Sprads shooting woes

[bigwillie20]

My prediction?  Will goes 5-6 from downtown one of these nights and someone bumps this thread with  as the message.

It's happening saturday 

[kitten_mittons]

It's not like he rough ridin' forgot how to shoot.  Law of averages.  He's been sucking.  So he'll probably go off pretty soon.

[michigancat]

Keep beating that drum rusty, there's no problem here.  All "shooters" have 7 game stretches like this.  0-5, 2 points, 1 assist, 3 fouls in 22 minutes.  I agree there's nothing wrong he's getting better

Stats class

Why are you giving him this arbitrary "shooter" tag? Who are some players you think he should be compared to?

You guys gave him the shooter tag when after the OSU game I pointed out all of the things he was doing wrong.  I heard the "he's playing the point which is out of position" talking point, people constantly mention his eFG in that thread, "shooters should keep shooting," etc.  I don't view him as a driveway shooter, that's why I put shooter in quotations.  In the OSU PP/NN thread I compared him to Clent Stewart and that is what I expect from him.  This is why I'm frustrated with his assist & TO numbers.

Now I feel bad because last year and early this season I gave him grief for being just a ball mover, man I long for those days.

Oh Jesus. I just said he was fine, never that he was some sort of driveway shooter.

And seriously, you should be slapped for comparing him to Clent. You are not that stupid. I mean, I know you like to ignore stats and use your eyes, but my God:

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=clent-stewart&i=1&p1=will-spradling
http://kenpom.com/player.php?p=10550
http://kenpom.com/player.php?p=369

Clent's turnovers his sophomore year. Wow.

I don't believe I ever said you, Rusty, called him a driveway shooter.  I listed the talking points used in regards to Will, did you miss them.  My repeated, guys Will is okay is a direct shot at you.  Also let's compare the Clent and Will stats at the end of conference play.  The raw assist & to numbers are projecting pretty closely.  If Will continues to trend the way he is pointing Clent's assist numbers will remain better and the TOs will tighten up considerably.

Also what's the issue with comparing Will to Clent?  Is the issue you want Will to be more, because he hasn't to this point.  I noticed the cute little trick you used comparing Clent's senior year to Will's sophomore year.  That was Clent's worst year.  At this point in their careers their advanced stats are a wash, Clent has more assists and TOs other than that, I don't know how you can claim a statistical advantage for one or the other.  And LOL at paying for Kenpom, statsheet is sufficient thanks.  

Actually Clent's sophomore year was worse than his senior year in many ways and the comparison to Will is in no way a wash at this point. Will destroys him in everything but Ast% and 3FG%. Will makes up for it by getting to the line quite a bit more and not turning it over an insane amount (compare Oratings). Will also shoots a lot more. And using raw asisst and TO numbers?

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=clent-stewart&clent-stewart=2005-2006&i=1&p1=will-spradling

[MakeItRain]

And seriously, you should be slapped for comparing him to Clent. You are not that stupid. I mean, I know you like to ignore stats and use your eyes, but my God:

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=clent-stewart&i=1&p1=will-spradling
http://kenpom.com/player.php?p=10550
http://kenpom.com/player.php?p=369

Clent's turnovers his sophomore year. Wow.

If we're going to bring a comparison, let's bring a real comparison.

 

If you would have given me that list of players without seeing those stats I would have picked Schwartzendruber, I still might after seeing the comparo.  Don't like not using the sophomore year for all of them though.

[MakeItRain]

Didn't I say let's compare at the end of the season the whole point of this is how Will is trending so wouldn't it make sense to see where the trend finishes?

Also you mocked my comparison but didn't offer one up of your own.

[MakeItRain]

It's not like he rough ridin' forgot how to shoot.  Law of averages.  He's been sucking.  So he'll probably go off pretty soon.

Attention Rusty
You need to address your shooter beef with your people, not with me.

[stunted]

michigancat is absolutely right.

Play around with a coin flip simulator for a while.

[michigancat]

Didn't I say let's compare at the end of the season the whole point of this is how Will is trending so wouldn't it make sense to see where the trend finishes?

