Post by: bones129 on July 19, 2016, 12:54:57 AM
My question: How does The Donald respond? Did his speech writing staff screw up? Did his wife screw up? :impatient:
Post by: puniraptor on July 19, 2016, 02:02:31 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 19, 2016, 08:18:53 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 19, 2016, 08:31:22 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 19, 2016, 08:39:06 AM
Not that that is a good thing, but that quite clearly appears to be what's going on.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 19, 2016, 08:40:15 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 19, 2016, 08:41:43 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 19, 2016, 08:42:20 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on July 19, 2016, 08:44:56 AM
At this point, I think it's fair to say Camp Trump is trolling the crap out of the left and the media.
Not that that is a good thing, but that quite clearly appears to be what's going on.
:ROFL:
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 19, 2016, 09:49:34 AM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 19, 2016, 10:24:03 AM
By far the most interesting part of Melania's speech was not the "plagiarism," but the rickroll.
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He will never, ever, give up. And, most importantly, he will never, ever, let you down.
Either Melania or the speechwriter is trolling America, and either way it's pretty funny.
Post by: catastrophe on July 19, 2016, 10:29:45 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 19, 2016, 10:33:12 AM
There's no possible way the stuff he is doing is an accident, it is not possible, it has to be deliberate. Putting the mom of the benghazi guy on stage to point the finger at hillary, so over the top and right out of the leftist playbook. The reactions he gets further his narrative and make him the center of attention. It's sinister, but brilliant.
Look at dipshits like Andrew Sullivan groveling in their own hypocrisy. They don't know what to do, so they make wild accusations like trump is "destroying democracy". :ROFL:
Post by: stunted on July 19, 2016, 10:37:47 AM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 19, 2016, 10:40:41 AM
Quite a contrast. But Hillary never has had a problem with lying, so I doubt it matters to her that she is perpetuating a false narrative that is making urban areas less safe and killing innocent police officers.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 19, 2016, 10:41:00 AM
As I actually look at the transcripts, this is a pretty weak case of plagiarism. It looks like a whopping two sentences were more less copied, but with a little repackaging, and the sentiments expressed are hardly novel. It looks like the speechwriter got a little too lazy but I'm not sure it even meets the technical definition of plagiarism (if we're using a Clinton word parsing standard).
By far the most interesting part of Melania's speech was not the "plagiarism," but the rickroll.QuoteHe will never, ever, give up. And, most importantly, he will never, ever, let you down.
Either Melania or the speechwriter is trolling America, and either way it's pretty funny.
When she said that, I assumed the speechwriter was trolling the Trumps.
Post by: michigancat on July 19, 2016, 10:56:11 AM
He rough ridin' owns the media and the left, and they don't even know it.
There's no possible way the stuff he is doing is an accident, it is not possible, it has to be deliberate. Putting the mom of the benghazi guy on stage to point the finger at hillary, so over the top and right out of the leftist playbook. The reactions he gets further his narrative and make him the center of attention. It's sinister, but brilliant.
Look at dipshits like Andrew Sullivan groveling in their own hypocrisy. They don't know what to do, so they make wild accusations like trump is "destroying democracy". :ROFL:
Hes playing 4d chess, media is playing tic tac toe
Yes, Trump puts a Benghazi victim's mom at the podium - Hillary plans to put the mom of thug and phony victim Michael Brown at the podium.:love: :love: :love:
Quite a contrast. But Hillary never has had a problem with lying, so I doubt it matters to her that she is perpetuating a false narrative that is making urban areas less safe and killing innocent police officers.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 19, 2016, 10:58:37 AM
Post by: catastrophe on July 19, 2016, 11:01:09 AM
The right is absolutely melting down because the left is laughing at them. This is reminiscent of ku removing the track
That doesn't make sense. The left has been laughing ever since Trump made it onto the debate stage.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 19, 2016, 11:04:44 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 19, 2016, 11:06:17 AM
Post by: Kat Kid on July 19, 2016, 11:07:46 AM
It is fine to think that Melania saying some cliches that Michelle also said is not a big deal (it isn't a big deal), but the messaging over the past week has been terrible and all over the place. If this was someone competent, it would've been a deafening drum beat of why Hillary Clinton can not be president from a non-stop parade of respectable people.
