Marcus Foster

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oscar played Foster 27 minutes against KU.

So you didn't even watch the game.  Good grief

Should he have played less?

Should he have played MOAR???

I think 27 minutes is about right for Foster. I was curious what you thought.

I'm curious as to how you think you can criticize his "benching" one moment and then say he played the right amount (when he sat the last 12 minutes of the game) in another.

Bullshit train coming through, Choo choo

[michigancat]

oscar played Foster 27 minutes against KU.

So you didn't even watch the game.  Good grief

Should he have played less?

Should he have played MOAR???

I think 27 minutes is about right for Foster. I was curious what you thought.

I'm curious as to how you think you can criticize his "benching" one moment and then say he played the right amount (when he sat the last 12 minutes of the game) in another.

Bullshit train coming through, Choo choo

I was questioning the benching against Iowa State. I don't care what part of the game the minutes come from.

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Yes, we've established you're full of crap. Now answer my question

[michigancat]

Yes, we've established you're full of crap. Now answer my question

You didn't ask a question. And do you think Foster should have played less against Kansas? (<-actual question I asked that you wouldn't answer.)

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

You're not going to weasel out of this one, pal.

Pretending you don't think it's significant that he sat the last 12 minutes against KU, when we turned a 7 point deficit into a 7 point win, is about as disingenuous of a talking point as we'll see here in bbs land. It's Junior Bullshit.

[pvegs]

Handlers has a negative connotation but people who assist black athletes are going to be more value-taking than value-giving compared to handlers of white athletes. Also on average going to be less intelligent. Funny how people get so offended by how things are termed and the need for everything to be equal. Stereotypes exist for a reason. It's no coincidence I've been in 3 minor car accidents (barely missing another one).

Just curious, but how is your super racist point related to your car accident anecdote?

[Sandstone Outcropping]

Handlers has a negative connotation but people who assist black athletes are going to be more value-taking than value-giving compared to handlers of white athletes. Also on average going to be less intelligent. Funny how people get so offended by how things are termed and the need for everything to be equal. Stereotypes exist for a reason. It's no coincidence I've been in 3 minor car accidents (barely missing another one).

Just curious, but how is your super racist point related to your car accident anecdote?

[dmartin]

Handlers has a negative connotation but people who assist black athletes are going to be more value-taking than value-giving compared to handlers of white athletes. Also on average going to be less intelligent. Funny how people get so offended by how things are termed and the need for everything to be equal. Stereotypes exist for a reason. It's no coincidence I've been in 3 minor car accidents (barely missing another one).

Just curious, but how is your super racist point related to your car accident anecdote?

Perhaps he's asian?  stunted = "short"

[renocat]

IMO Foster did not play at the end of ISU game because he was having a bad game.  KSU was going with the hot player.  If Marcus needs help from others to get himself righted, then great.  I hope for his sake humility is setting in and not arrogance.  His willingness to work hard to show doubters he belongs in D1 will be his ticket to a great year next year.

[michigancat]

You're not going to weasel out of this one, pal.

Pretending you don't think it's significant that he sat the last 12 minutes against KU, when we turned a 7 point deficit into a 7 point win, is about as disingenuous of a talking point as we'll see here in bbs land. It's Junior Bullshit.

Do you think he should have played less?

[kso_FAN]

The notion that Foster needs "people" to make him realize that he would have a better chance of making the league as a point guard is pretty insulting by itself. I mean, no crap.

Fran didn't say anything about people in his ear, he did talk about Marcus playing point guard at the skills camp, Fitz and his customer base decided to take it the step further and bring up shadowy "people" and "handlers."

I think Fran probably has a good take on what's going on, though to be fair its probably slanted toward a coach's side of things. Unlike most media, he actually attends practices and spends time with coaches. He is hearing their take on it and not only oscar and his staff, but other Big 12 coaches and their staffs. I'm sure the topic of Marcus has come up outside of just his time with K-State coaches because he's a prominent player in this league having a bad season.

