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« Reply #1075 on: April 29, 2024, 12:55:49 PM »
Also, attention SD. Is there anything better than the "scan lineup" feature in Gamechanger? My favorite thing is going up to the other team and they hand me a paper lineup. I'm like, i'm about to blow your rough ridin' mind pal.

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« Reply #1076 on: April 29, 2024, 12:57:17 PM »
Also, attention SD. Is there anything better than the "scan lineup" feature in Gamechanger? My favorite thing is going up to the other team and they hand me a paper lineup. I'm like, i'm about to blow your rough ridin' mind pal.

our GC parent loves it for sure

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« Reply #1077 on: May 02, 2024, 09:37:42 AM »
Hey SD. Do you guys do league play in Omaha? Right now we are doing league and 2 tournaments a month. I actually like league as its a little more laid back, but we are starting to get to the point where all the decent teams have left league play so we just kick the living crap out of everyone. They were talking about it last night as we were watching the other team kick the ball all over the place and walk almost everyone. Lil SF had 3 great at bats and was on base all three times so that was awesome, but other than that it kind of sucks. I guess this is a normal occurrence here around 10-11 years old and good teams just play tournaments every weekend.  :sdeek:

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« Reply #1078 on: May 02, 2024, 10:26:26 AM »
Hey SD. Do you guys do league play in Omaha? Right now we are doing league and 2 tournaments a month. I actually like league as its a little more laid back, but we are starting to get to the point where all the decent teams have left league play so we just kick the living crap out of everyone. They were talking about it last night as we were watching the other team kick the ball all over the place and walk almost everyone. Lil SF had 3 great at bats and was on base all three times so that was awesome, but other than that it kind of sucks. I guess this is a normal occurrence here around 10-11 years old and good teams just play tournaments every weekend.  :sdeek:

We have never played in a league. We have ~30 "weekday games" (sometimes played on weekends we don't have a tournament) where we put our own schedule together and do home and homes with other local USSSA teams. It's just contacting coaches for other teams and trading field slots to play each other. All the local organizations have their own fields they own or lease and every team gets a certain number of field slots. Our organization gets together and drafts field slots and times amongst all the coaches. So like our 11U and 12U teams play on the same sized field. We have like 5 fields in our organization that are that size. We draft days and times for the fields. Do a random pick for draft order, last pick gets to pick twice and reverse back through the order. Then we contact other local coaches we know or want to play and trade slots to set our weekday schedules around our tournament schedule. We are playing in 8 tournaments this summer plus the 30 or so regular games. Like half of our late march and early april games end up cancelled for either it being super cold or wet so that 30 generally gets cut down to 22 or so for the year. Our weekday games are glorified scrimmages. Work kids into positions they aren't your starter at, get kids who don't normally pitch on the mound, get your starters some bullpen sessions (single innings). We also keep a running batting order for those games. So we carry 11 kids and whoever was the last out the game before bats last the next game. It evens out the ABs amongst the team so your front line hitters aren't getting 1/3 more ABs by the end of the season. So lil sd bats 2nd currently but he would bat last in a weekday game if he was the last out the game before. These games count towards nothing, only USSSA games (tournament games) matter for your ranking/points. We do run into some clubs that play their weekday games like it's game 7 of the WS. I can name like 5 programs locally that beat us most times during weekday games that we have never lost to in a tournament. I'm pretty competitive so "losing" those meaningless games we should never lose is a hard thing for me to deal with sometimes but I also know it's the right thing to do developmentally for our kids. Like our current record on Gamechanger is 0.500 but we've played in two tournaments and our only losses are in both championship games so far. We actually run ruled one of those teams I mentioned 8-0 in pool play of our last one. Gave up 1 hit.

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« Reply #1079 on: May 02, 2024, 10:32:56 AM »
Like next weekend we don't have a tournament but we have a double header (we are required to draft 2 DH field slots each season according to our organization). We know the coaches of this club well so we are going to play our "1s" in the first game and do a developmental game in game 2. We do that sometimes when we have a gap between tournaments. But we also like to coordinate with the other coaches (unless we hate their guts) to do stuff like that so we don't look like a bunch of daddy ball try hards.

