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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: sys on November 04, 2021, 08:08:41 PM
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the salt dance dems are doing is extremely funny.
https://twitter.com/aduehren/status/1456416061880995847
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amidst all the angst and hand-wringing about sinema and manchin cutting the bbba down to size - by far the largest expenditures being penciled in are tax cuts for the rich.
https://twitter.com/MarcGoldwein/status/1456005306199195653
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Really disappointing
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It is absurd
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This is just the usual crap by dem and repub politicians with the rich lining their pockets since the 1900's.
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This is just the usual crap by dem and repub politicians with the rich lining their pockets since the 1900's.
there's more nuance, i think.
1). if you ignore the other revenue and spending measures, the patriot tax, as manchin would prefer it to be named and the salt deduction and cap is basically taking a lot of money from people that have more than several million in annual income and giving it to people that have like 500k on up to several million in annual income (very roughly, not sure where the actual break even point would be).
2. it's a backdoor way of subsidizing high tax, blue states.
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list of states that can kiss my itemized (especially property taxes) deducting ass:
Wyoming.
Washington.
Texas.
South Dakota.
Nevada.
Florida.
Alaska
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It is absurd
also kiss my ass specifically kat kid
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Why do Democrats hate stay at home parents?
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Why do Democrats hate stay at home parents?
Why reward laziness?
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Yeah, get a job losers
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Why do Democrats hate stay at home parents?
Why reward laziness?
I don't disagree with this sentiment. However, it's something Democrats clearly do not have an issue with, so it can't explain their hate for stay at home parents.
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There are plenty of WFH gigs looking for warm bodies, get a paying gig Karen
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There are plenty of WFH gigs looking for warm bodies, get a paying gig Karen
So do you have any answers on why Democrats hate stay at home parents or just more expressions of your hate for them?
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I’m a republican so I can’t answer for them. But as a republican my position is you can’t suckle at the government teet your whole lazy shiftless life.
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it would be so rough ridin' great if dems hated parents.
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really surprised that the bib is apparently going to pass the house tonight. i assumed they'd fail again.
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I know nothing about what's in it but at least from this thread I've got hope that they'll be dropping the elbow on the stay at home mothers who have been raping our government benefit programs for centuries.
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just the bib (infrastructure) slated to pass tonight. i'm not totally clear on the structure of what they're doing with the bbba (social spend and climate) tonight, but in some fashion they're punting it to the senate.
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stay at home moms better update those resumes
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they said it couldn't be done.
https://twitter.com/AndrewSolender/status/1456825257042579457
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stay at home moms better update those resumes
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The BIB has nothing to do with childcare subsidies.
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The squad flexing their muscle 😤
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Anyone who has a problem with salt relief is a clown
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Anyone who has a problem with salt relief is a clown
PREACH
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stay at home moms better update those resumes
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The BIB has nothing to do with childcare subsidies.
I have no idea what child subsidies are or how they got here. I'm just carrying your stay at home mom flag.
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it would be so rough ridin' great if dems hated parents.
The biggest taker class there is.
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Anyone who has a problem with salt relief is a clown
The SALT cap is one of the best things Trump ever did and instead of the cap being $10,000, the SALT deduction should be eliminated entirely. All of the deductions and credits in the tax code should be eliminated, but the SALT deduction is one of the worst.
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Anyone who has a problem with salt relief is a clown
The SALT cap is one of the best things Trump ever did and instead of the cap being $10,000, the SALT deduction should be eliminated entirely. All of the deductions and credits in the tax code should be eliminated, but the SALT deduction is one of the worst.
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Anyone who has a problem with salt relief is a clown
The SALT cap is one of the best things Trump ever did and instead of the cap being $10,000, the SALT deduction should be eliminated entirely. All of the deductions and credits in the tax code should be eliminated, but the SALT deduction is one of the worst.
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lmao, self own
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they said it couldn't be done.
https://twitter.com/AndrewSolender/status/1456825257042579457
did not see this coming from the baconator
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In my county a house valued at $500k is enough to go over the SALT limit on its own.
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In my county a house valued at $500k is enough to go over the SALT limit on its own.
