Frank

[Mixed-Nutz]

Emotionally Frank is better off being a nomad coach. It isn't our problem.

[michigancat]

Frank would have kept the ship a float, but he was starting to have a few leaks, and was going to spend a lot of time trying to patch it up and push the water overboard. His recruiting was so, so. Angel was great tho.

What were the leaks? His recruiting was improving.

His offensive schemes were struggling once Pullen left. He struggled in managing "his own players" at times. Also, Pullens last year was an embarrassment under his watch. He totally mismanaged that season. Also, he crumbled once Currie called him out on the Samuels issue. He pointed fingers, instead of taking acceptance. Totally against what he preached. He had to rely on Underwood to take over the offense. He had a lot of team issues in house and his recruits were underwhelming. We almost had moose for Christ sakes who is shameful for USC. He panicked and jumped ship cause times were getting tough and he thought his boss was a meany for playing by the rule book.

He had one year after Pullen left and the offense was about the same (see ching's graph). Letting Underwood take over the offense was an AWESOME move. His recruiting was improving - beat out good teams for Angel and Upshaw. You're right about him kinda being a pussy about leaving, though.

[bones129]

Whatever. I hope that Brad gets the chance to come home.

[uncle clean jeans]

Worst case we lose Will, keep angel and frank.  Would take.

We would of lost Angel a year earlier. Shane and Nino would of been franked. Will would of transferred.

Where the eff do you guys come up with this crap?

Leticia Romero's statement about Angel puts Franks departure in a new light, it indicates the KSU AD isn't on the up and up when it comes to granting transfers to the atheletes it wants to keep. If Art or anyone else did want a transfer under Frank, Currie basically had to grant it on the grounds that Frank was/is a maniac. However, letting Frank go could give the athletic department much more leverage to retain good players on the grounds they "try it out" for at least a season. We know with certainty Shane and Will were gone if Frank stayed. If Art was ready to get out Frank's departure may very well have let Currie get one more year out of him.

I think anyone who believes Frank could have stayed at KSU more than one year max is being a bit naive, and again, if losing half the roster was the price it wouldn't have been worth it (for the record I love Frank). I don't like John Currie, but bringing in a new coach at that moment may have been the wisest possible decision and that's what he did. That said, as long as he's the guy hiring coaches I think we're screwed.

[bones129]

 

[Trim]

When you have reservations about whether K-State's best coach in decades can keep it going, combined with oscar WEBER having just been fired into the open market, it's really a no-brainer to make that move.

[chum1]

If it's meant to be, he'll come back.

[MakeItRain]

Hating on oscar for what this team is doing now is warranted and deserved, but discounting a league title for your own school because you don't like the coach seems really dumb.

That might be the saddest thing about all of this.  The best two years in 'modern' KSU BBall are downplayed from either side.  The ones who dislike Frank crap on the elite 8 run, and those who bemoan the hiring of oscar run down the league title.

Yeah, its strange. I guess I'm one of the few that count the Elite 8 and the Big 12 title as the best 2 K-State basketball seasons I've experienced. To me K-State basketball has always been bigger than the coach whether I like him or not. I really liked Frank a lot and the brand he meant for K-State while he was here and it was a lot of fun, but he's never coming back. Granted, I'll pay more attention to what he does than some other SEC basketball coach, but I'm not going to care that much either way about his successes or failures.

Forgive my language, but all of three of these posts are total bullshit. No one is discounting a Big 12 title and there isn't a defined line on this board of people who love Frank and hate oscar and will never accept him. There is nothing wrong with stating that you enjoyed the Elite 8 year better than the conference championship year. I mean the regular seasons  and Big 12 tournament were identical, but K-State didn't lose at home to ISU in '13 and Kansas didn't gag the last night of the '10 season. The lasting impression or each season was a run to the Elite 8 in '10 and what essentially was a home loss to Lasalle in '13. So if you're asking what people are going to prefer, of course they will trade a home win against McNeck's ISU team to all that came with the Elite 8 run. No one is giving back that Big 12 trophy but we all know what it was, right? Let's not pretend that was some awe-inspiring feat.

The only people drawing lines are wacky and dax, it happens time after time after time. We can't talk about the guy who was the most successful basketball coach in our basketball watching lifetimes here because two posters have been having a three year long temper tantrum.  Why won't you guys just call them out for being ass hats instead of pretending like the posters on this board fit on two sides of a line that exclude the two of you? I have literally yet to see the poster on here advocate for giving that Big 12 championship back. I'm guessing it would have been looked more favorably upon if we didn't lose the day we won it, KU didn't kick our asses three times, and we didn't have to rely on Baylor after everyone had given up hope.

[mocat]

oscar webber would of one the title with angle last year, fact

Would of, could of, should of...

Unbelievable

[kso_FAN]

Right before my post was this one, I just didn't quote it. It seems a lot like saying the league title was pretty worthless mostly because EMAWican doesn't like oscar.

It took a fluke loss (KU @WVU) for Weber to "earn" his Big XII Championship because he couldn't earn it with his coaching or by winning.

Also, I never said anyone should enjoy one over the other. I thought the Elite 8 was more fun than the league title as well, but winning the league even under the circumstances was fun because it hasn't happened in so long. The disappointing part of that season for me was getting La Salled.