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« Reply #1080 on: May 02, 2024, 11:01:19 AM »
Wow, that seems like a huge PITA. We just do the same thing, but let the league do all the logistical stuff you have to manually do. That is pretty much exactly how our coach does league play so that's pretty cool. Lil SF bats toward the bottom and has gotten really unlucky with at bats so far this year. He has been on deck like 4 times when something has happened and he didn't get to hit. Tuesday night the storms in KC were coming in and i'll be honest, the 3 and 2 folks were pretty much waiting for a kid to get zapped before they cancelled the game. He was up and his DA friend got picked off ending the inning. He then got up and after the first pitch, they finally called the game. Coach had him bat at the top for the next game to get him and others more at bats. Even when coach does stuff like that we still kick the crap out of most teams in league play so I'm guessing if we are still on this team next year, we won't do league, but who knows. Tourneys can be brutal. I love it mostly, but its giving up a whole weekend so adding more will be tough.

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« Reply #1081 on: May 02, 2024, 12:37:04 PM »
Wow, that seems like a huge PITA. We just do the same thing, but let the league do all the logistical stuff you have to manually do. That is pretty much exactly how our coach does league play so that's pretty cool. Lil SF bats toward the bottom and has gotten really unlucky with at bats so far this year. He has been on deck like 4 times when something has happened and he didn't get to hit. Tuesday night the storms in KC were coming in and i'll be honest, the 3 and 2 folks were pretty much waiting for a kid to get zapped before they cancelled the game. He was up and his DA friend got picked off ending the inning. He then got up and after the first pitch, they finally called the game. Coach had him bat at the top for the next game to get him and others more at bats. Even when coach does stuff like that we still kick the crap out of most teams in league play so I'm guessing if we are still on this team next year, we won't do league, but who knows. Tourneys can be brutal. I love it mostly, but its giving up a whole weekend so adding more will be tough.

It's not that big of a PITA and it's a very small tradeoff to being able to have complete control over our schedule. Date, Time, Location, Opponent, etc. I don't think a league would even be feasible for us. Also I don't know of any competitive spring/summer leagues in Omaha. All the leagues are just rec (which it sounds like maybe what your team is in since they're beating the doors off teams?). I know some of our peers will put together teams to play fall competitive leagues but we have too many kids playing football to make it work.

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« Reply #1082 on: May 02, 2024, 12:45:10 PM »
Wow, that seems like a huge PITA. We just do the same thing, but let the league do all the logistical stuff you have to manually do. That is pretty much exactly how our coach does league play so that's pretty cool. Lil SF bats toward the bottom and has gotten really unlucky with at bats so far this year. He has been on deck like 4 times when something has happened and he didn't get to hit. Tuesday night the storms in KC were coming in and i'll be honest, the 3 and 2 folks were pretty much waiting for a kid to get zapped before they cancelled the game. He was up and his DA friend got picked off ending the inning. He then got up and after the first pitch, they finally called the game. Coach had him bat at the top for the next game to get him and others more at bats. Even when coach does stuff like that we still kick the crap out of most teams in league play so I'm guessing if we are still on this team next year, we won't do league, but who knows. Tourneys can be brutal. I love it mostly, but its giving up a whole weekend so adding more will be tough.

It's not that big of a PITA and it's a very small tradeoff to being able to have complete control over our schedule. Date, Time, Location, Opponent, etc. I don't think a league would even be feasible for us. Also I don't know of any competitive spring/summer leagues in Omaha. All the leagues are just rec (which it sounds like maybe what your team is in since they're beating the doors off teams?). I know some of our peers will put together teams to play fall competitive leagues but we have too many kids playing football to make it work.

yeah, its def gotten to be more of a "rec" league as they've gotten older. Your situation sounds pretty good being able to play teams you know. No one is having any fun out there for an hour 45 when the other team is walking everyone. They do max 5 runs per inning but no run rule. So basically if you are up by 16 after the 4th, the game is over because the other team can't catch up. Those games suck ass. Its def not every game, but its getting more and more like that.

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« Reply #1083 on: May 02, 2024, 12:53:03 PM »
Wow, that seems like a huge PITA. We just do the same thing, but let the league do all the logistical stuff you have to manually do. That is pretty much exactly how our coach does league play so that's pretty cool. Lil SF bats toward the bottom and has gotten really unlucky with at bats so far this year. He has been on deck like 4 times when something has happened and he didn't get to hit. Tuesday night the storms in KC were coming in and i'll be honest, the 3 and 2 folks were pretty much waiting for a kid to get zapped before they cancelled the game. He was up and his DA friend got picked off ending the inning. He then got up and after the first pitch, they finally called the game. Coach had him bat at the top for the next game to get him and others more at bats. Even when coach does stuff like that we still kick the crap out of most teams in league play so I'm guessing if we are still on this team next year, we won't do league, but who knows. Tourneys can be brutal. I love it mostly, but its giving up a whole weekend so adding more will be tough.