This might be way off, I just send my crap to the accountant and sign some papers
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In my county a house valued at $500k is enough to go over the SALT limit on its own.
I go over on my prop taxes here in NE. it's infuriating.
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SALT cappers flexin
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Anyone who has a problem with salt relief is a clown
The SALT cap is one of the best things Trump ever did and instead of the cap being $10,000, the SALT deduction should be eliminated entirely. All of the deductions and credits in the tax code should be eliminated, but the SALT deduction is one of the worst.
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Two clowns
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In my county a house valued at $500k is enough to go over the SALT limit on its own.
obviously it depends on a lot of factors aside from income and property values, but the standard deduction for a married couple is over 25k, so it takes a fair bit of itemizations to get there.
i'm sure there are a fair number of people in like the 200k income and 500k house range that are itemizing, but like, that's not where most of the money is going.
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i heard two or three admin people on the radio today describing the bbba as an inflation fighting vehicle, which is both lol and also maybe a hint of some inability to move manchin? i assumed they were just rolling with the news of the day, but maybe it is something more.
https://twitter.com/axios/status/1458609204701319168
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I want my new GM Bolt Biden!
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For whatever reason I could see manchin bailing on BBB.
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For whatever reason I could see manchin bailing on BBB.
He's given plenty of reason to think this should be an expectation.
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I want my new GM Bolt Biden!
https://twitter.com/Alex_Panetta/status/1458959027891838976
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I’d go so far as to say the union provision is unethical
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it'd be great if he mumped the unions, but that's not really the way he leans.
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thank you, senator manchin, for fighting for more expansive electric vehicle credits for all americans.
https://twitter.com/lindsemcpherson/status/1460812202856919042
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Manchin is holding out to get a carve out for Toyota in WV, which fine. The bigger wildcard is Sinema who I think loves having people mad at her and being a spectacle so may pull a McCain and just tank the whole thing last minute for completely inscrutable reasons.
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The bigger wildcard is Sinema who I think loves having people mad at her and being a spectacle so may pull a McCain and just tank the whole thing last minute for completely inscrutable reasons.
nah.
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I’ve seen a hundred hit pieces on raising the salt cap over the last week and it’s really getting under my skin. They better not cave. It’s not a giveaway to the rich, it’s a give away to people who pay a lot of salt. Anyone with a brain knows the pubs added the salt cap to try and drive high earners out of blue states and it has worked to some degree.
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I’ve seen a hundred hit pieces on raising the salt cap over the last week and it’s really getting under my skin. They better not cave. It’s not a giveaway to the rich, it’s a give away to people who pay a lot of salt. Anyone with a brain knows the pubs added the salt cap to try and drive high earners out of blue states and it has worked to some degree.
It's a giveaway to the rich.
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Anyone who has a problem with salt relief is a clown
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Anyone who has a problem with salt relief is a clown
That's great that that is your opinion. Could you show me the list of households making $50,000 a year that are paying more than $10,000 a year in SALT?
If the Democrats were raising the cap to $20,000, I could see saying it's not a giveaway to the rich. What kind of households do you think are paying $80,000 in SALT?
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apparently the house is gonna vote on the bbba tonight.
not entirely sure why, cause the senate is gonna do whatever they want with it anyways, but i guess whenever you have the votes you take the vote.
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Kevin McCarthy, lmao, dipshit.
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Anyone who has a problem with salt relief is a clown
That's great that that is your opinion. Could you show me the list of households making $50,000 a year that are paying more than $10,000 a year in SALT?
If the Democrats were raising the cap to $20,000, I could see saying it's not a giveaway to the rich. What kind of households do you think are paying $80,000 in SALT?
You’re missing the point.
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Anyone who has a problem with salt relief is a clown
That's great that that is your opinion. Could you show me the list of households making $50,000 a year that are paying more than $10,000 a year in SALT?
If the Democrats were raising the cap to $20,000, I could see saying it's not a giveaway to the rich. What kind of households do you think are paying $80,000 in SALT?
You’re missing the point.
The point is that the SALT deduction should be completely eliminated.