Fitz is hearing 2nd/3rd hand info (at best) and I think its been a long time since he had solid connections with either football or basketball.

[Panjandrum]

The notion that Foster needs "people" to make him realize that he would have a better chance of making the league as a point guard is pretty insulting by itself. I mean, no crap.

Fran didn't say anything about people in his ear, he did talk about Marcus playing point guard at the skills camp, Fitz and his customer base decided to take it the step further and bring up shadowy "people" and "handlers."

I think Fran probably has a good take on what's going on, though to be fair its probably slanted toward a coach's side of things. Unlike most media, he actually attends practices and spends time with coaches. He is hearing their take on it and not only oscar and his staff, but other Big 12 coaches and their staffs. I'm sure the topic of Marcus has come up outside of just his time with K-State coaches because he's a prominent player in this league having a bad season.

Fitz is hearing 2nd/3rd hand info (at best) and I think its been a long time since he had solid connections with either football or basketball.

The fact that the AD has noticeably distanced themselves from him is pretty telling.

[Dr Rick Daris]

i'm not saying that fran repeats exactly what the coaches tell him to say, but there are times it certainly sounds like it and i love fran.

[#LIFE]

i'm not saying that fran repeats exactly what the coaches tell him to say, but there are times it certainly sounds like it and i love fran.

I enjoy him very much. Dan Dakich, on the other hand...I would like to punch his stupid face

[pvegs]

The notion that Foster needs "people" to make him realize that he would have a better chance of making the league as a point guard is pretty insulting by itself. I mean, no crap.

Fran didn't say anything about people in his ear, he did talk about Marcus playing point guard at the skills camp, Fitz and his customer base decided to take it the step further and bring up shadowy "people" and "handlers."

I think Fran probably has a good take on what's going on, though to be fair its probably slanted toward a coach's side of things. Unlike most media, he actually attends practices and spends time with coaches. He is hearing their take on it and not only oscar and his staff, but other Big 12 coaches and their staffs. I'm sure the topic of Marcus has come up outside of just his time with K-State coaches because he's a prominent player in this league having a bad season.

Fitz is hearing 2nd/3rd hand info (at best) and I think its been a long time since he had solid connections with either football or basketball.

So I still don't get how the Marcus was told he should play PG to make the NBA narrative figures in our season. Like he came back from those camps and told oscar he wanted to play PG and oscar laughed in his dumb face and Marcus' reaction was to become a 3 pt shooting specialist team cancer?

[ksupamplemousse]

The notion that Foster needs "people" to make him realize that he would have a better chance of making the league as a point guard is pretty insulting by itself. I mean, no crap.

Fran didn't say anything about people in his ear, he did talk about Marcus playing point guard at the skills camp, Fitz and his customer base decided to take it the step further and bring up shadowy "people" and "handlers."

I think Fran probably has a good take on what's going on, though to be fair its probably slanted toward a coach's side of things. Unlike most media, he actually attends practices and spends time with coaches. He is hearing their take on it and not only oscar and his staff, but other Big 12 coaches and their staffs. I'm sure the topic of Marcus has come up outside of just his time with K-State coaches because he's a prominent player in this league having a bad season.

Fitz is hearing 2nd/3rd hand info (at best) and I think its been a long time since he had solid connections with either football or basketball.

So I still don't get how the Marcus was told he should play PG to make the NBA narrative figures in our season. Like he came back from those camps and told oscar he wanted to play PG and oscar laughed in his dumb face and Marcus' reaction was to become a 3 pt shooting specialist team cancer?

This is what happens when everybody is shitting on one of your players, and you as a coach don't try to put a stop to it or at least provide some context. People make their own rough ridin' narrative, no matter how stupid it or asinine it may be, and as long as there is some form of consensus, then everybody feels justified in running with it.

