that's a good thing. Jake Waters and Chad May might be the blueprint for how we use Thompson (assuming he beats out Delton, which is not a given).
Jesus Christ. Waters shoulder was mumped half way through the season because he ran it like 2 times less a game than the battering ram Hubes/last season Jesse offense.
And "whoever comes will run the LHC LHC Bill Snyder offense." LOL. You think someone like Dan Enos or Graham Harroll would just drop their system for Bill's? No, whoever takes over from within the program with no experience will run Bill's system cause that's all they know, yes. (Not sure how that's a good thing)
Also, Delton might be completely done with football. Will re-evaluate in the spring.
So much to respond to in your post, but I'll just say this: LHC Bill Snyder is known as an offensive genius. Because he is one. His offense works. No need to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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Since returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.html
He's also never hired a minority coordinator
:buh-bye:
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sky will last exactly 1 conference game if he runs klein's offense. we need to be recruiting another qb. i love sky, but t's and p's to his shoulder/knees.
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I'll just say this: LHC Bill Snyder is known as an offensive genius. Because he is one. His offense works. No need to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
His 2.0 offense works with a non-human industrial strength machine like CK.
That is not Skylar for the next 3 seasons.
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I hope it's not Klein because I really really don't want to hate him.
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I'll just say this: LHC LHC Bill Snyder is known as an offensive genius. Because he is one. His offense works. No need to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
His 2.0 offense works with a non-human industrial strength machine like CK.
That is not Skylar for the next 3 seasons.
The Snyder offense is not limited to the style that has been predominant in the last few years. The Snyder offense also included Chad May slinging it around. The plays that Dimel/Miller called tended to emphasize one part of the offense. With both gone, I suspect we will see more of the offense that May, Beasley, Meier, and Coffman ran. Still some QB run, but not like we have seen in the past 4/5 years.
Snyder himself, after the ISU game, expressed frustration that we didn't pass the ball more with Thompson.
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I don't think Dimel was great this year. But there is no denying the success we have had on offense in Snyder 2.0. Especially when you consider offense as including the ability to avoid turnovers.
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tellin' you guys. darrell dickey. i
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I don't think Dimel was great this year. But there is no denying the success we have had on offense in Snyder 2.0. Especially when you consider offense as including the ability to avoid turnovers.
I think you might be undervaluing the Del Miller part of the equation
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I don't think Dimel was great this year. But there is no denying the success we have had on offense in Snyder 2.0. Especially when you consider offense as including the ability to avoid turnovers.
I think you might be undervaluing the Del Miller part of the equation
Dimel put together some great offenses for us in 2.0, but he also dropped the ball a few times -- particularly this year when we were loaded.
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WWBVD?
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We averaged 33 PPG the last 8 years. Hard to gripe about that.
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Offense was fine when we had healthy qbs.
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Dimel fell in love with qb power because it does work. Except it also sketti’s qb’s.
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@ksu_FAN1 can we get a fact check on this?
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/938867440519348229
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I don't think Dimel was great this year. But there is no denying the success we have had on offense in Snyder 2.0. Especially when you consider offense as including the ability to avoid turnovers.
I think you might be undervaluing the Del Miller part of the equation
I'm not overlooking it...I'm in total agreement. We weren't quite as sharp this year, and it probably fair to assume that Miller's absence was at least a part of that.
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@ksu_FAN1 can we get a fact check on this?
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/938867440519348229
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/8a4a99d3bd67ba8d9a025c36edf4a624/tenor.gif?itemid=6220235)
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We had the 42nd most efficient offense in college football; just behind Colorado State (hi Mike!) and ahead of Ole Miss.
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I want a Ron Hudson clone.
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Bielma, BV, and Levitt all splitting DC... no idea about OC.
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Since returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.html
He's also never hired a minority coordinator
:buh-bye:
While this is factually correct the implication isn't fair at all.
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Since returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.html
He's also never hired a minority coordinator
:buh-bye:
While this is factually correct the implication isn't fair at all.
It's more of a criticism of college football culture in general than Bill. I mean are there any minority coordinators in the Big 12? (I don't feel like googling the ones I haven't heard of)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_coaches
I think Bill is at least partially responsible for this culture and deserves some of whatever my implication is. All college head coaches do.
Side note, I just learned former Prince assistant Warren Ruggerio is the offensive coordinator at Wake Forest. Cradle of Coaches.
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I want a Ron Hudson clone.
yes
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Since returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.html
He's also never hired a minority coordinator
:buh-bye:
While this is factually correct the implication isn't fair at all.
It's more of a criticism of college football culture in general than Bill. I mean are there any minority coordinators in the Big 12? (I don't feel like googling the ones I haven't heard of)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_coaches
I think Bill is at least partially responsible for this culture and deserves some of whatever my implication is. All college head coaches do.
Side note, I just learned former Prince assistant Warren Ruggerio is the offensive coordinator at Wake Forest. Cradle of Coaches.
If we're acknowledging that he only promotes from within there really hasn't been an opportunity for him to do so. He does now so we'll see.
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Maybe Dimel meant he had the most efficient FIRST HALF offense in America?
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Since returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.html
He's also never hired a minority coordinator
:buh-bye:
While this is factually correct the implication isn't fair at all.
It's more of a criticism of college football culture in general than Bill. I mean are there any minority coordinators in the Big 12? (I don't feel like googling the ones I haven't heard of)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_coaches
I think Bill is at least partially responsible for this culture and deserves some of whatever my implication is. All college head coaches do.
Side note, I just learned former Prince assistant Warren Ruggerio is the offensive coordinator at Wake Forest. Cradle of Coaches.
If we're acknowledging that he only promotes from within there really hasn't been an opportunity for him to do so. He does now so we'll see.
there hasn't really been an opportunity to hire a minority coordinator from within before now? I'm not sure what you're saying here.
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https://twitter.com/CoachMichaelSmi/status/938954431911079937
Coleman move to OC and Smith to WR?
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https://twitter.com/CoachMichaelSmi/status/938954431911079937
Coleman move to OC and Smith to WR?
Jesus why do people not realize that coordinators still have positional responsibilities.
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https://twitter.com/CoachMichaelSmi/status/938954431911079937
Coleman move to OC and Smith to WR?
Jesus why do people not realize that coordinators still have positional responsibilities.
Smith is a good recruiter. The interwebs say this is important.
That isn’t my point. Why would you move Coleman off of WRs for Smith while Coleman has built a relationship with this entire WR core just because he’d hypothetically get moved to OC. Why wouldn’t Smith just come in and coach RBs or TEs?
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Holy moly chill out! I'm just throwing crap against the wall.
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Since returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.html
He's also never hired a minority coordinator
:buh-bye:
While this is factually correct the implication isn't fair at all.
It's more of a criticism of college football culture in general than Bill. I mean are there any minority coordinators in the Big 12? (I don't feel like googling the ones I haven't heard of)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_coaches
I think Bill is at least partially responsible for this culture and deserves some of whatever my implication is. All college head coaches do.
Side note, I just learned former Prince assistant Warren Ruggerio is the offensive coordinator at Wake Forest. Cradle of Coaches.
If we're acknowledging that he only promotes from within there really hasn't been an opportunity for him to do so. He does now so we'll see.
there hasn't really been an opportunity to hire a minority coordinator from within before now? I'm not sure what you're saying here.
What's so hard to figure out? The minority position coaches we've had have been significantly younger and inexperienced in compared to who has held those positions. It's not like we've had musical chairs at the coordinator positions. The only internal minority candidate, before now, who has hung around for an extended period was Michael Smith and he was not coordinator material when he was here.
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Since returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.html
He's also never hired a minority coordinator
:buh-bye:
While this is factually correct the implication isn't fair at all.
It's more of a criticism of college football culture in general than Bill. I mean are there any minority coordinators in the Big 12? (I don't feel like googling the ones I haven't heard of)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_coaches
I think Bill is at least partially responsible for this culture and deserves some of whatever my implication is. All college head coaches do.
Side note, I just learned former Prince assistant Warren Ruggerio is the offensive coordinator at Wake Forest. Cradle of Coaches.
If we're acknowledging that he only promotes from within there really hasn't been an opportunity for him to do so. He does now so we'll see.
there hasn't really been an opportunity to hire a minority coordinator from within before now? I'm not sure what you're saying here.
What's so hard to figure out? The minority position coaches we've had have been significantly younger and inexperienced in compared to who has held those positions. It's not like we've had musical chairs at the coordinator positions. The only internal minority candidate, before now, who has hung around for an extended period was Michael Smith and he was not coordinator material when he was here.
Ok, just making sure that's what you were getting at.
So yeah I definitely realize that Snyder never having minority position coaches qualified to become coordinators is a big part of why he's never hired a minority coordinator. I also think it's fair to criticize him (and most college head coaches) for not hiring and/or developing more minority position coaches to be ready for coordinator positions.
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https://twitter.com/CoachMichaelSmi/status/938954431911079937
Coleman move to OC and Smith to WR?
