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General Discussion => Essentially Flyertalk => Topic started by: nicname on September 01, 2010, 04:32:38 PM
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I'm not in the know so I really have no idea. Does anyone know of any projections or have any type of answers on this?
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Estimated to grow at about 6969% for the next 69 years. Shouldnt end up with somewhere around 6.9 million people in the Manhattan metro area by 2069.
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Not that Weefer is the most reliable source or anything, but there's this:
Construction of the biodefense laboratory in Manhattan, Kansas, is “the most important economic development event in Kansas since railroads crossed the length of the state, some observers opine. Jon Wefald, president of Kansas State University, notes that Manhattan’s population could double in 15 years as Kansas State and the city “are poised to become the epicenter of a Silicon Valley of animal health for this state, America, and the world.” He anticipates that the center will “draw hundreds of animal-health and food-safety researchers worldwide” and will “present a huge gravitational pull” for “companies to line up offices and plants along a research corridor stretching east to Kansas City and all the way to Columbia, Missouri.” Wefald continued, “This event will go down in our state’s history as one of Kansas’ finest hours—period. Amen and goodnight.”
http://www.semp.us/publications/biot_reader.php?BiotID=574
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About 50 people more.
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Anything Wefald says = :facepalm:
He's so incredibly stupid.
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At best it might mean an increase of 10,000 people. That is if we can lure the manufacturing companies to the area. Otherwise it will probably increase it by about 1,000 people.
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Rumblings have that there will be three Chinese, four Indians and a small contingent of Thai whores for these scientist's pleasure.
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I'd say about 1000 to 1500 directly related to NBAF. It might push 2000 depending on who else wants to hop on the gravy train.
Of course if you listen to people like my brother a science degree nerdy type . . . the NBAF is going to kill all living things within 6 years anyway.
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In terms of people, I'm not sure. But in terms of academic benefit, I think it could be a big factor in KSU's push to get to Tier 1. This is the type of place that will help pump out some high-quality doctorates...
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Anything Wefald says = :facepalm:
He's so incredibly stupid.
He's a lot of things, this he absolutely is not
an enormous egomaniac bordering on megalomania yep, stupid, no
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In terms of people, I'm not sure. But in terms of academic benefit, I think it could be a big factor in KSU's push to get to Tier 1. This is the type of place that will help pump out some high-quality doctorates...
A lot of locals are also hoping this could be the deciding factor that finally brings us a Red Lobster.
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It isn't the amount of jobs but how many of the jobs are high paying. A large influx of upper class would be huge for the manhattan economy. I mean, say it brings 1,500 people. How many of these people are going to make > $100k? That's the important number, not the amount of total people (imo).
Also, ya, red lobster would blow the doors off this SOB.
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It isn't the amount of jobs but how many of the jobs are high paying. A large influx of upper class would be huge for the manhattan economy. I mean, say it brings 1,500 people. How many of these people are going to make > $100k? That's the important number, not the amount of total people (imo).
Also, ya, red lobster would blow the doors off this SOB.
The Red Lobster is very important for our status as a big time city. Plus, with all of these people with high paying people coming to town they are going to need a good place to eat, entertain, "do business", etc. Red Lobster.
Hearing rumblings we might be getting some form of bus service as well. Thanks again, NBAF.
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Love those Red Lob biscuits.
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It isn't the amount of jobs but how many of the jobs are high paying. A large influx of upper class would be huge for the manhattan economy. I mean, say it brings 1,500 people. How many of these people are going to make > $100k? That's the important number, not the amount of total people (imo).
Also, ya, red lobster would blow the doors off this SOB.
The Red Lobster is very important for our status as a big time city. Plus, with all of these people with high paying people coming to town they are going to need a good place to eat, entertain, "do business", etc. Red Lobster.
Hearing rumblings we might be getting some form of bus service as well. Thanks again, NBAF.
I understand Reb Lobster is "big time", but can we opt for a Joe's Crab Shack instead?
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i was in the mood for crab one time so i stopped by the bitchin joe's crab shack in Olathe. i sat down and looked at the menu. that place is a joke. didn't even order.
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The pop expansion is not due directly to NBAF employees.
The description I heard regarding how this will increase the pop is due to other companies that will be coming in to be near to NBAF. About a year ago, the city had reported a decent amount of other companies that had opened discussions with both Manhattan and Junk City about moving their companies there, contingent upon the NBAF approval. Lots of labs that work on stuff directly related to what the NBAF does, to the point that proximity is important.
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i was in the mood for crab one time so i stopped by the bitchin joe's crab shack in Olathe. i sat down and looked at the menu. that place is a joke. didn't even order.
this.
Fracking hate that place.
Some of the food is ok, but not worth the annoying people or the prices.
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Joe's Crab Shack is crappy everywhere. They went out of business in my hometown for good reason. You always get 1 or more things to detract from your restaurant experience while you're there; sometimes your food is undercooked, sometimes they get your order wrong, sometimes their food takes like dog barf, and all of the time their stuff is overpriced.
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In terms of people, I'm not sure. But in terms of academic benefit, I think it could be a big factor in KSU's push to get to Tier 1. This is the type of place that will help pump out some high-quality doctorates...
A lot of locals are also hoping this could be the deciding factor that finally brings us a Red Lobster.
Their biscuits are much more important than PhD's
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Love those Red Lob biscuits.
god yes. my wife introduced these to me. probably the biggest reason to ever go to the RL
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http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Recipes/story?id=2788706 (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Recipes/story?id=2788706)
Make them at home. yes, they are the same and are good.
Never have to go to RL again.
Your welcome.
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It isn't the amount of jobs but how many of the jobs are high paying. A large influx of upper class would be huge for the manhattan economy. I mean, say it brings 1,500 people. How many of these people are going to make > $100k? That's the important number, not the amount of total people (imo).
Also, ya, red lobster would blow the doors off this SOB.
The Red Lobster is very important for our status as a big time city. Plus, with all of these people with high paying people coming to town they are going to need a good place to eat, entertain, "do business", etc. Red Lobster.
Hearing rumblings we might be getting some form of bus service as well. Thanks again, NBAF.
I understand Reb Lobster is "big time", but can we opt for a Joe's Crab Shack instead?
Let's stick with Red Lobster.
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Forced to eat at RL awhile back for the first time in years . . . now I understand why it's been years since I ate at one. :flush:
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Not that Weefer is the most reliable source or anything, but there's this:
Construction of the biodefense laboratory in Manhattan, Kansas, is “the most important economic development event in Kansas since railroads crossed the length of the state, some observers opine. Jon Wefald, president of Kansas State University, notes that Manhattan’s population could double in 15 years as Kansas State and the city “are poised to become the epicenter of a Silicon Valley of animal health for this state, America, and the world.” He anticipates that the center will “draw hundreds of animal-health and food-safety researchers worldwide” and will “present a huge gravitational pull” for “companies to line up offices and plants along a research corridor stretching east to Kansas City and all the way to Columbia, Missouri.” Wefald continued, “This event will go down in our state’s history as one of Kansas’ finest hours—period. Amen and goodnight.”
http://www.semp.us/publications/biot_reader.php?BiotID=574
:lol:
He really said this? Amen and goodnight? hahaha
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The dude pulled some amazing comments straight out of his a$$ didn't he?
This thing is going to take 5 to 7 years to build and have the "Shake down" minimum. It took nearly 2 years to get Pat Roberts Hall to a point the gubment would allow significant research activity.
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Not that Weefer is the most reliable source or anything, but there's this:
Construction of the biodefense laboratory in Manhattan, Kansas, is “the most important economic development event in Kansas since railroads crossed the length of the state, some observers opine. Jon Wefald, president of Kansas State University, notes that Manhattan’s population could double in 15 years as Kansas State and the city “are poised to become the epicenter of a Silicon Valley of animal health for this state, America, and the world.” He anticipates that the center will “draw hundreds of animal-health and food-safety researchers worldwide” and will “present a huge gravitational pull” for “companies to line up offices and plants along a research corridor stretching east to Kansas City and all the way to Columbia, Missouri.” Wefald continued, “This event will go down in our state’s history as one of Kansas’ finest hours—period. Amen and goodnight.”
http://www.semp.us/publications/biot_reader.php?BiotID=574
:lol:
He really said this? Amen and goodnight? hahaha
Thought the same thing. I am now realizing I really miss this type of thing from the Weefer, Schultz just does not compete - Olive Garden excepted
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(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.k-state.edu%2Fmedia%2Fnbaf%2FNBAFaerial.jpg&hash=a94c7b8dada84a05fd7426a18c96381abccfd5e3)
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How about a Gap too?
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that's very sexy.
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Seems like a lot of walking :dunno:
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Seems like a lot of walking :dunno:
All employees will have a Segway.
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How about a Gap too?
Already have one in the mall, bro.
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:party:
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It isn't the amount of jobs but how many of the jobs are high paying. A large influx of upper class would be huge for the manhattan economy. I mean, say it brings 1,500 people. How many of these people are going to make > $100k? That's the important number, not the amount of total people (imo).
Also, ya, red lobster would blow the doors off this SOB.
The Red Lobster is very important for our status as a big time city. Plus, with all of these people with high paying people coming to town they are going to need a good place to eat, entertain, "do business", etc. Red Lobster.
Hearing rumblings we might be getting some form of bus service as well. Thanks again, NBAF.
I hope we get it before April, so I can nail down prom ressies.
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It isn't the amount of jobs but how many of the jobs are high paying. A large influx of upper class would be huge for the manhattan economy. I mean, say it brings 1,500 people. How many of these people are going to make > $100k? That's the important number, not the amount of total people (imo).
Also, ya, red lobster would blow the doors off this SOB.
The Red Lobster is very important for our status as a big time city. Plus, with all of these people with high paying people coming to town they are going to need a good place to eat, entertain, "do business", etc. Red Lobster.
Hearing rumblings we might be getting some form of bus service as well. Thanks again, NBAF.
I hope we get it before April, so I can nail down prom ressies.
Can I sit with you. Think I will ask Taylor L. I have 2 classes with her and she was definitely checking me out....
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Please confirm for me that the Red Lobster envy is a joke. I was a student at K-State in the early 90's but haven't been back to Manhattan in about 16 years. I am planning a return trip next month and was hoping to find some good places to eat with my entourage. I would be seriously alarmed to find out that a bad chain restaurant is considered fine dining in Manhattan in the year 2010.
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Please confirm for me that the Red Lobster envy is a joke. I was a student at K-State in the early 90's but haven't been back to Manhattan in about 16 years. I am planning a return trip next month and was hoping to find some good places to eat with my entourage. I would be seriously alarmed to find out that a bad chain restaurant is considered fine dining in Manhattan in the year 2010.
The Red Lobster was forced to close down. Everyone in town flooded the doors and wouldn't leave the place, staying in the dining room until hours past close every night- eating and eating, and eating, and eating... Ask anyone from MHK what's the best food in town and the surefire answer is Red Lobster. The staff couldn't handle the demand for food that MHK put on the restaurant.
Construction on the Platinum Lobster is expected to be complete by mid-November.
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LOL at Red Lobster being considered fine dining
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(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.k-state.edu%2Fmedia%2Fnbaf%2FNBAFaerial.jpg&hash=a94c7b8dada84a05fd7426a18c96381abccfd5e3)
do you have a link to that? or more info/designs??
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do you have a link to that? or more info/designs??
Looks like someone is getting a swimming pool. :pbj:
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Based on my community and regional planning degree (in progress)... If this is similar to USDA in Ames, it could be responsible for roughly 1,500 to 2,000 jobs. Add families to that and that would be roughly 3,000 to 6,000. Add increased business/commerce/etc. and you guys could be around 10,000 more people. Good get for Manhattan.
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Havs...I mean, c'mon.
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Anything Wefald says = :facepalm:
He's so incredibly stupid.
You're honestly a bitch for saying that. Yes Wefald stayed on too long and got too old... anyone who knew him knew K-State was his life. He's a bigger k-stater than any of us and has done more for the university than we will ever know.
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Dood, if you need a rendering of what the red lobster will look like, I would recommend google images. Also, RL's commercials are the best. They're all like: come to RL and eat 20 pounds of lobster for $6. Then you go there and you only eat like 8 pounds, cause you're full and this ain't an episode of Man v Food. I mean, you're not trying to OD on seafood or anything, just get your money's worth, ya know?
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Also, you pocket a couple of those biscuits cause they reheat pretty well in the microwave and you might regret not eating more of them when you had the chance.
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Please confirm for me that the Red Lobster envy is a joke. I was a student at K-State in the early 90's but haven't been back to Manhattan in about 16 years. I am planning a return trip next month and was hoping to find some good places to eat with my entourage. I would be seriously alarmed to find out that a bad chain restaurant is considered fine dining in Manhattan in the year 2010.
I'll never understand these Joe's Crab Shack summercats :rolleyes:
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High falutin' crabshack SOBs.
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So who on the board is going to put in their application so that they can move back to manhattan full time!??! :dunno:
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article on NBAF. Seems like a important study will be coming out in a few weeks...
In the next few weeks, Richardson says officials are waiting for the release of a National Academies report on conducting foot-and-mouth disease research on the mainland of the United States. He's confident the findings will support relocation of the laboratory to Kansas.
http://veterinarynews.dvm360.com/dvm/Veterinary+news/Construction-to-begin-on-premier-veterinary-lab/ArticleStandard/Article/detail/686925?contextCategoryId=378
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Anything Wefald says = :facepalm:
He's so incredibly stupid.
You're honestly a bitch for saying that. Yes Wefald stayed on too long and got too old... anyone who knew him knew K-State was his life. He's a bigger k-stater than any of us and has done more for the university than we will ever know.
Hey, it's great that he made K-State his life, but in many peoples' opinions Wefald held the university back from becoming even better. I have no doubt Wefald tried as hard as he could, but given his limited mental capacity, he was not suited to the job. KSU should have kicked him to the curb long ago.
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Dial Realty is asking the Planning Board to amend the Final Development Plan for Lot 1 to allow Dick’s Sporting Goods to increase its floor area.
Seems like Manhattan's Dick's will be that much bigger. :gocho:
http://www.1350kman.com/news/?p=5527
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Have we discussed the Hilton Garden Inn and conference center coming?
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Have we discussed the Hilton Garden Inn and conference center coming?
this beauty??
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That is a nice looking strip mall.
Like, Town Center nice.
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oh my :love:
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Maxwell Renderer :fatty:
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Dial Realty is asking the Planning Board to amend the Final Development Plan for Lot 1 to allow Dick’s Sporting Goods to increase its floor area.
Seems like Manhattan's Dick's will be that much bigger. :gocho:
http://www.1350kman.com/news/?p=5527
"The Little Apple....we have a bigger Dick's" :horrorsurprise:
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That is a nice looking strip mall.
Like, Town Center nice.
The townies are are going crap themselves with all that EIFS and brick :lol:
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The town totally blew it with the downtown redevelopment.
Strip malls and giant parking lots? What a dream come true! :flush:
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Have we discussed the Hilton Garden Inn and conference center coming?
this beauty??
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ci.manhattan.ks.us%2Fimages%2Fpages%2FN1396%2F%2F3rd%2520Street%2520-%2520Sidewalk.jpg&hash=1380907999f468f2ba64194d370482c9b69fe445)
They seem to have grandiose expectations for the foot traffic a hotel will provide
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The town totally blew it with the downtown redevelopment.
Strip malls and giant parking lots? What a dream come true! :flush:
blew it a long time before all this new stuff.
mtc= :flush:
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The town totally blew it with the downtown redevelopment.
Strip malls and giant parking lots? What a dream come true! :flush:
blew it a long time before all this new stuff.
mtc= :flush:
please explain for those of us too young to know/care. tia
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So is Longhorn Steakhouse any good??
http://www.longhornsteakhouse.com/locator/stateResults.asp?Abbreviation=KS
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So is Longhorn Steakhouse any good??
http://www.longhornsteakhouse.com/locator/stateResults.asp?Abbreviation=KS
well that all depends on who is managing it.
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So is Longhorn Steakhouse any good??
http://www.longhornsteakhouse.com/locator/stateResults.asp?Abbreviation=KS
well that all depends on who is managing it.
Dear Lord,
I don't ask for much, but if you see to it to have T.Brew transferred to Manhattan, you'd have my thanks.
Amen
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So is Longhorn Steakhouse any good??
http://www.longhornsteakhouse.com/locator/stateResults.asp?Abbreviation=KS
well that all depends on who is managing it.
Dear Lord,
I don't ask for much, but if you see to it to have T.Brew transferred to Manhattan, you'd have my thanks.
Amen
OMG, NEW PAK HEADQUARTERS (assuming his transfer)
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The town totally blew it with the downtown redevelopment.
Strip malls and giant parking lots? What a dream come true! :flush:
blew it a long time before all this new stuff.
mtc= :flush:
please explain for those of us too young to know/care. tia
the downtown area of manhattan used to be twice as large and filled with small businesses before they bulldozed it twenty five years ago and built a lame mall filled with lame chain stores and a gross food court. cool historical buildings and a possible unique shopping area? no thanks, we'll take the sunglass hut and mastercuts. :goodbyecruelworld:
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The town totally blew it with the downtown redevelopment.
Strip malls and giant parking lots? What a dream come true! :flush:
blew it a long time before all this new stuff.
mtc= :flush:
please explain for those of us too young to know/care. tia
the downtown area of manhattan used to be twice as large and filled with small businesses before they bulldozed it twenty five years ago and built a lame mall filled with lame chain stores and a gross food court. cool historical buildings and a possible unique shopping area? no thanks, we'll take the sunglass hut and mastercuts. :goodbyecruelworld:
How elite would it be to live in lofts in 120-plus year old building be on Poyntz?
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Report out today that NBAF will kill all life within 200. :runaway:
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JFC :facepalm:
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Study has been released. They should just put the lab in a big bubble. And then over that bubble put another, larger bubble.
New report highlights risk of Kansas biodefense lab
The federal government has seriously underestimated the risk that a new federal lab in Manhattan, Kan., could accidentally release dangerous pathogens like foot-and-mouth disease, according to a scientific assessment released this morning.
The report, conducted by the National Research Council, predicts that there is a better than 70 percent chance of an accidental release of a contagious animal disease within 50 years at the National Bio- and Agro-Defense Facility planned for Manhattan.
In addition, it found “several major shortcomings” in an early U.S. Department of Homeland Security Assessment.
The federal government selected Kansas to host the $650 million lab, which will study foreign animal diseases and replace an aging lab on Plum Island, N.Y.
Some of the diseases can infect humans. Others pose threats to the nation’s agricultural economy. Congress voted to withhold construction funds for the project until concerns about the lab’s safety were studied.
Based on today’s report, those concerns are far from addressed.
“Building a facility that is capable of large animal work on a scale greater than other high-containment laboratories presents new and unknown risks that could not be accounted for in the DHS risk assessment because of a lack of data and experience,” said Ronald Atlas, chair of the committee that wrote today’s report.
Atlas is a professor of biology and public health and co-director of the Center for Health Preparedness at the University of Louisville in Kentucky.
The report, which was requested by Congress, faulted the earlier Homeland Security study for failing to grasp the risk of an accidental leak of foot-and-mouth disease, or how much damage such a leak could create. The report notes that “roughly 9.5 percent of the U.S. cattle inventory lies within a 200-mile radius of the facility. Given that the disease is highly contagious and that the chance of its escape is not zero, rigorous and robust regional and national mitigation strategies that address an extensive outbreak … are needed before the facility opens.”
The earlier Homeland Security report estimated the economic losses from a possible foot-and-mouth outbreak at $9 billion to $50 billion, but today’s report says the actual amount could be “significantly higher.”
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Everyone just bathe in Ivomac-Pour-On every day and you'll have nothing to worry about (< hick joke from hick school graduate sd)
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200 what?!?!?!?!?! :ohno:
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Everyone just bathe in Ivomac-Pour-On every day and you'll have nothing to worry about (< hick joke from hick school graduate sd)
I can't wait until the athletic sponsorships from all of new, rich tenants start flooding in. It'll be just like the good ol' days of the Draxxin Halftime Report.
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jfc
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The timing of this report coming just 2 weeks following the CTR beatdown is very suspicious.
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Study has been released. They should just put the lab in a big bubble. And then over that bubble put another, larger bubble.
New report highlights risk of Kansas biodefense lab
The federal government has seriously underestimated the risk that a new federal lab in Manhattan, Kan., could accidentally release dangerous pathogens like foot-and-mouth disease, according to a scientific assessment released this morning.
The report, conducted by the National Research Council, predicts that there is a better than 70 percent chance of an accidental release of a contagious animal disease within 50 years at the National Bio- and Agro-Defense Facility planned for Manhattan.
In addition, it found “several major shortcomings” in an early U.S. Department of Homeland Security Assessment.
The federal government selected Kansas to host the $650 million lab, which will study foreign animal diseases and replace an aging lab on Plum Island, N.Y.
Some of the diseases can infect humans. Others pose threats to the nation’s agricultural economy. Congress voted to withhold construction funds for the project until concerns about the lab’s safety were studied.
Based on today’s report, those concerns are far from addressed.
“Building a facility that is capable of large animal work on a scale greater than other high-containment laboratories presents new and unknown risks that could not be accounted for in the DHS risk assessment because of a lack of data and experience,” said Ronald Atlas, chair of the committee that wrote today’s report.
Atlas is a professor of biology and public health and co-director of the Center for Health Preparedness at the University of Louisville in Kentucky.
The report, which was requested by Congress, faulted the earlier Homeland Security study for failing to grasp the risk of an accidental leak of foot-and-mouth disease, or how much damage such a leak could create. The report notes that “roughly 9.5 percent of the U.S. cattle inventory lies within a 200-mile radius of the facility. Given that the disease is highly contagious and that the chance of its escape is not zero, rigorous and robust regional and national mitigation strategies that address an extensive outbreak … are needed before the facility opens.”
The earlier Homeland Security report estimated the economic losses from a possible foot-and-mouth outbreak at $9 billion to $50 billion, but today’s report says the actual amount could be “significantly higher.”
Obviously released by the Greater San Antonio Chamber of Commerce.
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Study has been released. They should just put the lab in a big bubble. And then over that bubble put another, larger bubble.
New report highlights risk of Kansas biodefense lab
The federal government has seriously underestimated the risk that a new federal lab in Manhattan, Kan., could accidentally release dangerous pathogens like foot-and-mouth disease, according to a scientific assessment released this morning.
The report, conducted by the National Research Council, predicts that there is a better than 70 percent chance of an accidental release of a contagious animal disease within 50 years at the National Bio- and Agro-Defense Facility planned for Manhattan.
In addition, it found “several major shortcomings” in an early U.S. Department of Homeland Security Assessment.
The federal government selected Kansas to host the $650 million lab, which will study foreign animal diseases and replace an aging lab on Plum Island, N.Y.
Some of the diseases can infect humans. Others pose threats to the nation’s agricultural economy. Congress voted to withhold construction funds for the project until concerns about the lab’s safety were studied.
Based on today’s report, those concerns are far from addressed.
“Building a facility that is capable of large animal work on a scale greater than other high-containment laboratories presents new and unknown risks that could not be accounted for in the DHS risk assessment because of a lack of data and experience,” said Ronald Atlas, chair of the committee that wrote today’s report.
Atlas is a professor of biology and public health and co-director of the Center for Health Preparedness at the University of Louisville in Kentucky.
The report, which was requested by Congress, faulted the earlier Homeland Security study for failing to grasp the risk of an accidental leak of foot-and-mouth disease, or how much damage such a leak could create. The report notes that “roughly 9.5 percent of the U.S. cattle inventory lies within a 200-mile radius of the facility. Given that the disease is highly contagious and that the chance of its escape is not zero, rigorous and robust regional and national mitigation strategies that address an extensive outbreak … are needed before the facility opens.”
The earlier Homeland Security report estimated the economic losses from a possible foot-and-mouth outbreak at $9 billion to $50 billion, but today’s report says the actual amount could be “significantly higher.”
You don't eff with Rick Pitino and get away with it.
Will Angel Rodriguez be worth the cost? :bball:
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So how big of a moat do we need to build to make this go away?
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It's a good thing the CDC was built in a sparsely populated area too!
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manhattan republicans rejoice
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manhattan republicans rejoice
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they are going to take it away from me. i just know it. :cry:
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Would be huge. Hugely bad.
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Someone put MHK-DFW on the train out of town with Frank. :frown:
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I'll fight a vicious bovine disease right now. I don't give a crap.
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Wait, are Manhattan Republicans against NBAF? Goddamnit. Quit being terrible, Republicans. Sheesh.
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The timing of this report coming just 2 weeks following the CTR beatdown is very suspicious.
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It's a good thing the CDC was built in a sparsely populated area too!
:opcat:
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Dr. Oz is doing a show. :ohno:
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What does this mean for Red Lobster likelihood?
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Chedder biscuits w/ a side of ebola? :yum:
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Most of the population of the country lives next to really scary dangerous stuff . . . You can write a report to conjure every possible scenario under the flying Spaghetti Monster sun.
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How long will this delay Manhattan getting more awesome? How long should we expect until it is full steam ahead again?
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I have never, not once in my life, been worried about foot and mouth disease, and I'm sure as hell not gonna start now.
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Most of the population of the country lives next to really scary dangerous stuff . . . You can write a report to conjure every possible scenario under the flying Spaghetti Monster sun.
Yes, but this is related to steak and bacon we're talking about Dax. I'm OK with regular people living near powerlines, runoff from open pit mines and nuclear waste dumps, but rough ridin' with my dinner plate isn't cool.
But yeah, this was essentially a review of a report compiled with no actual building designs available. This is a CYA for all congresscritters approving funding for the thing.
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Here's the extent of my knowledge of hoof-and-mouth disease. The dude that used to own the Lou (Duane) told me one time that you could never reuse a pitcher before washing it or you will spread hoof-and-mouth. Duane drank a lot.
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Isn't the CDC located in Atlanta? Seems like more of a hazard than NBAF in MHK...
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Here's the extent of my knowledge of hoof-and-mouth disease. The dude that used to own the Lou (Duane) told me one time that you could never reuse a pitcher before washing it or you will spread hoof-and-mouth. Duane drank a lot.
LOL, I loved Duane.
Seriously though, we need this agricultural time bomb if we expect to keep our Chicago flights.
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Seems like they could just have a 24/7 vacuum (with a backup for redundancy, of course) to have the whole facility in negative pressure and just pump that crap to the bottom of Tuttle or something.
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So basically this means they will have to up the security and safety procedures to this place? which will add to the cost?
Or does this delay the start of the build?
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How about we just tell them WDGAF and we'll take the risk and then half ass it like we did with the nuke waste and assume nothing bad will happen :dunno: I mean, I'll take that risk for Chicago flights.
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Self destruct button linked to that stuff they used in the crappy Nick Cage movie where they blew up Alcatraz and stuff. If there is a leak....sky high baby.
....and we still get our Chi flights.
Totally worth it.
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What I've gathered from reading above:
1. nobody knows if this will keep the thing from getting built, or delay it for how long
2. nobody knows what hoof and mouth disease is
3. nobody knows how to make good hoof and mouth disease jokes
Basically, I don't anything more than I did 5 minutes ago :bawl:
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What I've gathered from reading above:
1. nobody knows if this will keep the thing from getting built, or delay it for how long
2. nobody knows what hoof and mouth disease is
3. nobody knows how to make good hoof and mouth disease jokes
Basically, I don't anything more than I did 5 minutes ago :bawl:
Did you just make fun of a rebel bbs for not being educational enough?
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MIKE HENDRICKS COMMENTARY
What a nightmare.
Fell asleep reading that new report about risks of building that bio-defense lab on the K-State campus in Manhattan — and oh so close to the football stadium.
Woke up with this scary vision: 50,000 wild-eyed K-State fans streaming out after a game, having all breathed in highly contagious foot-and-mouth disease.
Mind you, humans can’t catch the disease, only farm animals.
But think of the risk to Wildcats fans’ significant others back home! :surprised:
Yes, a little joke there for KU fans in the audience. Now, we segue to the serious. According to the National Research Council, there really is a threat that football fans, students and researchers could carry home the highly contagious virus on their clothes and in their lungs should the disease escape from the proposed National Bio- and Agro-Defense Facility.
Absent added safety precautions, the council rates the chance at 70 percent within 50 years, perhaps crippling the livestock industry and affecting the food supply.
This is the third study to warn of risks of building a facility that studies highly contagious livestock diseases such as foot-and-mouth in the midst of one of the most livestock-intensive regions of the country.
In 2008, the Government Accountability Office questioned whether the feds had sufficient evidence to prove “that food and mouth disease research can be done safely on the U.S. mainland” at all.
(It’s now done on an island off the New York coast.)
Naturally, area politicians pooh-poohed this latest report as they did the others. Intoxicated by the $650 million federal project, the state’s six-member congressional delegation all but shrugged off its findings:
“We are confident this facility will be the safest research laboratory in the world,” a joint statement said.
Remember last year when some of these same folks quivered at the thought of terror suspects being moved from Guantanamo to the military prison at Fort Leavenworth?
Among the reasons Sen. Pat Roberts gave for his opposition: that an island facility was less of a security threat than one smack in the Midwest at a “campus-style facility” like Fort Leavenworth.
Hey, but as for spending hundreds of millions moving a potentially risky research operation from an island to the middle of the country on an actual university campus, why worry?
Roberts, Sam Brownback and the rest are only too willing to set aside caution when the dollars are big enough. That and they worry Texas might steal the project.
Still, what’s wrong with a little caution? Unless you’d rather put your trust in politicians rather than scientists.
To reach Mike Hendricks, call 816-234-7708 or send e-mail to [email protected].
Posted on Tue, Nov. 16, 2010 11:16 PM
Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/11/16/2441851/three-studies-warn-about-that.html#ixzz15Z9oCwEN
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Commence tard email compaign.
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Good thing there's no cattle in Texas.
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This facility would have to be very shitty for there to actually be a 70% chance of a hoof and mouth outbreak over a 50 year period.
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All they really need to do is use an extra tube of caulk around the windows.
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This facility would have to be very shitty for there to actually be a 70% chance of a hoof and mouth outbreak over a 50 year period.
No, in DHS's original report it was estimated that the worst-case scenario of SOME disease being released over a span of 50 years is 70 percent. It COULD be foot and mouth disease, or any one of the myriad of other diseases that will be studied at the lab. A release is also defined as a disease leaving it's approved area, so it's entirely possible that a disease is "released" but never leaves the building or even the floor it's being studied on.
It was one of the things the NRC summary took completely out of context from the DHS's original report. Having read both, it's quite amusing to see the NRC summary essentially repeat what was in the DHS report in several instances but it's now really scary because the NRC omitted a lot of the reasons for why some of the report is incomplete.
It remains unknown what effect, if any, this will have on NBAF's time line in Manhattan. Even the stuff the NRC did get right isn't impossible to solve and really not all that expensive considering the building hasn't even been designed yet.
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In true Manhattan, KS style, just like when we voted I-70 away from town, tards will now get scared and ruin this for us too. eff.
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In true Manhattan, KS style, just like when we voted I-70 away from town, tards will now get scared and ruin this for us too. eff.
nobody voted I70 away from town dumbass.
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This facility would have to be very shitty for there to actually be a 70% chance of a hoof and mouth outbreak over a 50 year period.
No, in DHS's original report it was estimated that the worst-case scenario of SOME disease being released over a span of 50 years is 70 percent. It COULD be foot and mouth disease, or any one of the myriad of other diseases that will be studied at the lab. A release is also defined as a disease leaving it's approved area, so it's entirely possible that a disease is "released" but never leaves the building or even the floor it's being studied on.
It was one of the things the NRC summary took completely out of context from the DHS's original report. Having read both, it's quite amusing to see the NRC summary essentially repeat what was in the DHS report in several instances but it's now really scary because the NRC omitted a lot of the reasons for why some of the report is incomplete.
It remains unknown what effect, if any, this will have on NBAF's time line in Manhattan. Even the stuff the NRC did get right isn't impossible to solve and really not all that expensive considering the building hasn't even been designed yet.
This is good to hear.
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In true Manhattan, KS style, just like when we voted I-70 away from town, tards will now get scared and ruin this for us too. eff.
nobody voted I70 away from town dumbass.
Really? That's what I've always heard. Back in the 50's. Quit being mean.
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In true Manhattan, KS style, just like when we voted I-70 away from town, tards will now get scared and ruin this for us too. eff.
nobody voted I70 away from town dumbass.
Really? That's what I've always heard. Back in the 50's. Quit being mean.
not until you ask nicely dumbass.
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The fact of the matter is, in terms of NBAF, all the scare mongers are going to conjure up every possible scenario to keep it from being built. My brother, a biologist who lives near Manhattan is the same way. He rants on and on about the worst case scenario. The facts are, no matter where it is built, there's always the possibility of the "worst case scenario". I am every bit as wary of building something like this out in the middle of nowhere . . . middle of nowhere germ research has proven to be a real pain in the ass from a security standpoint, and I can cite several examples from around the world.
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The fact of the matter is, in terms of NBAF, all the scare mongers are going to conjure up every possible scenario to keep it from being built. My brother, a biologist who lives near Manhattan is the same way. He rants on and on about the worst case scenario. The facts are, no matter where it is built, there's always the possibility of the "worst case scenario". I am every bit as wary of building something like this out in the middle of nowhere . . . middle of nowhere germ research has proven to be a real pain in the ass from a security standpoint, and I can cite several examples from around the world.
Well, maybe we should just build the facility on the ocean floor. Nothing could possibly go wrong there, right?
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The fact of the matter is, in terms of NBAF, all the scare mongers are going to conjure up every possible scenario to keep it from being built. My brother, a biologist who lives near Manhattan is the same way. He rants on and on about the worst case scenario. The facts are, no matter where it is built, there's always the possibility of the "worst case scenario". I am every bit as wary of building something like this out in the middle of nowhere . . . middle of nowhere germ research has proven to be a real pain in the ass from a security standpoint, and I can cite several examples from around the world.
Well, maybe we should just build the facility on the ocean floor. Nothing could possibly go wrong there, right?
