I have also greatly enjoyed this week seeing people lose their shits over college students stopping a guy from taking pictures from one location and other college students complaining about the media when a year ago the same people pissed off now we're making excuses for the police's treatment of the media in Ferguson.
I was actually considering going to ferguson last year to let people know their rights but eventually thought better of it.
Can you or someone else please tell me why this is so upsetting? I mean the first amendment has been around for 226 years and literally every single day since someone has said something that is disparaging or contrary to what is stated in the first amendment. There has been nothing said that possesses a significant threat to free speech. In your head make up the most inflammatory thing anyone can say about the first amendment, now tell me what affect or effect, both apply, that these inflammatory words would have on anyone?
There's been a ton of misinformation spread over the last few days about free speech rights. Just yesterday you and RATM were telling people that universities could rightly expel students for "hate speech" (good luck defining that) in a public forum. That's wrong and spreading that falsehood quells not just hate speech, but controversial speech in general (at least that's the theory according to first amendment jurisprudence). The police at MU sent a campus wide email telling students to call them if they were offended by students' speech so the police could "report them to the university." That's incredibly mumped up.
Just because you "don't give two shits" about this aspect of what's happening at MU doesn't mean others don't or that it's not important.
And not for nothin, but I agree with the underlying point of what this CS1950 movement is all about! Black people should be treated better on college campuses! I just think that it's important that people don't get swept up in stupid bullshit falsehoods and patently illegal messages from the student government and police department that infringe on others' constitutional rights. And guess what -- the damn ACLU feels the same way. http://www.aclu-mo.org/newsviews/
1. I said a university can expel/suspend someone for hate speech, because it's happened and it's happened more than once, you argued the legality of that. I never disagreed with your assessment of weather it's legal or illegal it is only that it has happened. I'm not sure what that has to do with what I asked.
2. That message from the police department is in no way an infringement on anyone's rights, you are being incredibly hysterical for even suggesting it. People itt gave you a good reason why in the current climate at that school why the cops should be around if someone feels unsafe. If someone is walking alone and a guy comes up to them with a crowbar in their hands and says "whatcha up to n-word" they should just keep beeboping along like everything is gucci? What do you care if the UMPD wants to create extra work for themselves? It's been two days since that happened and we have had no reports of cops telling people what they can and can't say.
3. You took exception to me saying I didn't care about that lady telling that dude to back up to take pictures or that other lady saying she was annoyed by the first amendment, which is fine I guess. I didn't say you shouldn't be mad, I'm just wondering why you seem so heated. The next time an athlete or celeb shields their face from a camera will it be met with the same level of righteous indignation?
4.I'm not at all sure why you posted the aclu link, I haven't read anyone on here excusing anyone taking away the rights of someone else away. Did I miss someone advocating for Melissa Click or anyone saying Mark Schibecker and Tim Tai were wrong? Was there another case where someone's first amendment rights were stripped that I missed?