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Ok bernie
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Ok bernie
So what's your point?
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SALT deduction should be leveraged. Like 3x a normal deduction.
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Of all of the deductions available to the general public, SALT makes the most logical sense. So I support putting the SALT deduction back in place, but I would prefer we also get rid of some other deduction(s) to make it budget neutral.
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SALT deduction should be leveraged. Like 3x a normal deduction.
So true. For every dollar you give the government they’re only paying you back 37 cents at most. Very handsome profit margin for them.
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(https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/sites/default/files/styles/original_optimized/public/salt_three_options_v2.png?itok=KVcQx0UU)
https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/how-80000-salt-cap-stacks-against-full-deduction-those-making-400000-or-less
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that figure would be more effective if the latter three categories weren't overlapping.
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it should be embarrassing for the democrats that they only have one senator forcing them to entertain reality on the big bill they're all going to tout as their signature achievement for biden's first term.
https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1471274851159744513
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it should be embarrassing for the democrats that they only have one senator forcing them to entertain reality on the big bill they're all going to tout as their signature achievement for biden's first term.
https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1471274851159744513
Sys, you hate kids that’s fine but real Americans love the CTC.
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I also hate the ctc and consider myself a true American. One kid is fine, but every kid past that should cost more, not less.
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The proposed ctc should absolutely apply to those with adopted children, though.
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it should be embarrassing for the democrats that they only have one senator forcing them to entertain reality on the big bill they're all going to tout as their signature achievement for biden's first term.
https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1471274851159744513
Sys, you hate kids that’s fine but real Americans love the CTC.
regardless of how you feel about the ctc (and, i obviously, hope it's left out and more deserving programs are funded) the chicanery of claiming ten years of taxes pays for one, two, four or five years of a program is both laughable and short-sighted. the democrats are fortunate they have someone insisting the funding matches the drapes.
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it should be embarrassing for the democrats that they only have one senator forcing them to entertain reality on the big bill they're all going to tout as their signature achievement for biden's first term.
https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1471274851159744513
Sys, you hate kids that’s fine but real Americans love the CTC.
regardless of how you feel about the ctc (and, i obviously, hope it's left out and more deserving programs are funded) the chicanery of claiming ten years of taxes pays for one, two, four or five years of a program is both laughable and short-sighted. the democrats are fortunate they have someone insisting the funding matches the drapes.
the cbo stuff is dumb. but so is manchin insisting on 1.75T as some sort of important number. it is all dumb.
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1.75 t is semi-arbitrary*, but any number would be. regardless, it appears that that's the number, so dems need to prioritize and not pretend they don't have a number.
* - but not really that arbitrary, the limit is imposed by the taxes they can agree on, not programs they want to fund.
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1.75 t is arbitrary, but any number would be. regardless, it appears that that's the number, so dems need to prioritize and not pretend they don't have a number.
they did, thus all the gimmicks.
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they did, thus all the gimmicks.
however clever the aides that drew up the gimmicks thought they were, they failed to fool manchin, so back to the drawing board, but this time for real.
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they did, thus all the gimmicks.
however clever the aides that drew up the gimmicks thought they were, they failed to fool manchin, so back to the drawing board, but this time for real.
He just arbitrarily made the number up so they arbitrarily tried to do as much of the actual policy proposals they wanted to meet his dumb number. Then he said he didn’t like that.
Who even knows that the number means anyways, do tax raises off set? Also Manchin now seems to say that any program must be counted for the 10 year window, but even that is kind of dumb because if it is “permanent” then that number is just an arbitrary window too.
The only reason any of this is taken seriously is because everyone in a position to help get this done has to treat Manchin like he is Cicero while he struts around and gives his daily press conference to try to convince Weat Virginians he isn’t rolling over for the dems.
The entire thing is a farce and theatre. I can’t understand why you are pretending it is anything but. And even if you like that Manchin is preventing this crap you don’t like from getting passed, the way he is doing it must be a bit distasteful to you.
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that's just not true. manchin has consistently said that he'd only support programs that were offset by revenues. the ten year window is imposed by reconciliation.
