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Re: 2020 General Election Thread
« Reply #1125 on: October 11, 2020, 02:12:25 PM »
What is the question? Why do you think that is the only impactful thing to vote for?

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« Reply #1126 on: October 11, 2020, 02:12:56 PM »
Is this an abortion thing? Jfc people.

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Re: 2020 General Election Thread
« Reply #1127 on: October 11, 2020, 02:34:11 PM »
Is this an abortion thing? Jfc people.

No. I support Roe, Casey, Whole Women's Health, etc. I don't believe the Court would overturn all of that even with ACB confirmed. Even though Pete was my guy, I did not like him floating the idea of court packing out there cavalierly. And I do not like all the loose talk about court packing that people have been throwing out there without even a hint of the repercussions that it could have on our institutions. "But it was the Republicans who previously ....!" Yeah, ok, let's stop the bleeding. You all can get your damn grubby paws off my judicial branch, the only one left with even a modicum of integrity. 

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Re: 2020 General Election Thread
« Reply #1128 on: October 11, 2020, 02:43:40 PM »
No. I support Roe, Casey, Whole Women's Health, etc. I don't believe the Court would overturn all of that even with ACB confirmed. Even though Pete was my guy, I did not like him floating the idea of court packing out there cavalierly. And I do not like all the loose talk about court packing that people have been throwing out there without even a hint of the repercussions that it could have on our institutions. "But it was the Republicans who previously ....!" Yeah, ok, let's stop the bleeding. You all can get your damn grubby paws off my judicial branch, the only one left with even a modicum of integrity.

sounds like a biden-cornyn voter to me.
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« Reply #1129 on: October 11, 2020, 02:48:08 PM »
Is this an abortion thing? Jfc people.

No. I support Roe, Casey, Whole Women's Health, etc. I don't believe the Court would overturn all of that even with ACB confirmed. Even though Pete was my guy, I did not like him floating the idea of court packing out there cavalierly. And I do not like all the loose talk about court packing that people have been throwing out there without even a hint of the repercussions that it could have on our institutions. "But it was the Republicans who previously ....!" Yeah, ok, let's stop the bleeding. You all can get your damn grubby paws off my judicial branch, the only one left with even a modicum of integrity.
Bush v Gore and you are really gonna sit there and act like the judicial branch isn’t already a joke?

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Re: 2020 General Election Thread
« Reply #1130 on: October 11, 2020, 02:48:56 PM »
Is this an abortion thing? Jfc people.

No. I support Roe, Casey, Whole Women's Health, etc. I don't believe the Court would overturn all of that even with ACB confirmed. Even though Pete was my guy, I did not like him floating the idea of court packing out there cavalierly. And I do not like all the loose talk about court packing that people have been throwing out there without even a hint of the repercussions that it could have on our institutions. "But it was the Republicans who previously ....!" Yeah, ok, let's stop the bleeding. You all can get your damn grubby paws off my judicial branch, the only one left with even a modicum of integrity.
So are you an original 6 justice guy? Did you like it better at 7 or 10? Or is 9 just a perfect number?
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Re: 2020 General Election Thread
« Reply #1131 on: October 11, 2020, 02:49:58 PM »
The Supreme Court is a bunch of rough ridin' hacks. Sorry bud, no institutions any more. That‘a already gone.

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Re: 2020 General Election Thread
« Reply #1132 on: October 11, 2020, 02:56:29 PM »
Already alot of action, but just curious Spracs where do you see your Senator's role in this (past few years and the next month or so).

That one's easy, because it's actually spelled out in the Constitution.

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Re: 2020 General Election Thread
« Reply #1133 on: October 11, 2020, 02:57:16 PM »
The Supreme Court is a bunch of rough ridin' hacks.

You and I obviously disagree on that.

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Re: 2020 General Election Thread
« Reply #1134 on: October 11, 2020, 03:00:37 PM »
Is this an abortion thing? Jfc people.

No. I support Roe, Casey, Whole Women's Health, etc. I don't believe the Court would overturn all of that even with ACB confirmed. Even though Pete was my guy, I did not like him floating the idea of court packing out there cavalierly. And I do not like all the loose talk about court packing that people have been throwing out there without even a hint of the repercussions that it could have on our institutions. "But it was the Republicans who previously ....!" Yeah, ok, let's stop the bleeding. You all can get your damn grubby paws off my judicial branch, the only one left with even a modicum of integrity.
So are you an original 6 justice guy? Did you like it better at 7 or 10? Or is 9 just a perfect number?

Nine seems to be a good number. It's been that way for a long time. I think it was a bad idea when President Franklin Roosevelt tried to pack the court.