Jesus why do people not realize that coordinators still have positional responsibilities.
Smith is a good recruiter. The interwebs say this is important.
That isn’t my point. Why would you move Coleman off of WRs for Smith while Coleman has built a relationship with this entire WR core just because he’d hypothetically get moved to OC. Why wouldn’t Smith just come in and coach RBs or TEs?
Our WRs dropped an absolute fuckload of passes this year? :dunno:
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Since returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.html
He's also never hired a minority coordinator
:buh-bye:
While this is factually correct the implication isn't fair at all.
It's more of a criticism of college football culture in general than Bill. I mean are there any minority coordinators in the Big 12? (I don't feel like googling the ones I haven't heard of)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_coaches
I think Bill is at least partially responsible for this culture and deserves some of whatever my implication is. All college head coaches do.
Side note, I just learned former Prince assistant Warren Ruggerio is the offensive coordinator at Wake Forest. Cradle of Coaches.
If we're acknowledging that he only promotes from within there really hasn't been an opportunity for him to do so. He does now so we'll see.
there hasn't really been an opportunity to hire a minority coordinator from within before now? I'm not sure what you're saying here.
What's so hard to figure out? The minority position coaches we've had have been significantly younger and inexperienced in compared to who has held those positions. It's not like we've had musical chairs at the coordinator positions. The only internal minority candidate, before now, who has hung around for an extended period was Michael Smith and he was not coordinator material when he was here.
Ok, just making sure that's what you were getting at.
So yeah I definitely realize that Snyder never having minority position coaches qualified to become coordinators is a big part of why he's never hired a minority coordinator. I also think it's fair to criticize him (and most college head coaches) for not hiring and/or developing more minority position coaches to be ready for coordinator positions.
I agree with this
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Since returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.html
He's also never hired a minority coordinator
:buh-bye:
While this is factually correct the implication isn't fair at all.
It's more of a criticism of college football culture in general than Bill. I mean are there any minority coordinators in the Big 12? (I don't feel like googling the ones I haven't heard of)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_coaches
I think Bill is at least partially responsible for this culture and deserves some of whatever my implication is. All college head coaches do.
Side note, I just learned former Prince assistant Warren Ruggerio is the offensive coordinator at Wake Forest. Cradle of Coaches.
If we're acknowledging that he only promotes from within there really hasn't been an opportunity for him to do so. He does now so we'll see.
there hasn't really been an opportunity to hire a minority coordinator from within before now? I'm not sure what you're saying here.
What's so hard to figure out? The minority position coaches we've had have been significantly younger and inexperienced in compared to who has held those positions. It's not like we've had musical chairs at the coordinator positions. The only internal minority candidate, before now, who has hung around for an extended period was Michael Smith and he was not coordinator material when he was here.
Ok, just making sure that's what you were getting at.
So yeah I definitely realize that Snyder never having minority position coaches qualified to become coordinators is a big part of why he's never hired a minority coordinator. I also think it's fair to criticize him (and most college head coaches) for not hiring and/or developing more minority position coaches to be ready for coordinator positions.
I agree with this
Mo Latimore has almost been here longer than Snyder.
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the fact that nobody has brought up norm chow in minority coaching discussions is racist.
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https://twitter.com/CoachMichaelSmi/status/938954431911079937
Coleman move to OC and Smith to WR?
When I was a student at The Kansas State University, I was blessed to get a haircut in the chair next to Michael Smith at Campus Barber Shop. After Roger got done, he handed him a $20 (this was a long time ago), said thank you and walked out. His generosity has been an inspiration to me.
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https://twitter.com/CoachMichaelSmi/status/938954431911079937
Coleman move to OC and Smith to WR?
Jesus why do people not realize that coordinators still have positional responsibilities.
Smith is a good recruiter. The interwebs say this is important.
That isn’t my point. Why would you move Coleman off of WRs for Smith while Coleman has built a relationship with this entire WR core just because he’d hypothetically get moved to OC. Why wouldn’t Smith just come in and coach RBs or TEs?
Our WRs dropped an absolute fuckload of passes this year? :dunno:
then why the eff would you reward him with giving him the OC title if you want to replace him?
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https://twitter.com/CoachMichaelSmi/status/938954431911079937
Coleman move to OC and Smith to WR?
Jesus why do people not realize that coordinators still have positional responsibilities.
Smith is a good recruiter. The interwebs say this is important.
That isn’t my point. Why would you move Coleman off of WRs for Smith while Coleman has built a relationship with this entire WR core just because he’d hypothetically get moved to OC. Why wouldn’t Smith just come in and coach RBs or TEs?
Our WRs dropped an absolute fuckload of passes this year? :dunno:
Lol, you don't have to actually coach them to be good WR's, just have a good relationship with them.
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I always had the perception that Michael Smith was dead weight on the recruiting side.
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I always had the perception that Michael Smith was dead weight on the recruiting side.
This was the narrative during the end of Snyder 1.0
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When I was a student at The Kansas State University, I was blessed to get a haircut in the chair next to Michael Smith at Campus Barber Shop. After Roger got done, he handed him a $20 (this was a long time ago), said thank you and walked out. His generosity has been an inspiration to me.
[youtube] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XBCdIwgp1L8[/youtube]
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Also I'm completely resigned to Klein calling plays next year in the booth with Coleman directing on the sidelines as he does.
Seiler as DC. Britz, and who knows who else.
Maybe bring on Eric Gallon to coach rb's.
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the fact that nobody has brought up norm chow in minority coaching discussions is racist.
I see you, stunted, but the homie Norm was a head coach, but as like damn near everything else in this country our Asian brothers and sisters are underrepresented.
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Since returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.html
He's also never hired a minority coordinator
:buh-bye:
While this is factually correct the implication isn't fair at all.
It's more of a criticism of college football culture in general than Bill. I mean are there any minority coordinators in the Big 12? (I don't feel like googling the ones I haven't heard of)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_coaches
I think Bill is at least partially responsible for this culture and deserves some of whatever my implication is. All college head coaches do.
Side note, I just learned former Prince assistant Warren Ruggerio is the offensive coordinator at Wake Forest. Cradle of Coaches.
If we're acknowledging that he only promotes from within there really hasn't been an opportunity for him to do so. He does now so we'll see.
there hasn't really been an opportunity to hire a minority coordinator from within before now? I'm not sure what you're saying here.
What's so hard to figure out? The minority position coaches we've had have been significantly younger and inexperienced in compared to who has held those positions. It's not like we've had musical chairs at the coordinator positions. The only internal minority candidate, before now, who has hung around for an extended period was Michael Smith and he was not coordinator material when he was here.
Ok, just making sure that's what you were getting at.
So yeah I definitely realize that Snyder never having minority position coaches qualified to become coordinators is a big part of why he's never hired a minority coordinator. I also think it's fair to criticize him (and most college head coaches) for not hiring and/or developing more minority position coaches to be ready for coordinator positions.
I agree with this
Mo Latimore has almost been here longer than Snyder.
Mo Latimore is also a huge dick.
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I always had the perception that Michael Smith was dead weight on the recruiting side.
This was the narrative during the end of Snyder 1.0
Heard this as well. It was pretty bad, from what I heard.
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Go save that Meachum guy in Lawrence from career suicide
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the fact that nobody has brought up norm chow in minority coaching discussions is racist.
I see you, stunted, but the homie Norm was a head coach, but as like damn near everything else in this country our Asian brothers and sisters are underrepresented.
Don't forget the Tribe! Almost zero representation in sports leadership outside of basketball.
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Bet Riley kissed a girl before he got married, tho
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i hope ck and his lovely wife provide us with 11 future wildcat studs
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I guess he can will us with the #16goals to wins
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Klein is definitely not ready but honestly idgaf as long as Snyder is here.
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Klein is definitely not ready but honestly idgaf as long as Snyder is here.
How can you possibly know that?
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Tom Herman became a FBS OC his fifth year as an assistant coach.
Six years for Matt Campbell
Five years for Lincoln Riley
Six for Scott Frost
Four for Josh Heupel
Three for Willie Taggart
Three for Kliff
Next season will be season five for Klein
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Go save that Meachum guy in Lawrence from career suicide
This is my vote.
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Tom Herman became a FBS OC his fifth year as an assistant coach.
Six years for Matt Campbell
Five years for Lincoln Riley
Six for Scott Frost
Four for Josh Heupel
Three for Willie Taggart
Three for Kliff
Next season will be season five for Klein
Well when you put it like that...
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I see you, stunted, but the homie Norm was a head coach, but as like damn near everything else in this country our Asian brothers and sisters are underrepresented.
getting better. kpop!
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I like to think of Klein as K-state’s version of Cumbie, Kliff, and Riley but instead of an air raid he is the slow and deliberate KSU Slothfense
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When I was a student at The Kansas State University, I was blessed to get a haircut in the chair next to Michael Smith at Campus Barber Shop. After Roger got done, he handed him a $20 (this was a long time ago), said thank you and walked out. His generosity has been an inspiration to me.
