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Title: Arkansas
Post by: stunted on November 22, 2021, 10:37:38 AM
Line went from +8.5 to +7...people starting to realize the cats are rough ridin' back
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: pissclams on November 22, 2021, 10:47:43 AM
I threw a couple units towards the cats tonight, no chance that arkansas can keep this close.
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: Winters on November 22, 2021, 11:19:24 AM
Time to print some money.
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: yoga-like_abana on November 22, 2021, 11:19:55 AM
I expect McGuirl to have a big night
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: ChiComCat on November 22, 2021, 11:22:25 AM
Despite their name, they are not Kansas - Cats by 20
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 22, 2021, 05:00:15 PM
Hurts the image of our program tbh
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: wetwillie on November 22, 2021, 05:01:49 PM
I expect pigfuker will come in here and give us the business after this contest
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: CHONGS on November 22, 2021, 05:22:14 PM
We're going to beat the crap out of them.
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 22, 2021, 05:30:24 PM
We're going to beat the crap out of them.
This is the general feeling I’ve been getting too. Even from a few of the hog fans at the office.
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: ben ji on November 22, 2021, 05:34:01 PM
I will be attending my first kstate basketball game in 3 years tonight, EXCITED FOR BRUCEKETBALL!  :ksu:
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: stunted on November 22, 2021, 05:35:11 PM
 :bball: :bball: :bball:
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: Winters on November 22, 2021, 05:47:50 PM
 :eye: :bwpopcorn: :bball:
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: Cire on November 22, 2021, 06:18:09 PM
4/7 getting ready to head to the mobile


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Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: dal9 on November 22, 2021, 07:19:53 PM
is ILL tanking to avoid us in the finals?
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 22, 2021, 08:10:09 PM
Really bad job making jump shots so far
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: stunted on November 22, 2021, 08:13:11 PM
😬
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: CHONGS on November 22, 2021, 08:13:34 PM
Not great so far
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: dal9 on November 22, 2021, 08:17:56 PM
getting waxed, but that ARK end of the bencher had huge pit stains
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: Houstoncat93 on November 22, 2021, 08:18:00 PM
They are just toying with us.
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: wetwillie on November 22, 2021, 08:21:08 PM
This is a good barometer check for this team.  About where I thought we would be.
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: Winters on November 22, 2021, 08:21:49 PM
Yep, we're still dogshit.
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: CHONGS on November 22, 2021, 08:23:50 PM
Next year?
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: CHONGS on November 22, 2021, 08:25:41 PM
Horrible charge call, that needs to be removed from the game
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: Winters on November 22, 2021, 08:33:16 PM
Fire oscar.
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: wetwillie on November 22, 2021, 08:34:58 PM
Fire oscar.

We have to keep this core together!
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 22, 2021, 08:35:47 PM
I think we can (and should) claim moral victory if we can keep it within 30
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: stunted on November 22, 2021, 08:39:42 PM
Starting to attack…
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: Spracne on November 22, 2021, 08:41:04 PM
I have heard from my bookie that Arkansas is extremely underrated at #13. I'm told the real rankings (not media bias) have them around #2 or #3.
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: stunted on November 22, 2021, 08:42:41 PM
We’ll start to make some threes and they’ll start to miss their fadeaway midrangers
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: Cire on November 22, 2021, 08:54:57 PM
Awful


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Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: sys on November 22, 2021, 08:55:40 PM
i didn't realize they'd already started the regular season.  is this the sec challenge game?
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: dean_ksu on November 22, 2021, 08:57:05 PM
I foresee a big run to start the 2nd half and a come from behind victory for the wildcats!
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: I_have_purplewood on November 22, 2021, 09:01:14 PM
So much for kicking off the week right.  Not sure if I should quit drinking or just keep pounding? 

So outclassed.
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: Winters on November 22, 2021, 09:01:50 PM
I foresee a big run to start the 2nd half and a come from behind victory for the wildcats!
Quality lol
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 22, 2021, 09:10:14 PM
Fire oscar.
W
We have to keep this core together!

Why?
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: stunted on November 22, 2021, 09:19:41 PM
Play Selton more!
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 22, 2021, 09:23:38 PM
Play Nowell less. Fouls too much, can't take care of the ball.
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: I_have_purplewood on November 22, 2021, 09:26:56 PM
Play Nowell less. Fouls too much, can't take care of the ball.