[michigancat]

I think the whole "handlers are whispering that he needs to play PG to make it in the league" just creates a narrative that he isn't doing exactly what the coaches want him to do, which maybe explains lazyness? No idea.

[stunted]

Handlers has a negative connotation but people who assist black athletes are going to be more value-taking than value-giving compared to handlers of white athletes. Also on average going to be less intelligent. Funny how people get so offended by how things are termed and the need for everything to be equal. Stereotypes exist for a reason. It's no coincidence I've been in 3 minor car accidents (barely missing another one).

Just curious, but how is your super racist point related to your car accident anecdote?

is it super racist if its correct?

[ksupamplemousse]

Handlers has a negative connotation but people who assist black athletes are going to be more value-taking than value-giving compared to handlers of white athletes. Also on average going to be less intelligent. Funny how people get so offended by how things are termed and the need for everything to be equal. Stereotypes exist for a reason. It's no coincidence I've been in 3 minor car accidents (barely missing another one).

Just curious, but how is your super racist point related to your car accident anecdote?

is it super racist if its correct?

Dude 

[Belvis Noland]

I think the whole "handlers are whispering that he needs to play PG to make it in the league" just creates a narrative that he isn't doing exactly what the coaches want him to do, which maybe explains lazyness? No idea.

None of us know what's going on.  Suggesting that he has handlers/family driving a wedge between him and the coach/team is as unfounded and ridiculous as arguing that there is no possible way that handlers/family are inter-meddling. 

What we know:  AAU handlers/advisers conflicting with (or working with - in the case of Tim Floyd) college coaches is a real problem.

What we don't know:  whether it's a problem here.     

[michigancat]

I think the whole "handlers are whispering that he needs to play PG to make it in the league" just creates a narrative that he isn't doing exactly what the coaches want him to do, which maybe explains lazyness? No idea.

None of us know what's going on.  Suggesting that he has handlers/family driving a wedge between him and the coach/team is as unfounded and ridiculous as arguing that there is no possible way that handlers/family are inter-meddling. 

What we know:  AAU handlers/advisers conflicting with (or working with - in the case of Tim Floyd) college coaches is a real problem.

What we don't know:  whether it's a problem here.     

You think handlers are telling Marcus to play lazier or something? Floyd/Mayo didn't seem to hurt on-court performance much.

[Belvis Noland]

You think handlers are telling Marcus to play lazier or something? Floyd/Mayo didn't seem to hurt on-court performance much.

No, I don't think this. 

I don't get the sense that he's playing with a lot of effort.  I don't know why that is. 

Floyd/Mayo is literally the polar opposite of what GPC is suggesting here.  Whereas Floyd was in bed with Mayo's handler, GPC is suggesting that oscar and Foster's people are butting heads over Foster's role on the team. 

[michigancat]

Floyd/Mayo is literally the polar opposite of what GPC is suggesting here.  Whereas Floyd was in bed with Mayo's handler, GPC is suggesting that oscar and Foster's people are butting heads over Foster's role on the team. 

Yeah, and as many have pointed out, there is nothing on the court that supports this narrative - Foster shoots less and more of his shots are three's this year - which doesn't sound like someone going against his coach's wishes by showcasing PG skills. (This is why it is more ridiculous to suggest outside influences are a problem in this case.)

[kso_FAN]

I don't buy the pg stuff.

I think Marcus went from being a guy who had a mentality to prove everyone wrong because he was under-recruited to being a guy that was a little too satisfied with where he was at. oscar and staff weren't able to find the right motivation. It happens, he's only a sophomore. He'll mature like most kids and get better. I just hope he does it here.

[michigancat]

I don't buy the pg stuff.

I think Marcus went from being a guy who had a mentality to prove everyone wrong because he was under-recruited to being a guy that was a little too satisfied with where he was at. oscar and staff weren't able to find the right motivation. It happens, he's only a sophomore. He'll mature like most kids and get better. I just hope he does it here.

I don't like that narrative because it suggests that oscar may be partially at fault.