It's not that big of a PITA and it's a very small tradeoff to being able to have complete control over our schedule. Date, Time, Location, Opponent, etc. I don't think a league would even be feasible for us. Also I don't know of any competitive spring/summer leagues in Omaha. All the leagues are just rec (which it sounds like maybe what your team is in since they're beating the doors off teams?). I know some of our peers will put together teams to play fall competitive leagues but we have too many kids playing football to make it work.

yeah, its def gotten to be more of a "rec" league as they've gotten older. Your situation sounds pretty good being able to play teams you know. No one is having any fun out there for an hour 45 when the other team is walking everyone. They do max 5 runs per inning but no run rule. So basically if you are up by 16 after the 4th, the game is over because the other team can't catch up. Those games suck ass. Its def not every game, but its getting more and more like that.

yeah, that sounds awful. we play USSSA rules for all games. run rule is 15 after 3 or 8 after 4.

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« Reply #1084 on: May 02, 2024, 01:01:08 PM »
Wow, that seems like a huge PITA. We just do the same thing, but let the league do all the logistical stuff you have to manually do. That is pretty much exactly how our coach does league play so that's pretty cool. Lil SF bats toward the bottom and has gotten really unlucky with at bats so far this year. He has been on deck like 4 times when something has happened and he didn't get to hit. Tuesday night the storms in KC were coming in and i'll be honest, the 3 and 2 folks were pretty much waiting for a kid to get zapped before they cancelled the game. He was up and his DA friend got picked off ending the inning. He then got up and after the first pitch, they finally called the game. Coach had him bat at the top for the next game to get him and others more at bats. Even when coach does stuff like that we still kick the crap out of most teams in league play so I'm guessing if we are still on this team next year, we won't do league, but who knows. Tourneys can be brutal. I love it mostly, but its giving up a whole weekend so adding more will be tough.

It's not that big of a PITA and it's a very small tradeoff to being able to have complete control over our schedule. Date, Time, Location, Opponent, etc. I don't think a league would even be feasible for us. Also I don't know of any competitive spring/summer leagues in Omaha. All the leagues are just rec (which it sounds like maybe what your team is in since they're beating the doors off teams?). I know some of our peers will put together teams to play fall competitive leagues but we have too many kids playing football to make it work.

yeah, its def gotten to be more of a "rec" league as they've gotten older. Your situation sounds pretty good being able to play teams you know. No one is having any fun out there for an hour 45 when the other team is walking everyone. They do max 5 runs per inning but no run rule. So basically if you are up by 16 after the 4th, the game is over because the other team can't catch up. Those games suck ass. Its def not every game, but its getting more and more like that.

yeah, that sounds awful. we play USSSA rules for all games. run rule is 15 after 3 or 8 after 4.

Yeah, run rule games suck as regardless. We play USSSA tourneys. No idea why league play is different.

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« Reply #1085 on: May 02, 2024, 03:50:42 PM »
it's our last water polo season (probably) and gearing up for summer tournaments there is drama as there usually is. Since there aren't enough girls at any one club, clubs will join forces to create more competitive teams. Anyway my daughter's club and another club were merging and planned to have an A team and a B team. At least that's what one of the coaches thought. There were 3 or 4 combined tournaments with one team and eventually the other coach (who was going to lead the A team in summer tourneys) thought it was going to be one big team with a huge bench while my daughter's coach thought there would be an A and a B team (so weaker players from both clubs could play a lot at an appropriate level).