Also you mocked my comparison but didn't offer one up of your own.

What about Tweety Carter as a sophomore?

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?p1=will-spradling&p3=tweety-carter&remove=clent-stewart&tweety-carter=2007-2008

I know, conference play, blah, blah.

[kso_FAN]

It's not like he rough ridin' forgot how to shoot.  Law of averages.  He's been sucking.  So he'll probably go off pretty soon.

Attention Rusty
You need to address your shooter beef with your people, not with me.

I think Will is more than just a shooter, but shooting is one of his top qualities/assets. Even with his recent slump he's a 38.3% 3PT shooter in his season and a half career and I expect that to only get better. I think its likely he'll end up as a >40% career 3PT shooter.

[michigancat]

It's not like he rough ridin' forgot how to shoot.  Law of averages.  He's been sucking.  So he'll probably go off pretty soon.

Attention Rusty
You need to address your shooter beef with your people, not with me.

Oh, I think I see what you're saying now. FWIW, I don't think Will is playing well, but I don't think there is anything to worry about or see any reason to drastically change his minutes or role. Just like Angel to start the year.

[stunted]

michigancat is absolutely right.

Play around with a coin flip simulator for a while.

Shooting is a crapshoot.  This is for 1000 shots, and it could be a lot worse as my standard deviation guesstimate is conservative.

Bitching about shooting is .  O-rebounds on the other hand

[MakeItRain]

michigancat is absolutely right.

Play around with a coin flip simulator for a while.

Shooting is a crapshoot.  This is for 1000 shots, and it could be a lot worse as my standard deviation guesstimate is conservative.

Bitching about shooting is .  O-rebounds on the other hand

First of all I'm not bitching about shooting, I've expressed this 462,829,347 different ways, I'm sorry you can't understand that.  Secondly shooting is absolutely not a crapshoot.  That's absolutely taking statistical analysis way too literal.

[MakeItRain]

It's not like he rough ridin' forgot how to shoot.  Law of averages.  He's been sucking.  So he'll probably go off pretty soon.

Attention Rusty
You need to address your shooter beef with your people, not with me.

Oh, I think I see what you're saying now. FWIW, I don't think Will is playing well, but I don't think there is anything to worry about or see any reason to drastically change his minutes or role. Just like Angel to start the year.

Fair point here and with Tweety Carter.  But your good Tweety comparo doesn't make my Clent comparo bad, like I said we'll revisit this in April, if we remember.  I don't think Will's role should drastically change, but I think something should be done, this has been going on for a month.  I'm puzzled by the status quo given Frank's propensity to Frank. 

[michigancat]

Fair point here and with Tweety Carter.  But your good Tweety comparo doesn't make my Clent comparo bad, like I said we'll revisit this in April, if we remember.  I don't think Will's role should drastically change, but I think something should be done, this has been going on for a month.  I'm puzzled by the status quo given Frank's propensity to Frank. 

Do you really think Martavious taking away Spradling's minutes and shots is a good idea? (That's the only thing I've seen you suggest.)

As for Frank being Frank, he's never sat anyone for shooting poorly, as far as I can remember.

[stunted]

First of all I'm not bitching about shooting, I've expressed this 462,829,347 different ways, I'm sorry you can't understand that.  Secondly shooting is absolutely not a crapshoot.  That's absolutely taking statistical analysis way too literal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler's_fallacy

[pissclams]

Keep beating that drum rusty, there's no problem here.  All "shooters" have 7 game stretches like this.  0-5, 2 points, 1 assist, 3 fouls in 22 minutes.  I agree there's nothing wrong he's getting better

Stats class

Why are you giving him this arbitrary "shooter" tag? Who are some players you think he should be compared to?

the walk on from ku, connor teahan

[MakeItRain]

Fair point here and with Tweety Carter.  But your good Tweety comparo doesn't make my Clent comparo bad, like I said we'll revisit this in April, if we remember.  I don't think Will's role should drastically change, but I think something should be done, this has been going on for a month.  I'm puzzled by the status quo given Frank's propensity to Frank. 