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that's just not true. manchin has consistently said that he'd only support programs that were offset by revenues. the ten year window is imposed by reconciliation.
but if you raised $2T in revenue he would not approve $2T in spending and the 10 yr window is the standard CBO scoring, I'm just saying it is dumb.
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if you raised $2T in revenue he would not approve $2T in spending.
hard to know since dems had to twist the excel sheets in knots to get close to 1.75.
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I am more pissed at Gottheimer and the SALT caucus than Manchin anyways. Manchin is playing a dumb game, but I think I know how it ends. Gottheimer is just a piece of crap.
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Kk, say less
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yeah, stfu kk
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they did, thus all the gimmicks.
however clever the aides that drew up the gimmicks thought they were, they failed to fool manchin, so back to the drawing board, but this time for real.
He just arbitrarily made the number up so they arbitrarily tried to do as much of the actual policy proposals they wanted to meet his dumb number. Then he said he didn’t like that.
Who even knows that the number means anyways, do tax raises off set? Also Manchin now seems to say that any program must be counted for the 10 year window, but even that is kind of dumb because if it is “permanent” then that number is just an arbitrary window too.
The only reason any of this is taken seriously is because everyone in a position to help get this done has to treat Manchin like he is Cicero while he struts around and gives his daily press conference to try to convince Weat Virginians he isn’t rolling over for the dems.
The entire thing is a farce and theatre. I can’t understand why you are pretending it is anything but. And even if you like that Manchin is preventing this crap you don’t like from getting passed, the way he is doing it must be a bit distasteful to you.
Would you prefer for West Virginia to have a Republican senator and Mitch McConnell be majority leader?
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Yes
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good summary (thread).
https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/1471560279272030209
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they did, thus all the gimmicks.
however clever the aides that drew up the gimmicks thought they were, they failed to fool manchin, so back to the drawing board, but this time for real.
He just arbitrarily made the number up so they arbitrarily tried to do as much of the actual policy proposals they wanted to meet his dumb number. Then he said he didn’t like that.
Who even knows that the number means anyways, do tax raises off set? Also Manchin now seems to say that any program must be counted for the 10 year window, but even that is kind of dumb because if it is “permanent” then that number is just an arbitrary window too.
The only reason any of this is taken seriously is because everyone in a position to help get this done has to treat Manchin like he is Cicero while he struts around and gives his daily press conference to try to convince Weat Virginians he isn’t rolling over for the dems.
The entire thing is a farce and theatre. I can’t understand why you are pretending it is anything but. And even if you like that Manchin is preventing this crap you don’t like from getting passed, the way he is doing it must be a bit distasteful to you.
Would you prefer for West Virginia to have a Republican senator and Mitch McConnell be majority leader?
no, I understand why Manchin is doing it and why the Biden admin and Senators are treating him like a very special senate boy. I don't have to like it. This is like me getting to look ahead on the schedule and kstate players not getting to. I don't understand what sys thinks is happening.
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I don't understand what sys thinks is happening
i think my understanding is the same as yours (whatever manchin wants is what happens because they can't do anything without his vote).
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It seems to me like the bill just needs to include a special super awesome project, that is very obvious, for WV. Just give them three airports and a bridge or something. Lets get this crap going.
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I don't understand what sys thinks is happening
i think my understanding is the same as yours (whatever manchin wants is what happens because they can't do anything without his vote).
then I don't understand why you think that is good, other than just hating the ctc. is that the whole thing for you?
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then I don't understand why you think that is good, other than just hating the ctc. is that the whole thing for you?
i think it's good because, while my preferences don't align very well with manchin's (if i was 51 senators, i'd pass like a 5t climate change bill and nothing else), i think the bill manchin will agree to is better than the bill the senate would have passed without manchin and sinema to restrain them.
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then I don't understand why you think that is good, other than just hating the ctc. is that the whole thing for you?
i think it's good because, while my preferences don't align very well with manchin's (if i was 51 senators, i'd pass like a 5t climate change bill and nothing else), i think the bill manchin will agree to is better than the bill the senate would have passed without manchin and sinema to restrain them.