The two team would have worked brilliantly EXCEPT the A team coach and/or his weaker players decided that his weaker players would not play on the B team, despite the fact that they clearly should based on ability. Which led to my daughter's coach pressuring my daughter (who was clearly an A-teamer) into playing with the B team to guarantee the weaker players of his club would have an opportunity to play on a more competitive team. Like, he tried to tell her she were depriving the weaker players of a chance to play at all and that the A-team coach didn't want her or have space for her when the A coach flat out told her he wanted her on the team and told them that they were depriving the weaker players of a chance to play. Really not cool.

anyway she is playing with the a-team in a couple of weeks and she will have a lot of fun (hopefully)

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« Reply #1086 on: May 02, 2024, 04:05:57 PM »
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« Reply #1087 on: May 02, 2024, 04:06:04 PM »
it's our last water polo season (probably) and gearing up for summer tournaments there is drama as there usually is. Since there aren't enough girls at any one club, clubs will join forces to create more competitive teams. Anyway my daughter's club and another club were merging and planned to have an A team and a B team. At least that's what one of the coaches thought. There were 3 or 4 combined tournaments with one team and eventually the other coach (who was going to lead the A team in summer tourneys) thought it was going to be one big team with a huge bench while my daughter's coach thought there would be an A and a B team (so weaker players from both clubs could play a lot at an appropriate level).

The two team would have worked brilliantly EXCEPT the A team coach and/or his weaker players decided that his weaker players would not play on the B team, despite the fact that they clearly should based on ability. Which led to my daughter's coach pressuring my daughter (who was clearly an A-teamer) into playing with the B team to guarantee the weaker players of his club would have an opportunity to play on a more competitive team. Like, he tried to tell her she were depriving the weaker players of a chance to play at all and that the A-team coach didn't want her or have space for her when the A coach flat out told her he wanted her on the team and told them that they were depriving the weaker players of a chance to play. Really not cool.

anyway she is playing with the a-team in a couple of weeks and she will have a lot of fun (hopefully)

Besides watching maybe 5 minutes of Olympic coverage of Water polo I have no idea how it works. What makes someone good a water polo?

Is it similar to football where people with all different body sizes (Lineman/receivers/etc) play at the same time in different positions?

Is it more similar to basketball where being tall is a huge advantage?

Are you swimming/treading water the whole time or can you touch the bottom when the ball is on the other side of the pool?

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« Reply #1088 on: May 02, 2024, 04:10:08 PM »
it's our last water polo season (probably) and gearing up for summer tournaments there is drama as there usually is. Since there aren't enough girls at any one club, clubs will join forces to create more competitive teams. Anyway my daughter's club and another club were merging and planned to have an A team and a B team. At least that's what one of the coaches thought. There were 3 or 4 combined tournaments with one team and eventually the other coach (who was going to lead the A team in summer tourneys) thought it was going to be one big team with a huge bench while my daughter's coach thought there would be an A and a B team (so weaker players from both clubs could play a lot at an appropriate level).

The two team would have worked brilliantly EXCEPT the A team coach and/or his weaker players decided that his weaker players would not play on the B team, despite the fact that they clearly should based on ability. Which led to my daughter's coach pressuring my daughter (who was clearly an A-teamer) into playing with the B team to guarantee the weaker players of his club would have an opportunity to play on a more competitive team. Like, he tried to tell her she were depriving the weaker players of a chance to play at all and that the A-team coach didn't want her or have space for her when the A coach flat out told her he wanted her on the team and told them that they were depriving the weaker players of a chance to play. Really not cool.

anyway she is playing with the a-team in a couple of weeks and she will have a lot of fun (hopefully)

I forgot to add that for many kids and parents NONE OF THEM had any of this communicated to them at all until rosters were sent out TWO WEEKS before they needed to be locked for the ENTIRE SUMMER. Everyone just thought there would be some clear communication from them but it never came. These two bozos are some of the worst communicators I've ever seen. They're trying to be diplomatic while also being petty and trying to be competitive while also protecting their own clubs. I also forgot to mention that the A-team coach brought in some ringers from outside the region (which didn't bump my daughter from A but definitely bumped some others)

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« Reply #1089 on: May 02, 2024, 04:13:58 PM »
it's our last water polo season (probably) and gearing up for summer tournaments there is drama as there usually is. Since there aren't enough girls at any one club, clubs will join forces to create more competitive teams. Anyway my daughter's club and another club were merging and planned to have an A team and a B team. At least that's what one of the coaches thought. There were 3 or 4 combined tournaments with one team and eventually the other coach (who was going to lead the A team in summer tourneys) thought it was going to be one big team with a huge bench while my daughter's coach thought there would be an A and a B team (so weaker players from both clubs could play a lot at an appropriate level).