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« Reply #1135 on: October 11, 2020, 03:23:44 PM »
Would it take a simple majority in the senate to pass legislation to add justices?
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Re: 2020 General Election Thread
« Reply #1136 on: October 11, 2020, 03:28:23 PM »
Already alot of action, but just curious Spracs where do you see your Senator's role in this (past few years and the next month or so).

That one's easy, because it's actually spelled out in the Constitution.

I meant on treating appointments to the judicial branch as political and to be done on ideological terms. Do you believe they do this and do you support it.

It says the President shall nominate, and the Senate shall provide advice and consent. If you're referring to Merrick Garland, no I do not support that obvious assfuckery.

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Re: 2020 General Election Thread
« Reply #1137 on: October 11, 2020, 03:30:50 PM »
I think it's inevitable that Roe and Obergefell (among a lot more "liberal" decisions) will be overturned very soon.

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Re: 2020 General Election Thread
« Reply #1138 on: October 11, 2020, 03:34:44 PM »
I think it's inevitable that Roe and Obergefell (among a lot more "liberal" decisions) will be overturned very soon.

And I simply do not think that. In fact, I find the suggestion silly.

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Re: 2020 General Election Thread
« Reply #1139 on: October 11, 2020, 03:38:55 PM »
I guess we'll see. 

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Re: 2020 General Election Thread
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« Reply #1141 on: October 11, 2020, 03:47:45 PM »
I think the threat to pack the court will keep Roe from being overturned. The court won't get packed unless something crazy like that happens. The public would likely support packing the court at that point.

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Re: 2020 General Election Thread
« Reply #1142 on: October 11, 2020, 03:51:29 PM »
To be clear, I think court packing is a bad idea.

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Re: 2020 General Election Thread
« Reply #1143 on: October 11, 2020, 03:54:33 PM »
I think overturning Roe is a bad idea.
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Re: 2020 General Election Thread
« Reply #1144 on: October 11, 2020, 04:03:16 PM »
i'm with spracs, i don't think either of those will be overturned, even with acb.  they'd need to replace a few more conservative justices first.

i don't think gay marriage is at all threatened.  it would be disastrous for the gop, i think for the most part they have taken the L and moved on.
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« Reply #1145 on: October 11, 2020, 04:05:38 PM »
i'm with spracs, i don't think either of those will be overturned, even with acb.  they'd need to replace a few more conservative justices first.

i don't think gay marriage is at all threatened.  it would be disastrous for the gop, i think for the most part they have taken the L and moved on.

Yeah, I haven't really heard any clamoring for overturning Obergefell. That one caught me off guard.

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« Reply #1146 on: October 11, 2020, 04:08:47 PM »
i'm with spracs, i don't think either of those will be overturned, even with acb.  they'd need to replace a few more conservative justices first.

i don't think gay marriage is at all threatened.  it would be disastrous for the gop, i think for the most part they have taken the L and moved on.

i agree with spracs and star seed on this one, and in doing so disagree with spracs that the supreme court is not essentially a political body.
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« Reply #1147 on: October 11, 2020, 04:14:09 PM »
The idea that the Supreme Court is not just naked politics is something pushed by lawyers and politics nerds to confuse the rest of the public in to taking it seriously so that politicians can exercise more unaccountable power over the public. I don’t know if spracs is dumb enough to buy it or if he is just trying to play the same game.

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Re: 2020 General Election Thread
« Reply #1148 on: October 11, 2020, 05:07:03 PM »
The idea that the Supreme Court is not just naked politics is something pushed by lawyers and politics nerds to confuse the rest of the public in to taking it seriously so that politicians can exercise more unaccountable power over the public. I don’t know if spracs is dumb enough to buy it or if he is just trying to play the same game.

Yeah, I disagree. Yes, judges and justices are human beings living in society, and so they have their own faults and biases like the rest of us. The "everything is naked political power" mantra is too cynical for me, and I consider it a facile explanation that does not comport with the complexities of reality. No doubt there have been judicial appointees who were reliable arbiters for the parties that elevated them, but to a far lesser degree than the other two branches of government. And yes, we do have politicians who meddle with the courts and treat them as their own personal sandbox for promoting political agendas.

I think it is an insult to the great majority of judges, however, to paint them as mere political actors (federal judges, that is). We have only three branches of our national government, and only one was structurally designed to minimize political interference with its decisions. That was a good idea in 1791, it's a good idea now, and I will always root for and promote the independence of the judicial department. Indeed, when the political branches of government fail to act for generations, and when the collective action problem becomes so intractable that the machinery of democracy breaks down, sometimes you need the third branch of government to grease the zerks, so to speak. Lifetime appointments are the structural component that allows that to happen.

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Re: 2020 General Election Thread
« Reply #1149 on: October 11, 2020, 05:38:27 PM »
Point, KK.