On the moon :dunno:
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The fact of the matter is, in terms of NBAF, all the scare mongers are going to conjure up every possible scenario to keep it from being built. My brother, a biologist who lives near Manhattan is the same way. He rants on and on about the worst case scenario. The facts are, no matter where it is built, there's always the possibility of the "worst case scenario". I am every bit as wary of building something like this out in the middle of nowhere . . . middle of nowhere germ research has proven to be a real pain in the ass from a security standpoint, and I can cite several examples from around the world.
Well, maybe we should just build the facility on the ocean floor. Nothing could possibly go wrong there, right?
On the moon :dunno:
Now, that's just ridiculous.
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In true Manhattan, KS style, just like when we voted I-70 away from town, tards will now get scared and ruin this for us too. eff.
nobody voted I70 away from town dumbass.
Really? That's what I've always heard. Back in the 50's. Quit being mean.
not until you ask nicely dumbass.
Not until you tell me if what you said it true. I've been rough ridin' pissed about that for years.
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In true Manhattan, KS style, just like when we voted I-70 away from town, tards will now get scared and ruin this for us too. eff.
nobody voted I70 away from town dumbass.
Really? That's what I've always heard. Back in the 50's. Quit being mean.
not until you ask nicely dumbass.
Not until you tell me if what you said it true. I've been rough ridin' pissed about that for years.
What daris said makes more sense than what you said. The residents of Manhattan are Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) enough to vote something like that down, but why would the government want to route I-70 through Manhattan? The whole point of the interstate system is to connect the country with relatively straight paths. It doesn't meander through other small towns, so why would they want to route it through Manhattan, KS?
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In true Manhattan, KS style, just like when we voted I-70 away from town, tards will now get scared and ruin this for us too. eff.
nobody voted I70 away from town dumbass.
Really? That's what I've always heard. Back in the 50's. Quit being mean.
not until you ask nicely dumbass.
Not until you tell me if what you said it true. I've been rough ridin' pissed about that for years.
What daris said makes more sense than what you said. The residents of Manhattan are Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) enough to vote something like that down, but why would the government want to route I-70 through Manhattan? The whole point of the interstate system is to connect the country with relatively straight paths. It doesn't meander through other small towns, so why would they want to route it through Manhattan, KS?
There's a major university and stuff here, why wouldn't they?
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In true Manhattan, KS style, just like when we voted I-70 away from town, tards will now get scared and ruin this for us too. eff.
nobody voted I70 away from town dumbass.
Really? That's what I've always heard. Back in the 50's. Quit being mean.
not until you ask nicely dumbass.
Not until you tell me if what you said it true. I've been effing pissed about that for years.
What daris said makes more sense than what you said. The residents of Manhattan are Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) enough to vote something like that down, but why would the government want to route I-70 through Manhattan? The whole point of the interstate system is to connect the country with relatively straight paths. It doesn't meander through other small towns, so why would they want to route it through Manhattan, KS?
There's a major university and stuff here, why wouldn't they?
politics
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In true Manhattan, KS style, just like when we voted I-70 away from town, tards will now get scared and ruin this for us too. eff.
nobody voted I70 away from town dumbass.
Really? That's what I've always heard. Back in the 50's. Quit being mean.
not until you ask nicely dumbass.
Not until you tell me if what you said it true. I've been rough ridin' pissed about that for years.
What daris said makes more sense than what you said. The residents of Manhattan are Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) enough to vote something like that down, but why would the government want to route I-70 through Manhattan? The whole point of the interstate system is to connect the country with relatively straight paths. It doesn't meander through other small towns, so why would they want to route it through Manhattan, KS?
There's a major university and stuff here, why wouldn't they?
When I-70 was being built K-State had less than 7,000 students.
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Good thing there's no cattle in Texas.
So, why not put it in Puerto Rico? And I hear they aren't using Alcatraz any longer, so that's on the table, too.
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Distinguished KSU professor just confirmed that I-70 was, in fact, voted down.
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I thought interstates were all about military movement. Quick access country wide for response as needed. (was told this by some AF bigwig)
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I thought interstates were all about military movement. Quick access country wide for response as needed. (was told this by some AF bigwig)
That would explain its proximity to Ft. Riley.
Who f*ckin' cares if you have to take a highway (that's also 4 lanes) other than I-70 to get into Manhattan. . . other than people that sell gas, food, and lodging, but who else???? I have a hard time believing any group of townsfolk is that stupid.
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Distinguished KSU professor just confirmed that I-70 was, in fact, voted down.
change distinguished to Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and you just might be on to something. i do not believe your source. make him give you his.
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Pretty sure something like that happened to Wichita as well. I think they were trying to decide if I-35 would go though Hutch or Wichita, Wichita won and has grown exponentially faster than Hutch ever since.
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if mhk did vote I-70 down, it was like the smartest thing that the town has ever done. like ever.
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Distinguished KSU professor just confirmed that I-70 was, in fact, voted down.
change distinguished to Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and you just might be on to something. i do not believe your source. make him give you his.
He was alive back then, so I think he's his own source.
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if mhk did vote I-70 down, it was like the smartest thing that the town has ever done. like ever.
I respect your ability to form passionate opinions about anything.
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I want NBAF. And I will have it.
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if mhk did vote I-70 down, it was like the smartest thing that the town has ever done. like ever.
I respect your ability to form passionate opinions about anything.
thank you. i respect your ability to believe an undocumented statement as fact due to birthday of the source.
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if mhk did vote I-70 down, it was like the smartest thing that the town has ever done. like ever.
I respect your ability to form passionate opinions about anything.
thank you. i respect your ability to believe an undocumented statement as fact due to birthday of the source.
Yes, guy who was there or random internet dude (no offense), 'twas a tough decision.
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"wait a minute. you're actually trying to tell me that porcupines have seven legs and nine hearts and came from the planet shirmafadu? i mean, i just don't believe it.
"but i'm 94 yrs old"
"oh. okay then."
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In all fairness, he's younger than our head football coach.
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i really would like to know more about the vote though... did wamego get to vote? alma? wabaunsee? minneapolis? gove city? was it all the people in all of the towns in kansas or just a few towns? if only a few, how were the towns decided upon? what if two towns twenty fives miles apart (north/south) both voted to have I-70 run through their town? what then? coin flip? two I-70's? were the votes part of a "I-70 vote special- get out and rock the interstate" or part of one of the larger elections? was it a just simple majority of the townspeople or did it need like 2/3rds of the vote to pass?
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Manhattan has a major university so they were probably the only town that was given the choice?... I don't really see why this all seems so far fetched.
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Don't worry, I'll pose all your questions to distinguished english professor next week though.
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I've also always been told that the City Council fought against I-70 going through town. I'll be damned if I remember why.
FYI, the interstate follows exactly the old US-40 ("The National Road") through most of the rest of Kansas -- except that US-40 went through Manhattan. Tends to indicate some truth to Manhattan opting out.
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:surprised:
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I've also always been told that the City Council fought against I-70 going through town. I'll be damned if I remember why.
Mostly to preserve that "small-town feel", from what I've heard.
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I've also always been told that the City Council fought against I-70 going through town. I'll be damned if I remember why.
Mostly to preserve that "small-town feel", from what I've heard.
God Damn Them!
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I've also always been told that the City Council fought against I-70 going through town. I'll be damned if I remember why.
FYI, the interstate follows exactly the old US-40 ("The National Road") through most of the rest of Kansas -- except that US-40 went through Manhattan. Tends to indicate some truth to Manhattan opting out.
us-40 also went through ellsworth. i guess they must've voted it down too.
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I've also always been told that the City Council fought against I-70 going through town. I'll be damned if I remember why.
FYI, the interstate follows exactly the old US-40 ("The National Road") through most of the rest of Kansas -- except that US-40 went through Manhattan. Tends to indicate some truth to Manhattan opting out.
us-40 also went through ellsworth. i guess they must've voted it down too.
Guess so! :dunno:
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Not sure if this has been covered yet but I really don't want to re-read this entire thread. Anyhoos- That show with The Body Ventura, Conspiracy Theory is investigating the NBAF. Show just started but I've already seen BSFS and some other views of elite MHK. The show seems to be very much against moving the facility to MHK. (I'm too stupid to find a better word than gay).
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If this thing doesn't happen, I'm burning my fan card.
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Not sure if this has been covered yet but I really don't want to re-read this entire thread. Anyhoos- That show with The Body Ventura, Conspiracy Theory is investigating the NBAF. Show just started but I've already seen BSFS and some other views of elite MHK. The show seems to be very much against moving the facility to MHK. (I'm too stupid to find a better word than gay).
This show is hilarious fwiw.
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I actually turned it about halfway through. At one point they referenced a need to quarantine a 3-5 mile radius around the NBAF in case of an outbreak. They estimated the human and livestock population within that radius to be 300k-400k. I must have misunderstood them because I can't imagine that estimate was anywhere close to the actual population.
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http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/news/2011/02/14/national-bio-and-agro-defense-makes.html
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http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/news/2011/02/14/national-bio-and-agro-defense-makes.html
Of course. I'm sure Kathleen is in his ear about it all the time.
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So, that's what it will look like? Sexy. :fatty:
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So, that's what it will look like? Sexy. :fatty:
omg...amazing rendering.
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That looks like an incredible summer night in MHK. Want to be there.
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That looks like an incredible summer night in MHK. Want to be there.
I know, right? Are those grass clippings on the sidewalk? You can almost smell them. And it looks like the scientists are enjoying Manhattan.
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I want to work there :horrorsurprise:
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oh my
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I want to work there :horrorsurprise:
I want to live there
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I've seen some other renderings from it that are pretty nice as well.
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I've seen some other renderings from it that are pretty nice as well.
any that have a link??
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I've seen some other renderings from it that are pretty nice as well.
any that have a link??
FWIW, the building is looking better with each updated rendering.
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So, that's what it will look like? Sexy. :fatty:
Why is the guy on the right running?
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So, that's what it will look like? Sexy. :fatty:
Why is the guy on the right running?
Emergency Evacuation.
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i want to have sex with that building in its ear, omfg.
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I've seen some other renderings from it that are pretty nice as well.
any that have a link??
pretty sure they were for internal use. You'll most likely see them all once the funding goes through.
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So, that's what it will look like? Sexy. :fatty:
Why is the guy on the right running?
Emergency Evacuation.
this is a remarkable render. I would like to see a full res version. Loose leaves on the ground - JFC, nobody does this.
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I just want to lay in that rough ridin' grass.
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I just want to lay in that effing grass.
and bury my nose in it and take a giant breath.
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So, that's what it will look like? Sexy. :fatty:
Why is the guy on the right running?
Terrorist.
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So, that's what it will look like? Sexy. :fatty:
Why is the guy on the right running?
Terrorist.
lol
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I just want to lay in that effing grass.
and bury my nose in it and take a giant breath.
. . . and let the various virulent disease residues in the grass frolic amongst my nose hairs.
My brother the Biologist has already informed me of the "Dustin Hoffman in a Bio Hazard suit" scenarios involved with NBAF.
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meh.
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soo.. Noodles and Company?? any good?
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It's pretty good. Ya know, if you like noodles.
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soo.. Noodles and Company?? any good?
mrs. dave eats there, like, once a week. likes the thai salad. why you would go to a noodle place and get a salad is not a question I'm qualified to answer.
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All these new eating places coming to MHK. It's beginning to be too much, ya know?
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soo.. Noodles and Company?? any good?
that place sucks ass. i've been twice. both times were garbage. i went the second time thinking that i must have gotten the wrong thing the first time so i ordered something different. complete, total, garbage.
i'd rather eat the slop that weird robert's wife cooks in a crock pot then eat at noodles and company. :flush:
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kstate_pres Kirk H. Schulz
HUGE victory for NBAF today - $40M in federal budget to build the central utility plant - big thanks to our KS delegation! #KState
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kstate_pres Kirk H. Schulz
HUGE victory for NBAF today - $40M in federal budget to build the central utility plant - big thanks to our KS delegation! #KState
:excited:
does this $40M include the lazy river switching station for the junction-manhattan area rapid transit?
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kstate_pres Kirk H. Schulz
by austin_meek
A $5M gift commitment to Kansas State and $40M commitment for NBAF - not a bad week at all to be a Wildcat! #KState #Purplepride
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when are the skyscrapers going to be built?
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hopefully they put that on their SPG card. that's a shitload of miles.
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A housing shortage is prompting Kansas State to pay returning students to give up their dorm rooms and live off campus. The university is offering students with approved dormitory contracts $1,000 if they agree to live somewhere else.
Pat Bosco, vice president of student life at Kansas State, says the school is expecting record enrollment and wants to ensure adequate on-campus housing for incoming freshmen
The school expects to pass last year's record enrollment of 25,581
Reporter Guy: Kirk how many students are you expecting to enroll this year?
Kirk: What was the largest enrollment in the country last year?
Reporter Guy: 58,371 at ASU
Kirk: 58,372 :kstategrad:
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Maybe if bill effing old balls synder wasnt making so much god damned money we could build another dorm or something
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Wait, we are giving a G to returning students because the whole country is beating down our door to attend EMAWU?
:kstategrad:
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Who the eff lives in the dorm after their freshmen year anyway?
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Wait, we are giving a G to returning students because the whole country is beating down our door to attend EMAWU?
:kstategrad:
Stonestreet effect. reelin em'
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Rumblings that NBAF is mumped.
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Rumblings that NBAF is mumped.
there was a pretty big article in the merc yesterday. i'm not sure what to think. far away from a done deal though.
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Rumblings that NBAF is mumped.
there was a pretty big article in the merc yesterday. i'm not sure what to think. far away from a done deal though.
Can we blame it on Snyder and/or his recruiting in anyway?
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Rumblings that NBAF is mumped.
Wasn't there some big hearing this or last week in DC on this? Iirc it was about the safety issue again dealing with nat disasters and how many were pushing for it to be back on an island.
I remember hearing about the hearing coming up, but never anything about the outcome.
Ultimate KITN for Manhattan if true.
I bet tmcats is thrilled
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I blame the Chamber of commerce or harrasing aggieville bar owners. NBAF wanted no part of that.
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none :cry:
http://online.wsj.com/article/AP15f3f45536844b83a5ffdf71e9124ba8.html
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that's too bad. def not a done deal either way which is also sad. oh well, at least they built the wall around it. they can't take that away from us.
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Guess the townies freaking out about the germ lab can breath a sigh of relief.
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How bout we then put the world's largest Orange Julius at the site. Other ideas?
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That entire corner is cursed
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That entire corner is cursed
had this conversation with my wife while driving past this weekend.
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I can't wait to hear from Manhattan area NBAF supporters who happen to be republicans and/or tea partiers who have spent the last three years screaming for spending cuts.
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Guess the townies freaking out about the germ lab can breath a sigh of relief.
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In a gov absolutely buried in debt we can't get a pork barrel project?
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that's too bad. def not a done deal either way which is also sad. oh well, at least they built the wall around it. they can't take that away from us.
no kidding. what a joke.
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I can't wait to hear from Manhattan area NBAF supporters who happen to be republicans and/or tea partiers who have spent the last three years screaming for spending cuts.
That was my first thought.
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This is devastating. NBAF was our only chance to become something more than we are.
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In a gov absolutely buried in debt we can't get a pork barrel project?
I'm not even sure if this qualifies as a pork barrel project. It's pretty important.
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This is devastating. NBAF was our only chance to become something more than we are.
Those AA flights were fun while they lasted.
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Brownback is having a tough year:
1. Boeing jetting from Wichita
2. First year's approval is at approx 30% in a heavily Red state(per radio last week)
3. now he isn't able to effect Washington enough to keep the most important project in his state.
Bang up job, Sam.
Worthless.
Can't wait for his consumption/flat tax to do it's bang up job.
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Brownback is having a tough year:
1. Boeing jetting from Wichita
2. First year's approval is at approx 30% in a heavily Red state(per radio last week)
3. now he isn't able to effect Washington enough to keep the most important project in his state.
Bang up job, Sam.
Worthless.
Can't wait for his consumption/flat tax to do it's bang up job.
I don't want to get too political in the Personal Development Forum, but I'd put his chances of reelection at about 90% despite all that.
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Brownback is having a tough year:
1. Boeing jetting from Wichita
2. First year's approval is at approx 30% in a heavily Red state(per radio last week)
3. now he isn't able to effect Washington enough to keep the most important project in his state.
Bang up job, Sam.
Worthless.
Can't wait for his consumption/flat tax to do it's bang up job.
Pretty sure 2 of those first 3 are victories! No to government pork for Kansas! :AA:
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great lakes air after hearing the news > :drool:
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Brownback is having a tough year:
1. Boeing jetting from Wichita
2. First year's approval is at approx 30% in a heavily Red state(per radio last week)
3. now he isn't able to effect Washington enough to keep the most important project in his state.
Bang up job, Sam.
Worthless.
Can't wait for his consumption/flat tax to do it's bang up job.
I don't want to get too political in the Personal Development Forum, but I'd put his chances of reelection at about 90% despite all that.
Bro, who do you think has their sights on the pres race in 2016?
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Brownback is having a tough year:
1. Boeing jetting from Wichita
2. First year's approval is at approx 30% in a heavily Red state(per radio last week)
3. now he isn't able to effect Washington enough to keep the most important project in his state.
Bang up job, Sam.
Worthless.
Can't wait for his consumption/flat tax to do it's bang up job.
I don't want to get too political in the Personal Development Forum, but I'd put his chances of reelection at about 90% despite all that.
Bro, who do you think has their sights on the pres race in 2016?
I wouldn't be surprised if he were to run for president, but that's not going to stop him from running for a second term as governor in 2014.
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Brownback is having a tough year:
1. Boeing jetting from Wichita
2. First year's approval is at approx 30% in a heavily Red state(per radio last week)
3. now he isn't able to effect Washington enough to keep the most important project in his state.
Bang up job, Sam.
Worthless.
Can't wait for his consumption/flat tax to do it's bang up job.
I don't want to get too political in the Personal Development Forum, but I'd put his chances of reelection at about 90% despite all that.
Bro, who do you think has their sights on the pres race in 2016?
If he ever pulls out the "I said no to government spending in the form of NBAF" I will absolutely7 freak out.
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Yeah, so this thing is probably dead.
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Brownback is having a tough year:
1. Boeing jetting from Wichita
2. First year's approval is at approx 30% in a heavily Red state(per radio last week)
3. now he isn't able to effect Washington enough to keep the most important project in his state.
Bang up job, Sam.
Worthless.
Can't wait for his consumption/flat tax to do it's bang up job.
<political>
This is what happens when you elect a moron that goes on national television and says they don't believe in evolution.
</political>
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Its not over until Ryan Patzwald chimes in...
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At least we got the state government to upgrade a shitload of stuff for us :cheers:
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Well, maybe in a few more (a lot more) years when/if the government has more dollars to play with, we'll have another chance.
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Well, maybe in a few more (a lot more) years when/if the government has more dollars to play with, we'll have another chance.
By then Texas will have done Texasthings and wormed their way into it being located there.
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Well, maybe in a few more (a lot more) years when/if the government has more dollars to play with, we'll have another chance.
By then Texas will have done Texasthings and wormed their way into it being located there.
This.
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Right now we have to all pray for a bio terrorist attack. Pray as hard as you can to whoever/whatever you can EMAWs. :pray:
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Right now we have to all pray for a bio terrorist attack. Pray as hard as you can to whoever/whatever you can EMAWs. :pray:
Dear President Ahmadinejad . . .
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Would be a good time to send anthrax the band through the Wareham for a show or something.
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i think texas has already done texas things and that's why we aren't getting it. should've just let them win and i bet they wouldn't have gone after us like this. that bball game over the weekend was too little too late.
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Guys, this isn't something to joke about. This is horrible news.
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Guys, this isn't something to joke about. This is horrible news.
humor is my defense mechanism of choice. that and alcohol.
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Guys, this isn't something to joke about. This is horrible news.
Yeah, this is way worse than any loss in sports. :frown:
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This is pretty saddening. I mean, i can't exactly quite put my finger on what exactly is the most disappointing part of it, but man, it just doesn't sit right.
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potential sd move to Manhattan, KS is looking a lot cheaper though :kstategrad:
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I mean JFC, do Brownback and Roberts really not have enough pull nationally to get a republican congress to not slash a budget for a national defense project in a red state? This is just maddening.
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A guy on our site that works around the NBAF...
Actually, the "Soft on SECURITY"
Is already being heard. Had a conference call and it was brought up at least 6 times. As you point out it isn’t defense, but the DOD and DHS together is security. Cutting DOD budget + Cutting DHS budget = SOS (Soft On Security).
Chatter is out there that the House might go the other way and onetime fund the whole thing, at least in committee.
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I mean JFC, do Brownback and Roberts really not have enough pull nationally to get a republican congress to not slash a budget for a national defense project in a red state? This is just maddening.
Well, the President doesn't want to fund something fairly large in a state he has no hope of ever winning.
Our only hope, God help us, is for the Republicans to make a play on this out of spite to help forward the, "Obama wants to slash defense and watch us all die," dialogue.
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I mean JFC, do Brownback and Roberts really not have enough pull nationally to get a republican congress to not slash a budget for a national defense project in a red state? This is just maddening.
It's going to Texas. A red state.
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I mean JFC, do Brownback and Roberts really not have enough pull nationally to get a republican congress to not slash a budget for a national defense project in a red state? This is just maddening.
Well, the President doesn't want to fund something fairly large in a state he has no hope of ever winning.
Our only hope, God help us, is for the Republicans to make a play on this out of spite to help forward the, "Obama wants to slash defense and watch us all die," dialogue.
Based on what I read, Obama proposed $150 million for construction of the project. Congress slashed it to $50 million. Obama then came back and said that $50 million wasn't enough to do the project, so he took it all the way down to $10 million for swine flu research instead. That sounds like the republican congress squashing the project to me.
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I mean JFC, do Brownback and Roberts really not have enough pull nationally to get a republican congress to not slash a budget for a national defense project in a red state? This is just maddening.
It's going to Texas. A red state.
That's true. It just shows where our politicians stand within their own party, I guess.
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I mean JFC, do Brownback and Roberts really not have enough pull nationally to get a republican congress to not slash a budget for a national defense project in a red state? This is just maddening.
Well, the President doesn't want to fund something fairly large in a state he has no hope of ever winning.
Our only hope, God help us, is for the Republicans to make a play on this out of spite to help forward the, "Obama wants to slash defense and watch us all die," dialogue.
Based on what I read, Obama proposed $150 million for construction of the project. Congress slashed it to $50 million. Obama then came back and said that $50 million wasn't enough to do the project, so he took it all the way down to $10 million for swine flu research instead. That sounds like the republican congress squashing the project to me.
yep
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Guys, this thing will be put on the fast track next January. No worries.
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At least we got the state government to upgrade a shitload of stuff for us :cheers:
Hardly, the new grain mill and bio-fuels lab that had to be built because of the NBAF site has and will cost K-State and many private donors millions. While the new mill was long overdue, and the additional lab space for bio-fuel research are nice, the State didn't have to pay much if any of that bill.
What does it tell you about the State of Kansas when a school like Kansas State pretty much has to self fund a project like that?
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First the Interstate and now this. Manhattan is due for a make up call immediately.
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Well, maybe in a few more (a lot more) years when/if the government has more dollars to play with, we'll have another chance.
By then Texas will have done Texasthings and wormed their way into it being located there.
NBAF in San Marcos :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love:
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Well, maybe in a few more (a lot more) years when/if the government has more dollars to play with, we'll have another chance.
By then Texas will have done Texasthings and wormed their way into it being located there.
NBAF in San Marcos :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love:
But the growth!!!!
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What does it tell you about the State of Kansas when a school like Kansas State pretty much has to self fund a project like that?
Our marriage still has its sanctity. :dunno:
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brownback is the worst
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Right now we have to all pray for a bio terrorist attack. Pray as hard as you can to whoever/whatever you can EMAWs. :pray:
Yep
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I'm taking this NBAF business way worse than the EMAW hoops loss tonight. :frown:
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Losing to a top-5 KU is something I have experience with. Losing the NBAF? :goodbyecruelworld:
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"We appreciate that President Obama's budget contains funding to add research missions currently at Plum Island to Kansas State's Biosecurity Research Institute (BRI). It's a signal that Kansas researchers are more than capable of meeting the very challenging task of helping protect our food supply and our overall national security.
"However, for the first time, President Obama's budget fails to provide vital resources for construction of the National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility (NBAF) despite his administration's overwhelming support for it in the past. A needless effort to reassess the importance of protecting our nation's food supply is a waste of taxpayer dollars. This change of direction is unacceptable and will leave our country vulnerable.
"That said, President Obama's budget is an exercise in futility and reads more like a campaign document. The Senate Democratic Majority Leader Harry Reid has said the Senate will not even consider the president's budget.
"The evidence is clear that we need a cutting-edge biosecurity level 4 facility in this country. Kansas has won every competition, met every standard and proven its commitment to this project, and we'll do whatever it takes to fulfill this critical national security need."
I'm sure your political jabs are going to help us get this thing Brownback your rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)
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Mr Obama’s advisers know how little the budget matters. As they went through the motions of explaining it today, they noted that big initiatives, such as corporate tax reform and the Buffett rule minimum tax for millionaires, are not part of it; they will come later as part of a broader reform proposal. Bigger changes to entitlements would likewise be part of a “grand bargain” between Republicans and Democrats and Mr Obama was not about to share his negotiating position with reporters.
Administration officials, like the Republicans, know the real fight comes after November, when the battle for the White House is over and several big deadlines loom. Chief among these are the expiration of Mr Bush’s tax cuts and the sequester. No one knows how that crunch will be avoided, and reading Mr Obama’s budget leaves one none the wiser.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2012/02/barack-obamas-budget?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/thephonywar
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"We appreciate that President Obama's budget contains funding to add research missions currently at Plum Island to Kansas State's Biosecurity Research Institute (BRI). It's a signal that Kansas researchers are more than capable of meeting the very challenging task of helping protect our food supply and our overall national security.
"However, for the first time, President Obama's budget fails to provide vital resources for construction of the National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility (NBAF) despite his administration's overwhelming support for it in the past. A needless effort to reassess the importance of protecting our nation's food supply is a waste of taxpayer dollars. This change of direction is unacceptable and will leave our country vulnerable.
"That said, President Obama's budget is an exercise in futility and reads more like a campaign document. The Senate Democratic Majority Leader Harry Reid has said the Senate will not even consider the president's budget.
"The evidence is clear that we need a cutting-edge biosecurity level 4 facility in this country. Kansas has won every competition, met every standard and proven its commitment to this project, and we'll do whatever it takes to fulfill this critical national security need."
I'm sure your political jabs are going to help us get this thing Brownback your rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)
God, he is such a clown.
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Relax gang. Rolling out budgets is much the same as a Wally Judge pregame dunk show - really cool, fear/awe inspiring, but not really in any way part of the actual game.
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Relax gang. Rolling out budgets is much the same as a Wally Judge pregame dunk show - really cool, fear/awe inspiring, but not really in any way part of the actual game.
There is nothing relaxing about losing NBAF.
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It's not like NBAF is going to magically reappear on the budget if it is off now.
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It's not lost. There are about 4,653 different ways to put it into a budget of some sort...Obama is doing what he should do - positioning.
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It's not lost. There are about 4,653 different ways to put it into a budget of some sort...Obama is doing what he should do - positioning.
Obama has nothing to do with this. He put funding for NBAF in his original budget. He also has no reason to care about the Kansas vote, so he has no reason to find one of those 4,653 different ways to put it back in.
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SEBELIUS!!!
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Some of you are just total respects.
Sad
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It's not lost. There are about 4,653 different ways to put it into a budget of some sort...Obama is doing what he should do - positioning.
Obama has nothing to do with this. He put funding for NBAF in his original budget. He also has no reason to care about the Kansas vote, so he has no reason to find one of those 4,653 different ways to put it back in.
The president's proposed budget is a component of what will actually go out.
This may still get built. It may not, but it's not dead, dead. It's on life support with a hand getting ready to pull the plug, but it's not officially dead.
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SEBELIUS!!!
is a $!#*!
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I am disappoint
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This president's proposed budgets are not real and not worth the thousands of pages of paper they're printed on. He has never had one that has ever been seriously considered by the Senate. Harry Reid just says "put whatever you want in it and we will throw it away for you."
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just needs renamed and attached to something completely non related.
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just needs renamed and attached to something completely non related.
I have always wanted to do this. Like, attach it to funding for troops in Afghanistan.
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This president's proposed budgets are not real and not worth the thousands of pages of paper they're printed on. He has never had one that has ever been seriously considered by the Senate. Harry Reid just says "put whatever you want in it and we will throw it away for you."
This applies to every president or any person with a unilateral budget proposal. Do you ever stop being a partisan, neo con, mouthbreather? Does getting a shot in at the president make it worth looking like a complete idiot?
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SEBELIUS!!!
is a $!#*!
looking that way for sure.
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WE SHOULD START A PETITION! :curse:
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just needs renamed and attached to something completely non related.
I have always wanted to do this. Like, attach it to funding for troops in Afghanistan.
we should look into a cell phone project for the army
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Patriot American Flag Initiative For Soldiers Injured In The War Who Need Medical Treatment And Also Assurances That They Don't Get Bio-Bombed By Someone Later Act
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Patriot American Flag Initiative For Soldiers Injured In The War Who Need Medical Treatment And Also Assurances That They Don't Get Bio-Bombed By Someone Later Act
The Food Security Bill for Heroes
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The I Love America Bill of Loving America and Soldiers and Eagles and Puppies and Stuff Bill
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The Let Kansas Store the Really Dangerous Stuff Act.
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ALL IS WELL
I just spoke with BigShotLobbyistCat and this is what they said
"Brownback spoke with DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano this morning regarding President Obama's proposal to reasses NBAF. "Secretary Napolitano and I had an excellent conversation this morning. She assured me the 'reassessment' had nothing to do with the need for or location fo the NBAF but rather with the overall cost and scope of the project" "DHS selected Manhattan Kansas as the location for NBAF on the merits and I fully esxpect that NBAF will be built here."
So its still going to be built...
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ALL IS WELL
I just spoke with BigShotLobbyistCat and this is what they said
"Brownback spoke with DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano this morning regarding President Obama's proposal to reasses NBAF. "Secretary Napolitano and I had an excellent conversation this morning. She assured me the 'reassessment' had nothing to do with the need for or location fo the NBAF but rather with the overall cost and scope of the project" "DHS selected Manhattan Kansas as the location for NBAF on the merits and I fully esxpect that NBAF will be built here."
So its still going to be built...
Well Janet Napolitano might not even have a job in January, so who really knows?
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NOT SO FAST
Asked BSLC is this means it will still be built just delayed...
"Theoretically. One of those funny situations like boeing moving due to defense cuts. The entire Kansas Congressional Delegation is all about spending cuts - until it impacts Kansas. We'll see how the next election goes. Further right and funding will probably not be available for another 4 years"
VOTE OBAMA IF YOU WANT NBAF
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ALL IS WELL
I just spoke with BigShotLobbyistCat and this is what they said
"Brownback spoke with DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano this morning regarding President Obama's proposal to reasses NBAF. "Secretary Napolitano and I had an excellent conversation this morning. She assured me the 'reassessment' had nothing to do with the need for or location fo the NBAF but rather with the overall cost and scope of the project" "DHS selected Manhattan Kansas as the location for NBAF on the merits and I fully esxpect that NBAF will be built here."
So its still going to be built...
Translation:
Brownback: I am very concerned about the NBAF for the next few months until I leave Kansas.
JN: STFU hayseed.
SB: k, thanks
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The Let Kansas Store the Really Dangerous Stuff Act.
Isn't the CDC in Atlanta? Why is it perfectly safe to have a lab that researches pathogens lethal to humans located in one of the biggest metros in the country, yet a breakout is imminent if they put NBAF in Manhattan?
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The Let Kansas Store the Really Dangerous Stuff Act.
Isn't the CDC in Atlanta? Why is it perfectly safe to have a lab that researches pathogens lethal to humans located in one of the biggest metros in the country, yet a breakout is imminent if they put NBAF in Manhattan?
tornadoes
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The Let Kansas Store the Really Dangerous Stuff Act.
Isn't the CDC in Atlanta? Why is it perfectly safe to have a lab that researches pathogens lethal to humans located in one of the biggest metros in the country, yet a breakout is imminent if they put NBAF in Manhattan?
tornadoes
Wouldn't they just do all of their research underground? It seems to me that that would solve the whole tornado problem.
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The Let Kansas Store the Really Dangerous Stuff Act.
Isn't the CDC in Atlanta? Why is it perfectly safe to have a lab that researches pathogens lethal to humans located in one of the biggest metros in the country, yet a breakout is imminent if they put NBAF in Manhattan?
tornadoes
Wouldn't they just do all of their research underground? It seems to me that that would solve the whole tornado problem.
I imagine the concern is support/utilities to keep things maintained in case of a Greensburg type event.
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The Let Kansas Store the Really Dangerous Stuff Act.
Isn't the CDC in Atlanta? Why is it perfectly safe to have a lab that researches pathogens lethal to humans located in one of the biggest metros in the country, yet a breakout is imminent if they put NBAF in Manhattan?
tornadoes
Wouldn't they just do all of their research underground? It seems to me that that would solve the whole tornado problem.
I imagine the concern is support/utilities to keep things maintained in case of a Greensburg type event.
Good point.
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Georgia gets tornadoes also.
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In The Stand when all the survivors headed to Georgia crap really hits the fan.
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No matter where you put it, of the states that raised their hands, there is a feasible catastrophe that could cause some issues. That said, the reality is that structure can be designed to withstand the disaster, and all facilities like this will have emergency operation items to keep it running while the rest of the area cleans up and gets reorganized. Generator banks, battery back ups, gas storage, back up chillers/heaters, etc. There will be double, if not triple, redundancy in all their critical systems at least.
Al the bullshit about nat dist's is just bullshit.
This is about either crazy people being crazy or economic impact. Most everything we have heard are people worried about the latter, using the former to scare everyone.
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In The Stand when all the survivors headed to Georgia crap really hits the fan.
also, there is a v large zombie issue there in Walking Dead
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In The Stand when all the survivors headed to Georgia crap really hits the fan.
also, there is a v large zombie issue there in Walking Dead
NBAF could just have a big firebomb thing like the CDC has. Prob solved.
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In The Stand when all the survivors headed to Georgia crap really hits the fan.
also, there is a v large zombie issue there in Walking Dead
NBAF could just have a big firebomb thing like the CDC has. Prob solved.