[youtube] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XBCdIwgp1L8[/youtube]
HELLHAMMER, you know that Paycheck had a very small dick. He's prison nickname was peewee.
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I would hope to think Klein would know how to run the offense with Thompson at QB, but what do I know?
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I would hope to think Klein would know how to run the offense with Thompson at QB, but what do I know?
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I would hope CK remembers the pain he went thru with the battering ram offense. Maybe have Thompson run less and pass more. Also, have him slide or run of out bounds at the end of his runs.
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Heard we may reach out to Mangino.
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Skyler is very Reesing-like in his mobility creativity.
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I don't know, but a Mangino offense seems like it would be fun.
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Skyler is very Reesing-like in his mobility creativity.
please never ever compare those two again
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Thought Mack Brown was being hired according to another thread, if so end this bad boi
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Oh Gregory...
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Skyler is very Reesing-like in his mobility creativity.
Crap! Thompson has herpes?
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Bring on the bag-wine!
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Reesing was awesome for a year, then not so much. I am merely comparing Sky to the awesome part.
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When I was a student at The Kansas State University, I was blessed to get a haircut in the chair next to Michael Smith at Campus Barber Shop. After Roger got done, he handed him a $20 (this was a long time ago), said thank you and walked out. His generosity has been an inspiration to me.
[youtube] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XBCdIwgp1L8[/youtube]
HELLHAMMER, you know that Paycheck had a very small dick. He's prison nickname was peewee.
Gonna have to take your word on that since I haven't been to prison or gazed at Paycheck's crank like you obviously have Katdaddy.
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Oh Gregory...
I was bbsing... Oh 8man...
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I don't know, but a Mangino offense seems like it would be fun.
Would take. Might be the best we can get (realistically) in the short term. Long term, the cheeseburgers could kill him, the terrible grotesque body optics of him in purple (I see the Grape Kool Aid man or Grimace) could get really bad. Bill's eventual retirement probably means he leaves then anyways. I suppose Mark may need a short term stop to prove himself again before moving on and dominating at some middling school in the AAC.
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You Mangino people need to revisit his time in Ames.
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yeah, Mangino would only be good for pissing off ku fans. hard pass on him
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You Mangino people need to revisit his time in Ames.
What exactly happened there?
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He had terrible offenses and was fired by proud Paul.
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He had terrible offenses and was fired by proud Paul.
He we fired not because of his shitty offenses, they were terrible with decent talent, but because of insubordination
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Reesing was awesome for a year, then not so much. I am merely comparing Sky to the awesome part.
Just stop Pete or I'm going to buy you a moped for Christmas
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Reesing was a very good college QB. Not un-manziel-like in his attributes.
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He had terrible offenses and was fired by proud Paul.
He we fired not because of his shitty offenses, they were terrible with decent talent, but because of insubordination
This is what would probably be another big impediment to his long term stability at KSU. We're riding another Snyder year right, the non Sean variety? Why not try it?
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said it before and i'll say it again. it should be darrell dickey.
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He had terrible offenses and was fired by proud Paul.
He we fired not because of his shitty offenses, they were terrible with decent talent, but because of insubordination
This is what would probably be another big impediment to his long term stability at KSU. We're riding another Snyder year right, the non Sean variety? Why not try it?
At KSU? Most bosses have a distaste for insubordination, it's why he hasn't and likely won't work again.
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whoever said ron hudson was spot on
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said it before and i'll say it again. it should be darrell dickey.
Interesting to see what he does with A&M’s offense.
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said it before and i'll say it again. it should be darrell dickey.
Interesting to see what he does with A&M’s offense.
dang. I didn't know he was hired.
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whoever said ron hudson was spot on
And he's old AF too. Maybe he wants another year under the Snyder grindstone. Prob has a grandkid or two to put thru college.
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Give Stan Weber a call.
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and Stanton takes his rightful place in the booth, obviously
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Interesting read!
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21862192/oklahoma-state-cowboys-mike-gundy-offensive-coordinator-internet
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Interesting read!
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21862192/oklahoma-state-cowboys-mike-gundy-offensive-coordinator-internet
I know he used to do Twitter, but does LHC Bill Snyder use the Internet?
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Interesting read!
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21862192/oklahoma-state-cowboys-mike-gundy-offensive-coordinator-internet
That's really cool.
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Mike Belotti didn't go down to D2, but he found Chip Kelly by looking at FCS stats & calling the OC of the best statistical offense.
I also always liked that Stoops got the Florida DC job because Nebraska scored 62 on Florida in the 95 Fiesta Bowl & Spurrier figured he'd have to play them again in 96, so he just decided to hire the DC that he thought did the best job against the 95 Huskers from watching tape prepping for the Fiesta Bowl.
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I also always liked that Stoops got the Florida DC job because Nebraska scored 62 on Florida in the 95 Fiesta Bowl & Spurrier figured he'd have to play them again in 96, so he just decided to hire the DC that he thought did the best job against the 95 Huskers from watching tape prepping for the Fiesta Bowl.
Also helped that stoops was the hottest name among assistant coaches at the time. That hire was not a stretch at all for spurrier.
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Interesting read!
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21862192/oklahoma-state-cowboys-mike-gundy-offensive-coordinator-internet
I know he used to do Twitter, but does LHC Bill Snyder use the Internet?
Snyder once "liked" one of my tweets about Ron Prince
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Interesting read!
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21862192/oklahoma-state-cowboys-mike-gundy-offensive-coordinator-internet
I know he used to do Twitter, but does LHC Bill Snyder use the Internet?
Snyder once "liked" one of my tweets about Ron Prince
what was the tweet?
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said it before and i'll say it again. it should be darrell dickey.
Interesting to see what he does with A&M’s offense.
dang. I didn't know he was hired.
Why, we were bad: Dickey was the starting quarterback at Kansas State for four seasons from 1979 to 1982. In 1979, he established the school record for passing yards by a freshman with 915
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Ricky Rahne HCIW
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:runaway:
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said it before and i'll say it again. it should be darrell dickey.
Interesting to see what he does with A&M’s offense.
dang. I didn't know he was hired.
Why, we were bad: Dickey was the starting quarterback at Kansas State for four seasons from 1979 to 1982. In 1979, he established the school record for passing yards by a freshman with 915
Did DRD coach in the Liberty Bowl today or has he already headed to College Station?
Tom
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Ricky Rahne HCIW
For Penn State
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Ricky Rahne HCIW
would take
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Mangino
Would take. (earmuffs Delton) But, would prefer a hard core air raid Leach disciple and just say eff it and double down with Sky.
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mangino sucks at coaching (but is great at life)
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Mangino
Would take. (earmuffs Delton) But, would prefer a hard core air raid Leach disciple and just say eff it and double down with Sky.
He didn't run an air raid or anything close to it at KU or ISU, the qb running the ball was fairly important, but it's whatever.
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Mangino
Would take. (earmuffs Delton) But, would prefer a hard core air raid Leach disciple and just say eff it and double down with Sky.
He didn't run an air raid or anything close to it at KU or ISU, the qb running the ball was fairly important, but it's whatever.
Only time Mangino was on a staff that threw it a bunch was in his short time with Leach at Oklahoma. When the Pirate left for TT, OU became more and more conventional offense. Most all of his KU QB's were borderline battering rams and at ISU it was survival mode. No idea what they did at Youngstown.
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I would like Collin Klein as my OC. Perhaps his name has already been mentioned. And Brent Venables is a name I've heard tossed around as a potentially good head coach for the KSU Fighting Purple Cats, should Lord Bill ever retire.
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serious question, is there any evidence that Klein can recruit worth a crap?
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He helped recruit Waters. He was going to Penn State until CK called him.
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Klein has what, 2 or 3 years of coaching experience? Sure, put him in charge of a P5 offense.
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Him getting skettibrained playing make me worried. Just short term sketti'd?
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CK's day as an offensive coordinator is coming. Just not sure it's here yet.
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Of course, today is Sunday. Tuesday is still a day away...
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He's also in a weird environment for recruiting. Selling high probability of significant coaching turnovers in 4 years.
Would think a intelligent, personable, heisman finalists could do a good job.
Andre Coleman somehow sells the crap out of significant coaching turnover
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Klein has what, 2 or 3 years of coaching experience? Sure, put him in charge of a P5 offense.
We love shitting on our own as much as Iowa State fans love blowing themselves. This was from three whole pages ago.
Tom Herman became a FBS OC his fifth year as an assistant coach.
Six years for Matt Campbell
Five years for Lincoln Riley
Six for Scott Frost
Four for Josh Heupel
Three for Willie Taggart
Three for Kliff
Next season will be season five for Klein
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Klein has what, 2 or 3 years of coaching experience? Sure, put him in charge of a P5 offense.
We love shitting on our own as much as Iowa State fans love blowing themselves. This was from three whole pages ago.
Tom Herman became a FBS OC his fifth year as an assistant coach. not P5
Six years for Matt Campbell not P5
Five years for Lincoln Riley not P5
Six for Scott Frost had experience as co-DC at UNI before Oregon
Four Six for Josh Heupel
Three TWELVE (!) for Willie Taggart before co-OC at WKU. how could you be so far off?