What would be in a $5 trillion climate bill? Why not just put an $80 per metric ton of carbon tax in place and redistribute the proceeds on a per capita basis?
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What would be in a $5 trillion climate bill? Why not just put an $80 per metric ton of carbon tax in place and redistribute the proceeds on a per capita basis?
crap tons of money for research and incentives; i'm fully convinced by the ramez naam thesis that the best/only way to accelerate global carbon-free energy adoption is to make it cheaper than carbon-intensive energy.
a carbon tax is great except that people seem to hate the idea. maybe if i was 51 senators i wouldn't care about that, but i don't expect 51 actual senators to not care about it.
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The problem with going after the CTC is that a whole bunch of people who have to start paying their fair share of taxes would start voting R to get back onto the government teat and we would have President Trump again. They should probably go after a smaller voting block, like rich people, instead.
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they did, thus all the gimmicks.
however clever the aides that drew up the gimmicks thought they were, they failed to fool manchin, so back to the drawing board, but this time for real.
He just arbitrarily made the number up so they arbitrarily tried to do as much of the actual policy proposals they wanted to meet his dumb number. Then he said he didn’t like that.
Who even knows that the number means anyways, do tax raises off set? Also Manchin now seems to say that any program must be counted for the 10 year window, but even that is kind of dumb because if it is “permanent” then that number is just an arbitrary window too.
The only reason any of this is taken seriously is because everyone in a position to help get this done has to treat Manchin like he is Cicero while he struts around and gives his daily press conference to try to convince Weat Virginians he isn’t rolling over for the dems.
The entire thing is a farce and theatre. I can’t understand why you are pretending it is anything but. And even if you like that Manchin is preventing this crap you don’t like from getting passed, the way he is doing it must be a bit distasteful to you.
Would you prefer for West Virginia to have a Republican senator and Mitch McConnell be majority leader?
That would not present a different scenario that we have now. As it stands the only real function of the Senate right now is a rubber stamp for raising the debt ceiling and confirmations for appointees. Dems have already lost the supreme court for at least a generation, so really what are we talking about. By blocking the removal of the filibuster and not supporting BBB he's functionally supporting a republican agenda by stalling cornerstone democrat initiatives.
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Joe Manchin = Hero
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they did, thus all the gimmicks.
however clever the aides that drew up the gimmicks thought they were, they failed to fool manchin, so back to the drawing board, but this time for real.
He just arbitrarily made the number up so they arbitrarily tried to do as much of the actual policy proposals they wanted to meet his dumb number. Then he said he didn’t like that.
Who even knows that the number means anyways, do tax raises off set? Also Manchin now seems to say that any program must be counted for the 10 year window, but even that is kind of dumb because if it is “permanent” then that number is just an arbitrary window too.
The only reason any of this is taken seriously is because everyone in a position to help get this done has to treat Manchin like he is Cicero while he struts around and gives his daily press conference to try to convince Weat Virginians he isn’t rolling over for the dems.
The entire thing is a farce and theatre. I can’t understand why you are pretending it is anything but. And even if you like that Manchin is preventing this crap you don’t like from getting passed, the way he is doing it must be a bit distasteful to you.
Would you prefer for West Virginia to have a Republican senator and Mitch McConnell be majority leader?
That would not present a different scenario that we have now. As it stands the only real function of the Senate right now is a rubber stamp for raising the debt ceiling and confirmations for appointees. Dems have already lost the supreme court for at least a generation, so really what are we talking about. By blocking the removal of the filibuster and not supporting BBB he's functionally supporting a republican agenda by stalling cornerstone democrat initiatives.
You forgot passing defense budgets
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Manchin announcing that he won't vote for BBB while making an appearance on Fox News is simply perfect.
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We’ve got to figure out a way to get salt relief done, perhaps through standalone legislation.
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a senate-written version of the bbba will pass. i don't think anything has changed in that regard.
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We’ve got to figure out a way to get salt relief done, perhaps through standalone legislation.
No Republicans will support it and there are a number of Democrats that are not going to support a tax break for the wealthy.