If NBAF goes through and something bad happens its likely Manhattan will get nuked. But it would be a quick, painless death, so no big deal.
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so like, what's up with the fbi and super laser being under ood? was this common knowledge? seems like maybe we could just throw nbaf down there too, no?
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so like, what's up with the fbi and super laser being under ood? was this common knowledge? seems like maybe we could just throw nbaf down there too, no?
FBI and DHS do not get along at all. Lots of competition and mistrust.
I heard huge brawl at softball game between the 2 last summer on a hard takeout slide of Janet at home.
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DHS is probs concerned about power reqmt. I mean, what happens when the FBI super cancer laser is fired all the way up and in use while, across the street, they need some large amt of power to play with and store some new form of cow anthrax? Either all the cows get anthrax, or Obama isn't going to get cancer....
Then, what happens if this happens in the early evening when all the treadmills are in use at the Rec and Snyder has all the lights and sound noise going in practice for our first TCU trip?
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so like, what's up with the fbi and super laser being under ood? was this common knowledge? seems like maybe we could just throw nbaf down there too, no?
FBI and DHS do not get along at all. Lots of competition and mistrust.
I heard huge brawl at softball game between the 2 last summer on a hard takeout slide of Janet at home.
Everybody makes fun of the DHS. Big inferiority complex over there.
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The Let Kansas Store the Really Dangerous Stuff Act.
Isn't the CDC in Atlanta? Why is it perfectly safe to have a lab that researches pathogens lethal to humans located in one of the biggest metros in the country, yet a breakout is imminent if they put NBAF in Manhattan?
tornadoes
Meh. K-State's nuclear reactor took a direct hit from the tornado and all that happened was the roof blew off. I think they can figure out how to tornado proof a $650 million facility.
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Rock beats tornado in the paper rock tornado game of life.
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Tornados are the pussiest of the natural disastors. Good grief. They wouldn't get so much media play if it wasn't for stupid hicks in the midwest insisting on living in prefab houses and trailer parks.
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Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback says a reassessment of the National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility by the Obama administration will focus on the price tag — not whether and where it should be built.
In a release Tuesday, Brownback said he spoke with U.S. Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, who told him the review was focused only on the cost and scope of the facility, slated to be built at Kansas State University .
“DHS selected Manhattan, Kan., as the location of the NBAF on the merits. And I fully expect that the NBAF will be built here,” the governor said.
On Monday, the Obama administration’s budget request for DHS included no new construction dollars for NBAF. The administration said it would conduct “a comprehensive assessment of whether and for what purpose a ... facility should be stood up.”
The $650 million lab would replace an aging facility at Plum Island, N,Y., that conducts research on diseases, such as hoof-and-mouth and H1N1 influenza, that could present a threat to the public or the country’s agricultural infrastructure.
The facility has attracted opposition from other parts of the country, which have gone so far as to challenge the KSU siting in court, as well as agricultural interests concerned that an accident or other outbreak from the facility in the heart of the U.S. livestock industry could be devastating.
Brownback said he will schedule a meeting of the state’s NBAF Steering Committee later this month and that he and the state’s federal delegation will continue pushing for funding for NBAF.
saving face?
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did they ever sell Plum Island? I thought it was for sale a while back.
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VET SCHOOL FUNDING TIED TO NBAF
Hayseed Reps Threaten to ruin Manhattans Chances of getting second Olive Garden
New update from BSLC
The $5M in additional funds for the Vet school is tied into the contract with the feds for NBAF. So if they re-appropriate it we would, in essence, be breaking the contract. There is already $10M coming from the feds for NBAF this year tied to that $5M state investment regardless of Obama’s budget.
A few of the more conservative (spend nothing, anti-government involvement unless it concerns abortion or marriage) committee members were upset that the budget reports reflected that the agencies did not request the $5M. It was a recommendation from the Governor, part of this State of the State roadmap for economic success. But that just catches attention of being “new spending” which they obviously have to step in and stop. The Governor’s policy director made it to the meeting towards the end so I am assuming the situation will get under control…although a few of these folks are difficult to control…. Trouble is if this gets national media that would not be good for the state, KSU, or future of NBAF. It creates uncertainty in the state’s commitment to the program.
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Also, and possibly more important to hayseeds, wasn't an eventual Red Lobster promised?
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Also, and possibly more important to hayseeds, wasn't an eventual Red Lobster promised?
cheddar bay biscuits :cry:
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Also, and possibly more important to hayseeds, wasn't an eventual Red Lobster promised?
it's like they don't even give a crap and are happy as hell to sit back and watch all of our money drive itself to Topeka every other sunday
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Does The Animal know about this? Maybe he can just make some calls?
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Does The Animal know about this? Maybe he can just make some calls?
"Olive Garden or GTFO" - The Animal
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Does The Animal know about this? Maybe he can just make some calls?
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi40.tinypic.com%2F2elxyfn.jpg&hash=9fd928b80f792a81196402f8250b67aba70c452c)
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The Let Kansas Store the Really Dangerous Stuff Act.
Isn't the CDC in Atlanta? Why is it perfectly safe to have a lab that researches pathogens lethal to humans located in one of the biggest metros in the country, yet a breakout is imminent if they put NBAF in Manhattan?
tornadoes
Meh. K-State's nuclear reactor took a direct hit from the tornado and all that happened was the roof blew off. I think they can figure out how to tornado proof a $650 million facility.
Remember when that went down, and a whole bunch of people were freaking out, spreading rumors that the reactor core was being thrown around campus? Happy us nuclear engineers clownsuited everyone.
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Rumblings back when I was in school was that olive garden and red lobster were tied together and wouldn't come to manhattan until it hit 50k population. Has that happened yet, I have no idea.
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Confirmed. RL/OG are part of Darden.
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Rumblings back when I was in school was that olive garden and red lobster were tied together and wouldn't come to manhattan until it hit 50k population. Has that happened yet, I have no idea.
Pfft, Red Lobster could sell hayseeds all the cheddar biscuits they need while standing in the middle of a cheddar biscuit field.
Pop has nothing to do with hayseeds and their grease/cheese/carb addictions.
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Rumblings back when I was in school was that olive garden and red lobster were tied together and wouldn't come to manhattan until it hit 50k population. Has that happened yet, I have no idea.
Pfft, Red Lobster could sell hayseeds all the cheddar biscuits they need while standing in the middle of a cheddar biscuit field.
Pop has nothing to do with hayseeds and their grease/cheese/carb addictions.
Would take. NBAF side project could probably figure out how to create a plant that actually produces cheddar biscuits.
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Rumblings back when I was in school was that olive garden and red lobster were tied together and wouldn't come to manhattan until it hit 50k population. Has that happened yet, I have no idea
Manhattan's population was over 50,000 in the 2010 census.
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Also, and possibly more important to hayseeds, wasn't an eventual Red Lobster promised?
it's like they don't even give a crap and are happy as hell to sit back and watch all of our money drive itself to Topeka every other sunday
and on our birthdays.
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Also, and possibly more important to hayseeds, wasn't an eventual Red Lobster promised?
it's like they don't even give a crap and are happy as hell to sit back and watch all of our money drive itself to Topeka every other sunday
and on our birthdays.
The Olive Garden saved the other Sundays/Mothers Day
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Monday, Feb. 20, 2012
Editorial: Raising the ante on NBAF
By The Capital-Journal Editorial Board cjonline.com Copyright 2012 CJ Online. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
FILE PHOTOGRAPH/THE CAPITAL-JOURNAL
Cattle graze in what will one day be the site of NBAF. In the distance is the LHC Bill Snyder Family Stadium.
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Latest by doyourhomework 17 hours 39 min ago
The abundance of fiscally conservative Republicans working under our Capitol dome could lead some to believe that volunteering to pick up an even larger portion of the tab for a federal facility wouldn’t be high on their list of things to do.
Fortunately, that is not the case.
Legislative leaders say they might be willing to increase the state’s participation in the venture — a National Bio- and Agro-Defense Facility in Manhattan — to keep it on track and ensure it comes our way.
State officials apparently don’t have clue yet how much the price tag on that would be. We don’t either, but we think they are right to explore the possibilities and do whatever they can, within reason, to move the NBAF project along. Kansans already have invested in the project and putting some more dollars into it might be the sensible thing to do. But we don’t want to own the facility.
Progress, or the lack thereof, on NBAF became an issue recently when President Barack Obama declined to include in his 2013 budget proposal any money for the facility’s construction. Rather, his budget recommendation was for the Department of Homeland Security to reassess the project, its scope and alternatives.
The last time we read DHS, NBAF and reassess in the same paragraph there was a move afoot by other states to hijack the facility from Kansas.
Gov. Sam Brownback says he has been reassured that reassessment in this case means looking at the money.
Kansas already has given DHS land for the facility and authorized $105 million in bonds to construct a utility plant for it. The price tag on the facility itself still is being reported as $650 million, but there has been talk that the final cost could exceed that figure substantially.
Senate President Steve Morris, R-Hugoton, has said he doesn’t have a problem with a modest increase in the state debt level if that’s what it takes to get the problem rolling. Morris said he had discussed the issue with Brownback but declined to provide any details of their talk.
House Speaker Mike O’Neal, R-Hutchinson, however, said he was of the same mind as the governor on the issue and that if the financing scheme has to change to get NBAF built that’s what should be done.
Bonding, O’Neal said, could be part of the solution.
Those conversations indicate nothing is set in stone, but clearly O’Neal; Morris, one of NBAF’s biggest supporters in the Legislature; and Brownback are willing to consider raising the state’s ante if that becomes necessary.
NBAF alone will bring a lot of well-paid scientists and researchers to the state. Kansas also is counting on the facility to be an anchor for an animal health corridor stretching from Columbia, Mo., to Manhattan, that would involve hundreds of animal health companies involved in research and development.
To say NBAF would be a huge player in the state’s economic future would be putting it mildly.
Given the stakes, some additional investment by the state may well be warranted.
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no NBAF = cow aids
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no NBAF = cow aids
Billboard?
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http://www.infowars.com/homeland-security-plans-to-build-a-high-risk-virus-research-center-in-the-heart-of-america/#
We've made the big time. Alex Jones hates us.
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http://www.infowars.com/homeland-security-plans-to-build-a-high-risk-virus-research-center-in-the-heart-of-america/#
We've made the big time. Alex Jones hates us.
Wow, after reading that you would think that within 1 year of it getting built god will go all soddom and gamora(sp) on our asses.
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I love how all these dipshits think that all tornadoes are unstoppable forces that demolish everything in their path...including underground cement bunkers. :facepalm:
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no NBAF = cow aids
Billboard?
Barn.
No NBAF know cow AIDS
Know NBAF no cow AIDS
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no NBAF = cow aids
Billboard?
Barn.
No NBAF know cow AIDS
Know NBAF no cow AIDS
:lol:
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no NBAF = cow aids
Billboard?
Barn.
No NBAF know cow AIDS
Know NBAF no cow AIDS
:lol:
:lol:
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:lol:
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http://www.infowars.com/homeland-security-plans-to-build-a-high-risk-virus-research-center-in-the-heart-of-america/#
We've made the big time. Alex Jones hates us.
I hate the crap where these assholes say "reducing is not eliminating" or some such line. Show me the place that has absolutely 0 risk of anything ever happening.
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Nebraska. Zero risk of winning an NCAA tournament game.
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Nebraska. Zero risk of winning an NCAA tournament game.
Well done
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:blush:
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People really need to be educated on tornadoes, and storms in general.
also, great post puniraptor.
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Barn.
No NBAF know cow AIDS
Know NBAF no cow AIDS
Oh my.
:lol:
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:eye:
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There's no way a dam failure would reach the NBAF site. Good grief.
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no NBAF = cow aids
Billboard?
Barn.
No NBAF know cow AIDS
Know NBAF no cow AIDS
:lol:
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We should put it out in middle of nowhere . . . because putting facilities like this in the middle of no where has worked out so well in the past.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/12/magazine/anthrax-island.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
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no NBAF = cow aids
Billboard?
Barn.
No NBAF know cow AIDS
Know NBAF no cow AIDS
Puniraptor just single-handedly got me over the Cuse/Jamar/Currie fiasco. :thumbs:
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And, another death twister pummels the crap out of a large Texas town...
Just imagine if those trucks were full of shipments of meatgoat chlamydia?
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/03/tornado-thrashes-dallas-area/?hpt=hp_c1
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:horrorsurprise:
New cost estimates discussed Friday place the price tag at $1.14 billion to design and build the facility. DHS officials said the increased cost was attributed to changes in the design of the lab to mitigate the possibility of a release of deadly pathogen.
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goddamnit.
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Public Hearing In Washington D.C. Looks At Alternatives For NBAF
In it's first public hearing today in Washington , D.C. a new panel of the National Research Council will discuss alternatives for the National Bio and Agro -Defense Facility -- or NBAF. The committee will NOT look at risk, or location. A separate NRC committee is taking on those questions.
Chairman of the committee, Dr. Terry McElwain said in an interview last night that the group would be looking at several possibilities. One would be to build the NBAF as currently designed. Another would be to scale back the current design and work with the existing capabilities at the Plum Island Animal Disease Center off the coast of New York. That's where all the high security, large animal disease research is going on now. Finally, McElwain says the committee could recommend scaling back NBAF and working with other high biocontainment labs around the U.S. or abroad.
Critics of the NBAF don’t want the lab in Kansas, where such a huge number of livestock are raised. They worry about the release of a deadly pathogen, especially the highly contagious Foot and Mouth Disease. Others are criticizing the mushrooming expense of the lab in a time of extreme budget cuts.
Supporters say the concentration of animal science and food safety research in the area makes Kansas State University the perfect site for the lab.
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we're screwed bros.
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eff you currie
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We may need to tear down this plum island place
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We may need to tear down this plum island place
goEMAW should pay for a couple of bros to fly up to Plum Island and EMAW the crap out of the place, Paxico billboard-style.
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Kansas bioterror lab: A money pit or a gold mine?
By LAURA ZIEBLER
Harvest Public Media
There’s a whole lot of uncertainly in the middle of Kansas.
Make that hole — as in the gaping construction site of the National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility on the campus of Kansas State University in Manhattan.
The cost of the federally funded animal-research facility — NBAF for short, commonly pronounced “En-baf” — is now estimated at $1.14 billion, up from the original projected tab of $415 million. As the weeks and months go by, safety questions, funding obstacles and political fallout weigh down the project even further.
Tara O’Toole, an undersecretary at the Department of Homeland Security, said at a public hearing this month in Washington that the threat of existing and emerging animal disease remained real, and that construction of NBAF should move forward. But the higher price tag — caused by changes in the design of the lab to address safety concerns — is a huge obstacle in this time of shrinking federal spending and revenues.
“You can’t do research without modern facilities, but the money for modern facilities comes out of the same piggy bank for research,” she said. “I think this is one of those wicked problems for which there is no complete or satisfying answer.”
The White House, which allocated $40 million for the NBAF in 2011, has frozen the $50 million that had been appropriated this year and eliminated funds in next year’s budget.
For Kansas, the stakes are high. Gov. Sam Brownback recently said Kansas could expect a fight for the next five years to get the lab up and running. The state has promised more than $200 million in direct payments and in-kind support for the lab — and has already spent almost a third of that on the site.
There is support at the highest federal levels. Earlier this month U.S. Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack talked about the NBAF after delivering a lecture at K-State. He said his department would work with Congress and the Department of Homeland Security to fund the project.
“I think it’s important for this project to be perceived as more than just a project for Kansas State or for the state of Kansas,” Vilsack said. “I think it’s a national priority, and we’re going to continue to advocate for it with the Department of Homeland Security.”
But it is an open question whether NBAF will fall victim to the federal money pit or fulfill its promise as a Kansas gold mine.
Threats in the air
After the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the new Department of Homeland Security said the Plum Island Animal Disease Center was too old to protect U.S. agriculture from a terrorist threat. The Cold War-era facility off the coast of Long Island, N.Y., was the only place in the country to have studied incurable germs such as foot-and-mouth disease.
In 2005, the Department of Homeland Security announced plans to replace Plum Island with a facility on the U.S. mainland. Kansas won the job in 2008.
From the start, the plan was that the NBAF would not be just any animal lab. At a half-million square feet, it would be larger than the combined areas of the Atlanta-based Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Army’s main biodefense research lab in Fort Detrick, Md.
But while opinion polls still rate terrorism as a serious concern, more people today worry about the economy. Lynn Vavreck, a professor of political science at the University of California-Los Angeles, said the net effect meant dwindling support for the NBAF.
“Nearly 40 percent of Americans told us that the U.S. has just been lucky to have avoided a large-scale bioterror attack,” Vavreck said. “Another 40 percent said they think it’s because the government is doing a good job. Either way, that’s 80 percent of the people who might think a new facility is not needed.”
The NBAF has even divided cattlemen. The state’s largest group of ranchers, the Kansas Livestock Association, supports the lab, although it is waiting for reassurances the facility will be safe.
But the Kansas Cattlemen’s Association, typically a more independent and activist group compared with the livestock association, opposes the NBAF.
At a recent board meeting of the cattlemen’s group in Wichita, member Aaron Winter, whose family has been in ranching for decades, said it is hard to trust the Department of Homeland Security.
“I’d like to have some faith that they are doing the best they can,” Winter said. “Are they doing that? I don’t think you can take someone in government that has no idea where (beef) comes from and that he can truly understand what we deal with every day.”
There also is a formerly sleepy local opposition that has gained traction as federal budget cuts delaying the project have given them extra time to air their grievances.
Many of those concerns have to do with safety. Studying diseases on large animals presents new and unique problems such as where to dispose of diseased carcasses and what to do with contaminated waste. In addition, some of the more exotic diseases — such as swine flu and the Hendra virus — can be fatal to humans.
Retired political science professor Linda Richter, a member of the group Biosecurity in the Heartland, said she didn’t feel Kansas “won” the NBAF, as supporters claimed when the site was selected.
Homeland Security and other supporters tried to suppress opposition early on by holding public meetings when no one was on the K-State campus and in places inaccessible to many people, Richter said. She said she was not surprised that opposition was growing.
“If it had been open and transparent all along and your view didn’t prevail, well, that’s the way it happens in a democracy,” Richter said. “On the other hand, if it appears to be slid through, I don’t think (supporters) should be surprised everyone isn’t wildly enthusiastic.”
Homeland Security officials say there was, in fact, a six-week period during the site-selection process during which anyone could register public comments. More than 3,500 comments about the final five sites came in from around the country. Homeland Security also held another public comment session in Manhattan this year as part of a new site evaluation.
At that session, Gary Covington, an engineer and a member of Biosecurity in the Heartland, said he was worried that Homeland Security omitted important information about the risk of natural disasters such as tornadoes, floods and earthquakes.
Homeland Security, on the other hand, said it addressed these concerns in its updated risk assessment, which a committee of the National Research Council is reviewing. That updated report is a response to the council’s highly critical review of a Homeland Security risk assessment in 2010.
The big report
The National Research Council is part of the National Academy of Sciences. The committee is examining the threat that infectious diseases, including current and emerging diseases and bioterrorist agents, pose to livestock. Its review will include studying relevant articles and reports.
Based on those findings, the committee will identify the laboratory and infrastructure that are needed to counter the threats to maintain public health, animal health and food safety in the United States.
The committee will look at whether the government should continue to build the lab as designed, scale the project back or maintain the Plum Island lab in New York and use “Level 4” labs in Canada and Australia to research and analyze diseases. The Kansas facility would be a Level 4 lab, with access to research at Kansas State and animal health companies in the region.
However, Homeland Security officials told the panel that time was a critical factor in detecting diseases and responding to outbreaks.
“It is not good policy to rely on foreign partners,” said James Johnson, the director of the Homeland Security Department’s Office of National Laboratories in the Science and Technology Directorate.
The committee is expected to issue its report by June 30.
Sen. Mary Landrieu, a Louisiana Democrat and the chairwoman of the Homeland Security Subcommittee on the powerful Senate Appropriations Committee, said through a staffer that funding for the NBAF would remain on hold until the review was completed.
Then it will be up to policymakers to decide how much risk is acceptable for the new lab.
Tim Barr, the site manager for Homeland Security in Manhattan, acknowledged that the project contained risks but said the government would address all concerns. The lab’s opponents fear any human error would be disastrous.
“We have a lot of really smart folks who put together our recent updated risk assessment, and that document will speak for itself when it’s made available to the public,” Barr said.
Kansas costs
Kansans already are out of pocket for a bunch of NBAF-related costs.
The state donated 48 acres to Homeland Security, worth more than $1 million, and authorized $105 million in revenue bonds to prepare the site. About a third of that has been spent for specialized utilities.
Lyle Butler, the president and CEO of the Manhattan Chamber of Commerce, said the city has thrown $5 million into the pot, enticed by the NBAF’s economic development potential. A study commissioned by K-State estimated an economic impact on Kansas of about $2.5 billion, including more than 750 construction jobs and 320 permanent workers.
The state Commerce Department also committed $2 million early on to win the NBAF, low-interest loans to the develop and money to train a skilled workforce: $1,000 for each job created.
But the biggest state investment has come in the form of K-State’s Biosecurity Research Institute, which literally sits in the shadow of the NBAF construction site.
The center cost Kansas about $58 million to build, and the state has invested many more millions of dollars to support NBAF-related research there.
Stephen Higgs, the institute’s research director, said the facility had the capacity to handle additional animal disease research, including projects that would be transferred from Plum Island. A federal budget proposal would allocate $10 million to bring some of that work to Kansas in the next year.
Higgs said the institute has continued to go through training and certification since it opened in 2010. Those processes will allow scientists and researchers to work on a variety of animal diseases.
“The state of Kansas has invested a lot in this. We believe it has to be built,” Higgs said. “We’re ready, willing and able to be that springboard for NBAF.”
The state funds for the institute came through the Kansas Bioscience Authority, a public-private partnership that the state Legislature created to bring bioscience jobs to Kansas.
Early on, the NBAF was a top priority for the authority, said John Carlin, who was Kansas governor from 1979 to 1987 and is a former chairman of the authority’s board.
But the Kansas Bioscience Authority came under harsh scrutiny last year. Expense reports revealed what some state lawmakers felt was excessive spending — much of it related to lobbying for the NBAF. The Johnson County district attorney is reviewing a forensic audit to decide whether to file criminal charges.
Clearly, Kansas has a lot riding on the NBAF.
Last summer, Gov. Brownback gave Sen. Pat Roberts — the Kansas Republican who has long carried the torch for the NBAF in Washington — the pen he used to sign an executive order creating a steering committee that is pushing for the lab.
In explaining the need for the committee, Brownback underscored the state’s commitment to the NBAF but said federal funding would be a struggle.
“This is going to be tough. The budget environment in Washington is extraordinarily challenging,” he said. “We are putting our best team on the field.”
That was before President Barack Obama eliminated construction funds for the NBAF in the 2013 federal budget.
U.S. Rep. Lynn Jenkins, the Republican whose district includes Manhattan, said the White House was misguided in steering money away from national security. She said the NBAF falls squarely within Washington’s responsibility.
“It’s the right thing to do,” Jenkins said. “It’s a priority of the federal government, and we’re going to get it done.”
BSLC just emailed me this article. Should have their opinion on whether it happens shortly.
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From BSLC
Well, last week the Kansas House and Senate budget committees both confirmed that they plan to transfer the remaining $5M that they were holding up so that is good on Kansas' end. I think NBAF will happen but not the degree it was planned - there won't be as much investment from the Feds and it will be a continual fight for funding. Unless the Tea Party takes over more seats in the next election...gotta cut gov't spending!
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This is another reason to hope Manhattan doesn't end up in the 1st congressional district. Even Boehner hates Huelskamp.
http://www.kansas.com/2012/04/20/2305234/kansas-senate-president-says-manhattan.html (http://www.kansas.com/2012/04/20/2305234/kansas-senate-president-says-manhattan.html)
Kansas Senate president says Manhattan lab’s funding could be at risk
By Dion Lefler The Wichita Eagle
A split between Kansas’ U.S. Rep. Tim Huelskamp and U.S. House Speaker John Boehner is complicating efforts to redraw the state’s congressional districts to ensure the new map doesn’t threaten funding for a federal bioterrorism lab in Manhattan, the president of the state Senate said Friday.
A spokeswoman for Huelskamp said there is no split with the speaker that would threaten the funding for the lab.
Kansas Senate President Steve Morris, R-Hugoton, told a Wichita Republican club that the Legislature will have to keep Manhattan in Kansas’ 2nd Congressional District, rather than including it in Huelskamp’s sprawling western-Kansas 1st District.
He said conflict between Huelskamp and Boehner could threaten efforts to get funding for the National Bio and Agro -Defense Facility, also known as NBAF. The $650million national laboratory has been planned as a center to research and counter possible biological terrorism directed against the nation’s food supply.
“Not to get into too many details, there’s a pretty good-sized conflict between the U.S. speaker of the House and our congressman from the 1st District,” Morris told the Wichita Pachyderm Club. “He’s (Huelskamp) told people that if Manhattan and Riley County stay in the 1st District (as was proposed in some early redistricting maps), funding could be a problem for NBAF. That’s out there, so we’re dealing with that.”
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Tim Huelskamp is a US rep now? JFC, that weird rough rider is from Fowler, KS. Used to have a pretty epic mustache.
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The jackass still lives in Fowler sans 'stache.
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We may need to tear down this plum island place
goEMAW should pay for a couple of bros to fly up to Plum Island and EMAW the crap out of the place, Paxico billboard-style.
:horrorsurprise: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-24/mad-cow-case-confirmed-in-central-california-usda-says.html
The first U.S. case of mad cow disease in six years has been found in a dairy cow in central California, John Clifford, the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s chief veterinarian, told reporters today in a briefing in Washington.
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Vote Republican!
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THOU SHALL KNOW COW AIDS
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Heard a report today on the status of NBAF.
-New York Congressional Delegation will not let level 4 facility be built on Plum Island, that not new info but the person being interviewed reiterated that it flat out will not happen
-Original cost estimate was 450 million. Today the cost estimate is over 1 billion dollars because of design overhaul to protect from tornados. If NBAF in Manhattan is scrapped, it will cost another 40 million just to design the new facility somewhere else
-DHS is experiencing the first round of budget cuts since it was created following 9/11.
-Publicly acknowledge that U.S. facilities are currently inadequate. If congress doesnt appropriate the money to build the facility, U.S. will have to rely on what other countries are doing regarding research on larger animals and those facilities are inadequate as well.
Gist of the report was that the experts agree that the U.S. needs the new facility but the money isnt there. I knew cost estimates had gone up but I did not know that they had doubled.
Talked with a Project Manager that has intimate knowledge of the project over lunch today. He wholeheartedly thinks the project will go forward and that the Central Plant is going to go sooner then later. He made me feel better about the likelihood.
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Heard a report today on the status of NBAF.
-New York Congressional Delegation will not let level 4 facility be built on Plum Island, that not new info but the person being interviewed reiterated that it flat out will not happen
-Original cost estimate was 450 million. Today the cost estimate is over 1 billion dollars because of design overhaul to protect from tornados. If NBAF in Manhattan is scrapped, it will cost another 40 million just to design the new facility somewhere else
-DHS is experiencing the first round of budget cuts since it was created following 9/11.
-Publicly acknowledge that U.S. facilities are currently inadequate. If congress doesnt appropriate the money to build the facility, U.S. will have to rely on what other countries are doing regarding research on larger animals and those facilities are inadequate as well.
Gist of the report was that the experts agree that the U.S. needs the new facility but the money isnt there. I knew cost estimates had gone up but I did not know that they had doubled.
Talked with a Project Manager that has intimate knowledge of the project over lunch today. He wholeheartedly thinks the project will go forward and that the Central Plant is going to go sooner then later. He made me feel better about the likelihood.
The national academy of sciences was suppose to have a committee meet about NBAF this week, and then make a recommendation, I'm assuming that's what you posted. I'm not sure what kind of pull or influence they have on the DHS though, besides being a bunch of smart scientisty people.
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That's just some copy paste from somebody on GPC. I don't know where they got their info or what report they are talking about.
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Assuming it's credible, that is the best news we have heard in a while. I mean, with the public confirmation of bad facilities and the $40M to go elsewhere, seems like there could be some political shame to be had if this doesn't find a way to be built in Manhattan.
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Once this thing is started, how long til everyone in Manhattan is rich? I mean, I know most people are rich already, but I mean absurd rich.
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Once this thing is started, how long til everyone in Manhattan is rich? I mean, I know most people are rich already, but I mean absurd rich.
How long does it take for a room to get bright when you turn on the light switch?
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http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/news/2012/05/16/us-house-committee-approves-75m-for.html
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a million of these guys -> :excited:
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:crossfingers:
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Eat a dick obama. :excited:
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$75M approved for a project that is going to be over $1B.
yet Yoder says:
With today’s appropriations bill, we’ve once again affirmed our commitment to protecting our Homeland by making sure the National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility receives the funding needed to complete construction
You aren't completing anything w/ $75M. you are barely starting anything with $75M.
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well, you have to start somewhere. they'd look pretty rough ridin' stupid giving $75 million to start a project and then bailing on it.
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well, you have to start somewhere. they'd look pretty rough ridin' stupid giving $75 million to start a project and then bailing on it.
And the thought of redesigning it somewhere else costing $50mill. $125mill on a $1B project is a nice chunk.
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well, you have to start somewhere. they'd look pretty rough ridin' stupid giving $75 million to start a project and then bailing on it.
They funded $50M and almost bailed on it until today's news.
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well, you have to start somewhere. they'd look pretty rough ridin' stupid giving $75 million to start a project and then bailing on it.
They funded $50M and almost bailed on it until today's news.
:dunno:
So you think they would bail the $50mill + $75mill + $50 (for redesign)? Highly unlikely. Thats almost 20% of the total project. Would you put 20% down on a house, walk away and tell the seller they can keep the down payment?
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Eat a dick obama. :excited:
You are unspeakably stupid
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Eat a dick obama. :excited:
You are unspeakably stupid
Good to hear, MIR.
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Eat a dick obama. :excited:
You are unspeakably stupid
Good to hear, MIR.
Someone had to say it, thanks MiR.
I am really pumped about this new news. I had resigned myself to the fact that we had built a really expensive hole in the ground, and it was never going to get past that.
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Eat a dick obama. :excited:
You are unspeakably stupid
I thought it was hilarious
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well, you have to start somewhere. they'd look pretty rough ridin' stupid giving $75 million to start a project and then bailing on it.
They funded $50M and almost bailed on it until today's news.
:dunno:
So you think they would bail the $50mill + $75mill + $50 (for redesign)? Highly unlikely. Thats almost 20% of the total project. Would you put 20% down on a house, walk away and tell the seller they can keep the down payment?
No, but I am not the govt. Things get put on hold all the time. Especially when looking at the cost of completion after the down payments is still approx $1B
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Eat a dick obama. :excited:
You are unspeakably stupid
Good to hear, MIR.
Someone had to say it, thanks MiR.
If you guys are over sensitive idiots, I can't do much for you. T's & P's. Getting away from this, I'm very excited about the news.
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If you idiots get this sent to the pit..... :curse:
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well, you have to start somewhere. they'd look pretty rough ridin' stupid giving $75 million to start a project and then bailing on it.
They funded $50M and almost bailed on it until today's news.
:dunno:
So you think they would bail the $50mill + $75mill + $50 (for redesign)? Highly unlikely. Thats almost 20% of the total project. Would you put 20% down on a house, walk away and tell the seller they can keep the down payment?
No, but I am not the govt. Things get put on hold all the time. Especially when looking at the cost of completion after the down payments is still approx $1B
Yup. We had a $7mil job get cancelled last year 4 weeks before ground breaking. CANCELLED. Not delayed.
Also, KSU Foundation building anyone? Again, different scale....but crap does get killed all the time.
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No, but I am not the govt. Things get put on hold all the time. Especially when looking at the cost of completion after the down payments is still approx $1B
Why would they appropriate all of the money up front? What is the time frame for all of this to be built, if all goes according to plan?
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No, but I am not the govt. Things get put on hold all the time. Especially when looking at the cost of completion after the down payments is still approx $1B
Why would they appropriate all of the money up front? What is the time frame for all of this to be built, if all goes according to plan?
original completion was 2015
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Why is CNSCasey doing this? Just let everyone be excited. Good grief.
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Why is CNSCasey doing this? Just let everyone be excited. Good grief.
trying to big time everyone. time and place, imo
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Eat a dick obama. :excited:
You are unspeakably stupid
Good to hear, MIR.
Someone had to say it, thanks MiR.
If you guys are over sensitive idiots, I can't do much for you. T's & P's. Getting away from this, I'm very excited about the news.
I'm not oversensitive about Obama. I'm dumbfounded at your gross misunderstanding of the situation when all you had to do was read like a page or two back.
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Why is CNSCasey doing this? Just let everyone be excited. Good grief.
trying to big time everyone. time and place, imo
Sorry guys, just in a negative mood.
It's gonna be great*.
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http://www.kmbc.com/news/kansas-city/Report-doubts-low-risk-view-of-Kan-biohazard-lab/-/11664182/15117734/-/d4tvmrz/-/index.html#ixzz1xtXNc7ZL
well eff
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http://www.kmbc.com/news/kansas-city/Report-doubts-low-risk-view-of-Kan-biohazard-lab/-/11664182/15117734/-/d4tvmrz/-/index.html#ixzz1xtXNc7ZL
well eff
When we have a non-leaky administration in place this winter, should be a go once again.
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http://www.kmbc.com/news/kansas-city/Report-doubts-low-risk-view-of-Kan-biohazard-lab/-/11664182/15117734/-/d4tvmrz/-/index.html#ixzz1xtXNc7ZL
well eff
Meh.
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So is thing realistically ever gonna happen?
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damn,
Time to start pursuing that GITMO prison replacement contract. Would the townies be down for that?
"Townies for Terrorists"
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Huelskamp off to bad start on NBAF
Rep. Tim Huelskamp, R-Fowler, will newly represent Manhattan as a result of the federal judges’ redistricting, presumably making him the go-to congressman on matters pertaining to the National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility planned for the city. But last week he voted against a Department of Homeland Security appropriations measure that included $75 million for NBAF’s construction. In astatement, Huelskamp said he has been supportive of NBAF but that “when the DHS appropriations bill came to the floor last week, I joined others in the Kansas House delegation in speaking and voting against numerous Democrat defunding amendments that would create further delays for the NBAF project. Fortunately, none of those amendments was adopted. However, because of the inclusion of $5 billion in unpaid-for disaster funding, I did vote against the entire $45 billion appropriations bill.” The president of the Manhattan Area Chamber of Commercetold the Manhattan Mercury that Huelskamp is “going to have to demonstrate leadership on the issue.”