Three for Kliff
Next season will be season five three for Klein
Don't count G.A. years. It's rough ridin' grad school. Klein just got done with his second year as an assistant coach. If we're going to promote from within, you don't think there isn't someone else on staff who is more deserving?
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Dickey (current run game coordinator) and Coleman (current pass game coordinator) as Co-OCs.
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Klein has what, 2 or 3 years of coaching experience? Sure, put him in charge of a P5 offense.
We love shitting on our own as much as Iowa State fans love blowing themselves. This was from three whole pages ago.
Tom Herman became a FBS OC his fifth year as an assistant coach. not P5
Six years for Matt Campbell not P5
Five years for Lincoln Riley not P5
Six for Scott Frost had experience as co-DC at UNI before Oregon
Four Six for Josh Heupel
Three TWELVE (!) for Willie Taggart before co-OC at WKU. how could you be so far off?
Three for Kliff
Next season will be season five three for Klein
Don't count G.A. years. It's rough ridin' grad school. Klein just got done with his second year as an assistant coach. If we're going to promote from within, you don't think there isn't someone else on staff who is more deserving?
Why would I discount their GA seasons? You know something about their responsibilities that I don't? You act like GAs are student managers or something.
I wasn't off on Taggart, I have no idea what you're reading, but he was the quarterbacks coach and co-OC in 2001.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Taggart&ved=0ahUKEwiBxrakjbbYAhUhUd8KHSKJAQIQFgiAAjAw&usg=AOvVaw1mEmP_hrGsC-xcM80yLj-q
Also who give two shits about the P5 non P5 distinction? The point is those guys were clearly right for the job. Just because Lincoln Riley was at ECU do you really think he would have been overwhelmed at Wake Forest?
I have no idea if Charlie Dickey or Andre Coleman are more qualified, none of us do. I would hope LHC Bill Snyder can evaluate whether Klein is capable without needing to hit some arbitrary number of years though.
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bill doesn’t have a great track record of putting the best coach for the job, into the job
source: the shitshow named dana dimel
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DC was stolen from right under Big Bar and Grill’s nose tho.
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Klein has what, 2 or 3 years of coaching experience? Sure, put him in charge of a P5 offense.
We love shitting on our own as much as Iowa State fans love blowing themselves. This was from three whole pages ago.
Tom Herman became a FBS OC his fifth year as an assistant coach. not P5
Six years for Matt Campbell not P5
Five years for Lincoln Riley not P5
Six for Scott Frost had experience as co-DC at UNI before Oregon
Four Six for Josh Heupel
Three TWELVE (!) for Willie Taggart before co-OC at WKU. how could you be so far off?
Three for Kliff
Next season will be season five three for Klein
Don't count G.A. years. It's rough ridin' grad school. Klein just got done with his second year as an assistant coach. If we're going to promote from within, you don't think there isn't someone else on staff who is more deserving?
I think the most important thing is that no one gives a eff and let's just make Klein OC and go full ham on this perra.
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I got no idea how we do it now, in the early to mid 90's when Bill was ultra micromanaging, he would call the run or pass, one coach was assigned run the other pass. The play was then sent to the relay guy, who then signaled the perfect play in. This was in Paul Watson, Chad May, Matt Miller days
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RichRod and Delton are a match made in heaven
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Well chuck I know you are like the son I never had but rich just has a way with the youngsters that I can't pass up
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Well chuck I know you are like the son I never had but rich just has a way with the youngsters that I can't pass up
Somewhere in hell; Jerry Sandusky is rofl.
He's not dead yet, dork.
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I got no idea how we do it now, in the early to mid 90's when Bill was ultra micromanaging, he would call the run or pass, one coach was assigned run the other pass. The play was then sent to the relay guy, who then signaled the perfect play in. This was in Paul Watson, Chad May, Matt Miller days
I say let it end like it began, we need some full circle moments to get Bill to see the light.
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black caddie in the o'coordinator's space. d'coordinator space empty.
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It's Coleman
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It's Coleman
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Don’t hate the idea of him being the sole OC
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Interesting if true
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I hope it is true! Coleman has been a great hire and killed it on the recruiting trail. The WRs had a bit of the case the drops this year, but overall have been solid and generally play a good all around game. Our return game has been excellent as well (I believe that Coleman coaches the returners).
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I’d bet money that there will be a co guy.
I bet he goes to the booth with ck
Hickson becomes the huddle guy.
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I thought I skimmed a week or so ago on KSO that it was Dickey and Coleman as co-oc's.
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I thought I skimmed a week or so ago on KSO that it was Dickey and Coleman as co-oc's.
Yes, KSO reported Dickey & Coleman
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And the recruit called Coleman his OC.
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Coleman probably passing game OC, Dickey running game maybe. Why haven't they announced this if they are just promoting someone?
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kinda busy with other stuff right now
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true, my bad
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Coleman probably passing game OC, Dickey running game maybe. Why haven't they announced this if they are just promoting someone?
Coleman: Passing game OC
Dickey: Run game OC
Klein: Play calling OC
Sean: 4th down play calling OC and STC
Bill gets everyone a raise with the OC label to ease the tension in Vanier. Just have to agree on contracts before it can be announced.
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How about a 3rd and long OC? We need one.
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How about a 3rd and long OC? We need one.
We still have Hickson and Hanson on the offensive staff, but they're new. Give it a year before Hanson slides into the Situational stand up TE play calling OC, and Hickson can be the 3rd and short play calling OC.
Sean can pull double duty and take the 3rd and long OC. He's creamed his pleads for years waiting to call a QB pooch punt on one.
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Every coach can be assigned a number and then before each play, they roll a die to see which one of them will coordinate the offense for that down.
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https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/956180618039218176
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/956180966866870272
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Time for Klein to show what he can do with sky.
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Three offensive coordinators. Awesome. :flush:
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Three offensive coordinators. Awesome. :flush:
My take: With the retirement of Bill looming this is the best way to a) keep the current system in place b) resume boost coaches that may need to be looking for a new job when a new coach is hired / if they hire sean can be kept on without as much skepticism (ie: Sean kept on Klein as OC seems like less of a jump if he was already co-coordinator) c) could be the last genius decision of one of college football's great coaches - it isn't that wild if the three people in question work well together, which it would seem they all do and would.
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I would guess one legitimate OC and 2 "promotions"
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Three offensive coordinators. Awesome. :flush:
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I think we're going to need a Coordinator of Coordinator Operations position.
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we're gonna need more timeouts
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I would guess one legitimate OC and 2 "promotions"
This is reality, its a way to give all three a raise
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:nono: Collin didn't call that play. He just ran it very poorly.
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This will be fun, in one way or another.
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:nono: Collin didn't call that play. He just ran it very poorly.
That play was awesome. I don't care what anyone says. I wish it would have worked. :love:
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:nono: Collin didn't call that play. He just ran it very poorly.
That play was awesome. I don't care what anyone says. I wish it would have worked. :love:
weird take
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Everyone started keying in on the Klein's Run/pop pass. That would have been a nice way to keep teams even more honest if it had panned out. I like the idea of it.
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I expect us to be more aggressive, which should be fun
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I expect us to be more aggressive, which should be fun
Yessir
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About the best possible scenario. I like it.
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I, for one, welcome King Ghidorah as K-State's new offensive coordinator.
Attention opposing defenses: Omae Wa Mou Shindeiru
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it doesn't make any sense. either Coleman is also a co-coordinator, or Klein/Dickey are assistants to the regional coordinator
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Sean can pull double duty and take the 3rd and long OC. He's creamed his pleads for years waiting to call a QB pooch punt on one.
I have to wonder who didn't pull the trigger on the Will Geary fake punt (with Geary taking the short snap as the punt protector). They ran it Will's freshman year in bowl practice and he took it to the house. Was it Sean afraid to take the risk, or Bill stepping in and playing it safe?
Just the thought of seeing big Will rumbling down the field with the ball made me a bit excited.
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Sean can pull double duty and take the 3rd and long OC. He's creamed his pleads for years waiting to call a QB pooch punt on one.
I have to wonder who didn't pull the trigger on the Will Geary fake punt (with Geary taking the short snap as the punt protector). They ran it Will's freshman year in bowl practice and he took it to the house. Was it Sean afraid to take the risk, or Bill stepping in and playing it safe?
Just the thought of seeing big Will rumbling down the field with the ball made me a bit excited.
Too bad he's a senior and graduating(ed)
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About the best possible scenario. I like it.
Totally agree. This is a good thing for the KSU cats. AND, I have my eye this Andre Coleman chap as a possible HC someday... :fatty:
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Fun fact about our new OC: he leaves his black caddy running when he drops off his daughter at preschool :gocho:
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Fun fact about our new OC: he leaves his black caddy running when he drops off his daughter at preschool :gocho:
which one
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Fun fact about our new OC: he leaves his black caddy running when he drops off his daughter at preschool :gocho:
which one
Ha, Andre of course. Do you think Collin drives a black Cadillac? Seems like more of a f 150 guy to me
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is this Bill's first minority coordinator? Better late than never!