He's good at an open layup though?
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: CHONGS on November 22, 2021, 09:27:02 PM
This looks pretty bad
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 22, 2021, 09:29:11 PM
But to be fair, no one can take care of the ball. Typical Oscarball.
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: HerrSonntag on November 22, 2021, 09:29:50 PM
14th time's a charm!!!
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: CHONGS on November 22, 2021, 09:30:47 PM
Another year with no one who can shoot on this team. 
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: stunted on November 22, 2021, 09:34:20 PM
HEART
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 22, 2021, 09:37:38 PM
Another year with no one who can shoot on this team.

We have shooters. We don't have an offense.
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: stunted on November 22, 2021, 09:43:06 PM
Disaster start and shooting but we are the better team
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 22, 2021, 09:44:08 PM
4-starish (he's kind of a 4-star)
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: WildcatNation on November 22, 2021, 09:44:10 PM
Where’s that dumbass that kept telling me this team wouldn’t suck ass at shooting and just offense in general?
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: I_have_purplewood on November 22, 2021, 09:44:19 PM
How many clutch 3's has Mcguirl ever hit?  I can think of one.... maybe..?
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: chum1 on November 22, 2021, 09:44:59 PM
They're taking open shots. They'rd not actually this bad at shooting because no team is.
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: CHONGS on November 22, 2021, 09:48:47 PM
They might be...
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: stunted on November 22, 2021, 09:49:29 PM
They're taking open shots. They'rd not actually this bad at shooting because no team is.

Just short term variance. Remember when the rockets missed 27 in a row
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: CHONGS on November 22, 2021, 09:54:36 PM
I'll be surprised if we aren't in the bottom 3 in the conference in shooting percentage.
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: stunted on November 22, 2021, 09:57:25 PM
Chingon you’re  a math guy, you’re better than to think that. They’re good at fts which is a good indicator for 3
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 22, 2021, 10:00:08 PM
Ark shooting 37 percent, Cats 36
Ark 3-22 from 3, Cats 2-19

Both teams suck at shooting
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: CHONGS on November 22, 2021, 10:00:59 PM
It's too early to assume there's some higher mean that we will tend to. It's perfectly possible our mean shooting percentage is pretty damn low. 

But to be fair it could also be higher.

I'm just frustrated... We should be better than this
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: cfbandyman on November 22, 2021, 10:01:11 PM
If the cats could hit 3's at somewhat respectable they could win, Arky can't do crap in the second half
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 22, 2021, 10:01:42 PM
We are winning the crap out of the 2nd half. If you told me we’d go 1-1 against arky I don’t know how you can be upset about that!
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 22, 2021, 10:06:37 PM
Arkansas won the game at the line. Cats lost it at the 3-point line.
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: stunted on November 22, 2021, 10:07:02 PM
It's too early to assume there's some higher mean that we will tend to. It's perfectly possible our mean shooting percentage is pretty damn low. 

But to be fair it could also be higher.

I'm just frustrated... We should be better than this

We have a lot of career average shooters. One elite shooter. I think we’ll be average but it’s ok cause we’ll shoot a lot of 3s which is a better shot on average and it wil open up the offense a lot.
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: cfbandyman on November 22, 2021, 10:08:03 PM
Didn't make the plays, fairly moral on that but they are definitely better than last year
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: WildcatNation on November 22, 2021, 10:09:36 PM
We win if Massoud is even an average offensive player that game. Went 0-8 with just an awful shot selection most of the time.
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: chum1 on November 22, 2021, 10:17:12 PM
Both teams were 3/22 from three. It's absolutely not too early to assume that neither will finish the season at 13.6%.

We could have shot better tonight, but so could have Arkansas. Arkansas was just better overall. Notae and Toney are ridiculous athletes.
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: IPA4Me on November 22, 2021, 10:19:24 PM
Moral victory crowd having a blast on Twitter.
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: wetwillie on November 22, 2021, 10:25:28 PM
Moral victory crowd having a blast on Twitter.