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manchin fighting for the people. :love:
https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1473003746510745602
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I don’t understand why the WH wouldn’t agree to that
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No CTC is dog crap.
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No CTC is dog crap.
Daycare will just spike the cost like they did last year. Our daycare raised the tuition cost 10% the month that the payments started being sent. Impeccable timing if you ask me. Look forward to another solid increase if this bill passes again.
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No CTC is dog crap.
Daycare will just spike the cost like they did last year. Our daycare raised the tuition cost 10% the month that the payments started being sent. Impeccable timing if you ask me. Look forward to another solid increase if this bill passes again.
Most kids that families are receiving the expanded CTC for are not in day care.
Moreover, if the daycare cost is related to the expanded CTC, then daycares will decrease the tuition cost by 10% when the expanded credit expires, right?
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No CTC is dog crap.
Daycare will just spike the cost like they did last year. Our daycare raised the tuition cost 10% the month that the payments started being sent. Impeccable timing if you ask me. Look forward to another solid increase if this bill passes again.
Most kids that families are receiving the expanded CTC for are not in day care.
Moreover, if the daycare cost is related to the expanded CTC, then daycares will decrease the tuition cost by 10% when the expanded credit expires, right?
It's never going to expire outside of some weird scenario where someone who is registered in the wrong party has a deciding vote and uses it to help the other party out.
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I don’t understand why the WH wouldn’t agree to that
Yes you do. It's a cornerstone of the agenda which has already been stripped down to the studs. It's not even a significant cost in the legislation. Letting Manchin drive the talking point of democrats dropped that provision because parents will spend the money on drugs would kill a party already seemingly on life support.
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No CTC is dog crap.
Daycare will just spike the cost like they did last year. Our daycare raised the tuition cost 10% the month that the payments started being sent. Impeccable timing if you ask me. Look forward to another solid increase if this bill passes again.
First of all that's an incredibly silly reason not to support that legislation, the amount of children in private childcare in this country is a miniscule percentage. Secondly, I'm the president of a child care center board. I can assure you the price increase you incurred had nothing to do with tax credits that you didn't even get until July, and likely more to do with needing to increase revenues to make up for loss of enrollments and the increased cost of doing business. Outside of insurance, the two biggest expenditures for child care centers are staff salary and food, both of which skyrocketed in 2021.
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I mean they could get creative and just lower the federal taxes taken out of parents paychecks of the qualifying incomes and it just stays in their pockets (vs to the govt accounts and then given back). Because elected govt officials just spend it on war and drugs.
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No CTC is dog crap.
Daycare will just spike the cost like they did last year. Our daycare raised the tuition cost 10% the month that the payments started being sent. Impeccable timing if you ask me. Look forward to another solid increase if this bill passes again.
First of all that's an incredibly silly reason not to support that legislation, the amount of children in private childcare in this country is a miniscule percentage. Secondly, I'm the president of a child care center board. I can assure you the price increase you incurred had nothing to do with tax credits that you didn't even get until July, and likely more to do with needing to increase revenues to make up for loss of enrollments and the increased cost of doing business. Outside of insurance, the two biggest expenditures for child care centers are staff salary and food, both of which skyrocketed in 2021.
Sorry i should’ve posted a sarcasm warning. I understand why increases happen, it’s usually 3.5% per year. However, this one was handed to us midyear in a document a week or 2 before the increases hit (which was July, that’s why it felt so convenient) especially after my company hit everyone with a salary reduction.
I think the ctc thing is a good thing, because ive found that i am a crap teacher while trying to work from home. And my children have done really well in the daycare environment. So everyone that’s able to get their kids into something like daycare and other education opportunities is a great thing. But had my son not loved the teachers, we probably would’ve move to another daycare. Obviously the cost was offset by it, and when the ctc goes away, the cost aren’t going down.
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"Our entire democracy is on the line," :lol: :lol: :lol:
The ProgFascists are in full blown meltdown.