Manhattan is now in the 1st Congressional District - being represented by Tim Huelskamp. He is running unopposed in November.
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Huelskamp off to bad start on NBAF
Rep. Tim Huelskamp, R-Fowler, will newly represent Manhattan as a result of the federal judges’ redistricting, presumably making him the go-to congressman on matters pertaining to the National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility planned for the city. But last week he voted against a Department of Homeland Security appropriations measure that included $75 million for NBAF’s construction. In astatement, Huelskamp said he has been supportive of NBAF but that “when the DHS appropriations bill came to the floor last week, I joined others in the Kansas House delegation in speaking and voting against numerous Democrat defunding amendments that would create further delays for the NBAF project. Fortunately, none of those amendments was adopted. However, because of the inclusion of $5 billion in unpaid-for disaster funding, I did vote against the entire $45 billion appropriations bill.” The president of the Manhattan Area Chamber of Commercetold the Manhattan Mercury that Huelskamp is “going to have to demonstrate leadership on the issue.”
Manhattan is now in the 1st Congressional District - being represented by Tim Huelskamp. He is running unopposed in November.
Oh, eff Tim Huelskamp. JFC. :curse:
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Jamar has always said he wanted to be Mayor of Manhattan. It isn't mayor, but he should run against this guy.
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They finished the redistricting a last friday, the deadline to apply to run against them was the following monday. No one applied, we are stuck with him.
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oh no :frown:
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They finished the redistricting a last friday, the deadline to apply to run against them was the following monday. No one applied, we are stuck with him.
That timing seems awful shady.
"Here's the new district, anyone interested in running, let me know in 48 hrs."
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They finished the redistricting a last friday, the deadline to apply to run against them was the following monday. No one applied, we are stuck with him.
That timing seems awful shady.
"Here's the new district, anyone interested in running, let me know in 48 hrs."
Well color me surprised. :horrorsurprise:
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Tim Huelskamp is and always has been a rough ridin' loser
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So, we aren't getting this thing, are we? :embarrassed:
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Is there any way to impeach this loser bad person?
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In Construction? :D
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http://gizmodo.com/5921151/do-you-live-near-a-high-containment-biohazard-laboratory
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clams and I almost stopped to pose by the sign out on the highway.
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yeah, I hear clams may have been a bit biologically contaminated....HEY OH!!!!!!!!!!!
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Best part:
This is the most dangerous type of pathogen research facility, the kind of structures you see in movies like Outbreak.
Also, it has been "under construction" technically for like 2 yrs and technically will continue to be, with or without being funded, until the project is killed by the Fed govt while Sam Brownback continues to hate on gays, brown people, and those who believe in evolution.
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Best part:
This is the most dangerous type of pathogen research facility, the kind of structures you see in movies like Outbreak.
Also, it has been "under construction" technically for like 2 yrs and technically will continue to be, with or without being funded, until the project is killed by the Fed govt while Sam Brownback continues to hate on gays, brown people, and those who believe in evolution.
Tim Huelskamp wants to build the facility, but the disaster funding just is not in the budget. As soon as the federal government starts running on a surplus, he will be able to support funding emergency disaster relief in case of catastrophic failure in his own rough ridin' district.
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Panel endorses need for NBAF, but questions size
Kansas City Business Journal by David Twiddy, Reporter
Date: Friday, July 13, 2012, 12:05pm CDT
Related:Health Care, Manhattan, Agriculture
David Twiddy
Reporter- Kansas City Business Journal
Email | Twitter | Health care coverage | Transportation coverage Proponents of building a National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility in Manhattan, Kan., got good — but not great — news from a scientific panel.
A federal panel of scientific experts agrees that the United States needs a new top-level biocontainment laboratory to protect the public while researching some of the most dangerous threats facing animal safety.
However, the National Research Council National Research Council Latest from The Business Journals Scientists’ report is clear: Start NBAF construction nowReport urges holistic approach to offshore safety practicesNBAF supporters forging ahead after report cites flaws Follow this company says that those goals could be met with a smaller, less expensive version of the National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility, or NBAF, currently planned for construction in Manhattan.
“A partnership of a central national laboratory of reduced scope and size and a distributed laboratory network can effectively protect the United States from (foreign animal) and zoonotic diseases, potentially realize cost savings, reduce redundancies while increasing efficiencies, and enhance the cohesiveness of a national system of biocontainment laboratories,” the panel wrote in a report released Friday.
The report was done after the Obama Administration did not include additional construction dollars of the NBAF in the proposed 2013 federal budget. Instead, the administration requested the Department of Homeland Security to perform a comprehensive assessment of the project, including “whether and for what purpose a ... facility should be stood up.”
The NBAF, currently estimated to cost $1.14 billion and be built at Kansas State University Kansas State University Latest from The Business Journals University of Kansas Cancer Center timeline: The path to NCI designationMike King brings experience to bear as new head of KDOTRockhurst, UMKC create joint program for engineering students in Kansas City Follow this company , would conduct research on such high-risk diseases as foot-and-mouth disease. It would replace an aging research facility on Plum Island, off the coast of New York.
While the panel didn’t specifically recommend whether planners should stick with the current NBAF plan or move to a scaled-down model, members agreed that the Plum Island facility has outlived its usefulness.
New York lawmakers have lobbied against the NBAF, requesting that Plum Island be renovated to meet current standards dealing with the most dangerous substances.
But the U.S. Department of Homeland Security U.S. Department of Homeland Security Latest from The Business Journals Follow this company told the panel that such a facility, called a Biosafety Level 4-Large Animal lab, couldn’t be built on Plum Island and that the only labs of that type exist overseas.
“Given the uncertainty over priorities of a foreign laboratory and logistical difficulties in an emergency, it would not be desirable for the United States to rely on international laboratories to meet (Level 4) large-animal needs in the long term,” the panel wrote.
The report is the second one this year to come from the National Research Council dealing with NBAF.
A separate panel of experts last month determined that designs for the NBAF were a “substantial improvement” and met most safety requirements. However, the group faulted Homeland Securities’ process for estimating the danger of dangerous substances escaping from the facility.
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so on a scale of mumped to proper mumped, exactly how mumped are we? tia.
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Look, it's not going to get built. The job was designed, funded, located, approved, and started. Since then it has had it's size, safety, budget, need, etc questioned multiple times each which tells you there is a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) large contingent of people out there who are going to throw any banana peel in the way they can until some chink is found in Manhattan's armor that will allow Texas to get what Texas wants.
Resign yourself to this and be happy if I end up wrong.
KS doesn't have an abundance of political leverage and we have crap representatives at the gov level and in Washington. Put that together with another, more powerfully state, wanting what we have, and crap doesn't look good.
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Look, it's not going to get built. The job was designed, funded, located, approved, and started. Since then it has had it's size, safety, budget, need, etc questioned multiple times each which tells you there is a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) large contingent of people out there who are going to throw any banana peel in the way they can until some chink is found in Manhattan's armor that will allow Texas to get what Texas wants.
Resign yourself to this and be happy if I end up wrong.
KS doesn't have an abundance of political leverage and we have crap representatives at the gov level and in Washington. Put that together with another, more powerfully state, wanting what we have, and crap doesn't look good.
Although many people dislike brownback, he was really good at forcing crap through when he was in the senate. I don't think we were as prepared as we needed to be to take on the NY lobby/politics.
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Look it is not going in NY...the report said that they can't rennovate the Plum Island Facility to make it work.
The NY political folks are just trying to put up what appears to be a good fight in an election year...
It will be built in Manhattan, it's just going to take 3x as long, cost 4x as much and be half the size they initally stated because instead of setting aside the money to begin with and getting the damn thing built the butthurt jackasses in Washington just keep getting in the way. Politicans even when the lose initally always want to look like they put up a good fight, nevermind if they end-up costing us more money to get the same or less of a product, they just need to try to look like they were trying to save $, and the moron voters will eat it up.
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well I was just in manhattan and there were all sorts of great signs about nbaf being in manhattan, so I'm pretty sure it is getting built, I mean we already have the signs in place
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GSA recommends that the federal government go ahead with the planned sale of the pork chop-shaped 840-acre island off the eastern tip of Long Island.
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The Department of Homeland Security, which operates the Plum Island Animal Disease lab, is moving forward with plans to open a new $1.14 billion facility in Manhattan, Kan
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/18/2901333/apnewsbreak-gsa-study-backs-ny.html
:surprised: :excited:
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Guys, how much do you think that porkchop island costs? Could be an elite vacation spot within striking distance of NYC. EMAW Island???
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Guys, how much do you think that porkchop island costs? Could be an elite vacation spot within striking distance of NYC. EMAW Island???
I would build a home there, name it "Meatgoat Manor"
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Yes, please! We'd rule the Hamptons: "Want to come back to my island?"
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https://blogs.k-state.edu/kstatenews/2012/07/31/video-tour-of-the-future-nbaf-site/
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https://blogs.k-state.edu/kstatenews/2012/07/31/video-tour-of-the-future-nbaf-site/
I've seen this video before today, so why was it posted on kstate news today? This has been a major mind shazbot!.
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https://blogs.k-state.edu/kstatenews/2012/07/31/video-tour-of-the-future-nbaf-site/
I've seen this video before today, so why was it posted on kstate news today? This has been a major mind shazbot!.
first time i've watched it and i just learned that the earliest it will be finished will be 2019 and the soonest it will be opened is 2021. and that's like best case scenario stuff. :frown:
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https://blogs.k-state.edu/kstatenews/2012/07/31/video-tour-of-the-future-nbaf-site/
I've seen this video before today, so why was it posted on kstate news today? This has been a major mind shazbot!.
first time i've watched it and i just learned that the earliest it will be finished will be 2019 and the soones it will be opened is 2021. and that's like best case scenario stuff. :frown:
I don't know. I think I like being super arrogant about what NBAF will bring MHK more than I'll like what NBAF actually brings.
Who knows though? Both are so fun!
:grin:
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Being cocky about getting it is way better than actually having it. Ftb
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if anything it will be much, much, much better than we even dream
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What we really need is for one of the good folks at Sporting News to go ahead and do an NBAF preview so we can all know just what to expect from this thing. Those guys are BITB at previews.
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http://www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/3945587
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http://www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/3945587
so $40m worth of the $1.2b project will be done next year!? :excited:
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time to fish or cut bait!
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/3945587
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:dance:
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great job scoops dave
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20318386 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20318386)
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20318386 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20318386)
oh man, rancher guy was fantastic, even though I couldn't tell whose subsidies he was whining about.
They don't know any more about technology than a tomcat knows about makin' gingerbread.
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laBORatory.
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I'm a member of local 441 plumber's and pipefitter's of Kansas. We had our monthly meeting last night and our buisness rep for the Manhattan and Juction city laid out the time line to his understanding for the start of the NBAF power plant. For work to begin the state must transfer the building site over to Homeland security and pony up they're first installament of monies for the project. When that is complete the Feds will release they're portion of 40 some million so work can begin on the power plant. Our rep anticipated that process could be completed in the next 5 or 6 weeks. I'm pretty sure the have the contractor in place who will be in charge of all piping construction on power plant. Rest assured this will be the most advanced power generating plant in the US built buy highly skilled craftsman and i'm hoping to be forunate enough to be able to work on the project
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THEY NEED THE MONIES!
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Show me the monies!
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Watching a documentary on Discovery right now called Zombie Apocalypse. They were just in Manhattan discussing NBAF. A couple obese neckbeards were freaking out about it and convinced that the zombie apocalypse would begin there. They showed everything in the immediate vicinity - KSU cattle and meat goats, hospital and the Bill :bill:
One of the neckbeards said he felt very threatened by NBAF because he lives five minutes away from it and mentioned that he is the leader of something called the Kansas Anti-Zombie Militia. Here is their Facebook page.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kansas-ANTI-Zombie-Militia/148684351835285
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zombie fitz
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He looks a lot like Fitz.
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He looks a lot like Fitz.
will need to see the size of his eyeballs to confirm.
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Watching a documentary on Discovery right now called Zombie Apocalypse. They were just in Manhattan discussing NBAF. A couple obese neckbeards were freaking out about it and convinced that the zombie apocalypse would begin there. They showed everything in the immediate vicinity - KSU cattle and meat goats, hospital and the Bill :bill:
One of the neckbeards said he felt very threatened by NBAF because he lives five minutes away from it and mentioned that he is the leader of something called the Kansas Anti-Zombie Militia. Here is their Facebook page.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kansas-ANTI-Zombie-Militia/148684351835285
Imagine the zombie aroma wafting out of NBAF during a game and creating 50,000 zombies immediately. Including 2 teams of zombie football players unleashing havoc all over Manhattan.
:ohno:
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He looks a lot like Fitz.
will need to see the size of his eyeballs to confirm.
Can't be Zombie Fitz, he isn't at Tubby's chasing an 18 year old co-ed
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He looks a lot like Fitz.
will need to see the size of his eyeballs to confirm.
Can't be Zombie Fitz, he isn't at Tubby's chasing an 18 year old co-ed
serious question: will zombie fitz try harder to get brain from 20 yo girls?
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It's been like 55,000 weeks. What's going on
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The government has two parties that don't want the other one to get anything done. One of the parties has a subsect that doesn't want even their own party to get anything done. In addition, Kansas elects dumbasses like Huelskamp to represent them on this and his own party hates him. He doesn't care because he fancies himself a martyr and doesn't play politics, so thats not helping either.
Its pretty rough ridin' amazing its still even a possibility.
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Brownback has officially signed the land over to DHS. Its a good step
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Brownback has officially signed the land over to DHS. Its a good step
:thumbs:
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DHS signs land transfer for NBAF site
Washington, DC – Kansas Governor Sam Brownback and the Kansas Congressional Delegation announced today the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has signed a land transfer agreement with the State of Kansas for the site where the National Bio- and Agro-defense Facility (NBAF) will be built in Manhattan, Kansas.
“While there is much more work to be done, signing of the land transfer agreement is a good step forward in securing the future health, wealth and security of the our nation. It demonstrates DHS’ continued commitment to completing the NBAF in Manhattan. Kansas stands ready to partner with DHS to move this important national security priority forward,” Governor Brownback said.
DHS announced its selection of the Manhattan site in 2009.
“This marks a big day for the state of Kansas as the land transfer is now complete. Last week, I spoke with Secretary Napolitano and she made clear construction of the Central Utilities Plant should be underway without further delay. I look forward to planning a ground breaking in 2013,” U.S. Senator Pat Roberts said.
The approximately 46 acre site is located on the north side of the Kansas State University campus. It provides land acquisition potential; highway access; environmental compatibility; adequate utility infrastructure; an available local work force for skilled labor and academic research; and proximity to agricultural, academic, medical and bioscience resources.
“This land transfer is good news for Kansas and critical to our national security. After years of hard work by Kansans and numerous studies that substantiate the need for NBAF, I’m glad to see that DHS and Secretary Napolitano have signed the land transfer agreement and will work with the state of Kansas to move forward toward construction of the Central Utility Plant,” U.S. Senator Jerry Moran said. “The facts are clear: without the capabilities NBAF provides, our country is at risk from foreign animal disease threats. This is even more significant with the damage Plum Island sustained during Hurricane Sandy and the millions of dollars that are needed to repair it, all of which offers more reason to move quickly on NBAF. Construction should begin immediately.”
The state of Kansas has committed $105 million dollars of matching state funds to the NBAF project and $35 million dollars of research funding for transitioning the NBAF mission to Manhattan.
“Today’s Department of Homeland Security decision to sign the land transfer agreement is another step toward ensuring the NBAF will be built in Manhattan, Kansas. We have worked hard to secure the Congressional commitment to make the NBAF a reality, and this step forward will allow construction to begin early next year,” U.S. Rep. Lynn Jenkins said. “Our nation needs the NBAF—we need it as soon as possible—to continue critical research that will protect the public and our livestock from the threats of devastating diseases.”
The $650 million laboratory will research and develop countermeasures to animal, human, and zoonotic diseases. So far the U.S. Department of Homeland Security has invested more than $125 million into site preparation, engineering, design, and site specific risk-assessments.
U.S. Rep. Tim Huelskamp said, “Today's announcement is a solid next step toward getting NBAF literally off the ground. We are excited that Kansas is going to play an instrumental role in critical research to protect America's farmers and ranchers."
A January 2012 economic impact report found the NBAF will employ approximately 326 permanent workers and support about 757 construction jobs. It is expected to have a $3.5 billion economic impact on the state in the facility’s first 20 years of use.
“This land transfer agreement marks an important milestone for NBAF’s construction in Kansas and the security of our nation’s food supply. Hard work and long hours put in by many Kansans is paying off. I will continue working in Congress to ensure this important national security project is completed,” U.S. Rep. Mike Pompeo said.
U.S. Rep. Kevin Yoder said, “The land grant agreement is great news for national security and the state of Kansas. I'm glad Kansas can continue moving forward with this project and that construction of this extremely important facility can begin in the near future."
Gov. Brownback and the federal delegation said they will continue to strongly pursue federal funding of the facility.
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I'm so excited. Looks like this is really going to happen. A great feeling after all we've been through.
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Big win for Lynn Jenkins
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I'm so excited. Looks like this is really going to happen. A great feeling after all we've been through.
I spoke with a Manhattan municipal infrastructure guy (can't remember the exact title) this weekend, and he said that from their perspective it's 100% moving forward....they have a bunch of work to do.
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RED LOBSTER
Site Selection Criteria
Building Criteria
Building Square Footage 5,880
Land needs 1.75 acres
Location Prime regional focal point
Parking requirements 125 spaces depending on available common parking
Building Height 26 feet
Typical Lease Terms
Base Rent Negotiable
CAM Negotiable – Cap and audit rights required
Tax Pro-rata
Insurance Pro-rata
% Rent None
Initial Term 10 years
Renewal Options Four 5-year options
Demographic Requirements
Population Trade areas with a minimum of 125,000 people
Traffic Count 30,000 A.D.T.
Area of Focus Prime regional locations, lifestyle and power centers
Comments
We prefer to own our real estate but will consider
ground lease
http://www.darden.com/pdf/about/Red_Lobster_eBrochure_2012.pdf
It's going to take a few years to reach that level, isn't it?
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As of the 2010 census, the ?SA had a population of 127,081.[2]
manhattan MSA, up 18k from 2000. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_metropolitan_area
who knows what measure of population they use though. red lobster is so gross anyway... :barf:
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Thank god for brownback. What a stud.
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If the threat of disease, mass disaster, and zombies is what it takes to get Red Lobster to Manhattan...then I'm all in.
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RED LOBSTER
Site Selection Criteria
Building Criteria
Building Square Footage 5,880
Land needs 1.75 acres
Location Prime regional focal point
Parking requirements 125 spaces depending on available common parking
Building Height 26 feet
Typical Lease Terms
Base Rent Negotiable
CAM Negotiable – Cap and audit rights required
Tax Pro-rata
Insurance Pro-rata
% Rent None
Initial Term 10 years
Renewal Options Four 5-year options
Demographic Requirements
Population Trade areas with a minimum of 125,000 people
Traffic Count 30,000 A.D.T.
Area of Focus Prime regional locations, lifestyle and power centers
Comments
We prefer to own our real estate but will consider
ground lease
http://www.darden.com/pdf/about/Red_Lobster_eBrochure_2012.pdf
It's going to take a few years to reach that level, isn't it?
How did Salina get a Red Lobster?
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RED LOBSTER
Site Selection Criteria
Building Criteria
Building Square Footage 5,880
Land needs 1.75 acres
Location Prime regional focal point
Parking requirements 125 spaces depending on available common parking
Building Height 26 feet
Typical Lease Terms
Base Rent Negotiable
CAM Negotiable – Cap and audit rights required
Tax Pro-rata
Insurance Pro-rata
% Rent None
Initial Term 10 years
Renewal Options Four 5-year options
Demographic Requirements
Population Trade areas with a minimum of 125,000 people
Traffic Count 30,000 A.D.T.
Area of Focus Prime regional locations, lifestyle and power centers
Comments
We prefer to own our real estate but will consider
ground lease
http://www.darden.com/pdf/about/Red_Lobster_eBrochure_2012.pdf
It's going to take a few years to reach that level, isn't it?
How did Salina get a Red Lobster?
It's a power center
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RED LOBSTER
Site Selection Criteria
Building Criteria
Building Square Footage 5,880
Land needs 1.75 acres
Location Prime regional focal point
Parking requirements 125 spaces depending on available common parking
Building Height 26 feet
Typical Lease Terms
Base Rent Negotiable
CAM Negotiable – Cap and audit rights required
Tax Pro-rata
Insurance Pro-rata
% Rent None
Initial Term 10 years
Renewal Options Four 5-year options
Demographic Requirements
Population Trade areas with a minimum of 125,000 people
Traffic Count 30,000 A.D.T.
Area of Focus Prime regional locations, lifestyle and power centers
Comments
We prefer to own our real estate but will consider
ground lease
http://www.darden.com/pdf/about/Red_Lobster_eBrochure_2012.pdf
It's going to take a few years to reach that level, isn't it?
How did Salina get a Red Lobster?
Salina's part of the MHK metro area and the metro area's population is 127,000 fwiw. I think it's a similar reason why San Marcos has a Red Lobster when its population is 48,000. It's part of the Austin metro area.
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RED LOBSTER
Site Selection Criteria
Building Criteria
Building Square Footage 5,880
Land needs 1.75 acres
Location Prime regional focal point
Parking requirements 125 spaces depending on available common parking
Building Height 26 feet
Typical Lease Terms
Base Rent Negotiable
CAM Negotiable – Cap and audit rights required
Tax Pro-rata
Insurance Pro-rata
% Rent None
Initial Term 10 years
Renewal Options Four 5-year options
Demographic Requirements
Population Trade areas with a minimum of 125,000 people
Traffic Count 30,000 A.D.T.
Area of Focus Prime regional locations, lifestyle and power centers
Comments
We prefer to own our real estate but will consider
ground lease
http://www.darden.com/pdf/about/Red_Lobster_eBrochure_2012.pdf
It's going to take a few years to reach that level, isn't it?
How did Salina get a Red Lobster?
Salina's part of the MHK metro area and the metro area's population is 127,000 fwiw. I think it's a similar reason why San Marcos has a Red Lobster when its population is 48,000. It's part of the Austin metro area.
i mean, i guess it depends how you want to combine things but i don't see anyway to combine mhk, salina and everything in between and only come up with 127k. also they aren't in the same msa.
the manhattan msa (metropolitan statistical area) alone is 130k and the 4th largest in ks. boom take that lawrence msa. face.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_statistical_areas
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salina is not in manhattan's metro.
my guess would be salina is a big stopping point for I-70 travel (basically the first sign of life since denver when traveling east) and the junction of an I-35 spur, so the traffic count is much higher than similar sized cities.
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Yeah, my bad. For some reason I'd thought the MSA extended that far west of MHK. Turned out I was really thinking of Junction City :facepalm:
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RED LOBSTER
Site Selection Criteria
Building Criteria
Building Square Footage 5,880
Land needs 1.75 acres
Location Prime regional focal point
Parking requirements 125 spaces depending on available common parking
Building Height 26 feet
Typical Lease Terms
Base Rent Negotiable
CAM Negotiable – Cap and audit rights required
Tax Pro-rata
Insurance Pro-rata
% Rent None
Initial Term 10 years
Renewal Options Four 5-year options
Demographic Requirements
Population Trade areas with a minimum of 125,000 people
Traffic Count 30,000 A.D.T.
Area of Focus Prime regional locations, lifestyle and power centers
Comments
We prefer to own our real estate but will consider
ground lease
http://www.darden.com/pdf/about/Red_Lobster_eBrochure_2012.pdf
It's going to take a few years to reach that level, isn't it?
How did Salina get a Red Lobster?
That lot they have in Salina in the mall's parking lot was probably cheap.
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:dance:
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SO ELITE
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:excited:
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I am pitching a tent right now
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West side expansion who?
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look at those bike lanes!
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seems like a lot of glass (v high tornado IQ here, folks)
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I bet if a tornado is coming they move the cow aids away from the windows and to like an inner closet or a bathtub with a mattress on top of it.
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maybe the move the cows into the beer cooler
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My goodness that's fun to look at
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I want to rent that room down by the water out for my birthday party. :D
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Is it weird that i'm so pumped up for this guys!?! :excited:
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Is it weird that i'm so pumped up for this guys!?! :excited:
yeah it's totally weird, read all the other posts dumbass
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The CDC buliding in Atlanta (The Walking Dead) had a lot of nearly indestructable glass. :dunno:
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The CDC buliding in Atlanta (The Walking Dead) had a lot of nearly indestructable glass. :dunno:
You mean the glass in the window that they destroyed?
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they'll use hurricane glass. rated to ~ 150 mph.
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they'll use hurricane glass. rated to ~ 150 mph.
Cool, cause I was awful worried about hurricanes.
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They did a phenomenal job of making it look like a place that's totally not full of stuff that could kill the entire community. #bitb
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I wonder if Homeland Security will let us have web cams. Can't wait to watch steel get erected! :drool:
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They did a phenomenal job of making it look like a place that's totally not full of stuff that could kill the entire community. #bitb
if by "community" you mean the entire world's food supply, ya they did go #bitb on us
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When is the swarm of six figure brainiacs coming to inflate mhk housing costs?
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They did a phenomenal job of making it look like a place that's totally not full of stuff that could kill the entire community. #bitb
if by "community" you mean the entire world's food supply, ya they did go #bitb on us
I just meant mhk. Maybe kc. Yep, kc too. Sorry clams, but you're as good as dead.
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good thing i just moved from KC then because guess what, that place is prob stewed once this thing goes in.
also good thing i moved so far away from this thing that no matter what, my food supply will be untouched and in pristine condition. unlike many of you, some people plan ahead.
this thing is a complete joke to me and my entire ecosystem.
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mods, please rename thread "how much death with NBAF give manhattan/ksu"
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We need to capitalize in this NBAF thing.
Let's brainstorm ways we could make money on this.
Think, what do animal and plant people like? Or, what would be a nice change of pace for them...you stare at animals and plants all day, and you may need a break, ya know?
What about a video arcade right next door? Maybe have like a plant/animal free section, but then another section that DOES have plants/animals (some of those fuckers probably love that crap 24-7).
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We need to capitalize in this NBAF thing.
Let's brainstorm ways we could make money on this.
Think, what do animal and plant people like? Or, what would be a nice change of pace for them...you stare at animals and plants all day, and you may need a break, ya know?
What about a video arcade right next door? Maybe have like a plant/animal free section, but then another section that DOES have plants/animals (some of those fuckers probably love that crap 24-7).
Massage parlor with complimentary gameboy tetris during. Plants and animals in some rooms and not in others.
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diseased baby animal petting zoo
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When is the swarm of six figure brainiacs coming to inflate mhk housing costs?
I was serious about the tent, I am going to camp out and hand these guys the y-l_a business card
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I think these people stare at microscopes and petri dishes full of cow aids all day, not actual cows with aids.
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Gotta think they keep one or two cows around that do have cow AIDS though. I mean, they test stuff, right?
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should I wear gloves when shaking their hand?
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should I wear gloves when shaking their hand?
are you a cow?
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come on steve dave you jokester a typing cow? that sounds udderly impossible.
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come on steve dave you jokester a typing cow? that sounds udderly impossible.
:D
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Think of the documdrama's that are now coming . . . and Dustin Hoffman in BioHazard suit flying over in a helicoptor.
Man oh man.
Who will play the lab director in the movies . . . the guy who just wants to forge ahead with everything because he's got his eyes on that DHS Whitehouse posting . . . never mind safety and protocols, just do it.
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Think of the documdrama's that are now coming . . . and Dustin Hoffman in BioHazard suit flying over in a helicoptor.
Man oh man.
Who will play the lab director in the movies . . . the guy who just wants to forge ahead with everything because he's got his eyes on that DHS Whitehouse posting . . . never mind safety and protocols, just do it.
You really have your "old" schtick down.
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Outbreak man, Outbreak.
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Outbreak man, Outbreak.
Tannahill tries to lead the breakout in his truck
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We're finally going to have the capital (capitol?) to start work on the MHK Lazy River Initiative.
The scientists will have to shower first though. No cow aids allowed in the Lazy River.
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Maybe like before we play OU (if they are still good when this thing gest finished) we can give a cow aids and then send it to the butcher and send the steaks up to the OU football team as gifts. Then the whole team would be sick with cow aids and we would piss pound them on Saturday.
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We're finally going to have the capital (capitol?) to start work on the MHK Lazy River Initiative.
The scientists will have to shower first though. No cow aids allowed in the Lazy River.
Chlorine
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We're finally going to have the capital (capitol?) to start work on the MHK Lazy River Initiative.
The scientists will have to shower first though. No cow aids allowed in the Lazy River.
I don't know if you guys are using this a joke but there is an actual man-made lazy river deal/initiative for Jardine in the plans. It's wacky as eff and will probably be totally K-StateO'd up but it's there.
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We're finally going to have the capital (capitol?) to start work on the MHK Lazy River Initiative.
The scientists will have to shower first though. No cow aids allowed in the Lazy River.
I don't know if you guys are using this a joke but there is an actual man-made lazy river deal/initiative for Jardine in the plans. It's wacky as eff and will probably be totally K-StateO'd up but it's there.
:runaway: :runaway: :excited: :excited: :D :D
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We're finally going to have the capital (capitol?) to start work on the MHK Lazy River Initiative.
The scientists will have to shower first though. No cow aids allowed in the Lazy River.
I don't know if you guys are using this a joke but there is an actual man-made lazy river deal/initiative for Jardine in the plans. It's wacky as eff and will probably be totally K-StateO'd up but it's there.
:surprised:
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We're finally going to have the capital (capitol?) to start work on the MHK Lazy River Initiative.
The scientists will have to shower first though. No cow aids allowed in the Lazy River.
I don't know if you guys are using this a joke but there is an actual man-made lazy river deal/initiative for Jardine in the plans. It's wacky as eff and will probably be totally K-StateO'd up but it's there.
:surprised:
I did a walkthrough with the KSU PD on it about 4 weeks ago. All of Jardine except the perimeter roads will be shut off to traffic and replaced with "super sidewalks" which is basically a sidewalk wide and strong enough to accommodate a fire truck. The 'lazy river' flows down the north side from west to east kinda by the rec. It necessitates Edwards hall getting removed or else the lazy river will flood it when it rains. KSU PD and public safety is being moved from Edwards to the basement of Lafene after they kick out the Mercy heath people that currently rent it and HR is being moved to Fairchild hall.
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We're finally going to have the capital (capitol?) to start work on the MHK Lazy River Initiative.
The scientists will have to shower first though. No cow aids allowed in the Lazy River.
I don't know if you guys are using this a joke but there is an actual man-made lazy river deal/initiative for Jardine in the plans. It's wacky as eff and will probably be totally K-StateO'd up but it's there.
:surprised:
I did a walkthrough with the KSU PD on it about 4 weeks ago. All of Jardine except the perimeter roads will be shut off to traffic and replaced with "super sidewalks" which is basically a sidewalk wide and strong enough to accommodate a fire truck. The 'lazy river' flows down the north side from west to east kinda by the rec. It necessitates Edwards hall getting removed or else the lazy river will flood it when it rains. KSU PD and public safety is being moved from Edwards to the basement of Lafene after they kick out the Mercy heath people that currently rent it and HR is being moved to Fairchild hall.
Is it going to be a mode of transportation or is it going to be strictly recreational?
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awesome. edwards hall is a hideous diaper of misery.
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:sdeek:
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I love the grass clippings on the one rendering. So...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skqvezArxmA&feature=youtu.be
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holy crap.
:lol:
what a payoff at the end.
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I love the grass clippings on the one rendering. So...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skqvezArxmA&feature=youtu.be
lmao. great job.
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I love the grass clippings on the one rendering. So...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skqvezArxmA&feature=youtu.be
lmao. great job.
Ya, that was awesome.
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:lol: I love how the ambulance comes, but just leaves oscar there dejected, laying with his lawn mower
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Re: GTM announced today their new expansion will add 650 new Man jobs Reply
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Originally posted by gitrdone!:
They are bringing in a new high tech ink printing process for clothing that is currently only available overseas and takes two weeks to turn out an order. Having the facility in Manhattan will reduce that turnaround to 2-3 days. Will be adding new jobs across the whole company spectrum. They will have approx 1200-1300 total employees. Major deal for Manhattan.
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They're actually already well over 1000 employees. With the growth generated from this expansion, the conservative estimate is 725 jobs based on 15% growth over the next 4 years. They have since increased their expected growth in that same time frame to 30% annually. Those projections lead to approx 900 or 1000 more jobs instead of the 650-725.
:thumbs:
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Re: GTM announced today their new expansion will add 650 new Man jobs Reply
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Originally posted by gitrdone!:
They are bringing in a new high tech ink printing process for clothing that is currently only available overseas and takes two weeks to turn out an order. Having the facility in Manhattan will reduce that turnaround to 2-3 days. Will be adding new jobs across the whole company spectrum. They will have approx 1200-1300 total employees. Major deal for Manhattan.
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They're actually already well over 1000 employees. With the growth generated from this expansion, the conservative estimate is 725 jobs based on 15% growth over the next 4 years. They have since increased their expected growth in that same time frame to 30% annually. Those projections lead to approx 900 or 1000 more jobs instead of the 650-725.
:thumbs:
projected boom in NBAF six figure egghead softball team shirts
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Re: GTM announced today their new expansion will add 650 new Man jobs Reply
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Originally posted by gitrdone!:
They are bringing in a new high tech ink printing process for clothing that is currently only available overseas and takes two weeks to turn out an order. Having the facility in Manhattan will reduce that turnaround to 2-3 days. Will be adding new jobs across the whole company spectrum. They will have approx 1200-1300 total employees. Major deal for Manhattan.