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Mo?
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Excited for Coleman! He seems like he has really worked his butt off since showing up on campus. His recruiting efforts have really paid huge dividends for K-State and the WR's and returners have been mostly solid.
I hope he dominates as our new O-Coordinator. The offensive unit should be pretty solid.
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I started liking Coleman as an in-game decisionmaker when he pleaded for us to go for it on 4th and 1 against TCU in 2015. It was the right call, and he was the only one who got it right.
Seems like lots of chefs in the kitchen, but I like all three of these guys. Hopefully they work well together.
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Mo?
Was he ever a coordinator???
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:nono: Collin didn't call that play. He just ran it very poorly.
That play was awesome. I don't care what anyone says. I wish it would have worked. :love:
weird take
71 and 44 are making that tackle easily.
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:nono: Collin didn't call that play. He just ran it very poorly.
That play was awesome. I don't care what anyone says. I wish it would have worked. :love:
weird take
71 and 44 are making that tackle easily.
Nah, if it's a clean exchange (lol) Harper would've kept moving to his right and Hubert's block would've been the important one
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gawd I forgot about that hilarious play
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Mo?
Was he ever a coordinator???
D-Line coordinator?
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Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?
I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.
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Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?
I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.
The playcaller has to be in the box. Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines. I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection.
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Regardless, I hope we own the two quarterback system next year and play both Delton and Thompson. We are too good at the QB run game, and Delton is too damn good at it, to give up on that. Thompson can't run that (and live), and he is too good of a passer to be on the bench. Solution: Play both. Make teams prepare for both styles. Use that gigantic playbook to our advantage.
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line them both up in the shotgun at the same time
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Daisho formation:
One QB lines up at pistol (wakazashi)
One QB lines up at shotgun (katana)
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Base salaries for next year
Andre Coleman $440,000
Charlie Dickey $480,000
Collin Klein $300,000
Somewhat interesting to me that Coleman seems to be the main OC but is still getting paid less. I don't pay much attention to assistant coaches salaries so maybe this is normal for an experience gap like this.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article196890814.html
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Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?
I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.
The playcaller has to be in the box. Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines. I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection.
Uh what?
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Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?
I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.
My understanding is that Miller used to call 1st/2nd down and Dimel called 3rd down. This led to a lot of personnel confusion, wasted timeouts and delay of game penalties. It was Coleman who called out the ridiculousness of this system to Snyder and convinced him to change.
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Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?
I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.
The playcaller has to be in the box. Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines. I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection.
What in the world are you talking about? There are play callers on the sideline all over the place, on every level of football. The Big 12 champion has the head coach calling plays.
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Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?
I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.
The playcaller has to be in the box. Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines. I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection.
What in the world are you talking about? There are play callers on the sideline all over the place, on every level of football. The Big 12 champion has the head coach calling plays.
what he's trying to say is white people are better at numbers/critical thinking. I disagree, personally.
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weird take steffy
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Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?
I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.
The playcaller has to be in the box. Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines. I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection.
What in the world are you talking about? There are play callers on the sideline all over the place, on every level of football. The Big 12 champion has the head coach calling plays.
what he's trying to say is white people are better at numbers/critical thinking. I disagree, personally.
Only a rascist would read race into this post. Race card race card etc yawn.
Look at Coleman on sideline. Look at Klein when he used to be there. Coleman is animated, fired up, coaching, hands on. Klein is not. Now, which of those two would you rather stick up in the box? And which of those two would you want on the sideline. It’s about personality.
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Doubling down on that hot take feels like the right move
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Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?
I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.
The playcaller has to be in the box. Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines. I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection.
What in the world are you talking about? There are play callers on the sideline all over the place, on every level of football. The Big 12 champion has the head coach calling plays.
what he's trying to say is white people are better at numbers/critical thinking. I disagree, personally.
Only a rascist would read race into this post. Race card race card etc yawn.
Look at Coleman on sideline. Look at Klein when he used to be there. Coleman is animated, fired up, coaching, hands on. Klein is not. Now, which of those two would you rather stick up in the box? And which of those two would you want on the sideline. It’s about personality.
Do you seriously not understand that your opinion is completely based on your observation and nothing else? Additionally that observation, intentional or not, plays off of a stereotype about blacks being emotional and whites bring cerebral, you really don't see that?
And before you say anything about "race card" please know the first time you made this observation, I didn't address it in this manner, benefit of the doubt. The second time you made the point it becomes a little harder to ignore.
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Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?
I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.
The playcaller has to be in the box. Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines. I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection.
What in the world are you talking about? There are play callers on the sideline all over the place, on every level of football. The Big 12 champion has the head coach calling plays.
what he's trying to say is white people are better at numbers/critical thinking. I disagree, personally.
Only a rascist would read race into this post. Race card race card etc yawn.
Look at Coleman on sideline. Look at Klein when he used to be there. Coleman is animated, fired up, coaching, hands on. Klein is not. Now, which of those two would you rather stick up in the box? And which of those two would you want on the sideline. It’s about personality.
Do you seriously not understand that your opinion is completely based on your observation and nothing else? Additionally that observation, intentional or not, plays off of a stereotype about blacks being emotional and whites bring cerebral, you really don't see that?
And before you say anything about "race card" please know the first time you made this observation, I didn't address it in this manner, benefit of the doubt. The second time you made the point it becomes a little harder to ignore.
Dude...it's an internet message board. With few exceptions, every post on this board is based on the poster's opinion. You seem to have a boner for attacking others opinions. Your counter-posts are no more based in fact than any of the other crap posted here.
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Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?
I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.
The playcaller has to be in the box. Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines. I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection.
What in the world are you talking about? There are play callers on the sideline all over the place, on every level of football. The Big 12 champion has the head coach calling plays.
what he's trying to say is white people are better at numbers/critical thinking. I disagree, personally.
Only a rascist would read race into this post. Race card race card etc yawn.
Look at Coleman on sideline. Look at Klein when he used to be there. Coleman is animated, fired up, coaching, hands on. Klein is not. Now, which of those two would you rather stick up in the box? And which of those two would you want on the sideline. It’s about personality.
Do you seriously not understand that your opinion is completely based on your observation and nothing else? Additionally that observation, intentional or not, plays off of a stereotype about blacks being emotional and whites bring cerebral, you really don't see that?
And before you say anything about "race card" please know the first time you made this observation, I didn't address it in this manner, benefit of the doubt. The second time you made the point it becomes a little harder to ignore.
Dude...it's an internet message board. With few exceptions, every post on this board is based on the poster's opinion. You seem to have a boner for attacking others opinions. Your counter-posts are no more based in fact than any of the other crap posted here.
I didn't attack steffy nor did I claim anything about this conversation is fact based. I pointed out to him why another poster read a racial element into his post. I'm not quite sure what your issue is here.
Pretty odd time to wag your finger at me.
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Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?
I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.
The playcaller has to be in the box. Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines. I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection.
What in the world are you talking about? There are play callers on the sideline all over the place, on every level of football. The Big 12 champion has the head coach calling plays.
what he's trying to say is white people are better at numbers/critical thinking. I disagree, personally.
Only a rascist would read race into this post. Race card race card etc yawn.
Look at Coleman on sideline. Look at Klein when he used to be there. Coleman is animated, fired up, coaching, hands on. Klein is not. Now, which of those two would you rather stick up in the box? And which of those two would you want on the sideline. It’s about personality.
Do you seriously not understand that your opinion is completely based on your observation and nothing else? Additionally that observation, intentional or not, plays off of a stereotype about blacks being emotional and whites bring cerebral, you really don't see that?
And before you say anything about "race card" please know the first time you made this observation, I didn't address it in this manner, benefit of the doubt. The second time you made the point it becomes a little harder to ignore.
Dude...it's an internet message board. With few exceptions, every post on this board is based on the poster's opinion. You seem to have a boner for attacking others opinions. Your counter-posts are no more based in fact than any of the other crap posted here.
This can be true. What can be equally true is that people's opinion's contain a racial element. This is America, jfc, and racial element does not always mean racist element. But all kinds of language and opinion are embedded in racial assumptions, regardless of the explicit intention of the speaker/poster. The fact that this isn't just elementary historical knowledge in our citizenry and instead we always get de-evolution into whiny, panties wearing "you played the race card" retorts is pretty rough ridin' depressing.
But yea, the fiery black guy probably shouldn't be "grinding" through down and distance, let him cheer lead and entertain from the sidelines. This is a family stadium after all and we're trying to MAGA.
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Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?
I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.
The playcaller has to be in the box. Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines. I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection.
What in the world are you talking about? There are play callers on the sideline all over the place, on every level of football. The Big 12 champion has the head coach calling plays.
what he's trying to say is white people are better at numbers/critical thinking. I disagree, personally.
Only a rascist would read race into this post. Race card race card etc yawn.