As someone who does not like Hillary, it is incredibly frustrating to not have someone that I could ever consider voting for running for the Republicans.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 19, 2016, 11:09:17 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 19, 2016, 11:12:22 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 19, 2016, 11:14:42 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 19, 2016, 11:21:52 AM
WackyCat08, go away, you have no clue what is going onOh man, sure thing lil bro. :lol:
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 19, 2016, 11:30:31 AM
Last night and the fallout is far more comical than any debate. Republicans staged a 4 hours of hate and everyone is laughing at them for it. It was perfect
Oh man, lib7 is wetting his pants :lol:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 19, 2016, 11:31:22 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 19, 2016, 11:33:59 AM
If I wanted Trump to win, I would be pretty pissed that he can't go a single day without stepping in it. Rudy threw out the good red meat, but other than that, what has he done that has furthered the case against Hillary since she was publicly shamed by the FBI director? Why was tonight not spent actually prosecuting that case? Why was the rollout on 60 minutes not spent actually prosecuting that case?
It is fine to think that Melania saying some cliches that Michelle also said is not a big deal (it isn't a big deal), but the messaging over the past week has been terrible and all over the place. If this was someone competent, it would've been a deafening drum beat of why Hillary Clinton can not be president from a non-stop parade of respectable people.
As someone who does not like Hillary, it is incredibly frustrating to not have someone that I could ever consider voting for running for the Republicans.
Your premise is basically that Trump should be running triple I formation, instead of inverted wishbone.
Staying "on message" was only important when people could pay attention for more than 15 seconds. The unwashed masses decide elections and they're nothing but clickbait. The left figured this out circa 2006. Trump figured it out. The pubs still haven't figured it out.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 19, 2016, 11:37:00 AM
If I wanted Trump to win, I would be pretty pissed that he can't go a single day without stepping in it. Rudy threw out the good red meat, but other than that, what has he done that has furthered the case against Hillary since she was publicly shamed by the FBI director? Why was tonight not spent actually prosecuting that case? Why was the rollout on 60 minutes not spent actually prosecuting that case?
It is fine to think that Melania saying some cliches that Michelle also said is not a big deal (it isn't a big deal), but the messaging over the past week has been terrible and all over the place. If this was someone competent, it would've been a deafening drum beat of why Hillary Clinton can not be president from a non-stop parade of respectable people.
As someone who does not like Hillary, it is incredibly frustrating to not have someone that I could ever consider voting for running for the Republicans.
I agree with all of this. The theme last night has security. "Make America Safe Again." I'm not sure what the theme is tonight. But let's be honest - about the only thing most Americans will tune in for is Trump's speech. If he doesn't spend a portion of it laying out the case against Hillary, he will have missed an opportunity. And the I suspect he will mess this up, because he doesn't appear to have the (really minimal) intelligence to make the case against her malfeasance.
The speech will be interesting. The debates will be interesting. But this race is different because Trump is taking a page out of the Dem playbook by seriously dumbing down the GOP message to a few visceral themes. We're not going to see any eloquent higher level debate this time around. its going to be "war on women," "build the wall, blah blah blah.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 19, 2016, 11:38:00 AM
Did you hear what he said!?!? To twitter to hyperbolize it!?!? OMG, he's going to reinstate slavery!?!? Let's publicize the crap out Donald while making ourselves look horified.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 19, 2016, 11:45:02 AM
:love:
Post by: ChiComCat on July 19, 2016, 11:46:56 AM
To win this election, either candidate needs to
A)Convince their base to show up
B)Convince America the other option is so distasteful that enough independents/moderates show up to vote for someone they don't like
Trump wasted free headlines that could've helped accomplish either
Post by: Kat Kid on July 19, 2016, 11:47:39 AM
If I wanted Trump to win, I would be pretty pissed that he can't go a single day without stepping in it. Rudy threw out the good red meat, but other than that, what has he done that has furthered the case against Hillary since she was publicly shamed by the FBI director? Why was tonight not spent actually prosecuting that case? Why was the rollout on 60 minutes not spent actually prosecuting that case?
It is fine to think that Melania saying some cliches that Michelle also said is not a big deal (it isn't a big deal), but the messaging over the past week has been terrible and all over the place. If this was someone competent, it would've been a deafening drum beat of why Hillary Clinton can not be president from a non-stop parade of respectable people.
As someone who does not like Hillary, it is incredibly frustrating to not have someone that I could ever consider voting for running for the Republicans.
Your premise is basically that Trump should be running triple I formation, instead of inverted wishbone.