The two team would have worked brilliantly EXCEPT the A team coach and/or his weaker players decided that his weaker players would not play on the B team, despite the fact that they clearly should based on ability. Which led to my daughter's coach pressuring my daughter (who was clearly an A-teamer) into playing with the B team to guarantee the weaker players of his club would have an opportunity to play on a more competitive team. Like, he tried to tell her she were depriving the weaker players of a chance to play at all and that the A-team coach didn't want her or have space for her when the A coach flat out told her he wanted her on the team and told them that they were depriving the weaker players of a chance to play. Really not cool.

anyway she is playing with the a-team in a couple of weeks and she will have a lot of fun (hopefully)

I forgot to add that for many kids and parents NONE OF THEM had any of this communicated to them at all until rosters were sent out TWO WEEKS before they needed to be locked for the ENTIRE SUMMER. Everyone just thought there would be some clear communication from them but it never came. These two bozos are some of the worst communicators I've ever seen. They're trying to be diplomatic while also being petty and trying to be competitive while also protecting their own clubs. I also forgot to mention that the A-team coach brought in some ringers from outside the region (which didn't bump my daughter from A but definitely bumped some others)

This whole situation sucks. You know who it sucks the most for? The kids that these idiots think they are looking out for.

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« Reply #1090 on: May 02, 2024, 04:16:28 PM »
it's our last water polo season (probably) and gearing up for summer tournaments there is drama as there usually is. Since there aren't enough girls at any one club, clubs will join forces to create more competitive teams. Anyway my daughter's club and another club were merging and planned to have an A team and a B team. At least that's what one of the coaches thought. There were 3 or 4 combined tournaments with one team and eventually the other coach (who was going to lead the A team in summer tourneys) thought it was going to be one big team with a huge bench while my daughter's coach thought there would be an A and a B team (so weaker players from both clubs could play a lot at an appropriate level).

The two team would have worked brilliantly EXCEPT the A team coach and/or his weaker players decided that his weaker players would not play on the B team, despite the fact that they clearly should based on ability. Which led to my daughter's coach pressuring my daughter (who was clearly an A-teamer) into playing with the B team to guarantee the weaker players of his club would have an opportunity to play on a more competitive team. Like, he tried to tell her she were depriving the weaker players of a chance to play at all and that the A-team coach didn't want her or have space for her when the A coach flat out told her he wanted her on the team and told them that they were depriving the weaker players of a chance to play. Really not cool.

anyway she is playing with the a-team in a couple of weeks and she will have a lot of fun (hopefully)

Besides watching maybe 5 minutes of Olympic coverage of Water polo I have no idea how it works. What makes someone good a water polo?

Is it similar to football where people with all different body sizes (Lineman/receivers/etc) play at the same time in different positions?

Is it more similar to basketball where being tall is a huge advantage?

Are you swimming/treading water the whole time or can you touch the bottom when the ball is on the other side of the pool?
Great questions! I will answer later!

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« Reply #1091 on: May 02, 2024, 05:01:35 PM »
it's our last water polo season (probably) and gearing up for summer tournaments there is drama as there usually is. Since there aren't enough girls at any one club, clubs will join forces to create more competitive teams. Anyway my daughter's club and another club were merging and planned to have an A team and a B team. At least that's what one of the coaches thought. There were 3 or 4 combined tournaments with one team and eventually the other coach (who was going to lead the A team in summer tourneys) thought it was going to be one big team with a huge bench while my daughter's coach thought there would be an A and a B team (so weaker players from both clubs could play a lot at an appropriate level).

The two team would have worked brilliantly EXCEPT the A team coach and/or his weaker players decided that his weaker players would not play on the B team, despite the fact that they clearly should based on ability. Which led to my daughter's coach pressuring my daughter (who was clearly an A-teamer) into playing with the B team to guarantee the weaker players of his club would have an opportunity to play on a more competitive team. Like, he tried to tell her she were depriving the weaker players of a chance to play at all and that the A-team coach didn't want her or have space for her when the A coach flat out told her he wanted her on the team and told them that they were depriving the weaker players of a chance to play. Really not cool.

anyway she is playing with the a-team in a couple of weeks and she will have a lot of fun (hopefully)

I forgot to add that for many kids and parents NONE OF THEM had any of this communicated to them at all until rosters were sent out TWO WEEKS before they needed to be locked for the ENTIRE SUMMER. Everyone just thought there would be some clear communication from them but it never came. These two bozos are some of the worst communicators I've ever seen. They're trying to be diplomatic while also being petty and trying to be competitive while also protecting their own clubs. I also forgot to mention that the A-team coach brought in some ringers from outside the region (which didn't bump my daughter from A but definitely bumped some others)

This whole situation sucks. You know who it sucks the most for? The kids that these idiots think they are looking out for.
do the coaches have daughters on these teams?