Look at Coleman on sideline. Look at Klein when he used to be there. Coleman is animated, fired up, coaching, hands on. Klein is not. Now, which of those two would you rather stick up in the box? And which of those two would you want on the sideline. It’s about personality.
Do you seriously not understand that your opinion is completely based on your observation and nothing else? Additionally that observation, intentional or not, plays off of a stereotype about blacks being emotional and whites bring cerebral, you really don't see that?
And before you say anything about "race card" please know the first time you made this observation, I didn't address it in this manner, benefit of the doubt. The second time you made the point it becomes a little harder to ignore.
Dude...it's an internet message board. With few exceptions, every post on this board is based on the poster's opinion. You seem to have a boner for attacking others opinions. Your counter-posts are no more based in fact than any of the other crap posted here.
This can be true. What can be equally true is that people's opinion's contain a racial element. This is America, jfc, and racial element does not always mean racist element. But all kinds of language and opinion are embedded in racial assumptions, regardless of the explicit intention of the speaker/poster. The fact that this isn't just elementary historical knowledge in our citizenry and instead we always get de-evolution into whiny, panties wearing "you played the race card" retorts is pretty rough ridin' depressing.
But yea, the fiery black guy probably shouldn't be "grinding" through down and distance, let him cheer lead and entertain from the sidelines. This is a family stadium after all and we're trying to MAGA.
If Klein was black and Coleman was white, my take would be the same.
Your's wouldn't.
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Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?
I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.
The playcaller has to be in the box. Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines. I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection.
What in the world are you talking about? There are play callers on the sideline all over the place, on every level of football. The Big 12 champion has the head coach calling plays.
what he's trying to say is white people are better at numbers/critical thinking. I disagree, personally.
Only a rascist would read race into this post. Race card race card etc yawn.
Look at Coleman on sideline. Look at Klein when he used to be there. Coleman is animated, fired up, coaching, hands on. Klein is not. Now, which of those two would you rather stick up in the box? And which of those two would you want on the sideline. It’s about personality.
Do you seriously not understand that your opinion is completely based on your observation and nothing else? Additionally that observation, intentional or not, plays off of a stereotype about blacks being emotional and whites bring cerebral, you really don't see that?
And before you say anything about "race card" please know the first time you made this observation, I didn't address it in this manner, benefit of the doubt. The second time you made the point it becomes a little harder to ignore.
Dude...it's an internet message board. With few exceptions, every post on this board is based on the poster's opinion. You seem to have a boner for attacking others opinions. Your counter-posts are no more based in fact than any of the other crap posted here.
This can be true. What can be equally true is that people's opinion's contain a racial element. This is America, jfc, and racial element does not always mean racist element. But all kinds of language and opinion are embedded in racial assumptions, regardless of the explicit intention of the speaker/poster. The fact that this isn't just elementary historical knowledge in our citizenry and instead we always get de-evolution into whiny, panties wearing "you played the race card" retorts is pretty rough ridin' depressing.
But yea, the fiery black guy probably shouldn't be "grinding" through down and distance, let him cheer lead and entertain from the sidelines. This is a family stadium after all and we're trying to MAGA.
Wallow in your white privilege guilt much? Or if you are black, i'm so sorry this racist prick has offended you with his ignorant, intolerant, hate filled opinions. If you are neither, :runaway:
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Wb, try the pit :excited:
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Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?
I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.
The playcaller has to be in the box. Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines. I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection.
What in the world are you talking about? There are play callers on the sideline all over the place, on every level of football. The Big 12 champion has the head coach calling plays.
what he's trying to say is white people are better at numbers/critical thinking. I disagree, personally.
Only a rascist would read race into this post. Race card race card etc yawn.
Look at Coleman on sideline. Look at Klein when he used to be there. Coleman is animated, fired up, coaching, hands on. Klein is not. Now, which of those two would you rather stick up in the box? And which of those two would you want on the sideline. It’s about personality.
Do you seriously not understand that your opinion is completely based on your observation and nothing else? Additionally that observation, intentional or not, plays off of a stereotype about blacks being emotional and whites bring cerebral, you really don't see that?
And before you say anything about "race card" please know the first time you made this observation, I didn't address it in this manner, benefit of the doubt. The second time you made the point it becomes a little harder to ignore.
Dude...it's an internet message board. With few exceptions, every post on this board is based on the poster's opinion. You seem to have a boner for attacking others opinions. Your counter-posts are no more based in fact than any of the other crap posted here.
This can be true. What can be equally true is that people's opinion's contain a racial element. This is America, jfc, and racial element does not always mean racist element. But all kinds of language and opinion are embedded in racial assumptions, regardless of the explicit intention of the speaker/poster. The fact that this isn't just elementary historical knowledge in our citizenry and instead we always get de-evolution into whiny, panties wearing "you played the race card" retorts is pretty rough ridin' depressing.
But yea, the fiery black guy probably shouldn't be "grinding" through down and distance, let him cheer lead and entertain from the sidelines. This is a family stadium after all and we're trying to MAGA.
If Klein was black and Coleman was white, my take would be the same.
Your's wouldn't.
Hypothetical scenario's are fun!
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Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?
I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.
The playcaller has to be in the box. Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines. I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection.
What in the world are you talking about? There are play callers on the sideline all over the place, on every level of football. The Big 12 champion has the head coach calling plays.
what he's trying to say is white people are better at numbers/critical thinking. I disagree, personally.
Only a rascist would read race into this post. Race card race card etc yawn.
Look at Coleman on sideline. Look at Klein when he used to be there. Coleman is animated, fired up, coaching, hands on. Klein is not. Now, which of those two would you rather stick up in the box? And which of those two would you want on the sideline. It’s about personality.
Do you seriously not understand that your opinion is completely based on your observation and nothing else? Additionally that observation, intentional or not, plays off of a stereotype about blacks being emotional and whites bring cerebral, you really don't see that?
And before you say anything about "race card" please know the first time you made this observation, I didn't address it in this manner, benefit of the doubt. The second time you made the point it becomes a little harder to ignore.
Dude...it's an internet message board. With few exceptions, every post on this board is based on the poster's opinion. You seem to have a boner for attacking others opinions. Your counter-posts are no more based in fact than any of the other crap posted here.
This can be true. What can be equally true is that people's opinion's contain a racial element. This is America, jfc, and racial element does not always mean racist element. But all kinds of language and opinion are embedded in racial assumptions, regardless of the explicit intention of the speaker/poster. The fact that this isn't just elementary historical knowledge in our citizenry and instead we always get de-evolution into whiny, panties wearing "you played the race card" retorts is pretty rough ridin' depressing.
But yea, the fiery black guy probably shouldn't be "grinding" through down and distance, let him cheer lead and entertain from the sidelines. This is a family stadium after all and we're trying to MAGA.
If Klein was black and Coleman was white, my take would be the same.
Your's wouldn't.
Hypothetical scenario's are fun!
That's all you got? Pointing out that this is a hypothetical? No kidding!
Essentially, you are admitting that you would have no problem with my take if the races were reversed. So I can have a take about what type of personality is best fit for certain job. But if that take involves a certain race combination, I can't have it (or shouldn't express it)? That, to me, is weird.
I'm done talking about it. Race discussions bore me very quickly.
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Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?
I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.
The playcaller has to be in the box. Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines. I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection.
What in the world are you talking about? There are play callers on the sideline all over the place, on every level of football. The Big 12 champion has the head coach calling plays.
what he's trying to say is white people are better at numbers/critical thinking. I disagree, personally.
Only a rascist would read race into this post. Race card race card etc yawn.
Look at Coleman on sideline. Look at Klein when he used to be there. Coleman is animated, fired up, coaching, hands on. Klein is not. Now, which of those two would you rather stick up in the box? And which of those two would you want on the sideline. It’s about personality.
Do you seriously not understand that your opinion is completely based on your observation and nothing else? Additionally that observation, intentional or not, plays off of a stereotype about blacks being emotional and whites bring cerebral, you really don't see that?
And before you say anything about "race card" please know the first time you made this observation, I didn't address it in this manner, benefit of the doubt. The second time you made the point it becomes a little harder to ignore.
Dude...it's an internet message board. With few exceptions, every post on this board is based on the poster's opinion. You seem to have a boner for attacking others opinions. Your counter-posts are no more based in fact than any of the other crap posted here.
This can be true. What can be equally true is that people's opinion's contain a racial element. This is America, jfc, and racial element does not always mean racist element. But all kinds of language and opinion are embedded in racial assumptions, regardless of the explicit intention of the speaker/poster. The fact that this isn't just elementary historical knowledge in our citizenry and instead we always get de-evolution into whiny, panties wearing "you played the race card" retorts is pretty rough ridin' depressing.
But yea, the fiery black guy probably shouldn't be "grinding" through down and distance, let him cheer lead and entertain from the sidelines. This is a family stadium after all and we're trying to MAGA.
If Klein was black and Coleman was white, my take would be the same.
Your's wouldn't.
Wait... so in this scenario, would that have made Jake Waters also black and #Life white? Would that have also meant that #Life would have most likely been a starter over Jake Waters instead of water's over #Life?