Do you really think Martavious taking away Spradling's minutes and shots is a good idea? (That's the only thing I've seen you suggest.)

As for Frank being Frank, he's never sat anyone for shooting poorly, as far as I can remember.

For the time being, yes I do.  I said after OSU that I thought that Will was hurting the team.  Also I'm assuming you put the shooting poorly line in to hook me, 

[michigancat]

Fair point here and with Tweety Carter.  But your good Tweety comparo doesn't make my Clent comparo bad, like I said we'll revisit this in April, if we remember.  I don't think Will's role should drastically change, but I think something should be done, this has been going on for a month.  I'm puzzled by the status quo given Frank's propensity to Frank. 

Do you really think Martavious taking away Spradling's minutes and shots is a good idea? (That's the only thing I've seen you suggest.)

As for Frank being Frank, he's never sat anyone for shooting poorly, as far as I can remember.

For the time being, yes I do.  I said after OSU that I thought that Will was hurting the team. 

What does Martavious do better than Will? (I realize these are for the full season, but can't find advanced conference stats to compare on statsheet):

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=martavious-irving&p1=will-spradling

[MakeItRain]

Fair point here and with Tweety Carter.  But your good Tweety comparo doesn't make my Clent comparo bad, like I said we'll revisit this in April, if we remember.  I don't think Will's role should drastically change, but I think something should be done, this has been going on for a month.  I'm puzzled by the status quo given Frank's propensity to Frank. 

Do you really think Martavious taking away Spradling's minutes and shots is a good idea? (That's the only thing I've seen you suggest.)

As for Frank being Frank, he's never sat anyone for shooting poorly, as far as I can remember.

For the time being, yes I do.  I said after OSU that I thought that Will was hurting the team. 

What does Martavious do better than Will? (I realize these are for the full season, but can't find advanced conference stats to compare on statsheet):

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=martavious-irving&p1=will-spradling

Right now, literally everything

[michigancat]

Fair point here and with Tweety Carter.  But your good Tweety comparo doesn't make my Clent comparo bad, like I said we'll revisit this in April, if we remember.  I don't think Will's role should drastically change, but I think something should be done, this has been going on for a month.  I'm puzzled by the status quo given Frank's propensity to Frank. 

Do you really think Martavious taking away Spradling's minutes and shots is a good idea? (That's the only thing I've seen you suggest.)

As for Frank being Frank, he's never sat anyone for shooting poorly, as far as I can remember.

For the time being, yes I do.  I said after OSU that I thought that Will was hurting the team. 

What does Martavious do better than Will? (I realize these are for the full season, but can't find advanced conference stats to compare on statsheet):

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=martavious-irving&p1=will-spradling

Right now, literally everything

[wabash909]

It's ok for Will to be Schwartzendruber.  Why do we have to keep pretending he's better than he is?

[sys]

shooters gotta shoot, ar-t's gotta play point, the fewer minutes irving gets the better.

[mocat]

Fair point here and with Tweety Carter.  But your good Tweety comparo doesn't make my Clent comparo bad, like I said we'll revisit this in April, if we remember.  I don't think Will's role should drastically change, but I think something should be done, this has been going on for a month.  I'm puzzled by the status quo given Frank's propensity to Frank. 

Do you really think Martavious taking away Spradling's minutes and shots is a good idea? (That's the only thing I've seen you suggest.)

As for Frank being Frank, he's never sat anyone for shooting poorly, as far as I can remember.

For the time being, yes I do.  I said after OSU that I thought that Will was hurting the team. 

What does Martavious do better than Will? (I realize these are for the full season, but can't find advanced conference stats to compare on statsheet):

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=martavious-irving&p1=will-spradling

Right now, literally everything

  You preach it, I'll turn the pages

[BackPayne]

  When does a slump become typical?

[The1BigWillie]

Hey Sprads... if you aren't going to shoot, or defend, just drive into the lane and leave your feet then just chuck that rough rider into a crowd of people and hope we come up with it.