so, we're overcoached now? i love this talking point.
I don't think I've ever claimed otherwise. If we're gonna have a conversation about this don't tie other peoples talking points to mine.
For me any offense when a coach is standing on the sideline telling a player where he has to stand 6 months into the season is not ideal, that isn't at all controversial. I have been a staunch proponent of dribble drive. If I were building my ideal team, I would have a team that ran nothing but breaks, secondary breaks, and dribble drive motion when they had to. I don't think, no, I know that oscar Weber isn't they type of coach that would recruit the type of players or be willing to run this system. Again not controversial.
The problem with him not calling the time out against LaSalle is that it was unprecedented. That team was designed to be basketball robots, they didn't freelance ever. That was the wrong time to take the leash off.
let's pretend that this board doesn't have about 5 posters that shape the minds of damn near everyone else here. ok, now lets stop pretending.
overcoached is good. you should be proud.
this team was designed by frank to run a "make crap up" offense, oscar just spent the last several months reprogramming them.
and i disagree that oscar took the leash off, his player had flashbacks to a bygone era of shitty offensive sets and ignored his coach.
undisciplined players do that.
I won't address your comments about Frank because I feel like you were flaming but for the rest...
I'm not trying to make a value judgment for everyone because ultimately this is eye of the beholder type stuff that we're talking about.
I'd like to say that overcoached isn't for me but that'd be an oversimplification. Like everyone else I love winning and if we win a lot I'll be down for whatever. However, for me and others this style of play gets old fast when the results aren't there and when things go wrong its easier to point a finger at the coach who chooses to treat coaching like he's programming a computer.
My problem with oscar and the other coaches who coach this way is that it seems to be limiting. I can't remember the last coach to win a title playing this low possession, structured offense style of basketball. Every single current coach with a national championship allows their playmakers to make plays without the constraints of always being in the right place. I can't ever recall one of these championship coaches doing a tournament game in March and them pointing on a spot on the floor where their player has to stand.
Now bringing this back to recruiting. These coaches who let their players play also have the luxury of having players capable of doing so, although IMO liberating players give them the ability to play better than they really are. Elijah Johnson and Nadir Tharpe would be awful running oscar's offense. When I read quotes attributed to oscar talking about now he can get the players he wants instead of the players other people want him to get, I cringe because I know he is placing a ceiling on what he and his program will accomplish.