Don’t even have to leave this thread to get a yummy taste of moral victory
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: stunted on November 22, 2021, 10:34:21 PM
Moral victories absolutely mean something. Margin of victory is factored in most ranking systems for a reason.
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: mocat on November 22, 2021, 10:37:28 PM
You literally can't get any closer to covering without actually covering. Pretty impressive
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: MakeItRain on November 22, 2021, 10:40:16 PM
Moral victory crowd having a blast on Twitter.

eff man, people can't have promise about having a basketball team that's better one year removed from the worst K-State team o.a.t.? Jesus, misery loves company, I guess.
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: MakeItRain on November 22, 2021, 10:41:14 PM
You literally can't get any closer to covering without actually covering. Pretty impressive

I just sad that last 3 didn't fall so we'd end up on Bad Beats.
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: stunted on November 22, 2021, 10:41:52 PM
You literally can't get any closer to covering without actually covering. Pretty impressive

True moral victory experts would argue you can’t have one when you equal the Vegas line. But coming back and winning the 2nd half by 10, I think that’s enough to give it the big MV.
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: rob mccolley on November 22, 2021, 10:57:20 PM
https://youtu.be/Wl5hX8aFOy4
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: rob mccolley on November 22, 2021, 11:03:47 PM
https://youtu.be/LBZoDdoG62k
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 22, 2021, 11:48:10 PM
Didn’t watch. Assuming we won.
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: Cire on November 23, 2021, 07:23:15 AM
Didn’t watch. Assuming we won.
We won the second half


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Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: ben ji on November 23, 2021, 07:59:01 AM
I enjoyed my first bruceketball experience since 2018 and absolutely LOVE talking friendly smack to Arkansas Fans that I learned in the "Does playing Arkansas hurt the image of our program thread"

"Wow you guys have alot of fans here, did you use up all the make-a-wish's in your state"

"Yeah, but have you ever won a conference title in football? The what? Southwest something? Never heard of it"

(Insert joke about XC/Track national titles) "We play real sports at Kansas State, not trying to be the best at exercising"

Also the standard basic boy outfit for young arkansas grads is white wrangler jeans with boots. There was a group in front of us wearing that and I kept calling them all van halen. Ran into them at Johnny's after the game and THEY ICED ME. They must of pooled all of their remaining money to afford it but I took it as a compliment and finished it.
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 23, 2021, 08:22:59 AM
Didn’t watch. Assuming we won.
We won the second half


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Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 23, 2021, 09:14:17 AM
Another year with no one who can shoot on this team.

We have shooters. We don't have an offense.
Sounds like the new guys have been fully assimilated into the offense. Basketball is a really simple game. Why do we always make offense look so hard???
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: yoga-like_abana on November 23, 2021, 09:25:16 AM
Another year with no one who can shoot on this team.

We have shooters. We don't have an offense.
Sounds like the new guys have been fully assimilated into the offense. Basketball is a really simple game. Why do we always make offense look so hard???
exactly what I said last night. we look to constrained out there. pack had a one dribble step back and drained a three towards the end of the game. more of that please and thank you
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 23, 2021, 09:32:59 AM
Another year with no one who can shoot on this team.

We have shooters. We don't have an offense.
Sounds like the new guys have been fully assimilated into the offense. Basketball is a really simple game. Why do we always make offense look so hard???
exactly what I said last night. we look to constrained out there. pack had a one dribble step back and drained a three towards the end of the game. more of that please and thank you
Some teams make basketball (esp the offensive aspects) look effortless and fun (KU, Baylor, Hoiberg's ISU teams). We tend to make it look agonizing!
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: wetwillie on November 23, 2021, 09:57:17 AM
I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a game where over 40 threes get chucked between two teams and only 13% go in.
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: MakeItRain on November 23, 2021, 10:13:32 AM
Another year with no one who can shoot on this team.

We have shooters. We don't have an offense.
Sounds like the new guys have been fully assimilated into the offense. Basketball is a really simple game. Why do we always make offense look so hard???
exactly what I said last night. we look to constrained out there. pack had a one dribble step back and drained a three towards the end of the game. more of that please and thank you
Some teams make basketball (esp the offensive aspects) look effortless and fun (KU, Baylor, Hoiberg's ISU teams). We tend to make it look agonizing!