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the american people do not want to pay for kat kid's children.
https://twitter.com/LesserFrederick/status/1473020961825906691
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the american people do not want to pay for kat kid's children.
https://twitter.com/LesserFrederick/status/1473020961825906691
Pretty amazing when we decide it's appropriate to govern by what's popular by the electorate and when we ignore wishes of the populace. If all of our current policies were dictated by populism there wouldn't be a need for the CTC, everything should be socialized.
I wonder what think tank tops the Dems that the CTC was the thing to draw a hardline at. The child poverty pandemic in this country didn't start in July and the CTC certainly isn't even a short term solution to the issue.
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Did everyone see that the poll actually showed the BBB is popular? Polling is dumb as crap.
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No CTC is dog crap.
Daycare will just spike the cost like they did last year. Our daycare raised the tuition cost 10% the month that the payments started being sent. Impeccable timing if you ask me. Look forward to another solid increase if this bill passes again.
First of all that's an incredibly silly reason not to support that legislation, the amount of children in private childcare in this country is a miniscule percentage. Secondly, I'm the president of a child care center board. I can assure you the price increase you incurred had nothing to do with tax credits that you didn't even get until July, and likely more to do with needing to increase revenues to make up for loss of enrollments and the increased cost of doing business. Outside of insurance, the two biggest expenditures for child care centers are staff salary and food, both of which skyrocketed in 2021.
I may be the only one, but I would be interested in a rough financial breakdown of a garden variety day care center's finances. We're now on kiddo No. 2 going through the system and after an awful experience meant an immediate withdrawal from a center last fall, we took the first infant slot available we could find and it's $1,800 per month. This center has three rooms with infants (6 infants in each room) and those three rooms alone are $30,000+ in revenue each month. Then, there's the other 10-15 rooms on top of that. Obviously, those $$$ aren't going to the horrifically paid teachers...
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No CTC is dog crap.
Daycare will just spike the cost like they did last year. Our daycare raised the tuition cost 10% the month that the payments started being sent. Impeccable timing if you ask me. Look forward to another solid increase if this bill passes again.
First of all that's an incredibly silly reason not to support that legislation, the amount of children in private childcare in this country is a miniscule percentage. Secondly, I'm the president of a child care center board. I can assure you the price increase you incurred had nothing to do with tax credits that you didn't even get until July, and likely more to do with needing to increase revenues to make up for loss of enrollments and the increased cost of doing business. Outside of insurance, the two biggest expenditures for child care centers are staff salary and food, both of which skyrocketed in 2021.
I may be the only one, but I would be interested in a rough financial breakdown of a garden variety day care center's finances. We're now on kiddo No. 2 going through the system and after an awful experience meant an immediate withdrawal from a center last fall, we took the first infant slot available we could find and it's $1,800 per month. This center has three rooms with infants (6 infants in each room) and those three rooms alone are $30,000+ in revenue each month. Then, there's the other 10-15 rooms on top of that. Obviously, those $$$ aren't going to the horrifically paid teachers...
Sounds like you need a minimum of about 20 employees? Plus all the overheard (lots of it). I don't think the owners/employees of these places are rolling around in Lamborghinis laughing all the way to the bank. In fact, you've convinced me that this would not be a business I'd want to get into.
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No CTC is dog crap.
Daycare will just spike the cost like they did last year. Our daycare raised the tuition cost 10% the month that the payments started being sent. Impeccable timing if you ask me. Look forward to another solid increase if this bill passes again.
First of all that's an incredibly silly reason not to support that legislation, the amount of children in private childcare in this country is a miniscule percentage. Secondly, I'm the president of a child care center board. I can assure you the price increase you incurred had nothing to do with tax credits that you didn't even get until July, and likely more to do with needing to increase revenues to make up for loss of enrollments and the increased cost of doing business. Outside of insurance, the two biggest expenditures for child care centers are staff salary and food, both of which skyrocketed in 2021.
I may be the only one, but I would be interested in a rough financial breakdown of a garden variety day care center's finances. We're now on kiddo No. 2 going through the system and after an awful experience meant an immediate withdrawal from a center last fall, we took the first infant slot available we could find and it's $1,800 per month. This center has three rooms with infants (6 infants in each room) and those three rooms alone are $30,000+ in revenue each month. Then, there's the other 10-15 rooms on top of that. Obviously, those $$$ aren't going to the horrifically paid teachers...