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They're actually already well over 1000 employees. With the growth generated from this expansion, the conservative estimate is 725 jobs based on 15% growth over the next 4 years. They have since increased their expected growth in that same time frame to 30% annually. Those projections lead to approx 900 or 1000 more jobs instead of the 650-725.
:thumbs:
So what you're saying SD is that GTM will be the only firm in the United States that can do this high tech ink printing! :horrorsurprise:
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Not to offend any Townie's big hopes but I wouldn't be surprised if GTM is not around on 10 years. I have seen their financials and they aren't as 'great' as they are publicly portrayed.
I hope I am wrong though.
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Not to offend any Townie's big hopes but I wouldn't be surprised if GTM is not around on 10 years. I have seen their financials and they aren't as 'great' as they are publicly portrayed.
I hope I am wrong though.
Don't worry, I'm sure you are.
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get the eff out, eastcat
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the guy who owns GTM also owns freddys frozen chicken nuggets which makes like a gazillion dollars a day so I think he'll be ok
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the guy who owns GTM also owns freddys frozen chicken nuggets which makes like a gazillion dollars a day so I think he'll be ok
a kstate bro of mine moved out to San Diego to open, like, 40 of those chicken nuggets places
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the guy who owns GTM also owns freddys frozen chicken nuggets which makes like a gazillion dollars a day so I think he'll be ok
a kstate bro of mine moved out to San Diego to open, like, 40 of those chicken nuggets places
just another highly successful wichita fast food chain. it's the one thing they do well.
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When Cox Bros. BBQ went under, the owner of GTM paid for them to come back because he loved their BBQ so much.
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When Cox Bros. BBQ went under, the owner of GTM paid for them to come back because he loved their BBQ so much.
rich guys love shitty bbq
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the guy who owns GTM also owns freddys frozen chicken nuggets which makes like a gazillion dollars a day so I think he'll be ok
a kstate bro of mine moved out to San Diego to open, like, 40 of those chicken nuggets places
john dougie :horrorsurprise:
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When Cox Bros. BBQ went under, the owner of GTM paid for them to come back because he loved their BBQ so much.
rich guys love shitty bbq
name a better bbq place in mhk, hot shot.
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Is cox bros the one near walmart or is that famous dave's?
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Is cox bros the one near walmart or is that famous dave's?
Cox Bros
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When Cox Bros. BBQ went under, the owner of GTM paid for them to come back because he loved their BBQ so much.
rich guys love shitty bbq
name a better bbq place in mhk, hot shot.
that's like naming the best turd sandwich in a turd sandwich competition. cox's sauce is terrible and watery.
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When Cox Bros. BBQ went under, the owner of GTM paid for them to come back because he loved their BBQ so much.
rich guys love shitty bbq
name a better bbq place in mhk, hot shot.
Gross, prolly famous Dave's as awful as that is
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yup.
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When Cox Bros. BBQ went under, the owner of GTM paid for them to come back because he loved their BBQ so much.
rich guys love shitty bbq
name a better bbq place in mhk, hot shot.
that's like naming the best turd sandwich in a turd sandwich competition. cox's sauce is terrible and watery.
which one?
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Had cox bros at a few tailgates in cat town this year, it was good.
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famous Dave's
lol
out of curiosity how many times have you been to cox bros in mhk? i bet less than 2.
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cox bros was really good the first time it was open. haven't had it since.
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Cox catering is fine, because it's pretty hard to eff up a pulled pork sandwich that you but together yourself.
But they are a decent at best restaurant.
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Cox catering is fine, because it's pretty hard to eff up a pulled pork sandwich that you but together yourself.
But they are a decent at best restaurant.
i mean, are they even a restaurant? it's an order-at-the-counter bbq joint. it's not supposed to be jack stack.
is it as good as oklahoma joes? i guess not, but it's a decent, quick, cheap enough, local bbq joint. and that ain't bad.
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Cox catering is fine, because it's pretty hard to eff up a pulled pork sandwich that you but together yourself.
But they are a decent at best restaurant.
i mean, are they even a restaurant? it's an order-at-the-counter bbq joint. it's not supposed to be jack stack.
is it as good as oklahoma joes? i guess not, but it's a decent, quick, cheap enough, local bbq joint. and that ain't bad.
Waiting for Jakesie to rule on whether or not it is a divebar.
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Cox catering is fine, because it's pretty hard to eff up a pulled pork sandwich that you but together yourself.
But they are a decent at best restaurant.
i mean, are they even a restaurant? it's an order-at-the-counter bbq joint. it's not supposed to be jack stack.
is it as good as oklahoma joes? i guess not, but it's a decent, quick, cheap enough, local bbq joint. and that ain't bad.
Its not very cheap. At least not for the terrible BBQ that they serve
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Cox catering is fine, because it's pretty hard to eff up a pulled pork sandwich that you but together yourself.
But they are a decent at best restaurant.
i mean, are they even a restaurant? it's an order-at-the-counter bbq joint. it's not supposed to be jack stack.
is it as good as oklahoma joes? i guess not, but it's a decent, quick, cheap enough, local bbq joint. and that ain't bad.
Waiting for Jakesie to rule on whether or not it is a divebar.
No, too much food for a divebar. More like a divebbq! :lol:
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But yes, Famous Dave's is the best BBQ in MHK. Sorry to break it to you, Cox Bros' bros.
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But yes, Famous Dave's is the best BBQ in MHK. Sorry to break it to you, Cox Bros' bros.
True this. And you get more BBQ for your buck. :lick:
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Cox catering is fine, because it's pretty hard to eff up a pulled pork sandwich that you but together yourself.
But they are a decent at best restaurant.
i mean, are they even a restaurant? it's an order-at-the-counter bbq joint. it's not supposed to be jack stack.
is it as good as oklahoma joes? i guess not, but it's a decent, quick, cheap enough, local bbq joint. and that ain't bad.
yep. pretty good for Manhattan, KS. ;)
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Does anyone know the people at NZone Sportswear? How do they stay in business in Manhattan with GTM?
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Cox catering is fine, because it's pretty hard to eff up a pulled pork sandwich that you but together yourself.
But they are a decent at best restaurant.
i mean, are they even a restaurant? it's an order-at-the-counter bbq joint. it's not supposed to be jack stack.
is it as good as oklahoma joes? i guess not, but it's a decent, quick, cheap enough, local bbq joint. and that ain't bad.
yep. pretty good for Manhattan, KS. ;)
yeah, i mean, what more could mhk possibly expect? after all, it's not Salina or Topeka or Lawrence or any one of the KC/Wichita area suburbs.
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ha ha, only joshing, Rick Daris!
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One of my main issues with MHK is that it doesn't have a local BBQ place that really knocks your socks off. Cox Bros is pretty meh if you ask me, or really, anybody else outside of Dave Dreiling. Maybe, just maybe, someday I'll be the owner of a knock-your-socks-off BBQ place in Manhattan. I'd really enjoy that.
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One of my main issues with MHK is that it doesn't have a local BBQ place that really knocks your socks off. Cox Bros is pretty meh if you ask me, or really, anybody else outside of Dave Dreiling. Maybe, just maybe, someday I'll be the owner of a knock-your-socks-off BBQ place in Manhattan. I'd really enjoy that.
I'd invest a lot of money into a Jakesie owned bbq joint. I'd invest every cent I have into a Jakesie owned BBQ joint by day/bar by night. Every. Single. Cent.
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One of my main issues with MHK is that it doesn't have a local BBQ place that really knocks your socks off. Cox Bros is pretty meh if you ask me, or really, anybody else outside of Dave Dreiling. Maybe, just maybe, someday I'll be the owner of a knock-your-socks-off BBQ place in Manhattan. I'd really enjoy that.
BBQ joint by day/bar by night.
Well of course that's what it'd be.
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One of my main issues with MHK is that it doesn't have a local BBQ place that really knocks your socks off. Cox Bros is pretty meh if you ask me, or really, anybody else outside of Dave Dreiling. Maybe, just maybe, someday I'll be the owner of a knock-your-socks-off BBQ place in Manhattan. I'd really enjoy that.
BBQ joint by day/bar by night.
Well of course that's what it'd be.
Please take over Pat's.
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Guys I have never eaten at cox bros bbq but I can tell you that it's gross
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famous Dave's
lol
out of curiosity how many times have you been to cox bros in mhk? i bet less than 2.
prolly about 10 times. I really wanted to like it.
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famous Dave's
lol
out of curiosity how many times have you been to cox bros in mhk? i bet less than 2.
prolly about 10 times. I really wanted to like it.
wow. i was wrong!
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i would think that BBQ is hard to do in MHK. BBQ isn't cook to order. when you cook it, you generally have to cook a lot of it. i would assume that outside of gamedays, there's a lot of waste which means your margins have to be big and your prices higher than you want, or you're selling inferior food that has been sitting around. not food that will make you sick, just food that is overcooked because it's been waiting to sell.
the reason famous daves does well is because they cook their food in a factory and ship it to their stores packaged to handle the transit time and then reheat it at the restaurant.
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I've never been to any bbq place that really knocked my socks off. Most of them are dirty, offer poor service, and offer low quality food that is smoked and covered with bbq sauce to taste ok. It's good for the price, I guess.
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I've never been to any bbq place that really knocked my socks off. Most of them are dirty, offer poor service, and offer low quality food that is smoked and covered with bbq sauce to taste ok. It's good for the price, I guess.
go to the jack stack freight house you snob
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Are they gonna have a Cox at NBAF?
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I've never been to any bbq place that really knocked my socks off. Most of them are dirty, offer poor service, and offer low quality food that is smoked and covered with bbq sauce to taste ok. It's good for the price, I guess.
go to the jack stack freight house you snob
:love:
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I've never been to any bbq place that really knocked my socks off. Most of them are dirty, offer poor service, and offer low quality food that is smoked and covered with bbq sauce to taste ok. It's good for the price, I guess.
go to the jack stack freight house you snob
:lovelove:
Yeah, pretty much the only reason I miss officing downtown.
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i've had lots of knock your socks off bbq, maybe you just don't like bbq?????
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Cox catering is fine, because it's pretty hard to eff up a pulled pork sandwich that you but together yourself.
But they are a decent at best restaurant.
i mean, are they even a restaurant? it's an order-at-the-counter bbq joint. it's not supposed to be jack stack.
is it as good as oklahoma joes? i guess not, but it's a decent, quick, cheap enough, local bbq joint. and that ain't bad.
Dlew, maybe someone can give us more specific examples of why Cox Bros is so bad?
I think I need help here b/c I really like it. Its not OK Joes, ABs, or Gates, but it tastes good and I enjoy it.
Maybe I just don't taste things very well? :dunno:
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Hey guyz, how about you take your BBQ thread elsewhere and stop cluttering our awesome NBAF thread with nonsense.
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Cox catering is fine, because it's pretty hard to eff up a pulled pork sandwich that you but together yourself.
But they are a decent at best restaurant.
i mean, are they even a restaurant? it's an order-at-the-counter bbq joint. it's not supposed to be jack stack.
is it as good as oklahoma joes? i guess not, but it's a decent, quick, cheap enough, local bbq joint. and that ain't bad.
Dlew, maybe someone can give us more specific examples of why Cox Bros is so bad?
I think I need help here b/c I really like it. Its not OK Joes, ABs, or Gates, but it tastes good and I enjoy it.
Maybe I just don't taste things very well? :dunno:
I think if you can't remember how awesome it was then it wasn't very good. Like I've been to Cox Bros but I can't really remember anything about it. Pretty average, I guess. But I'm spoiled because Okie Joe's is like within potato gun distance of me.
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i've had lots of knock your socks off bbq, maybe you just don't like bbq?????
Maybe. I mean I'll eat it. I just don't see what's so great about it.
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Cox catering is fine, because it's pretty hard to eff up a pulled pork sandwich that you but together yourself.
But they are a decent at best restaurant.
i mean, are they even a restaurant? it's an order-at-the-counter bbq joint. it's not supposed to be jack stack.
is it as good as oklahoma joes? i guess not, but it's a decent, quick, cheap enough, local bbq joint. and that ain't bad.
Dlew, maybe someone can give us more specific examples of why Cox Bros is so bad?
I think I need help here b/c I really like it. Its not OK Joes, ABs, or Gates, but it tastes good and I enjoy it.
Maybe I just don't taste things very well? :dunno:
it's because generally people that live in, or have ever lived in ks, and especially kc, are huge entitled dicks about anything bbq related. they feel like because they eat a z-man regularly they get to pretty much think any non-kc bbq place is complete crap.
it's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), really.
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Cox catering is fine, because it's pretty hard to eff up a pulled pork sandwich that you but together yourself.
But they are a decent at best restaurant.
i mean, are they even a restaurant? it's an order-at-the-counter bbq joint. it's not supposed to be jack stack.
is it as good as oklahoma joes? i guess not, but it's a decent, quick, cheap enough, local bbq joint. and that ain't bad.
Dlew, maybe someone can give us more specific examples of why Cox Bros is so bad?
I think I need help here b/c I really like it. Its not OK Joes, ABs, or Gates, but it tastes good and I enjoy it.
Maybe I just don't taste things very well? :dunno:
dlew and you are on the same side then _fan. neither of you dislike it. i didn't care for it much but i've only had it once so i should give it another shot sometime. sd says he's had it like ten times and doesn't like it which seems like a lot of times to try something you don't like which makes me think that he actually does like putting cox in his mouth and is just saying he doesn't. heeyo! badumbum! i'll be here all night folks! don't forget to tip bartenders and waitresses! :dance:
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lol, putting cox in his mouth
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you could open an identical Oklahoma Joe's restaurant in mhk under a different name and KC BBQ snobs would be like "it's okay, but it doesn't compare to OKJ's at all. speaking of, i could really go for a z-man right about now."
this is just a theory i'm working on, fwiw.
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DLew you are totally right about the KC BBQ palette being extremely advanced, rendering most other BBQ gross. Being dicks about it doesn't make KC folks wrong about it. Different strokes for different folks. Enjoy your Kraft/KC Masterpiece.
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DLew you are totally right about the KC BBQ palette being extremely advanced, rendering most other BBQ gross. Being dicks about it doesn't make KC folks wrong about it. Different strokes for different folks. Enjoy your Kraft/KC Masterpiece.
Same thing happens with Texans. Once you've had Lockhart's bbq or city market in luling you tend to mush everything else. County Line? GTFOOMF.
(note: this is not an attempt to start a KC/TX bbq debate. The best of both types are great.)
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I like Famous Dave's. Cornbread. (https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freesmileys.org%2Fsmileys%2Fsmiley-eatdrink020.gif&hash=3ccd080f28f6f425ae62e148262db150920ca899)
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DLew you are totally right about the KC BBQ palette being extremely advanced, rendering most other BBQ gross. Being dicks about it doesn't make KC folks wrong about it. Different strokes for different folks. Enjoy your Kraft/KC Masterpiece.
Same thing happens with Texans. Once you've had Lockhart's bbq or city market in luling you tend to mush everything else. County Line? GTFOOMF.
(note: this is not an attempt to start a KC/TX bbq debate. The best of both types are great.)
what a hilarious idea for a debate though. ok let's debate what's better, good bbq or texas bbq. my hypothesis is good bbq. ding dong, debate over, class dismissed and see you all on monday.
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DLew you are totally right about the KC BBQ palette being extremely advanced, rendering most other BBQ gross. Being dicks about it doesn't make KC folks wrong about it. Different strokes for different folks. Enjoy your Kraft/KC Masterpiece.
Same thing happens with Texans. Once you've had Lockhart's bbq or city market in luling you tend to mush everything else. County Line? GTFOOMF.
(note: this is not an attempt to start a KC/TX bbq debate. The best of both types are great.)
what a hilarious idea for a debate though. ok let's debate what's better, good bbq or texas bbq. my hypothesis is good bbq. ding dong, debate over, class dismissed and see you all on monday.
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i would think that BBQ is hard to do in MHK. BBQ isn't cook to order. when you cook it, you generally have to cook a lot of it. i would assume that outside of gamedays, there's a lot of waste which means your margins have to be big and your prices higher than you want, or you're selling inferior food that has been sitting around. not food that will make you sick, just food that is overcooked because it's been waiting to sell.
the reason famous daves does well is because they cook their food in a factory and ship it to their stores packaged to handle the transit time and then reheat it at the restaurant.
The best way I've seen it ran in smallish towns is "we make x amount and when we run out, we run out." People will accept that if the food is good.
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i would think that BBQ is hard to do in MHK. BBQ isn't cook to order. when you cook it, you generally have to cook a lot of it. i would assume that outside of gamedays, there's a lot of waste which means your margins have to be big and your prices higher than you want, or you're selling inferior food that has been sitting around. not food that will make you sick, just food that is overcooked because it's been waiting to sell.
the reason famous daves does well is because they cook their food in a factory and ship it to their stores packaged to handle the transit time and then reheat it at the restaurant.
The best way I've seen it ran in smallish towns is "we make x amount and when we run out, we run out." People will accept that if the food is good.
Might as well have just put Roys in your post you homer.
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DLew you are totally right about the KC BBQ palette being extremely advanced, rendering most other BBQ gross. Being dicks about it doesn't make KC folks wrong about it. Different strokes for different folks. Enjoy your Kraft/KC Masterpiece.
Same thing happens with Texans. Once you've had Lockhart's bbq or city market in luling you tend to mush everything else. County Line? GTFOOMF.
(note: this is not an attempt to start a KC/TX bbq debate. The best of both types are great.)
Yeah Texas is obsessed with dry rub and beef-only. But the point is, both are good at what they do and your average person not from a BBQ hotbed has a god-awful BBQ palette. Take the middle of Kansas for example.
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Cox sucks because their sauce sucks. It's easy to make plain tasty meat, the sauce is what defines a place.
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just an FYI here boys, currently finishing up a hog heaven sandwich and ribs from OK Joes, was good.
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i would think that BBQ is hard to do in MHK. BBQ isn't cook to order. when you cook it, you generally have to cook a lot of it. i would assume that outside of gamedays, there's a lot of waste which means your margins have to be big and your prices higher than you want, or you're selling inferior food that has been sitting around. not food that will make you sick, just food that is overcooked because it's been waiting to sell.
the reason famous daves does well is because they cook their food in a factory and ship it to their stores packaged to handle the transit time and then reheat it at the restaurant.
The best way I've seen it ran in smallish towns is "we make x amount and when we run out, we run out." People will accept that if the food is good.
Might as well have just put Roys in your post you homer.
:thumbsup:
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Cox sucks because their sauce sucks. It's easy to make plain tasty meat, the sauce is what defines a place.
did you try the other 3 sauces?
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Re: GTM announced today their new expansion will add 650 new Man jobs Reply
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Originally posted by gitrdone!:
They are bringing in a new high tech ink printing process for clothing that is currently only available overseas and takes two weeks to turn out an order. Having the facility in Manhattan will reduce that turnaround to 2-3 days. Will be adding new jobs across the whole company spectrum. They will have approx 1200-1300 total employees. Major deal for Manhattan.
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They're actually already well over 1000 employees. With the growth generated from this expansion, the conservative estimate is 725 jobs based on 15% growth over the next 4 years. They have since increased their expected growth in that same time frame to 30% annually. Those projections lead to approx 900 or 1000 more jobs instead of the 650-725.
:thumbs:
Easy to rack up profits and expand when you don't pay your employees properly. :blindfold:
http://www.bizjournals.com/wichita/morning_call/2013/01/manhattans-gtm-sportswear-must-pay.html
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But yes, Famous Dave's is the best BBQ in MHK. Sorry to break it to you, Cox Bros' bros.
rough ridin' wrong, sorry bro. FD's is third. Pat's is better than FD's garbage.
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Cox sucks because their sauce sucks. It's easy to make plain tasty meat, the sauce is what defines a place.
ot here guys but what about a restaurant called "sauces". then you have like 101 different sauces that people can order on their food. medium green wasabi sauce fries with scotch bonnet sauced texas toast and hot peanut sauce pasta. maybe even call your "alcohol" drinks sauces or serve them in containers that are typically reserved for sauces. t-shirts that say something like "sauces, mhk. come and get sauced" and then there is like a tongue hanging out or something. :dunno:
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Cox sucks because their sauce sucks. It's easy to make plain tasty meat, the sauce is what defines a place.
did you try the other 3 sauces?
Yeah, I don't agree with the premise of sauce makes the BBQ at all.
Consistently producing flavorful, moist BBQ is the art of it, unless you are talking pulled pork. IMO pulled pork is the easiest BBQ to produce.
But to make good burnt ends is difficult, and OK Joes does it the best. Then a good brisket (ABs) or sliced pork (Gates). Then sausage (ABs).
Cox Bros isn't as good as any of those, but IMO their brisket and sausage are still very good. I'll eat their pulled pork to, but again, I don't judge any BBQ place by pulled pork.
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pulled pork! that's what she said! heeyo! badaboom! :dance:
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Cox sucks because their sauce sucks. It's easy to make plain tasty meat, the sauce is what defines a place.
did you try the other 3 sauces?
Yeah, I don't agree with the premise of sauce makes the BBQ at all.
Consistently producing flavorful, moist BBQ is the art of it, unless you are talking pulled pork. IMO pulled pork is the easiest BBQ to produce.
But to make good burnt ends is difficult, and OK Joes does it the best. Then a good brisket (ABs) or sliced pork (Gates). Then sausage (ABs).
Cox Bros isn't as good as any of those, but IMO their brisket and sausage are still very good. I'll eat their pulled pork to, but again, I don't judge any BBQ place by pulled pork.
Totally agree. Good sauce can cover up mediocre barbecue, but good barbecue stands on it's own.
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then maybe a punch card with all 101 sauces on it and every time you order something with one of the sauces you can get it punched and then if you get them all punch you get like a hat or something that says something like "i got sauced in mhk".
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maybe a shirt that says" i tried 101 sauces and all i got was this lousy t-shirt" and the shirt looks like it has sauce stains on it but it doesn't really. :dunno:
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the waitresses (huge jugs btw) could be called the Saucy Posse.
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Cox sucks because their sauce sucks. It's easy to make plain tasty meat, the sauce is what defines a place.
did you try the other 3 sauces?
Yeah, I don't agree with the premise of sauce makes the BBQ at all.
Consistently producing flavorful, moist BBQ is the art of it, unless you are talking pulled pork. IMO pulled pork is the easiest BBQ to produce.
But to make good burnt ends is difficult, and OK Joes does it the best. Then a good brisket (ABs) or sliced pork (Gates). Then sausage (ABs).
Cox Bros isn't as good as any of those, but IMO their brisket and sausage are still very good. I'll eat their pulled pork to, but again, I don't judge any BBQ place by pulled pork.
burnt ends aren't very hard imo. also jack stack's burnt ends are the best in the city, although they kind of cheat (so does Joes) by just cubing up the brisket flat instead of only using the point which is what you're supposed to do.
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shots could be served in ketchup packets
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also maybe there is one sauce that is like ridic hot or something. i mean just ridic and the waiters and waitresses each carry it around in a little water gun type device attached to their belt and there is a bell at every table and if someone at the table rings the bell then a fire alarm type sound goes off and a light flashes and the waitstaff person goes over, pulls out the gun and shoots some of the ridic sauce onto their food and says something like "you've been sauced" or "try to put this fire out" or something similar.
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the waitresses (huge jugs btw) could be called the Saucy Posse.
THE 'CUE CREW
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the waitresses (huge jugs btw) could be called the Saucy Posse.
:emawkid:
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there could be a sauce bong in the middle of select tables and a table of bros could pay to load it full of sauce and then share it. the select sauce bong tables kind of compete to down their bong the quickest. when it's empty they pay the sauce posse to refill it, and when she does, it's a big deal and everyone at the restaurant watches.
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you could modify one of those soda machine like the one at goodcents to dispense all 101 different sorts of sauces and you could put a big sign on the machine that says something to the effect of "SAUCEBUSTER."
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10% off total bill if you byos
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you could open an identical Oklahoma Joe's restaurant in mhk under a different name and KC BBQ snobs would be like "it's okay, but it doesn't compare to OKJ's at all. speaking of, i could really go for a z-man right about now."
this is just a theory i'm working on, fwiw.
KC BBQ snobs do this with the local chains now with the "i think the old OK Joes/ABs/etc tastes better than new location X"
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burnt ends aren't very hard imo. also jack stack's burnt ends are the best in the city, although they kind of cheat (so does Joes) by just cubing up the brisket flat instead of only using the point which is what you're supposed to do.
Yeah, Jack Stack's are very good. I guess I've had plenty of burnt ends that aren't very good (like ABs). And if they cheat that way, that would explain a lot. I just know I really like OK Joes BEs a lot.
And I'm on board with this sauce place.
I'm thinking they should have something on the wall like the Flying Saucer that honors customers that eat all the sauces. In fact, just steal the concept, call the place Flying Sauces, and use the sauces on tap idea instead of beers.
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Bring in old brewery equipment and put behind a glass wall like Little Apple/any other brewery ever. Pretend you are brewing the sauces in there, even though thats probably not a reasonable way to go about it so you wouldn't actually do it.
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you could open an identical Oklahoma Joe's restaurant in mhk under a different name and KC BBQ snobs would be like "it's okay, but it doesn't compare to OKJ's at all. speaking of, i could really go for a z-man right about now."
this is just a theory i'm working on, fwiw.
KC BBQ snobs do this with the local chains now with the "i think the old OK Joes/ABs/etc tastes better than new location X"
someone told me that ok joes makes all their meat on the same smoker at the original location and ships it to the new locations every day. not sure if true. either way it sure is great living in kc and having better bbq than everyone else in the world, guys.
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you could open an identical Oklahoma Joe's restaurant in mhk under a different name and KC BBQ snobs would be like "it's okay, but it doesn't compare to OKJ's at all. speaking of, i could really go for a z-man right about now."
this is just a theory i'm working on, fwiw.
KC BBQ snobs do this with the local chains now with the "i think the old OK Joes/ABs/etc tastes better than new location X"
someone told me that ok joes makes all their meat on the same smoker at the original location and ships it to the new locations every day. not sure if true. either way it sure is great living in kc and having better bbq than everyone else in the world, guys.
:thumbs:
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you could open an identical Oklahoma Joe's restaurant in mhk under a different name and KC BBQ snobs would be like "it's okay, but it doesn't compare to OKJ's at all. speaking of, i could really go for a z-man right about now."
this is just a theory i'm working on, fwiw.
KC BBQ snobs do this with the local chains now with the "i think the old OK Joes/ABs/etc tastes better than new location X"
someone told me that ok joes makes all their meat on the same smoker at the original location and ships it to the new locations every day. not sure if true. either way it sure is great living in kc and having better bbq than everyone else in the world, guys.
not true. they have smokers cooking outside in the back of their leawood location.
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you could open an identical Oklahoma Joe's restaurant in mhk under a different name and KC BBQ snobs would be like "it's okay, but it doesn't compare to OKJ's at all. speaking of, i could really go for a z-man right about now."
this is just a theory i'm working on, fwiw.
As a KC BBQ snob, I don't think onion rings have any place on the sandwich.
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at the sauce place they could have a sauce fire hose that they use to spray down people who come in on their birthday.
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new plan. not really new but more of an expansion on "sauces"...what about a place called Bob's Sauce and Sugar Shack. bob would be short for kebob. sauce is self explanatory because there would be like 101 different sauces or something ridic and then sugar would basically be the nickname or slang for hooch aka alcholic drinks. the menu would be like this...
you get to pick one meat or two meats for an extra two dollars or something and then those get put on a kebob. then you also get to choose up to four different fruits/vegatables to also put on the kebob and then the different sauces that you want to be able to dip your meat into or whatever.
example- yeah i'd like chicken and pork (upcharge of $2 for two meats) bobs with red onion, cherry tomatoes, pineaple and mushrooms and also the jerk and medium chipotle sauces.
we could change the shirts to be like "i got sauced at bobs" or "bob got me sauced" or something.
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Man, I just realized what thread we are in... the mods have let this crap run wild, must be casual bbs'n friday
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you could open an identical Oklahoma Joe's restaurant in mhk under a different name and KC BBQ snobs would be like "it's okay, but it doesn't compare to OKJ's at all. speaking of, i could really go for a z-man right about now."
this is just a theory i'm working on, fwiw.
KC BBQ snobs do this with the local chains now with the "i think the old OK Joes/ABs/etc tastes better than new location X"
someone told me that ok joes makes all their meat on the same smoker at the original location and ships it to the new locations every day. not sure if true. either way it sure is great living in kc and having better bbq than everyone else in the world, guys.
not true. they have smokers cooking outside in the back of their leawood location.
thanks. I will go punch the guy that told me that.
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Pro-top: Okie Joe's z'mans are pretty good. But it's the fries that make them king. Just my O. YMMV. Go cats.
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Pro-top: Okie Joe's z'mans are pretty good. But it's the fries that make them king. Just my O. YMMV. Go cats.
the fries are very good and I enjoy the z man, but their burnt ends are the best thing they make. that said LC's burnt ends are better.
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Pro-top: Okie Joe's z'mans are pretty good. But it's the fries that make them king. Just my O. YMMV. Go cats.
take it to the okie joe thread. :jerk:
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Pro-top: Okie Joe's z'mans are pretty good. But it's the fries that make them king. Just my O. YMMV. Go cats.
their fries are loaded with MSG.
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Pro-top: Okie Joe's z'mans are pretty good. But it's the fries that make them king. Just my O. YMMV. Go cats.
their fries are loaded with MSG.
Might as well be loaded with arsenic and AIDS. Don't care.
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Pro-top: Okie Joe's z'mans are pretty good. But it's the fries that make them king. Just my O. YMMV. Go cats.
their fries are loaded with MSG.
Might as well be loaded with arsenic and AIDS. Don't care.
that's a lie and you know it.
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shots could be served in ketchup packets
also i somehow overlooked this. that would be amazing. "two tequila shots at table seven" and then the bar tender just throws a couple of packets over at the table and they rip em and chug em and then the whole place explodes with applause because everyone is just having so much fun.
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Cox sucks because their sauce sucks. It's easy to make plain tasty meat, the sauce is what defines a place.
did you try the other 3 sauces?
Yeah, I don't agree with the premise of sauce makes the BBQ at all.
Consistently producing flavorful, moist BBQ is the art of it.
Anything the NBAF can do to MHK cows & pigs to make them more tasty/moist? :dunno:
We'll put all those KC joints out of business.
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at the sauce place they could have a sauce fire hose that they use to spray down people who come in on their birthday.
that could probably create a pretty big mess. there might have to be a "Birthday Sauce Splash Zone" area covered in tarps and stuff
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Man, I just realized what thread we are in... the mods have let this crap run wild, must be casual bbs'n friday
They dont care :cry:
Hey guyz, how about you take your BBQ thread elsewhere and stop cluttering our awesome NBAF thread with nonsense.
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at the sauce place they could have a sauce fire hose that they use to spray down people who come in on their birthday.
that could probably create a pretty big mess. there might have to be a "Birthday Sauce Splash Zone" area covered in tarps and stuff
best idea i've read in years, the BSSZ can have a special "survivors" shirt for people who can survive the sauce hose without falling down
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Oh.
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:lol:
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i would think that BBQ is hard to do in MHK. BBQ isn't cook to order. when you cook it, you generally have to cook a lot of it. i would assume that outside of gamedays, there's a lot of waste which means your margins have to be big and your prices higher than you want, or you're selling inferior food that has been sitting around. not food that will make you sick, just food that is overcooked because it's been waiting to sell.
the reason famous daves does well is because they cook their food in a factory and ship it to their stores packaged to handle the transit time and then reheat it at the restaurant.
This is a really good point. Probably why i've only had Cox at football tailgates, straight off the smoker, very good. Haven't been to actual restaurant.
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i would think that BBQ is hard to do in MHK. BBQ isn't cook to order. when you cook it, you generally have to cook a lot of it. i would assume that outside of gamedays, there's a lot of waste which means your margins have to be big and your prices higher than you want, or you're selling inferior food that has been sitting around. not food that will make you sick, just food that is overcooked because it's been waiting to sell.
the reason famous daves does well is because they cook their food in a factory and ship it to their stores packaged to handle the transit time and then reheat it at the restaurant.
That's every bbq place in the world. Gates, Bryant s, jackstack, ojoes all have walk ins full of food.
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i would think that BBQ is hard to do in MHK. BBQ isn't cook to order. when you cook it, you generally have to cook a lot of it. i would assume that outside of gamedays, there's a lot of waste which means your margins have to be big and your prices higher than you want, or you're selling inferior food that has been sitting around. not food that will make you sick, just food that is overcooked because it's been waiting to sell.
the reason famous daves does well is because they cook their food in a factory and ship it to their stores packaged to handle the transit time and then reheat it at the restaurant.
That's every bbq place in the world. Gates, Bryant s, jackstack, ojoes all have walk ins full of food.
Disagree. I've worked in like 6 restaurants in my day and have only seen that in chains. Famous Dave's fits the bill, Bryant's does not.
Clams is spot on, imo.
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i would think that BBQ is hard to do in MHK. BBQ isn't cook to order. when you cook it, you generally have to cook a lot of it. i would assume that outside of gamedays, there's a lot of waste which means your margins have to be big and your prices higher than you want, or you're selling inferior food that has been sitting around. not food that will make you sick, just food that is overcooked because it's been waiting to sell.
the reason famous daves does well is because they cook their food in a factory and ship it to their stores packaged to handle the transit time and then reheat it at the restaurant.
That's every bbq place in the world. Gates, Bryant s, jackstack, ojoes all have walk ins full of food.
Disagree. I've worked in like 6 restaurants in my day and have only seen that in chains. Famous Dave's fits the bill, Bryant's does not.
Clams is spot on, imo.
just re read this. Not sure if you're agreeing with clams or not. I will review when I sober up
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i would think that BBQ is hard to do in MHK. BBQ isn't cook to order. when you cook it, you generally have to cook a lot of it. i would assume that outside of gamedays, there's a lot of waste which means your margins have to be big and your prices higher than you want, or you're selling inferior food that has been sitting around. not food that will make you sick, just food that is overcooked because it's been waiting to sell.
the reason famous daves does well is because they cook their food in a factory and ship it to their stores packaged to handle the transit time and then reheat it at the restaurant.
That's every bbq place in the world. Gates, Bryant s, jackstack, ojoes all have walk ins full of food.
Disagree. I've worked in like 6 restaurants in my day and have only seen that in chains. Famous Dave's fits the bill, Bryant's does not.