Staying "on message" was only important when people could pay attention for more than 15 seconds. The unwashed masses decide elections and they're nothing but clickbait. The left figured this out circa 2006. Trump figured it out. The pubs still haven't figured it out.
I guess. I seem to remember the 2004 convention being long on swift boat veterans for truth and that being an extremely effective at undermining John Kerry after he did his salute and tried to play up his Vietnam war service in contrast to Bush. It was pretty devastating to the cornerstone of Kerry's case. So far, Trump has no coherent message that surrogates and supporters can use in public. There is a really easy pivot for each of them to use to get out of the media's constant attempts at "Trump said...what is your reaction?" but I've seen lots and lots of people actually on the Trump payroll look really bad because they don't have a good pivot to an attack on Hillary and they actually get bogged down in that.
I just don't find any evidence at all that Trump is running a competent campaign. Look, it is certainly possible that despite himself Trump gets elected because Hillary is so unpopular and there is an additional bombshell out there. But at this rate, that seems very unlikely both on the fundamentals of the race (voting by demographics/states) and on the substance of the race (the complete lack of Trump ads, the fumbles of the rollout/convention thus far, the lack of good messaging).
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 19, 2016, 11:50:27 AM
As I actually look at the transcripts, this is a pretty weak case of plagiarism. It looks like a whopping two sentences were more less copied, but with a little repackaging, and the sentiments expressed are hardly novel. It looks like the speechwriter got a little too lazy but I'm not sure it even meets the technical definition of plagiarism (if we're using a Clinton word parsing standard).
By far the most interesting part of Melania's speech was not the "plagiarism," but the rickroll.QuoteHe will never, ever, give up. And, most importantly, he will never, ever, let you down.
Either Melania or the speechwriter is trolling America, and either way it's pretty funny.
Yes, I want my candidate to troll me. awesome
Post by: DQ12 on July 19, 2016, 11:51:52 AM
Post by: Kat Kid on July 19, 2016, 11:53:20 AM
If I wanted Trump to win, I would be pretty pissed that he can't go a single day without stepping in it. Rudy threw out the good red meat, but other than that, what has he done that has furthered the case against Hillary since she was publicly shamed by the FBI director? Why was tonight not spent actually prosecuting that case? Why was the rollout on 60 minutes not spent actually prosecuting that case?
It is fine to think that Melania saying some cliches that Michelle also said is not a big deal (it isn't a big deal), but the messaging over the past week has been terrible and all over the place. If this was someone competent, it would've been a deafening drum beat of why Hillary Clinton can not be president from a non-stop parade of respectable people.
As someone who does not like Hillary, it is incredibly frustrating to not have someone that I could ever consider voting for running for the Republicans.
I agree with all of this. The theme last night has security. "Make America Safe Again." I'm not sure what the theme is tonight. But let's be honest - about the only thing most Americans will tune in for is Trump's speech. If he doesn't spend a portion of it laying out the case against Hillary, he will have missed an opportunity. And the I suspect he will mess this up, because he doesn't appear to have the (really minimal) intelligence to make the case against her malfeasance.
The speech will be interesting. The debates will be interesting. But this race is different because Trump is taking a page out of the Dem playbook by seriously dumbing down the GOP message to a few visceral themes. We're not going to see any eloquent higher level debate this time around. its going to be "war on women," "build the wall, blah blah blah.
The debates will be unbelievable. I just fundamentally disagree that Trump has effectively dumbed down the GOP message to a few visceral themes. They haven't carried because he rambles. He would be much more effective if he could stay on message:
"MAGA"
"Law and Order"
"Build the Wall"
"Jobs, Manufacturing jobs, penalties for companies"
"China, Negotiate better trade deals"
"Hillary emails"
"Benghazi"
"Iraq judgement"
"Win again, respect from the world"
"MAGA"
But he doesn't do that and his surrogates don't do that.
Post by: catastrophe on July 19, 2016, 11:55:45 AM
if you're a republican and you're not embarrassed by the bullshit that has existed throughout this election, then I don't know what to tell you. I certainly think it's embarrassing.
Yea, but it's almost like, if you stuck it out this long on the Republican ticket, what could possibly get you to turn away?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 19, 2016, 11:58:58 AM
if you're a republican and you're not embarrassed by the bullshit that has existed throughout this election, then I don't know what to tell you. I certainly think it's embarrassing.You could say this for either side.