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« Reply #1092 on: May 02, 2024, 06:05:41 PM »
it's our last water polo season (probably) and gearing up for summer tournaments there is drama as there usually is. Since there aren't enough girls at any one club, clubs will join forces to create more competitive teams. Anyway my daughter's club and another club were merging and planned to have an A team and a B team. At least that's what one of the coaches thought. There were 3 or 4 combined tournaments with one team and eventually the other coach (who was going to lead the A team in summer tourneys) thought it was going to be one big team with a huge bench while my daughter's coach thought there would be an A and a B team (so weaker players from both clubs could play a lot at an appropriate level).

The two team would have worked brilliantly EXCEPT the A team coach and/or his weaker players decided that his weaker players would not play on the B team, despite the fact that they clearly should based on ability. Which led to my daughter's coach pressuring my daughter (who was clearly an A-teamer) into playing with the B team to guarantee the weaker players of his club would have an opportunity to play on a more competitive team. Like, he tried to tell her she were depriving the weaker players of a chance to play at all and that the A-team coach didn't want her or have space for her when the A coach flat out told her he wanted her on the team and told them that they were depriving the weaker players of a chance to play. Really not cool.

anyway she is playing with the a-team in a couple of weeks and she will have a lot of fun (hopefully)

I forgot to add that for many kids and parents NONE OF THEM had any of this communicated to them at all until rosters were sent out TWO WEEKS before they needed to be locked for the ENTIRE SUMMER. Everyone just thought there would be some clear communication from them but it never came. These two bozos are some of the worst communicators I've ever seen. They're trying to be diplomatic while also being petty and trying to be competitive while also protecting their own clubs. I also forgot to mention that the A-team coach brought in some ringers from outside the region (which didn't bump my daughter from A but definitely bumped some others)

This whole situation sucks. You know who it sucks the most for? The kids that these idiots think they are looking out for.
do the coaches have daughters on these teams?

No! One of them used to be a college coach and the other started his club from scratch. Water polo is a sport that has a lot of room to grow outside of California and I think they both genuinely love the sport and want it to grow but they both have a little too much pride and they both clearly suck at communication

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Re: competitive little kid sports
« Reply #1093 on: May 02, 2024, 06:47:52 PM »


it's our last water polo season (probably) and gearing up for summer tournaments there is drama as there usually is. Since there aren't enough girls at any one club, clubs will join forces to create more competitive teams. Anyway my daughter's club and another club were merging and planned to have an A team and a B team. At least that's what one of the coaches thought. There were 3 or 4 combined tournaments with one team and eventually the other coach (who was going to lead the A team in summer tourneys) thought it was going to be one big team with a huge bench while my daughter's coach thought there would be an A and a B team (so weaker players from both clubs could play a lot at an appropriate level).

The two team would have worked brilliantly EXCEPT the A team coach and/or his weaker players decided that his weaker players would not play on the B team, despite the fact that they clearly should based on ability. Which led to my daughter's coach pressuring my daughter (who was clearly an A-teamer) into playing with the B team to guarantee the weaker players of his club would have an opportunity to play on a more competitive team. Like, he tried to tell her she were depriving the weaker players of a chance to play at all and that the A-team coach didn't want her or have space for her when the A coach flat out told her he wanted her on the team and told them that they were depriving the weaker players of a chance to play. Really not cool.

anyway she is playing with the a-team in a couple of weeks and she will have a lot of fun (hopefully)

Besides watching maybe 5 minutes of Olympic coverage of Water polo I have no idea how it works. What makes someone good a water polo?

Is it similar to football where people with all different body sizes (Lineman/receivers/etc) play at the same time in different positions?

Is it more similar to basketball where being tall is a huge advantage?

Are you swimming/treading water the whole time or can you touch the bottom when the ball is on the other side of the pool?

Ok here we go!