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woah
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woah
Stop being so excitable, if you can help it.
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Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?
I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.
The playcaller has to be in the box. Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines. I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection.
What in the world are you talking about? There are play callers on the sideline all over the place, on every level of football. The Big 12 champion has the head coach calling plays.
what he's trying to say is white people are better at numbers/critical thinking. I disagree, personally.
Only a rascist would read race into this post. Race card race card etc yawn.
Look at Coleman on sideline. Look at Klein when he used to be there. Coleman is animated, fired up, coaching, hands on. Klein is not. Now, which of those two would you rather stick up in the box? And which of those two would you want on the sideline. It’s about personality.
Do you seriously not understand that your opinion is completely based on your observation and nothing else? Additionally that observation, intentional or not, plays off of a stereotype about blacks being emotional and whites bring cerebral, you really don't see that?
And before you say anything about "race card" please know the first time you made this observation, I didn't address it in this manner, benefit of the doubt. The second time you made the point it becomes a little harder to ignore.
Dude...it's an internet message board. With few exceptions, every post on this board is based on the poster's opinion. You seem to have a boner for attacking others opinions. Your counter-posts are no more based in fact than any of the other crap posted here.
This can be true. What can be equally true is that people's opinion's contain a racial element. This is America, jfc, and racial element does not always mean racist element. But all kinds of language and opinion are embedded in racial assumptions, regardless of the explicit intention of the speaker/poster. The fact that this isn't just elementary historical knowledge in our citizenry and instead we always get de-evolution into whiny, panties wearing "you played the race card" retorts is pretty rough ridin' depressing.
But yea, the fiery black guy probably shouldn't be "grinding" through down and distance, let him cheer lead and entertain from the sidelines. This is a family stadium after all and we're trying to MAGA.
If Klein was black and Coleman was white, my take would be the same.
Your's wouldn't.
Hypothetical scenario's are fun!
That's all you got? Pointing out that this is a hypothetical? No kidding!
Essentially, you are admitting that you would have no problem with my take if the races were reversed. So I can have a take about what type of personality is best fit for certain job. But if that take involves a certain race combination, I can't have it (or shouldn't express it)? That, to me, is weird.
I'm done talking about it. Race discussions bore me very quickly.
Could this be why? Those who bring this crap up are self imposed PC police, who jump at the chance to give their "I'm a better person than you" opinions.
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woah
Stop being so excitable, if you can help it.
Your best post in years. :ROFL:
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woah
Stop being so excitable, if you can help it.
:ROFL:
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Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?
I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.
The playcaller has to be in the box. Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines. I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection.
What in the world are you talking about? There are play callers on the sideline all over the place, on every level of football. The Big 12 champion has the head coach calling plays.
what he's trying to say is white people are better at numbers/critical thinking. I disagree, personally.
Only a rascist would read race into this post. Race card race card etc yawn.
Look at Coleman on sideline. Look at Klein when he used to be there. Coleman is animated, fired up, coaching, hands on. Klein is not. Now, which of those two would you rather stick up in the box? And which of those two would you want on the sideline. It’s about personality.
Do you seriously not understand that your opinion is completely based on your observation and nothing else? Additionally that observation, intentional or not, plays off of a stereotype about blacks being emotional and whites bring cerebral, you really don't see that?
And before you say anything about "race card" please know the first time you made this observation, I didn't address it in this manner, benefit of the doubt. The second time you made the point it becomes a little harder to ignore.
Dude...it's an internet message board. With few exceptions, every post on this board is based on the poster's opinion. You seem to have a boner for attacking others opinions. Your counter-posts are no more based in fact than any of the other crap posted here.
This can be true. What can be equally true is that people's opinion's contain a racial element. This is America, jfc, and racial element does not always mean racist element. But all kinds of language and opinion are embedded in racial assumptions, regardless of the explicit intention of the speaker/poster. The fact that this isn't just elementary historical knowledge in our citizenry and instead we always get de-evolution into whiny, panties wearing "you played the race card" retorts is pretty rough ridin' depressing.
But yea, the fiery black guy probably shouldn't be "grinding" through down and distance, let him cheer lead and entertain from the sidelines. This is a family stadium after all and we're trying to MAGA.
If Klein was black and Coleman was white, my take would be the same.
Your's wouldn't.
Hypothetical scenario's are fun!
That's all you got? Pointing out that this is a hypothetical? No kidding!
Essentially, you are admitting that you would have no problem with my take if the races were reversed. So I can have a take about what type of personality is best fit for certain job. But if that take involves a certain race combination, I can't have it (or shouldn't express it)? That, to me, is weird.
I'm done talking about it. Race discussions bore me very quickly.
Could this be why? Those who bring this crap up are self imposed PC police, who jump at the chance to give their "I'm a better person than you" opinions.
Dude's, everyone relax, none of this is to indict anyone, but the fact that the simple act of pointing out that language is embedded with symbolic assumptions, some of them racial, results in a Steffy emotional tirade is telling. That's all. This is in the spirit of pointing out that this is a large scale problem, not some problem of the individual mind or of any particular poster on this board. This isn't about individuals.
As far as the cerebral play calling guy in the booth and fiery sideline guy down with the players claim, I, as others on this board have pointed out as well, remain less than convinced that this correlation even exists. How do you know this? How do you know that Coleman wouldn't come off more as a cerebral guy if he were in the booth and not on the sidelines in the midst of it all? I mean Andre was never known as some fiery ra-ra guy as a Cat. My recollection from being in the stands those years was that he was a fairly straight forward, give the ball back to the ref type of receiver. Similar to Klein in that way on the field. Wouldn't personality on the field be similar to personality as a coach?
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Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?
I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.
The playcaller has to be in the box. Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines. I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection.
What in the world are you talking about? There are play callers on the sideline all over the place, on every level of football. The Big 12 champion has the head coach calling plays.
what he's trying to say is white people are better at numbers/critical thinking. I disagree, personally.
Only a rascist would read race into this post. Race card race card etc yawn.
Look at Coleman on sideline. Look at Klein when he used to be there. Coleman is animated, fired up, coaching, hands on. Klein is not. Now, which of those two would you rather stick up in the box? And which of those two would you want on the sideline. It’s about personality.
Do you seriously not understand that your opinion is completely based on your observation and nothing else? Additionally that observation, intentional or not, plays off of a stereotype about blacks being emotional and whites bring cerebral, you really don't see that?
And before you say anything about "race card" please know the first time you made this observation, I didn't address it in this manner, benefit of the doubt. The second time you made the point it becomes a little harder to ignore.
Dude...it's an internet message board. With few exceptions, every post on this board is based on the poster's opinion. You seem to have a boner for attacking others opinions. Your counter-posts are no more based in fact than any of the other crap posted here.
This can be true. What can be equally true is that people's opinion's contain a racial element. This is America, jfc, and racial element does not always mean racist element. But all kinds of language and opinion are embedded in racial assumptions, regardless of the explicit intention of the speaker/poster. The fact that this isn't just elementary historical knowledge in our citizenry and instead we always get de-evolution into whiny, panties wearing "you played the race card" retorts is pretty rough ridin' depressing.
But yea, the fiery black guy probably shouldn't be "grinding" through down and distance, let him cheer lead and entertain from the sidelines. This is a family stadium after all and we're trying to MAGA.
If Klein was black and Coleman was white, my take would be the same.
Your's wouldn't.
Hypothetical scenario's are fun!
That's all you got? Pointing out that this is a hypothetical? No kidding!
Essentially, you are admitting that you would have no problem with my take if the races were reversed. So I can have a take about what type of personality is best fit for certain job. But if that take involves a certain race combination, I can't have it (or shouldn't express it)? That, to me, is weird.
I'm done talking about it. Race discussions bore me very quickly.
Could this be why? Those who bring this crap up are self imposed PC police, who jump at the chance to give their "I'm a better person than you" opinions.
Dude's, everyone relax, none of this is to indict anyone, but the fact that the simple act of pointing out that language is embedded with symbolic assumptions, some of them racial, results in a Steffy emotional tirade is telling. That's all. This is in the spirit of pointing out that this is a large scale problem, not some problem of the individual mind or of any particular poster on this board. This isn't about individuals.
As far as the cerebral play calling guy in the booth and fiery sideline guy down with the players claim, I, as others on this board have pointed out as well, remain less than convinced that this correlation even exists. How do you know this? How do you know that Coleman wouldn't come off more as a cerebral guy if he were in the booth and not on the sidelines in the midst of it all? I mean Andre was never known as some fiery ra-ra guy as a Cat. My recollection from being in the stands those years was that he was a fairly straight forward, give the ball back to the ref type of receiver. Similar to Klein in that way on the field. Wouldn't personality on the field be similar to personality as a coach?
Actually, I could give a crap about who's in the box or on the sideline. In Steffy's warped mind he thinks CK is not emotional enough for the sideline, but Coleman is. My take is the stupid rough ridin' racist accusations that pop up every time someone brings up a black verses white guy scenario. Like a bunch of PC kids looking for a chance to add this crap. It gets old.