Clams is spot on, imo.
I've been in every single one of those places coolers and have seen it with my own two eyes. Worked for a Budweiser distributor in high school and college, I've been in like every kitchen in the world.
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When I have questions about BBQ restaurant cooking practices, I turn to the NBAF thread.
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When I have questions about BBQ restaurant cooking practices, I turn to the NBAF thread.
+1
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When I have questions about BBQ restaurant cooking practices, I turn to the NBAF thread.
would love to know who doesn't.
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BBQ is just so gosh darn delicious everybody.
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-Just Spitballin here-
Bob's Sauce Toss. It would be like ring toss, with miniature sauce bottles.
"Toss a ring into the bottle pit and aim for your favorite sauce! Try to win your own bottle of sauce to lather onto your delicious kebob/bbq at Bob's Sauce and Sugar Shack!"
Charge a buck or something and stock the pit with all of the different kinds of sauce! The best way to do it would be to stock it largely with the least popular sauce (let's face it every bbq place has a "weak link" when it comes to sauces) and then varying amounts of the sauces with medium to high popularity. But also include at least one bottle of sauce that is the super secret sauce that is only available in the Sauce Toss!
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Thanks to this thread, I pitched the idea of lunch at Okie Joe's with the Mrs on Saturday. Wasn't sure if she'd go for it since we're both in BTTW training mode. She loved it. Just thought I'd share. Go Cats.
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what did you get?
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We shared a jumbo pork z-man (no cheese) and the order of fries, waters to drink. We cut the sandwich in half and then I would put the Night of the Living Dead sauce on the sandwich as I ate it. I think she put the sauce on the plate and then "dipped" or "swiped" the sandwich in it as she ate. I put the sweeter sauce on the fries and ate them with a fork. I finished my water and wanted more but didn't want to fight the people for just water. After that I walked over the TSC to buy some dog food. The old man at the register said he'd been selling a lot of this particular brand of dog food today, and I quipped "seems like it's higher every time I buy!" Then he says "well I bet the price of corn figures into that some how." "Yup." "Yep."
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i usually get the pulled pork z man myself (w/ cheese).
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Where you buy your dog food?
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dogs are for pussies.
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:cry:
I bet you have a pet Apache attack helicopter or something. :rolleyes:
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why on earth would anyone get a z-man without cheese? that's the dumbest thing i've ever rough ridin' heard.
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Don't wanna die. That was the biggest reason.
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Don't wanna die. That was the biggest reason.
I've eaten plenty of z-man's (with cheese like a normal person), and i'm still here typing this message to your dumbass.
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Don't wanna die. That was the biggest reason.
I've eaten plenty of z-man's (with cheese like a normal person), and i'm still here typing this message to your dumbass.
A z-man with cheese isn't unilaterally lethal. Might make fingers type stupid things on keyboards though.
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Cheese can GTFOOMBBQS
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Cheese can GTFOOMBBQS
This. Cheese and BBQ sounds pretty damn hayseedy.
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Cox catering is fine, because it's pretty hard to eff up a pulled pork sandwich that you but together yourself.
But they are a decent at best restaurant.
i mean, are they even a restaurant? it's an order-at-the-counter bbq joint. it's not supposed to be jack stack.
is it as good as oklahoma joes? i guess not, but it's a decent, quick, cheap enough, local bbq joint. and that ain't bad.
Dlew, maybe someone can give us more specific examples of why Cox Bros is so bad?
I think I need help here b/c I really like it. Its not OK Joes, ABs, or Gates, but it tastes good and I enjoy it.
Maybe I just don't taste things very well? :dunno:
it's because generally people that live in, or have ever lived in ks, and especially kc, are huge entitled dicks about anything bbq related. they feel like because they eat a z-man regularly they get to pretty much think any non-kc bbq place is complete crap.
it's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), really.
kc bbq is really overrated and Gates is actually gross, I'll never eat there again. Best bbq is Julius Rib Cage in Wichita and Leo's in OKC.
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Cox catering is fine, because it's pretty hard to eff up a pulled pork sandwich that you but together yourself.
But they are a decent at best restaurant.
i mean, are they even a restaurant? it's an order-at-the-counter bbq joint. it's not supposed to be jack stack.
is it as good as oklahoma joes? i guess not, but it's a decent, quick, cheap enough, local bbq joint. and that ain't bad.
Dlew, maybe someone can give us more specific examples of why Cox Bros is so bad?
I think I need help here b/c I really like it. Its not OK Joes, ABs, or Gates, but it tastes good and I enjoy it.
Maybe I just don't taste things very well? :dunno:
it's because generally people that live in, or have ever lived in ks, and especially kc, are huge entitled dicks about anything bbq related. they feel like because they eat a z-man regularly they get to pretty much think any non-kc bbq place is complete crap.
it's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), really.
kc bbq is really overrated and Gates is actually gross, I'll never eat there again. Best bbq is Julius Rib Cage in Wichita and Leo's in OKC.
Gates would be fine if they didn't use so much goddamn sauce. The bun is completely soggy by three bites in.
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Cox catering is fine, because it's pretty hard to eff up a pulled pork sandwich that you but together yourself.
But they are a decent at best restaurant.
i mean, are they even a restaurant? it's an order-at-the-counter bbq joint. it's not supposed to be jack stack.
is it as good as oklahoma joes? i guess not, but it's a decent, quick, cheap enough, local bbq joint. and that ain't bad.
Dlew, maybe someone can give us more specific examples of why Cox Bros is so bad?
I think I need help here b/c I really like it. Its not OK Joes, ABs, or Gates, but it tastes good and I enjoy it.
Maybe I just don't taste things very well? :dunno:
it's because generally people that live in, or have ever lived in ks, and especially kc, are huge entitled dicks about anything bbq related. they feel like because they eat a z-man regularly they get to pretty much think any non-kc bbq place is complete crap.
it's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), really.
kc bbq is really overrated and Gates is actually gross, I'll never eat there again. Best bbq is Julius Rib Cage in Wichita and Leo's in OKC.
Meh. I agree with Gates sucking. But, as Anthony Bourdain said, "OK Joe's is the best BBQ in KC and, therefore, the best in the world.". hyperbole or not, KC has some damn good BBQ. Woodyard BBQ is good, off the beaten path a bit.
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Cox catering is fine, because it's pretty hard to eff up a pulled pork sandwich that you but together yourself.
But they are a decent at best restaurant.
i mean, are they even a restaurant? it's an order-at-the-counter bbq joint. it's not supposed to be jack stack.
is it as good as oklahoma joes? i guess not, but it's a decent, quick, cheap enough, local bbq joint. and that ain't bad.
Dlew, maybe someone can give us more specific examples of why Cox Bros is so bad?
I think I need help here b/c I really like it. Its not OK Joes, ABs, or Gates, but it tastes good and I enjoy it.
Maybe I just don't taste things very well? :dunno:
it's because generally people that live in, or have ever lived in ks, and especially kc, are huge entitled dicks about anything bbq related. they feel like because they eat a z-man regularly they get to pretty much think any non-kc bbq place is complete crap.
it's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), really.
kc bbq is really overrated and Gates is actually gross, I'll never eat there again. Best bbq is Julius Rib Cage in Wichita and Leo's in OKC.
Gates would be fine if they didn't use so much goddamn sauce. The bun is completely soggy by three bites in.
On what sandwich? I assure you this isn't true for the beef and a half or beef on a bun.
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I ask for no sauce at Gates, and then I sauce it myself.
Will NBAF increase property values in the area east of the parkway? Or, is that area too blighted to respond to overall increased regional economic growth?
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Joes isn't even the best BBQ in KC, that'd be Jack Stack. I'm also going to take a pretty educated guess that Bourdain hasn't visited as many rib joints as I have. There are at least three places in Wichita that are better than anything in KC, I haven't bothered with Bryant's because I've never met anyone who says its the best. All that vinegar in Gates' sauce is horrawful, its like that Memphis crap, just gross.
OKC has the best BBQ IMO. If you want to go deep into the hood you can find the two best places in the world. One of them is on MLK Ave :ohno:
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Jack Stack
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthe-mainboard.com%2Fstyles%2Fdefault%2Fxenforo%2Fsmilies%2Frespek.gif&hash=226724ac96a97d1869248804fafc0aae379e6567)
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Joes isn't even the best BBQ in KC, that'd be Jack Stack. I'm also going to take a pretty educated guess that Bourdain hasn't visited as many rib joints as I have. There are at least three places in Wichita that are better than anything in KC, I haven't bothered with Bryant's because I've never met anyone who says its the best. All that vinegar in Gates' sauce is horrawful, its like that Memphis crap, just gross.
OKC has the best BBQ IMO. If you want to go deep into the hood you can find the two best places in the world. One of them is on MLK Ave :ohno:
Wichita post.
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kc bbq all depends on what you want. if you want sammies and sauce OKJ, stand alone meat with a little sauce, Jack stack probably. I don't care for gates, I never go to bryants because Smokin Joes is closer and very good, similar style.
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I haven't bothered with Bryant's because I've never met anyone who says its the best.
Actually, yes, we have met.
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Joes isn't even the best BBQ in KC, that'd be Jack Stack. I'm also going to take a pretty educated guess that Bourdain hasn't visited as many rib joints as I have. There are at least three places in Wichita that are better than anything in KC, I haven't bothered with Bryant's because I've never met anyone who says its the best. All that vinegar in Gates' sauce is horrawful, its like that Memphis crap, just gross.
OKC has the best BBQ IMO. If you want to go deep into the hood you can find the two best places in the world. One of them is on MLK Ave :ohno:
Wichita post.
agreed
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Joes isn't even the best BBQ in KC, that'd be Jack Stack. I'm also going to take a pretty educated guess that Bourdain hasn't visited as many rib joints as I have. There are at least three places in Wichita that are better than anything in KC, I haven't bothered with Bryant's because I've never met anyone who says its the best. All that vinegar in Gates' sauce is horrawful, its like that Memphis crap, just gross.
OKC has the best BBQ IMO. If you want to go deep into the hood you can find the two best places in the world. One of them is on MLK Ave :ohno:
Wichita post.
agreed
Nothing in Wichita is "the best" of something
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OKC has the best BBQ IMO.
Wichita post.
agreed
:confused:
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OKC has the best BBQ IMO.
Wichita post.
agreed
:confused:
what are the chances that the guy from wichita thinks that wichita has the best bbq in the world.
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OKC has the best BBQ IMO.
Wichita post.
agreed
:confused:
you said that wichita has at least three places that do bbq better than any place in kc and then listed okc as having the best bbq in the world. it was a pretty wichitaey post.
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what are the chances that the guy from wichita thinks that wichita has the best bbq in the world.
OKC has the best BBQ IMO.
:confused:
also I'm in no way shape or form from Wichita. I lived in New England longer than I lived in Wichita
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OKC has the best BBQ IMO.
Wichita post.
agreed
:confused:
you said that wichita has at least three places that do bbq better than any place in kc and then listed okc as having the best bbq in the world. it was a pretty wichitaey post.
Other than skepticism, any of you prepared to offer a first hand rebuttal?
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If wichita bbq were so increds I probably would have gone there by now (havent). How's that for first hand?
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what are the chances that the guy from wichita thinks that wichita has the best bbq in the world.
OKC has the best BBQ IMO.
:confused:
also I'm in no way shape or form from Wichita. I lived in New England longer than I lived in Wichita
i missed the okc part, tired from last night's gaga concert. point is that no one other than you and you think that okc/wichita has better bbq than kansas city. and that's ok because i'm not going to tell you what you like any more than you telling me what i like.
no reason to argue something as subjective as one's taste
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Guys, look at the guy from New England talk about BBQ! :lol:
"Hello there, can I get some clam chowder with my burnt ends? No? Wicked weak!"
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Joes isn't even the best BBQ in KC, that'd be Jack Stack. I'm also going to take a pretty educated guess that Bourdain hasn't visited as many rib joints as I have. There are at least three places in Wichita that are better than anything in KC, I haven't bothered with Bryant's because I've never met anyone who says its the best. All that vinegar in Gates' sauce is horrawful, its like that Memphis crap, just gross.
OKC has the best BBQ IMO. If you want to go deep into the hood you can find the two best places in the world. One of them is on MLK Ave :ohno:
Wichita post.
agreed
Nothing in Wichita is "the best" of something
confirmed. MIR trying too hard to troll here. IMO!
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MIR is correct.
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probably the most interesting thing about wichitans is how hard they will try and convince themselves that wichita is just as good as kansas city
pro-tip: it isn't
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Other than skepticism, any of you prepared to offer a first hand rebuttal?
I don't have a rebuttal. Never had BBQ in either location. Further, never heard anybody who knows anything about BBQ mention Wichita or OKC as having good BBQ. On the other hand, any time I've every heard a BBQ snob or foodie TV personality talk about BBQ (Collichio, Bobby Flay, Gail Simmons, etc.), they mention either KC or Memphis. I've also never heard of any world renowned BBQ competitions in Wichita or OKC, as opposed to KC and Memphis.
I dunno. I eat BBQ about 5-10 times a year in KC. Not an expert. I just like it a lot. And I hear other people they like it a lot. And that's good enough for me to conclude that it's better than Wichita and OKC. I try not to travel to those locations if I can help it. Certainly not eating the bbq there when I'm forced to go.
BUT ANYWAY, this should be split off into its own thread.
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Next time I am in Wichita (if I ever am back in Wichita), I will join MIR for BBQ and see if I can refute his claims.
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probably the most interesting thing about wichitans is how hard they will try and convince themselves that wichita is just as good as kansas city
pro-tip: it isn't
Are you referring to me? One of us is from the Wichita area, pro-tip: you, not me.
Next time I am in Wichita (if I ever am back in Wichita), I will join MIR for BBQ and see if I can refute his claims.
No longer a Wichita pak'r :cry:
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whats the best bbq in the greater Ames metropolitan area?
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probably the most interesting thing about wichitans is how hard they will try and convince themselves that wichita is just as good as kansas city
pro-tip: it isn't
Are you referring to me? One of us is from the Wichita area, pro-tip: you, not me.
Next time I am in Wichita (if I ever am back in Wichita), I will join MIR for BBQ and see if I can refute his claims.
No longer a Wichita pak'r :cry:
I forgot. I don't know where you lived in New England, but you seem to consistently move to worse places.
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definitely would need to know where in NE he lived before making that claim. wichita is undoubtedly a step up from a lot of places in the northeast
<---nor'easter
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Other than skepticism, any of you prepared to offer a first hand rebuttal?
I don't have a rebuttal. Never had BBQ in either location. Further, never heard anybody who knows anything about BBQ mention Wichita or OKC as having good BBQ. On the other hand, any time I've every heard a BBQ snob or foodie TV personality talk about BBQ (Collichio, Bobby Flay, Gail Simmons, etc.), they mention either KC or Memphis. I've also never heard of any world renowned BBQ competitions in Wichita or OKC, as opposed to KC and Memphis.
I dunno. I eat BBQ about 5-10 times a year in KC. Not an expert. I just like it a lot. And I hear other people they like it a lot. And that's good enough for me to conclude that it's better than Wichita and OKC. I try not to travel to those locations if I can help it. Certainly not eating the bbq there when I'm forced to go.
BUT ANYWAY, this should be split off into its own thread.
You're definitely smart enough to know that something not considered an option can't be eliminated as the best. When these foodies say KC is the best BBQ they are comparing it to other tourist traps in Texas, Memphis, and North Carolina. Compared to these places I would agree that Joes and Jack Stack are much better. I hate the mustard used in Carolina bbq, hate the Memphis vinegar crap, and don't like Texas' insistence on using beef ribs. BTW in Wichita and KC they prepare ribs KC style.
Unless Flay has been to all of these off the beaten path places everywhere, his opinion is what it is. Now this is not to say that there isn't some amazing BBQ places in KC that may be out of the way, but other than Jack Stack the four most frequently mentioned are wildly overrated and IMO not close to the best in the country.
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whats the best bbq in the greater Ames metropolitan area?
Fiorella Jack Stack behind Union Station
definitely would need to know where in NE he lived before making that claim. wichita is undoubtedly a step up from a lot of places in the northeast
<---nor'easter
Clam's is definitely right, there is a lot of horrible places in New England, thankfully I lived in none of those places. I lived in Boston and in rural Maine. I've been lucky enough to legitimately like every place I've lived as an adult, and I've lived in a lot of places as an adult. I liked Wichita and I like the DSM area. One thing you really appreciate about Wichita as opposed to New England and Iowa is winter weather. Also Wichita food options are underrated by dumbasses who think hating on Wichita is edgy. I mean were talking GoddardCat type humor folks.
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When your opinion goes against the vast majority of other people's opinions there is a decent chance your opinion is wrong and stupid.
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whats the best bbq in the greater Ames metropolitan area?
Not that shithole Old Main
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You're definitely smart enough to know that something not considered an option can't be eliminated as the best.
Again, like I said, I'm not an expert - far from it. Don't smoke it. Don't eat enough. I defer to the experts. and the experts - prett much universally - place KC at or near the top, without mentioning either Wichita or OKC. My personal opinion? I've no idea because I've not eaten at hundreds of bbq restuarants across America, like apparently you have (which I highly doubt, in any event).
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When your opinion goes against the vast majority of other people's opinions there is a decent chance your opinion is wrong and stupid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfR-JRxe9lk
hoe sit down, and chill out with the obsession
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Belvis, it seems like you probably should be an expert on what you yourself like. Maybe you should go ahead and give the Wichita BBQ a try.
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While Jack Stack is fantastic, I dont really consider it a bbq joint. More of a steakhouse. There is something inherently trashy about a bbq joint, and that's not a slam in any way.
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You're definitely smart enough to know that something not considered an option can't be eliminated as the best.
I defer to the experts. and the experts - prett much universally - place KC at or near the top, without mentioning either Wichita or OKC. My personal opinion? I've no idea because I've not eaten at hundreds of bbq restuarants across America, like apparently you have (which I highly doubt, in any event).
Could be mistaken but I'm pretty sure I addressed this and not only did you not address what I said but then you built a gigantic strawman. There are people in this world that have eaten at hundreds of bbq restaurants, neither me or Bobby Flay are in that group. Glad we can agree that someone that hasn't even been to Wichita or New York City for that matter can eliminate them from being better than something else.
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You're definitely smart enough to know that something not considered an option can't be eliminated as the best.
I defer to the experts. and the experts - prett much universally - place KC at or near the top, without mentioning either Wichita or OKC. My personal opinion? I've no idea because I've not eaten at hundreds of bbq restuarants across America, like apparently you have (which I highly doubt, in any event).
Could be mistaken but I'm pretty sure I addressed this and not only did you not address what I said but then you built a gigantic strawman. There are people in this world that have eaten at hundreds of bbq restaurants, neither me or Bobby Flay are in that group. Glad we can agree that someone that hasn't even been to Wichita or New York City for that matter can eliminate them from being better than something else.
I think you reference "strawmen" more than any poster on here. I'm beginning to think you don't actually know what a straw man is.
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Belvis, it seems like you probably should be an expert on what you yourself like. Maybe you should go ahead and give the Wichita BBQ a try.
No, it's perfectly acceptable to just accept somneone elses limited opinion as fact without vetting these things yourself.
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You're definitely smart enough to know that something not considered an option can't be eliminated as the best.
I defer to the experts. and the experts - prett much universally - place KC at or near the top, without mentioning either Wichita or OKC. My personal opinion? I've no idea because I've not eaten at hundreds of bbq restuarants across America, like apparently you have (which I highly doubt, in any event).
Could be mistaken but I'm pretty sure I addressed this and not only did you not address what I said but then you built a gigantic strawman. There are people in this world that have eaten at hundreds of bbq restaurants, neither me or Bobby Flay are in that group. Glad we can agree that someone that hasn't even been to Wichita or New York City for that matter can eliminate them from being better than something else.
I think you reference "strawmen" more than any poster on here. I'm beginning to think you don't actually know what a straw man is.
Don't put strawmen in quotes, I said strawman.
This is either a strawman or a lie, I'll let you decide because I certainly didn't say this either.
I've not eaten at hundreds of bbq restuarants across America, like apparently you have
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Maybe mir didn't like KC style bbq? The places he listed are probably not the same type as KC. Maybe you should go get some Memphis bbq or Austin. It would be hard to believe a place in Wichita or OKC has the best of anything.
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When your opinion goes against the vast majority of other people's opinions there is a decent chance your opinion is wrong and stupid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfR-JRxe9lk
hoe sit down, and chill out with the obsession
huh?
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probably the most interesting thing about wichitans is how hard they will try and convince themselves that wichita is just as good as kansas city
pro-tip: it isn't
Are you referring to me? One of us is from the Wichita area, pro-tip: you, not me.
Next time I am in Wichita (if I ever am back in Wichita), I will join MIR for BBQ and see if I can refute his claims.
No longer a Wichita pak'r :cry:
I forgot. I don't know where you lived in New England, but you seem to consistently move to worse places.
man, wichitans suck at quoting
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Hey guys, Topeka, KS has hands down the best seafood in the entire country, you gotta check it out.
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Maybe mir didn't like KC style bbq? The places he listed are probably not the same type as KC. Maybe you should go get some Memphis bbq or Austin. It would be hard to believe a place in Wichita or OKC has the best of anything.
It's really kind of hard to believe that about KC, as well. Maybe they do, though. :dunno:
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i prefer spicy bbq (is that what texas is???) as opposed to the super sweet sauces of KC.
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Hey guys, Topeka, KS has hands down the best seafood in the entire country, you gotta check it out.
really? I will!
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i prefer spicy bbq (is that what texas is???)
it can be, but it usually isn't.
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Texas BBQ is pretty pud, actually. But if I'm looking for a steak as big as my torso, The Lone Star state is where I wanna be!
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i prefer spicy bbq (is that what texas is???)
it can be, but it usually isn't.
what's the spicy bbq then? is there no home for spicy bbq? maybe mhk should make that its "thing."
thoughts, Jakesie?
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i prefer spicy bbq (is that what texas is???)
it can be, but it usually isn't.
what's the spicy bbq then? is there no home for spicy bbq? maybe mhk should make that its "thing."
thoughts, Jakesie?
I think it's supposed to be Carolina bbq, but I've never had it.
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i prefer spicy bbq (is that what texas is???)
it can be, but it usually isn't.
what's the spicy bbq then? is there no home for spicy bbq? maybe mhk should make that its "thing."
thoughts, Jakesie?
I think it's supposed to be Carolina bbq, but I've never had it.
i thought Carolina was "tangy."
:confused:
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Carolina is pork centric with a tangy vinegar based sauce.
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i prefer spicy bbq (is that what texas is???)
it can be, but it usually isn't.
what's the spicy bbq then? is there no home for spicy bbq? maybe mhk should make that its "thing."
thoughts, Jakesie?
I think it's supposed to be Carolina bbq, but I've never had it.
i thought Carolina was "tangy."
:confused:
Probably. Like I said, I've never had it.
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Belvis, it seems like you probably should be an expert on what you yourself like. Maybe you should go ahead and give the Wichita BBQ a try.
No, it's perfectly acceptable to just accept somneone elses limited opinion as fact without vetting these things yourself.
how do you "vet" something so subjective as "the best BBQ in the world"? How the eff should I know? Unlike MIR, who has apparently eaten at more BBQ places than everybody on this board combined, I don't have that kind of time.
Yeah, sometimes, I just accept other perople's opinions. Like, if Neil Armstrong tells me the moon is pretty rad? I'll accept it. If I'm told America is a better place to live than Ghana? I'll accept it. If a deep sea diver tells me that deep sea diving can be hazardous, I'll accept it. If a food writer tells me that Kansas City has better BBQ than Oklahoma City, I'll accept it.
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Memphis = Spicy? :dunno:
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i agree with mir that Ok joes is overrated. but it is really good.
gates can be incredibly good, but on average, it's average, and it can be incredibly bad too. they, like most kc bbq places, are very inconsistent.
the one exception to that rule is jack stack. they are consistently good to great. and have the widest range of good stuff. meaning, their strength doesn't just lie in their ribs, or their brisket, or their beans. they do it all well, including their sides.
i got some burnt ends the other day from LCs that i wouldn't serve to a dog.
but KC style bbq is what the national food pundits declare the best in the country. not a particular place. part of the reason for that is because like jack stack, we don't do just pork, or just ribs, or just brisket. we do it all, and on top of that, we invented burnt ends. yes i realize that you can get ribs in texas. but the reality is, is that texas does brisket. carolina does pork, memphis does terrible dry ribs.
kc has more bbq locations per-capita than anywhere else and we eat a lot of it.
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i prefer spicy bbq (is that what texas is???)
it can be, but it usually isn't.
what's the spicy bbq then?
Usually some variant of sausage. Black's in Lockhart does a pretty decent Jalapeno sausage, for instance.
Texas BBQ is pretty pud, actually.
You're pud-er.
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Manhattan is getting an NBA team?
New franchise or a team is moving?
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Manhattan is getting an NBA team?
New franchise or a team is moving?
Everybody welcome to the floor of Ahearn, your Manhattan Pelicans!
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i prefer spicy bbq (is that what texas is???)
it can be, but it usually isn't.
Is Rudy's good?
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how do you "vet" something so subjective as "the best BBQ in the world"? How the eff should I know? Unlike MIR, who has apparently eaten at more BBQ places than everybody on this board combined, I don't have that kind of time.
Yeah, sometimes, I just accept other perople's opinions. Like, if Neil Armstrong tells me the moon is pretty rad? I'll accept it. If I'm told America is a better place to live than Ghana? I'll accept it. If a deep sea diver tells me that deep sea diving can be hazardous, I'll accept it. If a food writer tells me that Kansas City has better BBQ than Oklahoma City, I'll accept it.
Are you intentionally bad at analogies, goodness gracious.
I also love how in the first sentence you talk about how the topic is too subjective and then in the same breath continue to tell me why my subjective opinion is wrong.
Pissclams has tried to end this stupidity twice, just in case you missed it
and that's ok because i'm not going to tell you what you like any more than you telling me what i like.
no reason to argue something as subjective as one's taste
but KC style bbq is what the national food pundits declare the best in the country. not a particular place
Since Belvis' bus fight appears to be over for now, I'm sure he'll find some ridiculous way to keep this going though.
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Since Belvis' bus fight appears to be over for now, I'm sure he'll find some ridiculous way to keep this going though.
care to total up our respective posts in this thread? I'll bet you beat me 2-1. just sayin.
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i prefer spicy bbq (is that what texas is???)
it can be, but it usually isn't.
Is Rudy's good?
They're hit or miss.
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You guys have really mucked up this thread with your BBQ straw man arguments. :curse:
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You guys have really mucked up this thread with your BBQ straw man arguments. :curse:
THANKS OBAMA
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i prefer spicy bbq (is that what texas is???)
it can be, but it usually isn't.
what's the spicy bbq then? is there no home for spicy bbq? maybe mhk should make that its "thing."
thoughts, Jakesie?
On it.
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i prefer spicy bbq (is that what texas is???)
it can be, but it usually isn't.
what's the spicy bbq then? is there no home for spicy bbq? maybe mhk should make that its "thing."
thoughts, Jakesie?
On it.
the place on market in emporia has a GREAT spicy sauce. it's also a restaurant that could be replicated in mhk and be extremely successful.
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I just saw a General Tso's Chicken Pizza online the other day. If all else fails I'll just sell those from midnight to 3am every Thursday, Friday, and Saturday.
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i would eat one of those a lot, jakesie60
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You guys have really mucked up this thread with your BBQ straw man arguments. :curse:
THANKS OBAMA
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:lol:
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General Tso's Chicken Pizza
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Hey MIR, I live near Wichita and like good BBQ. Where should I go?
Julius Rib Cage
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I've had Two Bros and Hog Wild a couple times but stopped going after I got a smoker because it wasn't hard to make as good or better bbq
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Hey MIR, I live near Wichita and like good BBQ. Where should I go?
Julius Rib Cage
?
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I've had Two Bros and Hog Wild a couple times but stopped going after I got a smoker because it wasn't hard to make as good or better bbq
Love Julius, its on South Seneca. Hog Wild is good the GM at the Rock Road location is a huge homophobe though. I think B&C downtown is very good, but I don't think they prepare stuff to go, could be wrong though. I like two brothers but I've never heard anyone say it's their favorite. Many people in Wichita also love Pig In/Pig Out just west of 13th and I-135, they won the KSU BBQ contest twice when we used to have it, I hate Pig In/Pig Out though. I have also heard good things about Bubbas Nekkid BBQ on 13th and Meridian but I haven't had that yet.
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True Story: Was in Wichita at lunch time around three weeks ago. Tweeted out to what I thought was a group of very ITK Wichita guys looking for lunch recommendos. All I received were a bunch of tweets about some loose meat sandwich shop and some taco stand.
:dubious:
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Hey MIR, I live near Wichita and like good BBQ. Where should I go?
Julius Rib Cage
?
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I've had Two Bros and Hog Wild a couple times but stopped going after I got a smoker because it wasn't hard to make as good or better bbq
Love Julius, its on South Seneca. Hog Wild is good the GM at the Rock Road location is a huge homophobe though. I think B&C downtown is very good, but I don't think they prepare stuff to go, could be wrong though. I like two brothers but I've never heard anyone say it's their favorite. Many people in Wichita also love Pig In/Pig Out just west of 13th and I-135, they won the KSU BBQ contest twice when we used to have it, I hate Pig In/Pig Out though. I have also heard good things about Bubbas Nekkid BBQ on 13th and Meridian but I haven't had that yet.
They rub their own meat!
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MIR, Have you had My Dad's? Do you like it?
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MIR, Have you had My Dad's? Do you like it?
I haven't, sorry. Is that the one in the old fire house just east of Downtown?
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MIR, Have you had My Dad's? Do you like it?
I haven't, sorry. Is that the one in the old fire house just east of Downtown?
I think you might be talking about Jet Bar-B-Q. I've driven by but never eaten there.
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Manhattan is getting an NBA team?
New franchise or a team is moving?
Kind of amazing that this post is the most relevant to the thread title over the past few pages...
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MIR, Have you had My Dad's? Do you like it?
I haven't, sorry. Is that the one in the old fire house just east of Downtown?
No, it's at the corner of 13th & Cleveland. My buddy owns it. I like it, but I'm probably biased. It's kind of small inside, but I think he does alot of takeout and catering. Just curious if anyone else had tried it.
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MIR, Have you had My Dad's? Do you like it?
I haven't, sorry. Is that the one in the old fire house just east of Downtown?
No, it's at the corner of 13th & Cleveland. My buddy owns it. I like it, but I'm probably biased. It's kind of small inside, but I think he does alot of takeout and catering. Just curious if anyone else had tried it.
I'll give it a crack next time I'm in Wichita
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http://intelligenttravel.nationalgeographic.com/2013/02/08/the-10-best-bbq-joints-in-america/
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The last picture from the Salt Lick or whatever is just about the most beautiful thing in the world to me.
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http://intelligenttravel.nationalgeographic.com/2013/02/08/the-10-best-bbq-joints-in-america/
heh
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http://intelligenttravel.nationalgeographic.com/2013/02/08/the-10-best-bbq-joints-in-america/
not a single wichita bbq restaurant? what a joke of a list. :flush:
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http://intelligenttravel.nationalgeographic.com/2013/02/08/the-10-best-bbq-joints-in-america/
not a single wichita bbq restaurant? what a joke of a list. :flush:
no kidding, everyone knows wichita >>>>> kc when it comes to the q
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http://intelligenttravel.nationalgeographic.com/2013/02/08/the-10-best-bbq-joints-in-america/
The Salt Lick is the ultimate tourist joint. The real (best) bbq is in Lockhart. Joke list.
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a tourist told me about lockhart. how can this be reconciled
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a tourist told me about lockhart. how can this be reconciled
NOT AS MANY TOURISTS KNOW ABOUT IT :shakesfist:
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shitloads
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pretty sure i even saw it on tv
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Just let me be an insufferable bbq snob in peace you jerks
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Just let me be an insufferable bbq snob in peace you jerks
you should be proud that your snob city is beloved by tourists and featured on television
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:angry:
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http://intelligenttravel.nationalgeographic.com/2013/02/08/the-10-best-bbq-joints-in-america/
The Salt Lick is the ultimate tourist joint. The real (best) bbq is in Lockhart. Joke list.
I've heard good things about TSL. Never been, though. I could have eaten at the one in the Austin airport before I left town, but I ate at Hill City Cafe instead. Airport BBQ kind of scares me.
Except in Memphis. That crap is the bomb.
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http://intelligenttravel.nationalgeographic.com/2013/02/08/the-10-best-bbq-joints-in-america/
The Salt Lick is the ultimate tourist joint. The real (best) bbq is in Lockhart. Joke list.
Maybe, but I would almost pay money just to stare at that fire pit.
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I mean yeah it is pretty good.
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NBBQAF.
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http://intelligenttravel.nationalgeographic.com/2013/02/08/the-10-best-bbq-joints-in-america/
Ugh, hate Fireflys
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http://intelligenttravel.nationalgeographic.com/2013/02/08/the-10-best-bbq-joints-in-america/
The Salt Lick is the ultimate tourist joint. The real (best) bbq is in Lockhart. Joke list.
Lockhart blows. I'd rather have Rudy's
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http://intelligenttravel.nationalgeographic.com/2013/02/08/the-10-best-bbq-joints-in-america/
The Salt Lick is the ultimate tourist joint. The real (best) bbq is in Lockhart. Joke list.
Lockhart blows. I'd rather have Rudy's
:blank:
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http://intelligenttravel.nationalgeographic.com/2013/02/08/the-10-best-bbq-joints-in-america/
The Salt Lick is the ultimate tourist joint. The real (best) bbq is in Lockhart. Joke list.
Lockhart blows. I'd rather have Rudy's
:blank:
No guys, you cannot have an opinion contrary to the list maker, these people are the experts whether they've been to the other places you've mentioned or not. Your personal taste buds don't know crap.
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http://intelligenttravel.nationalgeographic.com/2013/02/08/the-10-best-bbq-joints-in-america/
The Salt Lick is the ultimate tourist joint. The real (best) bbq is in Lockhart. Joke list.
Lockhart blows. I'd rather have Rudy's
:blank:
No guys, you cannot have an opinion contrary to the list maker, these people are the experts whether they've been to the other places you've mentioned or not. Your personal taste buds don't know crap.