Post by: chum1 on July 19, 2016, 12:02:31 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 19, 2016, 12:05:38 PM
I can't imagine how Trump won't look horrible in a Presidential debate. In contrast to the primary debates, candidates have to be familiar with way more issues, talk much longer, and go into much greater detail. I mean, he's not going to be able to just talk over Clinton, repeating "LIAR, CRIMINAL HILLARY" for 90 minutes. I don't know if Trump is capable of handling it. We'll see!
Did he ever do a debate in the primary with less than 4 people? I know when it came down to Ted and him he canceled the rest of the debates. It will certainly be interesting to see his strategy
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 19, 2016, 01:28:57 PM
I can't imagine how Trump won't look horrible in a Presidential debate. In contrast to the primary debates, candidates have to be familiar with way more issues, talk much longer, and go into much greater detail. I mean, he's not going to be able to just talk over Clinton, repeating "LIAR, CRIMINAL HILLARY" for 90 minutes. I don't know if Trump is capable of handling it. We'll see!
Did he ever do a debate in the primary with less than 4 people? I know when it came down to Ted and him he canceled the rest of the debates. It will certainly be interesting to see his strategy
It is going to be amazing.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 19, 2016, 01:39:17 PM
https://twitter.com/ditzkoff/status/755455836240089088
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 19, 2016, 01:39:50 PM
I can't imagine how Trump won't look horrible in a Presidential debate. In contrast to the primary debates, candidates have to be familiar with way more issues, talk much longer, and go into much greater detail. I mean, he's not going to be able to just talk over Clinton, repeating "LIAR, CRIMINAL HILLARY" for 90 minutes. I don't know if Trump is capable of handling it. We'll see!
All you have to do is imagine him debating against hillary clinton. Saying liar to everything she says when be arguably accurate every time.
I'm surprised how reluctant the left is to acknowledge that this is a cripple fight of historic proportions.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 19, 2016, 02:01:43 PM
https://www.facebook.com/donaldtrumppresident/videos/606879372808623/
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 19, 2016, 02:14:57 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 19, 2016, 02:28:13 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 19, 2016, 02:44:14 PM
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Trump’s wife joins Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and Joe Biden as accused plagiarists. Even Michelle Obama was accused of plagiarizing part of her own 2008 DNC speech.…
Barack Obama: “Don’t tell me words don’t matter.” As then-Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) surpassed Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary, largely on the strength of his oratory, Clinton said that Obama’s record was “just words.” Obama responded in a speech whose refrain was lifted from then-Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick. The Obama campaign did not even bother to refute the claim. Instead, it circulated examples of lines that it said Clinton herself had borrowed from Obama. The left media defended Obama, saying that he had not committed plagiarism, but merely, at worst, “poor footnoting.”
Post by: star seed 7 on July 19, 2016, 02:54:09 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 19, 2016, 02:54:28 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 19, 2016, 02:57:49 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 19, 2016, 02:58:28 PM
4d chess game
Post by: sys on July 19, 2016, 03:08:48 PM
people subliminally equate Melania with being the first lady.
that kinda works, actually.
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on July 19, 2016, 03:35:51 PM
Post by: chum1 on July 19, 2016, 06:17:11 PM
Post by: steve dave on July 19, 2016, 06:55:28 PM
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsTonight/status/755472151021428736
Amaze
Post by: bones129 on July 20, 2016, 12:03:49 AM
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsTonight/status/755472151021428736
Hilarious!
Post by: The Big Train on July 20, 2016, 11:38:12 AM
https://twitter.com/ap/status/755803531668549633
Post by: star seed 7 on June 12, 2017, 09:12:53 AM
Melania's parents look way too much like a British TV movie casting of her and Don.
Post by: SdK on June 12, 2017, 09:38:10 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 12, 2017, 01:41:16 PM
Some things just don't change.
SMDH
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Post by: steve dave on August 16, 2022, 08:08:55 AM
I get vibes that those two are almost never in the same room together.It was hilarious when trump posted that he just found out melania’s closet was trashed by the fbi agents like days after the fbi raided the place, lmao
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Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on August 16, 2022, 01:31:52 PM
She has the most to gain right? whatever $$ he has and, more importantly, he is goneIs there another famous person who despises their spouse as much as Melania?
Post by: OB_Won on August 16, 2022, 03:01:50 PM
(OJ and Robert Blake exit conversation)She has the most to gain right? whatever $$ he has and, more importantly, he is goneIs there another famous person who despises their spouse as much as Melania?