Obviously they need to be a solid swimmer, but just being fast at like a 50m won't cut it. They need to be able to have good lateral movement, change of direction, and quick bursts in the water. Height is a definite advantage, but much less than you'd get in basketball, maybe with the exception of goalies. Leverage and strength in the water is also huge - imagine boxing someone out in the water- there is constant pushing, sealing, etc. and knowing how to use your body to get position is important.

In a regulation pool they need to read water all the time, but there are quite a few "shallow-deep" pools outside of California where you will be able to touch at one end - you just can't touch the bottom to make a play on or with the ball. It's tough to officiate.

As for positions, it's 6 on 6, and most set up on two rows of 3 with the offense centered around a player that sets up right in front of the goal, much like a post in basketball. They are generally the biggest/strongest player in the pool and so much strategy is centered around getting the ball or defending the post which is usually called "center", "set", "hole set", or "2 meter" because 2 meters is the closest they can get to the goal without the ball.

They're guarded by a "2m defender", "center d", or "set d" that also needs to be strong but also be able to be nimble in the water because they need to either push the set away from the goal, or front the set, or get on the other side of them when the ball is reversed. Depending on the defense, they might also need to block shots so height is good here.

One interesting thing about polo is that if you are closest to the goal on defense, you are generally furthest away on offense, so the set d essentially becomes the point guard on offense. They need to see the pool, set up the offense, and be ready to shoot outside if their defender (the center) is sagging to help defend the post, which is really common.

The 4 outside players are a little more interchangeable, although lefties are really valuable on the right side closest to the goal because they can shoot from tighter angles than a righty can. The 4 wing players are often called attackers or drivers because depending on the defense they will try make a move to the goal away from the ball (like a backdoor cut in basketball) to gain an advantage on the defender or also get shots from the outside. I'd compare them to a shooting guard in basketball or a winger in soccer. They need to be good shooters but also try to gain advantage on their defenders with drives, which requires bursts of speed, change of direction, and leverage against defenders. These players are often the shortest but height won't hurt you.

Also a big part of polo is that drives and getting the ball in center leads to a lot of penalty fouls, which lead to either an exclusion of the defender or a penalty shot. There are also "ordinary" fouls when you are grabbing an offensive player with no advantage without the ball. Like, if a player has the ball and no advantage, the defender can grab them and push them away from the goal, and players can decide to drop the ball which requires the defense to not touch them for a pass or shot depending on the location.


Anyway that's probably too much info but a start.

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Re: competitive little kid sports
« Reply #1094 on: May 02, 2024, 06:55:31 PM »
Like, a wrestler who can swim would probably be more valuable than a basketball player that can swim, especially for set and set d. Anyway

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« Reply #1095 on: May 02, 2024, 07:22:51 PM »
Are they playing in 6 ft deep pools?
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Re: competitive little kid sports
« Reply #1096 on: May 02, 2024, 07:35:10 PM »


it's our last water polo season (probably) and gearing up for summer tournaments there is drama as there usually is. Since there aren't enough girls at any one club, clubs will join forces to create more competitive teams. Anyway my daughter's club and another club were merging and planned to have an A team and a B team. At least that's what one of the coaches thought. There were 3 or 4 combined tournaments with one team and eventually the other coach (who was going to lead the A team in summer tourneys) thought it was going to be one big team with a huge bench while my daughter's coach thought there would be an A and a B team (so weaker players from both clubs could play a lot at an appropriate level).

The two team would have worked brilliantly EXCEPT the A team coach and/or his weaker players decided that his weaker players would not play on the B team, despite the fact that they clearly should based on ability. Which led to my daughter's coach pressuring my daughter (who was clearly an A-teamer) into playing with the B team to guarantee the weaker players of his club would have an opportunity to play on a more competitive team. Like, he tried to tell her she were depriving the weaker players of a chance to play at all and that the A-team coach didn't want her or have space for her when the A coach flat out told her he wanted her on the team and told them that they were depriving the weaker players of a chance to play. Really not cool.

anyway she is playing with the a-team in a couple of weeks and she will have a lot of fun (hopefully)

Besides watching maybe 5 minutes of Olympic coverage of Water polo I have no idea how it works. What makes someone good a water polo?

Is it similar to football where people with all different body sizes (Lineman/receivers/etc) play at the same time in different positions?

Is it more similar to basketball where being tall is a huge advantage?