I'm going to start a BBQ-based religion/cult in which I convince everyone that my taste buds are utterly objective and are the ultimate authority on bbq taste. Then I'll charge my parishioners money for bbq reviews and advice. I'll call it Brisketology.
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http://cjonline.com/news/business/2013-02-19/nbaf-one-step-closer-reality (http://cjonline.com/news/business/2013-02-19/nbaf-one-step-closer-reality)
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http://cjonline.com/news/business/2013-02-19/nbaf-one-step-closer-reality (http://cjonline.com/news/business/2013-02-19/nbaf-one-step-closer-reality)
Mods, please move to the proper thread.
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Sorry, I couldn't find the "How much growth will BBQ give Manhattan/KSU?" thread
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I welcome the news about NBAF in the BBQ thread. :thumbs:
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Any news with the new budget?
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Immediate Release
April 4, 2013
KDA to Relocate to Manhattan
TOPEKA - Kansas Secretary of Agriculture Dale Rodman announced today that the Kansas Department of Agriculture will move the majority of its offices to Manhattan, Kansas, in summer 2014.
A constitutional agency, KDA will maintain its main administrative office in Topeka but will move the majority of its programs to Manhattan, where Rodman said the agency can capitalize on synergies with Kansas State University (K-State) as well as with other agricultural and bio-science entities located in Manhattan. In addition, the department will maintain current field offices in Stafford, Stockton, Parsons and Garden City. The department's current lease ends Sept. 30, 2013, but KDA is in the process of extending the lease at the current location through June 30, 2014.
The department's new building, which will be built by the KSU Foundation, will complement the K-State 2025 master plan to enhance the research corridor. Secretary Rodman said the new facility will afford the department the opportunity to work closely with many nationally and even globally recognized and trusted subject matter experts on scientific and economic research.
"The decision to move KDA to Manhattan was made after months of close consultation to determine the best location to allow KDA to fulfill our statutory obligations and provide the best possible service to all of our customers today and in the future," said Secretary Rodman. "Manhattan is the value-added center for agriculture. Locating the Kansas Department of Agriculture adjacent to the state's land grand university, the National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility and other agricultural, bio-science and natural resource entities will establish KDA as a pillar in the KSU Foundation Research Park and enhance the overall effectiveness of the department."
In addition to being a fiscally responsible long-term decision, the move will also result in increased research and technical efficiencies. Rodman said it will allow resources to be shared and will reduce duplication while allowing for a consistent service and enhanced working relationship among KDA, farmers, ranchers, consumers, agribusinesses and K-State.
"Whether it is a cooperative effort on animal health research, collaboration on water conservation, joint educational outreach between the department and K-State Research and Extension or technical support provided by the university, this move will put the department in position to leverage the expertise at K-State, grow agriculture and serve all of our customers in a more efficient and effective manner," said Rodman.
Rodman said this move will position the state of Kansas to work cooperatively with public, private and university partners to lead the nation and world forward in agriculture and biosecurity.
"Relocating KDA to Manhattan further solidifies the state's commitment to being a leader in agriculture. Manhattan is home to NBAF and will continue to grow as the hub for the future of agriculture and bio-sciences," said Rodman. "Moving KDA to Manhattan sends a clear message that Kansas is committed to working with all of our partners to be a leader in not only the production of food, fiber and energy but also in the security and defense of these critical components of our state, nation and world."
The Kansas Department of Administration administers most State real property leases and product and service procurement. Interim Secretary of Administration Mark McGivern foresees the State of Kansas enjoying a continued longstanding partnership with the Topeka community.
"Under Governor Brownback's leadership, the Department of Administration is dedicated to bringing efficiency and innovation to state government," said McGivern. "We will continue to pursue opportunities that are in the best interests of our State employees, our communities and, most importantly, Kansas taxpayers."
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It will be interesting to see how many people end up relocating to Manhattan or just commute from Topeka, or quit because they don't want to commute. As a tax payer I don't know how I feel about it, I doubt a real thorough analysis was done to see what the costs of having it in Topeka vs. having it in Manhattan will be. I heard from a department of ag insider that when they opened it up for bids that they already knew it was going to move to Manhattan...
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Cant imagine anyone would actually want to live in Topeka over Manhattan. Knowing government they probably saved money by not doing a $500k analysis that takes 3 years to complete.
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Fire anyone who won't relocate to Manhattan, and fill the positions with new K-State grads. Problem solved, everyone wins, and only losers who won't move from Topeka to Manhattan lose. Will of God.
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Fire anyone who won't relocate to Manhattan, and fill the positions with new K-State grads. Problem solved, everyone wins, and only losers who won't move from Topeka to Manhattan lose. Will of God.
:thumbs:
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the kind of person that would rather live in topeka over manhattan shouldn't be employed by our state
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the kind of person that would rather live in topeka over manhattan shouldn't be employed by our state
Do you know many state employees?
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the kind of person that would rather live in topeka over manhattan shouldn't be employed by our state
Do you know many state employees?
I do. I call them co-workers. I would live in MHK over any town in Ks.
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the kind of person that would rather live in topeka over manhattan shouldn't be employed by our state
Do you know many state employees?
I do. I call them co-workers. I would live in MHK over any town in Ks.
idk, fairway is pretty boss. or westwood hills.
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the kind of person that would rather live in topeka over manhattan shouldn't be employed by our state
Do you know many state employees?
I do. I call them co-workers. I would live in MHK over any town in Ks.
idk, fairway is pretty boss. or westwood hills.
ppfftt. Can't beat MHK.
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siap
Efforts to build a new biosecurity lab in Kansas are getting a huge boost, as President Barack Obama sends Congress a budget proposal that includes $714 million for construction of the facility at Kansas State University.
http://ksn.com/2013/04/10/obama-proposes-714m-for-kansas-nbaf-project/
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siap
Efforts to build a new biosecurity lab in Kansas are getting a huge boost, as President Barack Obama sends Congress a budget proposal that includes $714 million for construction of the facility at Kansas State University.
http://ksn.com/2013/04/10/obama-proposes-714m-for-kansas-nbaf-project/
thanks obama amirite?
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There's an article in the Collegian today that says contruction will start back up this month.
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siap
Efforts to build a new biosecurity lab in Kansas are getting a huge boost, as President Barack Obama sends Congress a budget proposal that includes $714 million for construction of the facility at Kansas State University.
http://ksn.com/2013/04/10/obama-proposes-714m-for-kansas-nbaf-project/
thanks obama amirite?
So true.
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OMG guys
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THANKS OBAMA!
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Thanks to those chicks that did the K-S-U thing with Barry!
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I can't wait for someone to post something in the Political Facebook Post thread that slams Obama for this
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Thanks to those chicks that did the K-S-U thing with Barry!
Barry O is advancing the interests of emaw and is now your best friend :dance:
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money! cool!
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or westwood hills.
YES! :cool:
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lol at how that mother rough rider tim huelskamp is going to try to torpedo this for his own constituents
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lol at how that mother rough rider tim huelskamp is going to try to torpedo this for his own constituents
not his district! :emawkid:
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lol at how that mother rough rider tim huelskamp is going to try to torpedo this for his own constituents
not his district! :emawkid:
i bet a few people will live in D1 and work at nbaf.
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I thought the gerrymandering put Manhattan in Huelskamp's district. :dunno:
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I thought the gerrymandering put Manhattan in Huelskamp's district. :dunno:
I thought I read that here somewhere, good news if not
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crap I guess it is
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/KS
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I thought the gerrymandering put Manhattan in Huelskamp's district. :dunno:
I thought I read that here somewhere, good news if not
i was confused also, cause on his website it had a map and manhattan was in it, but wiki told me it isn't!!!!
:runaway: :runaway:
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I thought the gerrymandering put Manhattan in Huelskamp's district. :dunno:
I thought I read that here somewhere, good news if not
i was confused also, cause on his website it had a map and manhattan was in it, but wiki told me it isn't!!!!
:runaway: :runaway:
that's what originally threw me off :runaway:
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Originally posted by HILLSINTL:
I don't care if it's going to help fund BSFS expansion or as a "one school only" funding of athletes, I DON'T WANT GOV'T MONEY! I don't want it if it comes from Democrats. I don't want it if it comes from Republicans. I don't want it if it is allocated by my mama. THIS IS NOT THE GOV'T's role! If this undertaking is worthwhile, it will be funded privately. I mean, go back to business school boys and girls..... Learn a couple of things about history, our constitution, and economics.
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Re: NBAF Gets Boost From Obama Reply
Originally posted by catgotu:
What is a place like the NBAF going to do for the town of manhattan?
infect everyone
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Originally posted by HILLSINTL:
I don't care if it's going to help fund BSFS expansion or as a "one school only" funding of athletes, I DON'T WANT GOV'T MONEY! I don't want it if it comes from Democrats. I don't want it if it comes from Republicans. I don't want it if it is allocated by my mama. THIS IS NOT THE GOV'T's role! If this undertaking is worthwhile, it will be funded privately. I mean, go back to business school boys and girls..... Learn a couple of things about history, our constitution, and economics.
I don't know who that is but I'm warming up my punching arm to unload on their balls
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Originally posted by HILLSINTL:
I don't care if it's going to help fund BSFS expansion or as a "one school only" funding of athletes, I DON'T WANT GOV'T MONEY! I don't want it if it comes from Democrats. I don't want it if it comes from Republicans. I don't want it if it is allocated by my mama. THIS IS NOT THE GOV'T's role! If this undertaking is worthwhile, it will be funded privately. I mean, go back to business school boys and girls..... Learn a couple of things about history, our constitution, and economics.
Well, I'm sure the Umbrella Corporation would be interested in privately funding NBAF
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Originally posted by HILLSINTL:
I don't care if it's going to help fund BSFS expansion or as a "one school only" funding of athletes, I DON'T WANT GOV'T MONEY! I don't want it if it comes from Democrats. I don't want it if it comes from Republicans. I don't want it if it is allocated by my mama. THIS IS NOT THE GOV'T's role! If this undertaking is worthwhile, it will be funded privately. I mean, go back to business school boys and girls..... Learn a couple of things about history, our constitution, and economics.
Well, I'm sure the Umbrella Corporation would be interested in privately funding NBAF
how rough ridin' boss would it be if The Hive was built right under MHK? :love:
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Originally posted by HILLSINTL:
I don't care if it's going to help fund BSFS expansion or as a "one school only" funding of athletes, I DON'T WANT GOV'T MONEY! I don't want it if it comes from Democrats. I don't want it if it comes from Republicans. I don't want it if it is allocated by my mama. THIS IS NOT THE GOV'T's role! If this undertaking is worthwhile, it will be funded privately. I mean, go back to business school boys and girls..... Learn a couple of things about history, our constitution, and economics.
Well, I'm sure the Umbrella Corporation would be interested in privately funding NBAF
how rough ridin' boss would it be if The Hive was built right under MHK? :love:
Raccoon City is just a codename for MHK :excited:
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Kirk H. Schulz ?@kstate_pres 1m
Fun visit with K-State alumnus @SenPatRoberts today - we talked about NBAF and K-State Football! #KState150
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Originally posted by HILLSINTL:
I don't care if it's going to help fund BSFS expansion or as a "one school only" funding of athletes, I DON'T WANT GOV'T MONEY! I don't want it if it comes from Democrats. I don't want it if it comes from Republicans. I don't want it if it is allocated by my mama. THIS IS NOT THE GOV'T's role! If this undertaking is worthwhile, it will be funded privately. I mean, go back to business school boys and girls..... Learn a couple of things about history, our constitution, and economics.
I don't know who that is but I'm warming up my punching arm to unload on their balls
I will fight you, for the chance to fight that guy first.
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im really excited Obama chose to allocate our money favorably in this instance
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Originally posted by HILLSINTL:
I don't care if it's going to help fund BSFS expansion or as a "one school only" funding of athletes, I DON'T WANT GOV'T MONEY! I don't want it if it comes from Democrats. I don't want it if it comes from Republicans. I don't want it if it is allocated by my mama. THIS IS NOT THE GOV'T's role! If this undertaking is worthwhile, it will be funded privately. I mean, go back to business school boys and girls..... Learn a couple of things about history, our constitution, and economics.
I want to chase this guy down with a needle and infect him with cow aids.
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Remember when all those dweebs were worrying about cow aids leaking out of the nbaf and causing pandemic in the city?
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It would be pretty sweet if this building ends up being named after president Obama.
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It would be pretty sweet if this building ends up being named after president Obama.
It's going to be LHC Bill Snyder Family Cow Research Center
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It would be pretty sweet if this building ends up being named after president Obama.
It's going to be LHC Bill Snyder Family Cow Research Center
Damn that would be baller
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It would be pretty sweet if this building ends up being named after president Obama.
It's going to be LHC LHC Bill Snyder Family Pet Research Center
Damn that would be baller
:dunno:
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It would be pretty sweet if this building ends up being named after president Obama.
It's going to be LHC Bill Snyder Family Cow Research Center
Damn that would be baller
Cow AIDS would know what hit it.
Also, Hoof and Mouth, more like GTFOOMF.
Most modern animal afflictions would cease to exist as the ribbon was cut.
Chronic Wast Dissease would claim Bill was a wizard and throw it's hands up in disgust.
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It would be pretty sweet if this building ends up being named after president Obama.
holy crap, that would be amazing...let's get this movement started today
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http://m.kansascity.com/kcstar/db_41475/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=8iQSNWAf
Obama budgets 750mil for NBAF
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Kirk H. Schulz ?@kstate_pres 19s
Good meeting with @TimHuelskamp this morning - we discussed KS Dept of Ag moving to MHK and $700M for NBAF! #KState150
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Stud genius scientist the animal discussing life with back country Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) tim huelskamp...to be a fly on the wall
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Kirk H. Schulz ?@kstate_pres 19s
Good meeting with @TimHuelskamp this morning - we discussed KS Dept of Ag moving to MHK and $700M for NBAF! #KState150
More evidence that the Animal reads goEMAW.
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The animal is basically forcing their hands. Such a stud. Also Obama should pay The Animal a personal visit at the KSU Pres Mansion.
Kirk Schulz
Just finished our third day in DC. Thanks for NBAF support from @JerryMoran @SenPatRoberts @CongHuelskamp @RepKevinYoder @RepLynnJenkins
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Didn't catch the whole thing, but pretty sure the NPR ppl this morning said that the state has refused to approve an additional $200M in bonds for NBAF and have said that they can't approve the bonds with Brownback withholding information on it.
Brownback :shakesfist:
Kansas :shakesfist:
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Didn't catch the whole thing, but pretty sure the NPR ppl this morning said that the state has refused to approve an additional $200M in bonds for NBAF and have said that they can't approve the bonds with Brownback withholding information on it.
Brownback :shakesfist:
Kansas :shakesfist:
I'm not going to pretend I didn't vote for Brownback, and am not a conservative but Brownback has been a crap show.
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I didn't think it could get worse than Sebelius.
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Didn't catch the whole thing, but pretty sure the NPR ppl this morning said that the state has refused to approve an additional $200M in bonds for NBAF and have said that they can't approve the bonds with Brownback withholding information on it.
Brownback :shakesfist:
Kansas :shakesfist:
Just asked BSLC about this and she says dont blame brownback "He is pushing for expanding the bonds. The ultra conservative House people are pushing back bc they dont trust the feds to fulfill their pledge bc the fed govt is broke. Sen budget committee is meeting in an hour, I assume to push through the bonding bill"
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Didn't catch the whole thing, but pretty sure the NPR ppl this morning said that the state has refused to approve an additional $200M in bonds for NBAF and have said that they can't approve the bonds with Brownback withholding information on it.
Brownback :shakesfist:
Kansas :shakesfist:
Just asked BSLC about this and she says dont blame brownback "He is pushing for expanding the bonds. The ultra conservative House people are pushing back bc they dont trust the feds to fulfill their pledge bc the fed govt is broke. Sen budget committee is meeting in an hour, I assume to push through the bonding bill"
UPDATE INCLUDING NERDY LOOKING NOTES- Bond issue passed
SB 245: NBAF
- PROPONENTS
- Landon Fulmer, Governor's Office
- written only from KFB, KLA & KC Chamber
- ACTION:
- AMD - to mandate government funding be approved prior to any letting of Kansas bonds.
- Denning: we already have $105M in authority, this would require a letter from Homeland security with a full cost estimate and legislative approval for that amount? Yes.
- Francisco: should this apply to all $310M? Why would we let the first $105M if it isn't enough to complete the project?
- Melcher/Masterson: perhaps a proviso stating bonds let after May 8, 2013. Also require cost overruns/change orders to be the responsibility of the Feds
- Denning: AMD - to reflect the concerns above - PASS
- Melcher: AMD - clarifying intent - PASS
- FAVORABLE as AMD - PASS
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So this is good right?
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Go Kansas Freak Politicians! :KSU:
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So this is good right?
Yes
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:dance: :dance: :dance:
I am super excited, guys. For some reason, I want NBAF almost as much as I want a natty.
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:dance: :dance: :dance:
I am super excited, guys. For some reason, I want NBAF almost as much as I want a natty.
NBAF is basically a natty for KSU and the city of manhattan
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Great news. Good job, guys.
Sent from my KFTT using Tapatalk 2
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¿Will we finally get our Red Lobster?
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¿Will we finally get our Red Lobster?
If NBAF can't secure a Red Lobster, what can?
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Kirk H. Schulz ?@kstate_pres 19s
Good meeting with @TimHuelskamp this morning - we discussed KS Dept of Ag moving to MHK and $700M for NBAF! #KState150
Is this $700,000 or $700,000,000? I always get confused if people mean Roman numeral M or short for a million M
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lol facepalm city
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Kirk H. Schulz ?@kstate_pres 19s
Good meeting with @TimHuelskamp this morning - we discussed KS Dept of Ag moving to MHK and $700M for NBAF! #KState150
Is this $700,000 or $700,000,000? I always get confused if people mean Roman numeral M or short for a million M
Million. With a B.
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kinda cool to see Manhattan grow the last 30 years. Expected it to be more honestly.
http://world.time.com/timelapse/
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Kirk H. Schulz ?@kstate_pres 19s
Good meeting with @TimHuelskamp this morning - we discussed KS Dept of Ag moving to MHK and $700M for NBAF! #KState150
Is this $700,000 or $700,000,000? I always get confused if people mean Roman numeral M or short for a million M
Million. With a B.
thanks this clears up a few things for me
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Kirk H. Schulz ?@kstate_pres 19s
Good meeting with @TimHuelskamp this morning - we discussed KS Dept of Ag moving to MHK and $700M for NBAF! #KState150
Is this $700,000 or $700,000,000? I always get confused if people mean Roman numeral M or short for a million M
Million. With a B.
thanks this clears up a few things for me
This is a real problem! mathematically the M is always used for mega (x 10^6) but in industry the M is often used at x 1000 which makes me crazy (lol no one is going to mix roman numerals randomly into numbers through)
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kinda cool to see Manhattan grow the last 30 years. Expected it to be more honestly.
http://world.time.com/timelapse/
Check out the advancing silt on the north end of tuttle creek.
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kinda cool to see Manhattan grow the last 30 years. Expected it to be more honestly.
http://world.time.com/timelapse/
Check out the advancing silt on the north end of tuttle creek.
Thing is like 50 yrs old, isn't that about half of its anticipated lifespan?
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i understand that they aren't building a mountain and nothing's supposed to last forever, but whats the 100 year plan? fill the thing in with gravel and put a park on it?
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i understand that they aren't building a mountain and nothing's supposed to last forever, but whats the 100 year plan? fill the thing in with gravel and put a park on it?
Huge boozecats practice facility
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kinda cool to see Manhattan grow the last 30 years. Expected it to be more honestly.
http://world.time.com/timelapse/
If you do it for coffeyville, it looks like its running backwards.
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kinda cool to see Manhattan grow the last 30 years. Expected it to be more honestly.
http://world.time.com/timelapse/
That is pretty cool. The town I live in is unrecognizable from what it was 30 years ago.
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http://kcur.org/post/sen-roberts-nbaf-construction-set-begin
Ground Breaking Ceremony May 28th.
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:surprised:
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could have at least gotten the BSFS castle in the background, imho.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLXcKZaCEAEwM8L.jpg:large)
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I'm very excited about this.
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those shovels must have cost a fortune
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The guy in the middle looks confused like he took off from the nearby Alzheimer home. Also looks like he might be getting violent in his confusion they way he is holding that shovel.
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The guy in the middle looks confused like he took off from the nearby Alzheimer home. Also looks like he might be getting violent in his confusion they way he is holding that shovel.
that's our Pat!
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What a collection of losers.
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What a collection of losers.
It's a good looking crew. Handsome as all get out.
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those shovels must have cost a fortune
Rentals.
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Middle old guy with the bitchin' gray suit looks like a stud.
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Jerry Moran's forehead is the best thing about that picture.
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those shovels must have cost a fortune
Rentals.
Nah, just reused from WSC ground breaking, BTF ground breaking, with all the photo op dirt we're moving there they just keep the set for the next glorious building.
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could have at least gotten the BSFS castle in the background, imho.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLXcKZaCEAEwM8L.jpg:large)
GoldShovelTown
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Who's the guy standing uncomfortably close to Pat?
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Who's the guy standing uncomfortably close to Pat?
He's probably just trying to keep as far away from Huelskamp as possible.
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Lynn Jenkins is a babe
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very svelte group of studs
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Lynn Jenkins is a babe
man I bet they pass her around like a joint, those rascals
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Lynn Jenkins is a babe
man I bet they pass her around like a joint, those rascals
heard a stomach pumping story once time :sdeek:
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Lynn Jenkins is a babe
man I bet they pass her around like a joint, those rascals
heard a stomach pumping story once time :sdeek:
as in she parties hard or a weird weight loss deal?
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Lynn Jenkins is a babe
man I bet they pass her around like a joint, those rascals
heard a stomach pumping story once time :sdeek:
as in she parties hard or a weird weight loss deal?
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :fatty: :drool: :excited: :jerk: :barf: :flush: :facepalm:
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The guy in the middle looks confused like he took off from the nearby Alzheimer home. Also looks like he might be getting violent in his confusion they way he is holding that shovel.
that's our Pat!
he caught the stench of Lynn's fart, you gotta play that crap cool pat goodness gracious
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Lynn Jenkins is a babe
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confirmed
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could have at least gotten the BSFS castle in the background, imho.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLXcKZaCEAEwM8L.jpg:large)
There is some serious forehead on the left side. I mean, third from left looks shopped.
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:dance: <--- scientists at the NBAF after curing another disease.
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:dance: <--- scientists at the NBAF after curing another disease.
They and Obama are the real heroes. You won't find them holding a golden shovel, pretending to get ready to dig a hole on a project they may or may not have even supported, though.
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:dance: <--- scientists at the NBAF after curing another disease.
They and Obama are the real heroes. You won't find them holding a golden shovel, pretending to get ready to dig a hole on a project they may or may not have even supported, though.
Hopefully they can cure an over abundance of forehead with all the money those reps have won for them and the obvs need for such a cure.
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lynn jenkins is an ass. also, those shovels are just shovels from pete's garage. they didn't cost a dime.
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lynn jenkins is an ass. also, those shovels are just shovels from pete's garage. they didn't cost a dime.
why does pete need so many gold-plated shovels?
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lynn jenkins is an ass. also, those shovels are just shovels from pete's garage. they didn't cost a dime.
why does pete need so many gold-plated shovels?
i have no idea. you'll have to ask pete. he'll be at fatty fest in two weeks.
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I trolled Lynn relentlessly on twitter for a good year or more. Not one reply and still not blocked.
Either her staff secretly agrees with me, she does her own twitter and can't read well, or she is the monster all time boss at not giving a eff.
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I trolled fee-fi-fo-fum-ed Lynn relentlessly on twitter for a good year or more. Not one reply and still not blocked.
Either her staff secretly agrees with me, she does her own twitter and can't read well, or she is the monster all time boss at not giving a eff.
Clearly terrified of giants. Probably trying desperately to pretend like you don't exist.
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could have at least gotten the BSFS castle in the background, imho.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLXcKZaCEAEwM8L.jpg:large)
There is some serious forehead on the left side. I mean, third from left looks shopped.
JFC, could Pat Roberts look like any more of a boss holding that shovel like that?
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could have at least gotten the BSFS castle in the background, imho.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLXcKZaCEAEwM8L.jpg:large)
There is some serious forehead on the left side. I mean, third from left looks shopped.
JFC, could Pat Roberts look like any more of a boss holding that shovel like that?
reminds me of the governor after the drug bust on SuperTroopers.
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lynn jenkins is an ass. also, those shovels are just shovels from pete's garage. they didn't cost a dime.
why does pete need so many gold-plated shovels?
i have no idea. you'll have to ask pete. he'll be at fatty fest in two weeks.
i won't :frown:
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lynn jenkins is an ass. also, those shovels are just shovels from pete's garage. they didn't cost a dime.
why does pete need so many gold-plated shovels?
i have no idea. you'll have to ask pete. he'll be at fatty fest in two weeks.
i won't :frown:
maybe try tweeting at hosie to get him to ask pete for you :dunno:
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could have at least gotten the BSFS castle in the background, imho.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLXcKZaCEAEwM8L.jpg:large)
There is some serious forehead on the left side. I mean, third from left looks shopped.
JFC, could Pat Roberts look like any more of a boss holding that shovel like that?
I bet he was pretending the shovel was an electric guitar but the stupid photographer didn't take the pic in time.
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Pat Roberts is a poor man's Bob Dole, which is really me complimenting him.
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Pat Roberts is a poor man's Bob Dole, which is really me complimenting him.
Pat Roberts is what Kansans want, but not what we need.
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I trolled fee-fi-fo-fum-ed Lynn relentlessly on twitter for a good year or more. Not one reply and still not blocked.
Either her staff secretly agrees with me, she does her own twitter and can't read well, or she is the monster all time boss at not giving a eff.
Clearly terrified of giants. Probably trying desperately to pretend like you don't exist.
Hugely in the closet on Twitter. No giant mentions thus far. Pretty careful about it for this exact reason.
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Pat Roberts is a poor man's Bob Dole, which is really me complimenting him.
Pat Roberts is what Kansans want, but not what we need.
How many of them voted against it for tea party reasons?
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reminds me of the governor after the drug bust on SuperTroopers.
POUR IT ON
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could have at least gotten the BSFS castle in the background, imho.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLXcKZaCEAEwM8L.jpg:large)
There is some serious forehead on the left side. I mean, third from left looks shopped.
JFC, could Pat Roberts look like any more of a boss holding that shovel like that?
reminds me of the governor after the drug bust on SuperTroopers.
Reminds me of that scene in Anchorman where they have the street fight.
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Pat Roberts is a poor man's Bob Dole, which is really me complimenting him.
Pat Roberts is what Kansans want, but not what we need.
How many of them voted against it for tea party reasons?
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As far as I know, it was just Huelskamp.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2012/06/huelskamp-off-to-bad-start-on-nbaf-2/ (http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2012/06/huelskamp-off-to-bad-start-on-nbaf-2/)
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http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2013/jun/04/nbaf-center-budget-fight-between-obama-and-house-r/
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Oh man. Get a bunch of KS R's on cam digging the gold shovel then threated to take it all away. Hard ball.
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Thanks Obama.
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In fact, the White House statement also criticizes the bill approved by the House Appropriations Committee because it would only partial fund NBAF.
"The partial funding provided in the bill will delay construction of NBAF, increase project costs, and leave a significant vulnerability unaddressed. Long-standing procurement policy prohibits incremental funding because it undermines program stability and runs counter to sound budgeting principles and fiscal discipline," the statement says.
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can we get BSAC on it?
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The politicians are not getting the backing of some of the groups that they want. If there is an accident, they want to be able to say, "<Insert the group here> said this was safe. I voted for it based upon all of the information that I had and their ringing endorsement." Those same politicians are feigning disgust over a potential delay because the majority of their base is for NBAF. Secretly, those politicians are glad that there is a snag. They are all a bunch of pussies.
Source: A to A-
(no sarcasm, no smart assedness)
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Not quite a fist pump yet, but very close....
http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/news/2013/07/18/federal-nbaf-funding-moves-forward.html
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Construction of the powerplant is underway. Someone needs to take pics, my phone camera was too shitty in the low light.
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Construction of the powerplant is underway. Someone needs to take pics, my phone camera was too shitty in the low light.
Should this be called the PowerCatPlant, or just CatPlant?
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Construction of the powerplant is underway. Someone needs to take pics, my phone camera was too shitty in the low light.
Should this be called the PowerCatPlant, or just CatPlant?
Power station
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Are we going to get any zombie themed bars out of this or what?
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http://www.littleapplepost.com/2013/08/12/manhattan-regional-airport-to-open-bidding-up-for-terminal-expansion-project/ (http://www.littleapplepost.com/2013/08/12/manhattan-regional-airport-to-open-bidding-up-for-terminal-expansion-project/)
don't care if luke'd
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I0__q4NYug
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http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/10/25/the-deadly-secrets-of-plum-island/
Sorry if luked, but, wow. Plum Island is uninhabitable, what would that do to Manhattan?
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it's so uninhabitable that donald trump wants to build a golf course
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Did not know this
The Long Island daily newspaper Newsday earlier documented this biological warfare mission of Plum Island. In a lead story on November 21, 1993, Newsday investigative reporter John McDonald wrote: “A 1950s military plan to cripple the Soviet economy by killing horses, cattle and swine called for making biological warfare weapons out of exotic animal diseases at a Plum Island laboratory, now-declassified Army records reveal.” A facsimile of one of the records, dated 1951, covered the front page of that issue of Newsday.
The article went on: “Documents and interviews disclose for the first time what officials have denied for years: that the mysterious and closely guarded animal lab off the East End of Long Island was originally designed to conduct top-secret research into replicating dangerous viruses that could be used to destroy enemy livestock.”
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The Joint Chiefs of Staff “found that a war with the U.S.S.R. would best be fought with conventional and nuclear means, and biological warfare against humansnot against food animals,” says “Lab 257.” “Destroying the food supply meant having to feed millions of starving Russians after winning a war”
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Will they write these things about MHK in 50 years?
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Containment and safety is a little different now than it was in the '50's.
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Containment and safety is a little different now than it was in the '50's.
What I really meant is what sort of sick twisted crap are our MHK neighbors going to be tasked with inventing?
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Will they write these things about MHK in 50 years?
i would love if Trump would want to build a golf course in the area.
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Containment and safety is a little different now than it was in the '50's.
What I really meant is what sort of sick twisted crap are our MHK neighbors going to be tasked with inventing?
Guess who gives a eff?
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Containment and safety is a little different now than it was in the '50's.
What I really meant is what sort of sick twisted crap are our MHK neighbors going to be tasked with inventing?
Guess who gives a eff?
i'm a bit worried about the hundreds of millionaire researchers driving lexus hybrids rather than SL500s. we need the streets of MHK to reflect our wealth, not concern for the environment.
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no NBAF = cow aids
Billboard?
Barn.
No NBAF know cow AIDS
Know NBAF no cow AIDS
I think of this post every time I go to Manhattan, no jokes.
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Still hate that this isn't fully official but things are looking good now
http://cjonline.com/news/2014-01-13/moran-federal-funding-nbaf-new-appropriations-bill
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Pat Roberts' opposition to the most recent spending bill is outrageous, yet also unsurprising. rough ridin' politics. In non-election years, he pimps the crap out of this project despite being a "small government," fiscally responsible republican. Repeatedly criticizing Obama for cutting funding in past. And now, in the 2014 election cycle, with the project on the verge of approval, this eff hole votes against the thing to "send a signal."
“It gives me no pleasure to vote against a bill that includes an important project into which I have put my heart and soul and many hours of work,” Roberts said.
“But that vote was necessary to send a signal we can no longer afford unchecked spending as usual.”
http://www.kansascity.com/2014/01/16/4757274/roberts-joins-huelskamp-pompeo.html
Some nice renderings:
http://www.perkinswill.com/work/national-bio-and-agro-defense-facility.html
http://mcmjv.com/project-information/
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Roberts is an absolute doofus who panders to his even dumber constituency. It will be fun to watch him lose the next election
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Roberts is an absolute doofus who panders to his even dumber constituency. It will be fun to watch him lose the next election
why would he lose? He has been there for ages and nothing has changed in our dumbass state.
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Roberts is an absolute doofus who panders to his even dumber constituency. It will be fun to watch him lose the next election
why would he lose? He has been there for ages and nothing has changed in our dumbass state.
This has to be the first time he voted against a half billion project all contained within his state.
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Pat Roberts' opposition to the most recent spending bill is outrageous, yet also unsurprising. rough ridin' politics. In non-election years, he pimps the crap out of this project despite being a "small government," fiscally responsible republican. Repeatedly criticizing Obama for cutting funding in past. And now, in the 2014 election cycle, with the project on the verge of approval, this eff hole votes against the thing to "send a signal."
“It gives me no pleasure to vote against a bill that includes an important project into which I have put my heart and soul and many hours of work,” Roberts said.
“But that vote was necessary to send a signal we can no longer afford unchecked spending as usual.”
http://www.kansascity.com/2014/01/16/4757274/roberts-joins-huelskamp-pompeo.html
Some nice renderings:
http://www.perkinswill.com/work/national-bio-and-agro-defense-facility.html
http://mcmjv.com/project-information/
:love:
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Roberts is an absolute doofus who panders to his even dumber constituency. It will be fun to watch him lose the next election
why would he lose? He has been there for ages and nothing has changed in our dumbass state.
This has to be the first time he voted against a half billion project all contained within his state.
Yeah, but he did so as a political move to show fiscal responsibility knowing it would pass anyway. His state gets the project and he looks like a financial watchdog to the retards. Win(state economy)/Win(Roberts election)
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lsoc is right
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Roberts is an absolute doofus who panders to his even dumber constituency. It will be fun to watch him lose the next election
why would he lose? He has been there for ages and nothing has changed in our dumbass state.
This has to be the first time he voted against a half billion project all contained within his state.
Yeah, but he did so as a political move to show fiscal responsibility knowing it would pass anyway. His state gets the project and he looks like a financial watchdog to the retards. Win(state economy)/Win(Roberts election)
He could still eff it up. Anytime a rep can deliver a half billion dollar project to a state like Kansas that has what, 3 electoral votes, everyone should vote yes regardless of the affiliation. Every other state's elected offcials gets it except this cocksucker
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I am not agreeing with him, but I think he wins again.