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https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/961309205163659264
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Dickey is the most cerebral logical choice
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Dickey is the most cerebral logical choice
I'll need a DNA test to determine that thank you.
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https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/961309205163659264
Is this common...trial runs to determine who will be in the booth? A 3 headed OC situation? Is this just Snyder wizardry or the sign of the sinking ship?
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OC Hunger Games
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https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/961309205163659264
Is this common...trial runs to determine who will be in the booth? A 3 headed OC situation? Is this just Snyder wizardry or the sign of the sinking ship?
Pretty sure it's gonna be exacly like I said before all the dumbasses got caught up in a race war. Coleman will get two options and choose one. Which BTW, he can be on the sidelines to do.
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That race war was definitely epic
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So. . .kinda like when you are playing a football video game and you can select play type ie "pass" or "run" which then lets you select what coach suggests on each down. I'm not sure if this is a novel idea but it is an interesting one.
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Dickey is the most cerebral logical choice
I'll need a DNA test to determine that thank you.
Dickey's wife may, shall I say, muddy the waters.
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:lol:
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https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/961309205163659264
Is this common...trial runs to determine who will be in the booth? A 3 headed OC situation? Is this just Snyder wizardry or the sign of the sinking ship?
Pretty sure it's gonna be exacly like I said before all the dumbasses got caught up in a race war. Coleman will get two options and choose one. Which BTW, he can be on the sidelines to do.
Ha...maybe this'll work, assuming the three have a good working relationship...which I have no idea about.
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Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?
I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.
The playcaller has to be in the box. Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines. I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection.
What in the world are you talking about? There are play callers on the sideline all over the place, on every level of football. The Big 12 champion has the head coach calling plays.
what he's trying to say is white people are better at numbers/critical thinking. I disagree, personally.
Only a rascist would read race into this post. Race card race card etc yawn.
Look at Coleman on sideline. Look at Klein when he used to be there. Coleman is animated, fired up, coaching, hands on. Klein is not. Now, which of those two would you rather stick up in the box? And which of those two would you want on the sideline. It’s about personality.
Do you seriously not understand that your opinion is completely based on your observation and nothing else? Additionally that observation, intentional or not, plays off of a stereotype about blacks being emotional and whites bring cerebral, you really don't see that?
And before you say anything about "race card" please know the first time you made this observation, I didn't address it in this manner, benefit of the doubt. The second time you made the point it becomes a little harder to ignore.
Dude...it's an internet message board. With few exceptions, every post on this board is based on the poster's opinion. You seem to have a boner for attacking others opinions. Your counter-posts are no more based in fact than any of the other crap posted here.
This can be true. What can be equally true is that people's opinion's contain a racial element. This is America, jfc, and racial element does not always mean racist element. But all kinds of language and opinion are embedded in racial assumptions, regardless of the explicit intention of the speaker/poster. The fact that this isn't just elementary historical knowledge in our citizenry and instead we always get de-evolution into whiny, panties wearing "you played the race card" retorts is pretty rough ridin' depressing.
But yea, the fiery black guy probably shouldn't be "grinding" through down and distance, let him cheer lead and entertain from the sidelines. This is a family stadium after all and we're trying to MAGA.
If Klein was black and Coleman was white, my take would be the same.
Your's wouldn't.
Hypothetical scenario's are fun!
That's all you got? Pointing out that this is a hypothetical? No kidding!
Essentially, you are admitting that you would have no problem with my take if the races were reversed. So I can have a take about what type of personality is best fit for certain job. But if that take involves a certain race combination, I can't have it (or shouldn't express it)? That, to me, is weird.
I'm done talking about it. Race discussions bore me very quickly.
Could this be why? Those who bring this crap up are self imposed PC police, who jump at the chance to give their "I'm a better person than you" opinions.
Dude's, everyone relax, none of this is to indict anyone, but the fact that the simple act of pointing out that language is embedded with symbolic assumptions, some of them racial, results in a Steffy emotional tirade is telling. That's all. This is in the spirit of pointing out that this is a large scale problem, not some problem of the individual mind or of any particular poster on this board. This isn't about individuals.
As far as the cerebral play calling guy in the booth and fiery sideline guy down with the players claim, I, as others on this board have pointed out as well, remain less than convinced that this correlation even exists. How do you know this? How do you know that Coleman wouldn't come off more as a cerebral guy if he were in the booth and not on the sidelines in the midst of it all? I mean Andre was never known as some fiery ra-ra guy as a Cat. My recollection from being in the stands those years was that he was a fairly straight forward, give the ball back to the ref type of receiver. Similar to Klein in that way on the field. Wouldn't personality on the field be similar to personality as a coach?
Actually, I could give a crap about who's in the box or on the sideline. In Steffy's warped mind he thinks CK is not emotional enough for the sideline, but Coleman is. My take is the stupid rough ridin' racist accusations that pop up every time someone brings up a black verses white guy scenario. Like a bunch of PC kids looking for a chance to add this crap. It gets old.
Once again, Steffy08 destroys the moron PC internet mob.
https://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article218614240.html
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first off, no one is reading that. second off, way to destroy katdaddy and some other posters i've never heard of
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Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?
I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.
The playcaller has to be in the box. Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines. I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection.
What in the world are you talking about? There are play callers on the sideline all over the place, on every level of football. The Big 12 champion has the head coach calling plays.
what he's trying to say is white people are better at numbers/critical thinking. I disagree, personally.
Only a rascist would read race into this post. Race card race card etc yawn.
Look at Coleman on sideline. Look at Klein when he used to be there. Coleman is animated, fired up, coaching, hands on. Klein is not. Now, which of those two would you rather stick up in the box? And which of those two would you want on the sideline. It’s about personality.
Do you seriously not understand that your opinion is completely based on your observation and nothing else? Additionally that observation, intentional or not, plays off of a stereotype about blacks being emotional and whites bring cerebral, you really don't see that?
And before you say anything about "race card" please know the first time you made this observation, I didn't address it in this manner, benefit of the doubt. The second time you made the point it becomes a little harder to ignore.
Dude...it's an internet message board. With few exceptions, every post on this board is based on the poster's opinion. You seem to have a boner for attacking others opinions. Your counter-posts are no more based in fact than any of the other crap posted here.
This can be true. What can be equally true is that people's opinion's contain a racial element. This is America, jfc, and racial element does not always mean racist element. But all kinds of language and opinion are embedded in racial assumptions, regardless of the explicit intention of the speaker/poster. The fact that this isn't just elementary historical knowledge in our citizenry and instead we always get de-evolution into whiny, panties wearing "you played the race card" retorts is pretty rough ridin' depressing.
But yea, the fiery black guy probably shouldn't be "grinding" through down and distance, let him cheer lead and entertain from the sidelines. This is a family stadium after all and we're trying to MAGA.
If Klein was black and Coleman was white, my take would be the same.
Your's wouldn't.
Hypothetical scenario's are fun!
That's all you got? Pointing out that this is a hypothetical? No kidding!
Essentially, you are admitting that you would have no problem with my take if the races were reversed. So I can have a take about what type of personality is best fit for certain job. But if that take involves a certain race combination, I can't have it (or shouldn't express it)? That, to me, is weird.
I'm done talking about it. Race discussions bore me very quickly.
Could this be why? Those who bring this crap up are self imposed PC police, who jump at the chance to give their "I'm a better person than you" opinions.
Dude's, everyone relax, none of this is to indict anyone, but the fact that the simple act of pointing out that language is embedded with symbolic assumptions, some of them racial, results in a Steffy emotional tirade is telling. That's all. This is in the spirit of pointing out that this is a large scale problem, not some problem of the individual mind or of any particular poster on this board. This isn't about individuals.
As far as the cerebral play calling guy in the booth and fiery sideline guy down with the players claim, I, as others on this board have pointed out as well, remain less than convinced that this correlation even exists. How do you know this? How do you know that Coleman wouldn't come off more as a cerebral guy if he were in the booth and not on the sidelines in the midst of it all? I mean Andre was never known as some fiery ra-ra guy as a Cat. My recollection from being in the stands those years was that he was a fairly straight forward, give the ball back to the ref type of receiver. Similar to Klein in that way on the field. Wouldn't personality on the field be similar to personality as a coach?
Actually, I could give a crap about who's in the box or on the sideline. In Steffy's warped mind he thinks CK is not emotional enough for the sideline, but Coleman is. My take is the stupid rough ridin' racist accusations that pop up every time someone brings up a black verses white guy scenario. Like a bunch of PC kids looking for a chance to add this crap. It gets old.
Once again, Steffy08 destroys the moron PC internet mob.
https://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article218614240.html
Correlation does not equal causation (I mean look who we played). Also you're still kind of a gross racist.
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I mean, racisty08 said in the first post that the play caller has to be in the booth and Coleman is too dumb to call plays. The article doesn't really back him up on those points.
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Double down on the race card play rather than admit defeat?? Interesting strategy.
:Crybaby:
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Steffy do you think we will boat race WVU now that andre is on the sidelines?