[EMAWican]

I enjoyed the Big XII championship and wasn't critical of oscar that year until after La Salle. You're right that I don't like oscar at KSU FANman. After that year I realized how much of a losery way it was to win a Dr. Pepper, in my opinion. The Elite 8 run was tangible in that I could be a part of the games, and winning determined the end result. Yes, oscar's team was enjoyable to watch that year, but at the end it left a metallic taste in my mouth that we had to rely on another team to give us a Dr. P because we couldn't take it for ourselves. And co-champs with a team that we couldn't even beat once just makes that metallic taste progress into a stroke.

[420seriouscat69]

Frank would have kept the ship a float, but he was starting to have a few leaks, and was going to spend a lot of time trying to patch it up and push the water overboard. His recruiting was so, so. Angel was great tho.

What were the leaks? His recruiting was improving.

His offensive schemes were struggling once Pullen left. He struggled in managing "his own players" at times. Also, Pullens last year was an embarrassment under his watch. He totally mismanaged that season. Also, he crumbled once Currie called him out on the Samuels issue. He pointed fingers, instead of taking acceptance. Totally against what he preached. He had to rely on Underwood to take over the offense. He had a lot of team issues in house and his recruits were underwhelming. We almost had moose for Christ sakes who is shameful for USC. He panicked and jumped ship cause times were getting tough and he thought his boss was a meany for playing by the rule book.

He had one year after Pullen left and the offense was about the same (see ching's graph). Letting Underwood take over the offense was an AWESOME move. His recruiting was improving - beat out good teams for Angel and Upshaw. You're right about him kinda being a pussy about leaving, though.

Fair.

[kso_FAN]

I enjoyed the Big XII championship and wasn't critical of oscar that year until after La Salle. You're right that I don't like oscar at KSU FANman. After that year I realized how much of a losery way it was to win a Dr. Pepper, in my opinion. The Elite 8 run was tangible in that I could be a part of the games, and winning determined the end result. Yes, oscar's team was enjoyable to watch that year, but at the end it left a metallic taste in my mouth that we had to rely on another team to give us a Dr. P because we couldn't take it for ourselves. And co-champs with a team that we couldn't even beat once just makes that metallic taste progress into a stroke.

That's fair. I'm more patient than most, but I'm wavering on oscar as well.

[kso_FAN]

I enjoyed the Big XII championship and wasn't critical of oscar that year until after La Salle. You're right that I don't like oscar at KSU FANman. After that year I realized how much of a losery way it was to win a Dr. Pepper, in my opinion. The Elite 8 run was tangible in that I could be a part of the games, and winning determined the end result. Yes, oscar's team was enjoyable to watch that year, but at the end it left a metallic taste in my mouth that we had to rely on another team to give us a Dr. P because we couldn't take it for ourselves. And co-champs with a team that we couldn't even beat once just makes that metallic taste progress into a stroke.

That's fair. I'm more patient than most, but I'm wavering on oscar as well.

[sonofdaxjones]

I'm still stunned at cRusty's Robert Upshaw nail and hanging Frank's recruiting coat on it.

How many schools backed off because they knew they'd never get him in?

[michigancat]

I'm still stunned at cRusty's Robert Upshaw nail and hanging Frank's recruiting coat on it.

How many schools backed off because they knew they'd never get him in?

none

[420seriouscat69]

Are we ready to call Robert Upshaw a good recruit tho? I mean, I know he's on the rise this year, but his numbers will be pretty comparable to Hurt.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/players/116424/

[Tobias]

Are we ready to call Robert Upshaw a good recruit tho?

yes

[420seriouscat69]

Are we ready to call Robert Upshaw a good recruit tho? I mean, I know he's on the rise this year, but his numbers will be pretty comparable to Hurt.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/players/116424/

"It was heartbreaking," Sherman said. "We had taken our time to look for a perfect fit for Rob, and Kansas State was everything we were looking for. We were ready to move to Kansas. We were ready. It was frustrating when it happened because we were going to Kansas State because of Frank Martin. Once he left, we had to open the recruitment back up."

Good job, Frank! 

[sys]

Are we ready to call Robert Upshaw a good recruit tho? I mean, I know he's on the rise this year, but his numbers will be pretty comparable to Hurt.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/players/116424/

upshaw leads the country in blocked shot %, hurt is the only ncaa player listed at 6'10" and over to not record a single blocked shot.

[Trim]

No Upshaw home games while Gooch is in town next month.  We could've worn Frank shirts and waved a pak head. 

[ChiComCat]

Are we ready to call Robert Upshaw a good recruit tho? I mean, I know he's on the rise this year, but his numbers will be pretty comparable to Hurt.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/players/116424/

How are these in any way comparable to Hurt?

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=robert-upshaw&p1=stephen-hurt

[420seriouscat69]

Are we ready to call Robert Upshaw a good recruit tho? I mean, I know he's on the rise this year, but his numbers will be pretty comparable to Hurt.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/players/116424/

How are these in any way comparable to Hurt?

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=robert-upshaw&p1=stephen-hurt

Cause Hurt hit a three. 

[sys]

i think the thing i dislike about fanning is that he doesn't seem to realize how stupid he is.  how can he not know?

[michigancat]

rebounding rates are comparable