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So are we going to get this f9cking thing or what?
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Roberts prob voted against it because the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) thinks he can run for President.
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Roberts prob voted against it because the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) thinks he can run for President.
This.
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Roberts prob voted against it because the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) thinks he can run for President.
just another power-hungry ass hat who will do whatever the eff he has to do to hold on to power.
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Man, lotta hate for Roberts on here. I guess it doesn't bother me because I don't think it's hypocritical to (1) recognize this project is a massive waste of money, but (2) realize there's nothing I can do to stop it so I can at least enjoy the ancillary benefit to Manhattan, KS. Then again, I'm not a senator who actually has power over appropriations.
Btw - this project won't be online until 2022. All they're building right now is the power plant to run the facility, and even the plant won't be done until 2016, I think.
Also, the dumb "Plum Island" concerns aside, the NBAF's proximity to the university was one of the major selling points of the Manhattan location. They didn't want some remote facility that was difficult for the scientists to get to. The CDC is located in downtown Atlanta right next to Emory U.
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Man, lotta hate for Roberts on here. I guess it doesn't bother me because I don't think it's hypocritical to (1) recognize this project is a massive waste of money, but (2) realize there's nothing I can do to stop it so I can at least enjoy the ancillary benefit to Manhattan, KS. Then again, I'm not a senator who actually has power over appropriations.
Btw - this project won't be online until 2022. All they're building right now is the power plant to run the facility, and even the plant won't be done until 2016, I think.
you're a waste of money
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Man, lotta hate for Roberts on here. I guess it doesn't bother me because I don't think it's hypocritical to (1) recognize this project is a massive waste of money, but (2) realize there's nothing I can do to stop it so I can at least enjoy the ancillary benefit to Manhattan, KS.
The project was Pat Roberts' idea in the first place! Hence, the hypocracy. And he's championed this "massive waste of money" at every turn of the pass. Hence, double hyprocacy.
Found this gem of a press release from 2013.
WASHINGTON, D.C. – Today, U.S. Senator Pat Roberts (R-Kan.) along with U.S. Senator Jerry Moran (R-Kan.), a member of the U.S. Senate Appropriations Committee, announced the Fiscal Year 2014 Homeland Security Appropriations Bill was approved with bipartisan support by the Senate Appropriations Committee. The bill includes $404 million for construction of the National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility (NBAF), an amount equal to the U.S. House of Representatives approved appropriations bill and a critical step forward for the lab under construction in Manhattan, Kan.
“It’s an objective fact,” Sen. Roberts said. “The nation needs NBAF. Every delay leaves the American people and the American food supply at greater risk. Another important step toward completion was made today as $404 million for construction of the NBAF made it out of committee and is now on its way to the Senate floor. We need to get this done, and I look forward to broad bipartisan support of the NBAF on the Senate floor.”
The committee approved bill now awaits passage by the full U.S. Senate.
http://www.moran.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/news-releases?ID=dbd095bd-ffbd-4799-a507-65703b42074c
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Proposing an expensive undertaking such as this, then voting against its funding, is gross negligence, at the least.
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I don't like Roberts as much as the next guy, but he voted against a 1.1 trillion dollar spending bill. Making it sound like he voted specifically against the NBAF is a stretch.
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I don't like Roberts as the next guy, but he voted against a 1.1 trillion dollar spending bill. Making it sound like he voted specifically against the NBAF is a stretch.
and he probably knew without a doubt that the bill would pass.
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Well, to be fair, the project has nearly doubled in cost since it was first approved. It has something to do with some dumbass's decision to encase a big portion of the facility in about a foot of concrete. Apparently, it can withstand an EF-5 tornado, polar vortex, and shark-nado all at the same time.
We need to figure out how to somehow get our football renovations worked into this project. :money:
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Well, to be fair, the project has nearly doubled in cost since it was first approved. It has something to do with some dumbass's decision to encase a big portion of the facility in about a foot of concrete. Apparently, it can withstand an EF-5 tornado, polar vortex, and shark-nado all at the same time.
We need to figure out how to somehow get our football renovations worked into this project. :money:
you need to be happier about the amount of construction planned for manhattan or i'm going to change your name to G-O-P Republicans!
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Well, to be fair, the project has nearly doubled in cost since it was first approved. It has something to do with some dumbass's decision to encase a big portion of the facility in about a foot of concrete. Apparently, it can withstand an EF-5 tornado, polar vortex, and shark-nado all at the same time.
We need to figure out how to somehow get our football renovations worked into this project. :money:
That's supposed to be dumb??
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I don't like Roberts as much as the next guy, but he voted against a 1.1 trillion dollar spending bill. Making it sound like he voted specifically against the NBAF is a stretch.
Odd. In non-election year, Roberts introduced and passed a massive Farm Bill priced at $1 trillion, saying “It shows what can happen if we break the logjam of partisanship and work together to get something done." http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/22/us/politics/senate-passes-farm-bill-but-tougher-road-seen-in-house.html
He also voted in support of a 2012 Senate spending bill that was about 950billion.
so.
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I don't like Roberts as much as the next guy, but he voted against a 1.1 trillion dollar spending bill. Making it sound like he voted specifically against the NBAF is a stretch.
Odd. In non-election year, Roberts introduced and passed a massive Farm Bill priced at $1 trillion, saying “It shows what can happen if we break the logjam of partisanship and work together to get something done." http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/22/us/politics/senate-passes-farm-bill-but-tougher-road-seen-in-house.html
He also voted in support of a 2012 Senate spending bill that was about 950billion.
so.
He is either getting pushed right by GOP competition in his primary or he is going right for GOP Pres nomination. Neither of those two things were an issue in 2012.
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I don't like Roberts as much as the next guy, but he voted against a 1.1 trillion dollar spending bill. Making it sound like he voted specifically against the NBAF is a stretch.
Odd. In non-election year, Roberts introduced and passed a massive Farm Bill priced at $1 trillion, saying “It shows what can happen if we break the logjam of partisanship and work together to get something done." http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/22/us/politics/senate-passes-farm-bill-but-tougher-road-seen-in-house.html
He also voted in support of a 2012 Senate spending bill that was about 950billion.
so.
He is either getting pushed right by GOP competition in his primary or he is going right for GOP Pres nomination. Neither of those two things were an issue in 2012.
Yeah. That's the point. Politics.
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Well, to be fair, the project has nearly doubled in cost since it was first approved. It has something to do with some dumbass's decision to encase a big portion of the facility in about a foot of concrete. Apparently, it can withstand an EF-5 tornado, polar vortex, and shark-nado all at the same time.
We need to figure out how to somehow get our football renovations worked into this project. :money:
That's supposed to be dumb??
It is according to a director of the facility, whom I just spoke to in the last couple of weeks. He didn't make any secret of it. The design has been way over-built, which has doubled the cost and extended the schedule (lawsuits and funding questions didn't help either, obviously). So we're now looking at a facility that's going to cost over a billion dollars that won't be open until 2022 at the earliest. In other words, exactly what you would expect from the government.
He also had some pretty funny stories about Texas's lawsuit challenging the Manhattan location. Apparently, they actually cited Wizard if Oz as proof that Kansas was too risky because of tornados. They also cited the Greensburg tornado even though that's geographically closer to Texas than Manhattan.
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I am somewhat surprised that the majority of the facility isn't going to be under ground.
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I've never seen a giraffe sucked up by a tornado. It stands to reason that they should keep giraffes wandering the facility as their tornado prevention. Would make for a sweet Kansas field trip too.
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Roberts being outed as a massive hypocrite is awesome. His run for pres will be as funny as Brownbacks
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He had his cake and ate it too. Seems like a pretty slick politician.
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Pat is a stud
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power plant, evidently
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from kimball...
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new kansas dept. of ag:
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He had his cake and ate it too. Seems like a pretty slick politician.
You would make a really great political strategist
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Confirmation the NYT reads this blog.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/08/us/senator-races-to-show-ties-including-an-address-in-kansas.html?hp (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/08/us/senator-races-to-show-ties-including-an-address-in-kansas.html?hp)
Also, why does this guy keep getting quoted?
“In four and one-half going on five years of existence have we been contacted by Senator Roberts or any of his staff? Not once,” said Chuck Henderson, a Tea Party activist in Manhattan, Kan., who mocked the notion of the senator’s “official” residence here.
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This thread makes me want some bbq
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This thread makes me want some bbq
Go to Karnivore.
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This thread makes me want some bbq
Go to Karnivore.
Is it actually good? That location seems destined for failure.
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This thread makes me want some bbq
Go to Karnivore.
my motorcycle boots haven't come in the mail yet
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This thread makes me want some bbq
Go to Karnivore.
Is it actually good? That location seems destined for failure.
It's like, really really good. Agree on the location but everytime I go back it's busier than the last time.
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are we trolling here, Stevesie?
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are we trolling here, Stevesie?
I am not. I do not troll when it comes to mhk eateries.
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are we trolling here, Stevesie?
I am not. I do not troll when it comes to mhk eateries.
it's like, i really want to believe stevesie, but the placed in called "karnivore" for crying out loud.
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this is going to be a really big building
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Check out the nbaf link for pictures and plans
http://kansasengineer.org/NewsEvents/ConferencePresentations.aspx
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Wow, is that the biggest project in the state's history?
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http://www.vox.com/2014/7/3/5867467/map-the-25-cities-nobody-wants-to-live-in?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=voxdotcom&utm_content=monday
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What in the world?
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WE WERE LIED TO
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Interesting, if true.
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Got sidetracked reading about why George Takei loves America. What does it say?
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the population went down by 300 people from 2012 to 2013
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Cow Aids moves so quickly. Not even built yet.
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This is unexpected news.
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WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN??? :ohno: :ohno:
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it's like that club that only elites can get into
:gocho:
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http://www.vox.com/2014/7/3/5867467/map-the-25-cities-nobody-wants-to-live-in?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=voxdotcom&utm_content=monday
yeah I saw that yesterday from my phone and was like, "lol, topeka" then was :surprised: when it said Manhattan
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the 25 cities that nobody except more than 50,000 people want to live in.
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it's like that club that only elites can get into
:gocho:
I thought enrollment for purple cat U was up. I think dax got in some squak faces about it awhile back.
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it's like that club that only elites can get into
:gocho:
I thought enrollment for purple cat U was up. I think dax got in some squak faces about it awhile back.
It is. I think what this tells us is every year KSU is sending its graduates all over the country and world for their jobs. They don't stick around long, off to NYC, London or Tokyo...
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Estimated to grow at about 6969% for the next 69 years. Shouldnt end up with somewhere around 6.9 million people in the Manhattan metro area by 2069.
2010 ben ji was so immature.
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Estimated to grow at about 6969% for the next 69 years. Shouldnt end up with somewhere around 6.9 million people in the Manhattan metro area by 2069.
2010 ben ji was so immature.
69 is such a fun number to say
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Gonna win 'em all!
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Gonna win 'em all!
Quoted this constantly in high school
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Look at item 8 on this list :ohno:
http://listverse.com/2014/12/09/10-environmental-disaster-time-bombs/
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Interesting that this thread was bumped while I'm currently in a mhk bbq establishment
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Interesting that this thread was bumped while I'm currently in a mhk bbq establishment
Glad to see Karnivore is still kicking ass.
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Interesting that this thread was bumped while I'm currently in a mhk bbq establishment
Glad to see Karnivore is still kicking ass.
It isn't and never was. Bet he was at Cox.
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Interesting that this thread was bumped while I'm currently in a mhk bbq establishment
Glad to see Karnivore is still kicking ass.
It isn't and never was. Bet he was at Cox.
famous daves :dunno:
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i bet it was Hy-Vee bbq
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Interesting that this thread was bumped while I'm currently in a mhk bbq establishment
Glad to see Karnivore is still kicking ass.
It isn't and never was. Bet he was at Cox.
:D
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Here's the thing. BSFS is 1.3 miles from Anderson. Perceived "heart" of campus. But, it's not really the center of campus anymore. Over the past decades, campus growth has been northwest. Even if you don't consider jardine/athletic complex/rec center/vet complex part of campus, the stadium is still only .5mile from Claflin/Denison.
I definitely wish we'd built the thing on top of East Stadium years ago. But, over the years, we chose to just extend campus to the football stadium. Either way, it's essentially "on campus" in every sense of the phrase.
The city and K-State are about to embark on a massive overhaul of what they are calling the "Kimball Corridor" -- basically Kimball from College Ave to Tuttle Creek Blvd will be developed with condos, town homes, businesses, restaurants, etc. This is being done with NBAF in mind, but it will certainly be a major benefit to Athletics. Within 5+ years, there won't be any more sheep lot parking, but there will be sports bars or restaurants across the street to get Pak'd in before a Catz hoops or foosball event.
You could make a pretty easy case that NBAF will be as important a city "center" as Anderson Hall currently is, and BSFS will be just down the street.
Related: http://www.found.ksu.edu/noteworthy/2014/new-building.html (http://www.found.ksu.edu/noteworthy/2014/new-building.html)
First step in development of north campus corridor. Lots more to come.
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http://www.k-state.edu/nbaf/documents/KSUF%20Kimball%20Master%20Plan.pdf (http://www.k-state.edu/nbaf/documents/KSUF%20Kimball%20Master%20Plan.pdf)
Better renderings of foundation office park. Retail spaces available in there I think, restaurants and bars being looked at on the corner of Kimball and College, along with spaces between denison and TCB.
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The world is going to run out of limestone with all this new construction in MHK
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https://twitter.com/kstate_pres/status/573840898582249472
http://www.k-state.edu/media/newsreleases/mar15/nbafconstruction3615.html#.VPmuWCwX3lA.twitter (http://www.k-state.edu/media/newsreleases/mar15/nbafconstruction3615.html#.VPmuWCwX3lA.twitter)
Summary: Congress passed the bill to fully fund the project. Construction begins in May with an estimated completion date of December 2020.
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https://twitter.com/kstate_pres/status/573840898582249472
http://www.k-state.edu/media/newsreleases/mar15/nbafconstruction3615.html#.VPmuWCwX3lA.twitter (http://www.k-state.edu/media/newsreleases/mar15/nbafconstruction3615.html#.VPmuWCwX3lA.twitter)
Summary: Congress passed the bill to fully fund the project. Construction begins in May with an estimated completion date of December 2020.
mhk will need it with the impending downsizing of ft riley.
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It's a shame this BBS won't live to see the completion of NBAF. :sad:
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it would be great to have a poster who works at the NBAF for captaincrap-y insider info
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Is 5 years of construction normal for a building this size? I guess high security and stuff so probably is. :dunno:
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Is reasonable.
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mhk will need it with the impending downsizing of ft riley.
ft riley needs to be here to defend NBAF slash contain the outbreak
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mhk will need it with the impending downsizing of ft riley.
ft riley needs to be here to defend NBAF slash contain the outbreak
i'm beginning to think mhk only got nbaf because they (govt) knew they were going to off ft riley. :ohno:
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i think they (govt) would not think twice about demolishing fort riley without giving riley county anything in return
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i think they (govt) would not think twice about demolishing fort riley without giving riley county anything in return
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From some press release I got in an email.
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DHS S&T AWARDS FINAL CONTRACT FOR CONSTRUCTION OF NATIONAL BIO AND AGRO-DEFENSE FACILITY
WASHINGTON D.C. – The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Science and Technology Directorate (S&T) today announced the award of a contract for the final phase of construction of the National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility (NBAF) being constructed in Manhattan, Kansas. The $834 million award by S&T’s procurement support partner, the Federal Law Enforcement Training Centers (FLETC), modifies the existing contract for McCarthy Mortensen NBAF Joint Venture, which was selected in 2009.
“The NBAF will be a key component in our joint effort with the U.S. Department of Agriculture to advance research critical to the security of our nation’s food supply and agricultural economy,” said S&T Under Secretary Dr. Reginald Brothers. “This critical facility will further develop the strategic partnerships between the Department, the State of Kansas, and the City of Manhattan, along with private entities and better leverage the research capabilities of the NBAF once it is operational.”
The State of Kansas is providing $307 million, and the City of Manhattan is providing $5 million towards the total acquisition cost inclusive of planning, design, construction and commissioning of the $1.25 billion facility.
The award is the beginning of the third and final phase of construction of the NBAF. Site preparation was completed in 2012 with funding provided by the State of Kansas. The central utility plant (CUP) is expected to be completed in October of this year. The $80 million CUP, which houses the boilers, chillers, emergency diesel generators, and other support elements for the main laboratory facility, was funded with $40 million in federal appropriations and $40 million in gift funding from the State of Kansas.
Construction is expected to be completed in 2020 with full operational capability achieved by 2022
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Also, lol at this
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/08/04/secret-sanctions-revealed-against-university-hosting-125-billion-biolab/31075709/
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/08/04/secret-sanctions-revealed-against-university-hosting-125-billion-biolab/31075709/
paperwork is a bitch.
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it would be great to have a poster who works at the NBAF for captaincrap-y insider info
I have a good friend moving back soon as Project Manager for a company doing some of the mechanical/plumbing/HVAC contracting. Could be a scoop-y situation. As long as they aren't tracking his keystrokes! :ohno:
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Those cow association guys seem like rough ridin' assholes.
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Seems like a hatchet job from a major news source is a sign that KSU is on the map!
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LOL at USA Today
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LOL at USA Today
when you're the best, everyone will try their hardest to tear you down #blessed
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That article was written by a ku alum...seriously. LOL jealousy is a stinky perfume.
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That article was written by a ku alum...seriously. LOL jealousy is a stinky perfume.
you think a ku alum could get that crap position :lol:
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Goes to show you how crappy USA today is...Let's just put up an article that has nobody on record providing ANY specifics.
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mhk will need it with the impending downsizing of ft riley.
ft riley needs to be here to defend NBAF slash contain the outbreak
i'm beginning to think mhk only got nbaf because they (govt) knew they were going to off ft riley. :ohno:
ft riley did as well as possible in the latest round of cuts. really good news for mhk.
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LOL at USA Today
I bet the KSU PR people are just lol'ing all over this. BET
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That article was written by a ku alum...seriously. LOL jealousy is a stinky perfume.
Lol. I thought you were just gE'ing. Nope.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/alisonannyoung
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After reading that hack job of an article I just had a feeling it was written by a ku homer. So I did some googling on the internets machine and BAM! My gut was right again...what a sorry school to share part of our state with.
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Someone sent me this today, thought I would share.
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Containment pits?
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Is NBAF more under the USDA or Homeland Security?
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Is NBAF more under the USDA or Homeland Security?
Trick question. No one puts NBAF in the under.
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Someone sent me this today, thought I would share.
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There are some very interesting vehicles in that pic.
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i just don't think i could never bring myself to use one of those sun shades
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You just turn the ac on when you start the car and like 2 minutes later it's frosty
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You just turn the ac on when you start the car and like 2 minutes later it's frosty
yes. i mean i have black leather in my car and would never consider owning one of those things
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i count 7 in that photo! how many can you find?
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i just don't think i could never bring myself to use one of those sun shades
i try to get rid of my mother's every time i have to ride in her vehicle. she does not appreciate what i'm trying to do for her.
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Oh man Mrs. Gooch is going to come in here wanting to fight all you guys. She loves the crap out of sun shades.
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Oh man Mrs. Gooch is going to come in here wanting to fight all you guys. She loves the crap out of sun shades.
does she fold them up when she takes them down, or tries to fold them up and then gives up and tosses them in the back seat?
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or does she have one that rolls up instead of folds up?
follow up: cardboard in the shape of human sunglassses, or ultra-reflective aluminum foil?
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I mean, do you guys have hands that are all callused up and can't feel the 150 degree steering wheel when you get in the hot car???
I fold it up and put it in the passenger floorboard, and when I have the rare passenger I put it in the back seat.
Actually I need a better one because I one I have doesn't stay up all the time and doesn't extend all the way from the front of the dash to the top of the windshield. (It helps keep your dash nice and new looking and not all sun faded.)
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Oh man Mrs. Gooch is going to come in here wanting to fight all you guys. She loves the crap out of sun shades.
does she fold them up when she takes them down, or tries to fold them up and then gives up and tosses them in the back seat?
folds it up does not put the wrap on it so it accordion opens in the back seat.
or does she have one that rolls up instead of folds up?
follow up: cardboard in the shape of human sunglassses, or ultra-reflective aluminum foil?
foil
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I mean, do you guys have hands that are all callused up and can't feel the 150 degree steering wheel when you get in the hot car???
I fold it up and put it in the passenger floorboard, and when I have the rare passenger I put it in the back seat.
Actually I need a better one because I one I have doesn't stay up all the time and doesn't extend all the way from the front of the dash to the top of the windshield. (It helps keep your dash nice and new looking and not all sun faded.)
you might need a new car if you can pick up the passenger floorboard
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I mean, do you guys have hands that are all callused up and can't feel the 150 degree steering wheel when you get in the hot car???
Pro-tip: when you park, turn your wheel as far as it will go. Then when you get in your car to leave, you can turn it back to normal and the hot part of the steering wheel won't be where your hands touch.
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math and waks dont get along :lol:
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math and waks dont get along :lol:
My wheel doesn't turn 180 degrees when I'm in park. Maybe I grip my steering wheel weird but it works. :dunno:
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maybe turn the wheel before you get in park? also how do you know how many degrees a certain cars wheel can turn? are they all the same? i think not!
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maybe turn the wheel before you get in park? also how do you know how many degrees a certain cars wheel can turn? are they all the same? i think not!
waks didn't say anything about how many degrees he would turn it. Mrs. Gooch said it felt like it was 150 degrees fahrenheit (at least I assume she didn't mean celsius).
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maybe turn the wheel before you get in park? also how do you know how many degrees a certain cars wheel can turn? are they all the same? i think not!
waks didn't say anything about how many degrees he would turn it. Mrs. Gooch said it felt like it was 150 degrees fahrenheit (at least I assume she didn't mean celsius).
degrees mean more than I thing
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That's a fake hack
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maybe turn the wheel before you get in park? also how do you know how many degrees a certain cars wheel can turn? are they all the same? i think not!
waks didn't say anything about how many degrees he would turn it. Mrs. Gooch said it felt like it was 150 degrees fahrenheit (at least I assume she didn't mean celsius).
degrees mean more than I thing
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Yes, I acknowledged that in my post. You know, sometimes I don't think you read posts in their entirety before responding.
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I'm not going to type out my explanation because it involves like 7 posts, but I think we are on the same page here it's just lost in the translation
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That's stupid though. I would be willing to bet there is very little temperature variation along the entire circumference of the wheel.
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My shifter is way below the bottom of the steering wheel and is hotter than the core of the sun
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you are also touching the top of it, which is facing the sun. unless you have a metal steering wheel that conducts heat, it totally works
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it's 8 and 4, not 10 and 2, anyway.
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Take a drivers safety course. It's 9 and 3.
Gonna win 'em all!
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Take a drivers safety course. It's 9 and 3.
Gonna win 'em all!
nuh-uh.
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I'm about a 5 solo hand guy
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I'm about a 5 solo hand guy
Me too!
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7 solo hand here (highway)
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7 solo hand here (highway)
Same
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Left hand six
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Left hand six
Wow! Never would have guessed this one!
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In town it's a left hand 1, on the highway a left hand 7.
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Left hand one? Are you a weirdo mutant?
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Left hand seven????? :runaway:
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i'll be honest though, i think i'm pretty all over the map and most of the time just steer with my knees
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i'll be honest though, i think i'm pretty all over the map and most of the time just steer with my knees
You've never gone left hand seven tho, I'm sure of it
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i just don't think i could never bring myself to use one of those sun shades
i'll never drive a vehicle without one. they're indispensable.
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Left hand one? Are you a weirdo mutant?
Where else is your left hand supposed to go in a gangsta lean?
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i just don't think i could never bring myself to use one of those sun shades
i try to get rid of my mother's every time i have to ride in her vehicle. she does not appreciate what i'm trying to do for her.
my god. our school system is in worse shape than anyone has realized.
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Oh man Mrs. Gooch is going to come in here wanting to fight all you guys. She loves the crap out of sun shades.
oh thank god. i thought i was the only rational human left on earth.
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highway = left hand 9, alternating to a left hand 6 for a changeup. sometimes i find my right hand at 12 too. idk guys i think i am all over the map
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i just don't think i could never bring myself to use one of those sun shades
i'll never drive a vehicle without one. they're indispensable.
what's your stance on cell phone holsters?
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Actually I need a better one.
you want one of these. they're fantastic.
http://www.covercraft.com/cartlink/index.php?cust_id=covercraft&prod_id=uvcs
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what's your stance on cell phone holsters?
i don't care what people do with their cell phones.
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Why hasn't someone invented a windshield that you can just push a button and it glazes over?
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Why hasn't someone invented a windshield that you can just push a button and it glazes over?
:cheese:
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i'll be honest though, i think i'm pretty all over the map and most of the time just steer with my knees
when i saw rick daris driving i could not see any hands. he could not have been using any.
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why not just make a car that turns inside out when you lock it and then back the correct way when you unlock so the temperature inside will never be any hotter than it is outside?
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Why hasn't someone invented a windshield that you can just push a button and it glazes over?
i would buy that car.
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I recently got a car with a V6. When I'm in the mood to drive aggresively, the engine really roars and I'll do a 12:00 with my right hand, arm fully extended. Like an angry fist punching through traffic. Probably flexing a little, too.
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I just go garage to garage and never would I think about one of those shades grandmas use.
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I just go garage to garage and never would I think about one of those shades grandmas use.
There is a garage everywhere you go?
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With exception of a matinee movie I'm never parked outside in the sun longer than an hour of so it seems. And I haven't been to a movie in ages.
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the plus to the last two pages of this thread is that if i end up with sys or mrs gooch for this years white elephant gift exchange goEMAW secret santa thing, i already know what i'm getting them.
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I just go garage to garage and never would I think about one of those shades grandmas use.
There is a garage everywhere you go?
Of course, he has a tailgating canopy. Stops car and puts up canopy; pulls lawn chair out of trunk and pops open a beer from cooler. Presto instant tailgate. :fatty:
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the plus to the last two pages of this thread is that if i end up with sys or mrs gooch for this years white elephant gift exchange goEMAW secret santa thing, i already know what i'm getting them.
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Oh my GAWD! Not the back braker wood bead pad. #S&Mtoys
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the plus to the last two pages of this thread is that if i end up with sys or mrs gooch for this years white elephant gift exchange goEMAW secret santa thing, i already know what i'm getting them.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/51/1a/18/511a184f8adc4d303e5edfb0c03f3655.jpg)
No I do not need a macrame seat cover.
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the plus to the last two pages of this thread is that if i end up with sys or mrs gooch for this years white elephant gift exchange goEMAW secret santa thing, i already know what i'm getting them.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/51/1a/18/511a184f8adc4d303e5edfb0c03f3655.jpg)
i bought these for my whip. (whip is an industry term for vehicle, mostly used by automotive enthusiasts and insiders to the car game).
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fg01.a.alicdn.com%2Fkf%2FHTB1IBruHVXXXXbUXpXXq6xXFXXX1%2F2015-car-headrest-plush-neck-car-seat-cushion-car-seat-covers-3D-animal-cat-tiger-car.jpg&hash=d5009c495b5940ad8cb57f5aadec4bf555d0e79b)
anyway, as a cat it's great to walk out to your car and see a cat waiting for you to sit down with your neck to its face. go cats!
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you should put some velcro on the tongue part and then rub your neck back and forth and pretend like it's licking you
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the plus to the last two pages of this thread is that if i end up with sys or mrs gooch for this years white elephant gift exchange goEMAW secret santa thing, i already know what i'm getting them.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/51/1a/18/511a184f8adc4d303e5edfb0c03f3655.jpg)
I would love it if goEMAW did a gift exchange.
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It would be the highlight of my year
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the plus to the last two pages of this thread is that if i end up with sys or mrs gooch for this years white elephant gift exchange goEMAW secret santa thing, i already know what i'm getting them.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/51/1a/18/511a184f8adc4d303e5edfb0c03f3655.jpg)
I would love it if goEMAW did a gift exchange.
I'm trying to think of a good reason not to and I've got nothing.
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So let's do it, folks! Secret Santa mother fuckers!
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Ok, Stevesie60 will arrange everything
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We need a new thread for this. Too many NBAF haters are unknowingly missing out.
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I like the idea of a Bio and Agro-Defense Gift Exchange.
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i just don't think i could never bring myself to use one of those sun shades
i try to get rid of my mother's every time i have to ride in her vehicle. she does not appreciate what i'm trying to do for her.
my god. our school system is in worse shape than anyone has realized.
nuh-uh.
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The new Manhattan Ave project looks great. So many turn lanes between Kimball and Research Dr that I lost count! :love:
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The new Manhattan Ave project looks great. So many turn lanes between Kimball and Research Dr that I lost count! :love:
pics man, pics!
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The new Manhattan Ave project looks great. So many turn lanes between Kimball and Research Dr that I lost count! :love:
does n manhattan finally go all the way through?
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The new Manhattan Ave project looks great. So many turn lanes between Kimball and Research Dr that I lost count! :love:
does n manhattan finally go all the way through?
Yup! It opened up last night.
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The new Manhattan Ave project looks great. So many turn lanes between Kimball and Research Dr that I lost count! :love:
does n manhattan finally go all the way through?
Yup! It opened up last night.
thank goodness. taking six minutes instead of five to get down there was becoming an incredible inconvenience.
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1. get the NBAF
2. score near the worst in the nation at readiness to deal with infectious disease outbreaks
3. ?
4. Profit
http://kmuw.org/post/report-kansas-ranks-near-bottom-preparedness-infectious-disease-outbreaks?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link
Kansas is one of seven states that rank in the bottom tier in a newly released report measuring states’ readiness to deal with infectious disease outbreaks.
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We have less than 50% of our adults vaccinated? Woof
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How is this coming along? It's been quiet recently.
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We have less than 50% of our adults vaccinated? Woof
That's the flu vaccine.
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It's coming along for sure.. Im sure a lot of the developers are hoping the growth happens as they were hoping/expecting. has anyone seen the massive apt. complex that they are building right smack dab in the middle of the flood plain close to Eisenhower?.. I think the rental properties are going to soften here in a while, obviously the normal ones close to campus will be fine but they are building sooo many apartment complexes now
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so this thread started a decade ago. is the NBAF almost done? done? not being worked on?
also, has mhk gotten mega-growth yet?
thank you.
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Not that Weefer is the most reliable source or anything, but there's this:
Construction of the biodefense laboratory in Manhattan, Kansas, is “the most important economic development event in Kansas since railroads crossed the length of the state, some observers opine. Jon Wefald, president of Kansas State University, notes that Manhattan’s population could double in 15 years as Kansas State and the city “are poised to become the epicenter of a Silicon Valley of animal health for this state, America, and the world.” He anticipates that the center will “draw hundreds of animal-health and food-safety researchers worldwide” and will “present a huge gravitational pull” for “companies to line up offices and plants along a research corridor stretching east to Kansas City and all the way to Columbia, Missouri.” Wefald continued, “This event will go down in our state’s history as one of Kansas’ finest hours—period. Amen and goodnight.”
http://www.semp.us/publications/biot_reader.php?BiotID=574
2010 - 52k
2020 - ~55k
GETTING THERE!!!
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does MHK have a bus yet
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They have had busses for a long time
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:lol:
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"The silicon valley of animal health"
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They have had busses for a long time
Not real ones.
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Not that Weefer is the most reliable source or anything, but there's this:
Construction of the biodefense laboratory in Manhattan, Kansas, is “the most important economic development event in Kansas since railroads crossed the length of the state, some observers opine. Jon Wefald, president of Kansas State University, notes that Manhattan’s population could double in 15 years as Kansas State and the city “are poised to become the epicenter of a Silicon Valley of animal health for this state, America, and the world.” He anticipates that the center will “draw hundreds of animal-health and food-safety researchers worldwide” and will “present a huge gravitational pull” for “companies to line up offices and plants along a research corridor stretching east to Kansas City and all the way to Columbia, Missouri.” Wefald continued, “This event will go down in our state’s history as one of Kansas’ finest hours—period. Amen and goodnight.”
http://www.semp.us/publications/biot_reader.php?BiotID=574
2010 - 52k
2020 - ~55k
GETTING THERE!!!
Based on my community and regional planning degree (in progress)... If this is similar to USDA in Ames, it could be responsible for roughly 1,500 to 2,000 jobs. Add families to that and that would be roughly 3,000 to 6,000. Add increased business/commerce/etc. and you guys could be around 10,000 more people. Good get for Manhattan.
Our man havs :thumbs:
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They have had busses for a long time
Not real ones.
They don't need "real ones", they are barely used to begin with. The ridership is so light that they will literally come to your house and pick you up if you call and ask.
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They have had busses for a long time
Not real ones.
They don't need "real ones", they are barely used to begin with. The ridership is so light that they will literally come to your house and pick you up if you call and ask.
This seems like an unusual ableist/elitist position coming from you. The ATA busses provide abysmal service. I have a relative that rides them everyday and the system could use massive improvements.
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They have had busses for a long time
Not real ones.
They don't need "real ones", they are barely used to begin with. The ridership is so light that they will literally come to your house and pick you up if you call and ask.
This seems like an unusual ableist/elitist position coming from you. The ATA busses provide abysmal service. I have a relative that rides them everyday and the system could use massive improvements.
I don't know anything about the quality of the routes or service, and it wouldn't surprise me that ridership is low partly because of bad service. I was just responding to the ridiculous idea that mhk needs large metro style "real" busses. I'm very much in favor of supporting public transportation. :thumbs:
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Seriously, have they finished building this thing yet?
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Yeah, why ain't the silicon valley of animal and plant science done yet?
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Yeah, why ain't the silicon valley of animal and plant science done yet?
A perfect case takes time. You of all people I would have thought would understand that. Guess not.
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https://www.wired.com/story/when-next-animal-plague-hits-can-this-lab-stop-it/
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HELL YEAH IT CAN STOP IT!
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well i'm in a great mood after reading that article.
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"One of the late-afternoon thunderstorms for which the Great Plains are famous had just swept through, sending sheets of rain down across the Gothic castles and limestone halls of the Kansas State University campus."