Are you swimming/treading water the whole time or can you touch the bottom when the ball is on the other side of the pool?

Ok here we go!

Obviously they need to be a solid swimmer, but just being fast at like a 50m won't cut it. They need to be able to have good lateral movement, change of direction, and quick bursts in the water. Height is a definite advantage, but much less than you'd get in basketball, maybe with the exception of goalies. Leverage and strength in the water is also huge - imagine boxing someone out in the water- there is constant pushing, sealing, etc. and knowing how to use your body to get position is important.

In a regulation pool they need to read water all the time, but there are quite a few "shallow-deep" pools outside of California where you will be able to touch at one end - you just can't touch the bottom to make a play on or with the ball. It's tough to officiate.

As for positions, it's 6 on 6, and most set up on two rows of 3 with the offense centered around a player that sets up right in front of the goal, much like a post in basketball. They are generally the biggest/strongest player in the pool and so much strategy is centered around getting the ball or defending the post which is usually called "center", "set", "hole set", or "2 meter" because 2 meters is the closest they can get to the goal without the ball.

They're guarded by a "2m defender", "center d", or "set d" that also needs to be strong but also be able to be nimble in the water because they need to either push the set away from the goal, or front the set, or get on the other side of them when the ball is reversed. Depending on the defense, they might also need to block shots so height is good here.

One interesting thing about polo is that if you are closest to the goal on defense, you are generally furthest away on offense, so the set d essentially becomes the point guard on offense. They need to see the pool, set up the offense, and be ready to shoot outside if their defender (the center) is sagging to help defend the post, which is really common.

The 4 outside players are a little more interchangeable, although lefties are really valuable on the right side closest to the goal because they can shoot from tighter angles than a righty can. The 4 wing players are often called attackers or drivers because depending on the defense they will try make a move to the goal away from the ball (like a backdoor cut in basketball) to gain an advantage on the defender or also get shots from the outside. I'd compare them to a shooting guard in basketball or a winger in soccer. They need to be good shooters but also try to gain advantage on their defenders with drives, which requires bursts of speed, change of direction, and leverage against defenders. These players are often the shortest but height won't hurt you.

Also a big part of polo is that drives and getting the ball in center leads to a lot of penalty fouls, which lead to either an exclusion of the defender or a penalty shot. There are also "ordinary" fouls when you are grabbing an offensive player with no advantage without the ball. Like, if a player has the ball and no advantage, the defender can grab them and push them away from the goal, and players can decide to drop the ball which requires the defense to not touch them for a pass or shot depending on the location.


Anyway that's probably too much info but a start.

I've learned more about water polo in 2 minutes on this BLOG than I have my entire life....and now I have a couple more questions.

So the people in the pool are just treading water/swimming the entire time? What does the substitution situation look like? Do they bring them in shifts like hockey? Random subs like basketball? Or is like soccer where you get very limited subs?

Say I am an offensive "wing" player and I have the ball near the goal. What can the defender do? Can they mug me? Wrap their arms around me and take me under the water? Or is like basketball where you just kind of have to get in their face without touching them? (I have no idea what you mean by "advantage")

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« Reply #1097 on: May 02, 2024, 08:04:53 PM »
Unlimited substitutions. Most take place after a goal or quarter. You can sub on the fly hockey style but it's usually just one player at a time and is rare. It's also rare for a player at the highest level to play the entire game, usually the top players will

On defending drivers, it's like guarding a wing in basketball combined with bump and run coverage in football. Generally a player has "advantage" over a defender when they are between the goal and defender, and any contact in this case position leads to an exclusion.  Defenders can put their hands on players and push or get in the way as long as the offensive player doesn't have advantage. It's like if you could foul a shooter or player in basketball as long as you are not doing it from behind and aren't hitting them in the head. Like a good defensive play in the center is a defender hitting the arm of the center shooting close to the goal because the center couldn't push them away to get space

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« Reply #1098 on: May 02, 2024, 08:22:01 PM »
What does the highest paid water polo person on the entire planet make for playing or coaching water polo?


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« Reply #1099 on: May 02, 2024, 08:57:17 PM »
What does the highest paid water polo person on the entire planet make for playing or coaching water polo?


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Based on a few minutes of research it looks  like a couple hundred thousand in salary for the top players in Europe. But most pros probably make about a living wage and there is no pro water polo in the US.