It's because oscar wants to limit possessions so we go into these agonizing half court sets, then if we aren't hitting shots it makes it even worse. The twitter crowd complains about the number of 3s we take but against most quality teams, we're going to shoot a ton because oscar doesn't really allow them to score on the break or secondary break, which is how you're going to get most shots at the rim. You can see this with Arkansas. Mussleman slowed them down after the under 12 timeout in the second half and they, for the most part, stopped getting shots at the rim and started chucking 3s.
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: Cire on November 23, 2021, 10:40:24 AM
Ball movement was bad. No screens. One guy dribbling into bad shots again and again


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Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: wetwillie on November 23, 2021, 10:49:34 AM
Our front court is going to be a huge problem, I’m not worried about our backcourt.  Ish and Bradford need to play wayyyy better for this team to be any good.
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 23, 2021, 10:53:19 AM
Another year with no one who can shoot on this team.

We have shooters. We don't have an offense.
Sounds like the new guys have been fully assimilated into the offense. Basketball is a really simple game. Why do we always make offense look so hard???
exactly what I said last night. we look to constrained out there. pack had a one dribble step back and drained a three towards the end of the game. more of that please and thank you
Some teams make basketball (esp the offensive aspects) look effortless and fun (KU, Baylor, Hoiberg's ISU teams). We tend to make it look agonizing!

It's because oscar wants to limit possessions so we go into these agonizing half court sets, then if we aren't hitting shots it makes it even worse. The twitter crowd complains about the number of 3s we take but against most quality teams, we're going to shoot a ton because oscar doesn't really allow them to score on the break or secondary break, which is how you're going to get most shots at the rim. You can see this with Arkansas. Mussleman slowed them down after the under 12 timeout in the second half and they, for the most part, stopped getting shots at the rim and started chucking 3s.
Limiting possessions is great if The Flush or Jake Pullen are slashing into the lane for a layup at the end of the shot clock or if Jimmy Chitwood is swishing a wide open jumper that has been set up by great side-to-side ball movement in the halfcourt offense. The way oscar does it is tough to watch.
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: Cire on November 23, 2021, 11:00:01 AM
Ish has zero desire to play inside.

Seems like he would be a guy that could draw a bunch of fouls if he had the desire to.


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Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: MakeItRain on November 23, 2021, 11:22:14 AM
Another year with no one who can shoot on this team.

We have shooters. We don't have an offense.
Sounds like the new guys have been fully assimilated into the offense. Basketball is a really simple game. Why do we always make offense look so hard???
exactly what I said last night. we look to constrained out there. pack had a one dribble step back and drained a three towards the end of the game. more of that please and thank you
Some teams make basketball (esp the offensive aspects) look effortless and fun (KU, Baylor, Hoiberg's ISU teams). We tend to make it look agonizing!

It's because oscar wants to limit possessions so we go into these agonizing half court sets, then if we aren't hitting shots it makes it even worse. The twitter crowd complains about the number of 3s we take but against most quality teams, we're going to shoot a ton because oscar doesn't really allow them to score on the break or secondary break, which is how you're going to get most shots at the rim. You can see this with Arkansas. Mussleman slowed them down after the under 12 timeout in the second half and they, for the most part, stopped getting shots at the rim and started chucking 3s.
Limiting possessions is great if The Flush or Jake Pullen are slashing into the lane for a layup at the end of the shot clock or if Jimmy Chitwood is swishing a wide open jumper that has been set up by great side-to-side ball movement in the halfcourt offense. The way oscar does it is tough to watch.

Yeah, most college basketball teams are going to look horrific in half court sets. When Butler went to back to back final fours they played some of the worst looking basketball o.a.t.
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: stunted on November 23, 2021, 11:59:38 AM
i think nigel and selton need to play more than 28 minutes a game
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: yoga-like_abana on November 23, 2021, 01:16:56 PM
Selton's offense is a need but he's a liability on defense
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: wetwillie on November 23, 2021, 01:54:38 PM
Selton's offense is a need but he's a liability on defense

Lol no
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: stunted on November 23, 2021, 01:58:47 PM
i don't think our offense needs to be that complicated or beautiful. selton, nigel, and nowell are all creators. space the floor and let them do their thing.
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: WildcatNation on November 23, 2021, 03:17:08 PM
Selton's offense is a need but he's a liability on defense

Literally wtf lol
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: yoga-like_abana on November 23, 2021, 03:36:18 PM
Honestly probably the worst defender we have on the team.
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: MakeItRain on November 23, 2021, 05:46:45 PM
Selton's offense is a need but he's a liability on defense

It's irony!
Title: Re: Arkansas
Post by: MakeItRain on November 23, 2021, 05:47:45 PM
i think nigel and selton need to play more than 28 minutes a game

QFMFT