Sounds like you need a minimum of about 20 employees? Plus all the overheard (lots of it). I don't think the owners/employees of these places are rolling around in Lamborghinis laughing all the way to the bank. In fact, you've convinced me that this would not be a business I'd want to get into.
To run a good one it is probably insanely hard and stressful and not overly compensated. No thanks.
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No CTC is dog crap.
Daycare will just spike the cost like they did last year. Our daycare raised the tuition cost 10% the month that the payments started being sent. Impeccable timing if you ask me. Look forward to another solid increase if this bill passes again.
First of all that's an incredibly silly reason not to support that legislation, the amount of children in private childcare in this country is a miniscule percentage. Secondly, I'm the president of a child care center board. I can assure you the price increase you incurred had nothing to do with tax credits that you didn't even get until July, and likely more to do with needing to increase revenues to make up for loss of enrollments and the increased cost of doing business. Outside of insurance, the two biggest expenditures for child care centers are staff salary and food, both of which skyrocketed in 2021.
I may be the only one, but I would be interested in a rough financial breakdown of a garden variety day care center's finances. We're now on kiddo No. 2 going through the system and after an awful experience meant an immediate withdrawal from a center last fall, we took the first infant slot available we could find and it's $1,800 per month. This center has three rooms with infants (6 infants in each room) and those three rooms alone are $30,000+ in revenue each month. Then, there's the other 10-15 rooms on top of that. Obviously, those $$$ aren't going to the horrifically paid teachers...
The expenditures and revenues of child care centers are roughly the same for everyone. Wild variation in pricing is simply due to what the center thinks they can charge based on other centers in the area. Supply and demand is huge in the world of for profit centers, particularly for infants. Those infant rooms do cost more, because of mandates ratios, but those rates you cited are outrageous. Do you live in a Dallas suburb? What sucks the most about centers that charge tuitions like that is that it's rare for that money to filter it's way to the teachers. While the cost of labor is increasing, all of these centers are pulling from the same pool of employees. Because of the educational and training requirements, or lack thereof, of the teachers and the teachers assistants, there's no real need or desire to drive competition between centers for staff. If you're going with some fancy center like Primrose Schools or some local place in a cinder block building with old donated buses, their costs are the same and they likely are employing staff that have worked at another center at some point.
My first career was as an early childhood educator and as already stated I'm currently the board president of a center. All that being said all three of my children are products of home day cares. I know there is a stigma there but it's worth noting, especially in states where home day cares also have to be licensed, that the standards of care are exactly the same in a center than in a house.
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No CTC is dog crap.
Daycare will just spike the cost like they did last year. Our daycare raised the tuition cost 10% the month that the payments started being sent. Impeccable timing if you ask me. Look forward to another solid increase if this bill passes again.
First of all that's an incredibly silly reason not to support that legislation, the amount of children in private childcare in this country is a miniscule percentage. Secondly, I'm the president of a child care center board. I can assure you the price increase you incurred had nothing to do with tax credits that you didn't even get until July, and likely more to do with needing to increase revenues to make up for loss of enrollments and the increased cost of doing business. Outside of insurance, the two biggest expenditures for child care centers are staff salary and food, both of which skyrocketed in 2021.
I may be the only one, but I would be interested in a rough financial breakdown of a garden variety day care center's finances. We're now on kiddo No. 2 going through the system and after an awful experience meant an immediate withdrawal from a center last fall, we took the first infant slot available we could find and it's $1,800 per month. This center has three rooms with infants (6 infants in each room) and those three rooms alone are $30,000+ in revenue each month. Then, there's the other 10-15 rooms on top of that. Obviously, those $$$ aren't going to the horrifically paid teachers...
The expenditures and revenues of child care centers are roughly the same for everyone. Wild variation in pricing is simply due to what the center thinks they can charge based on other centers in the area. Supply and demand is huge in the world of for profit centers, particularly for infants. Those infant rooms do cost more, because of mandates ratios, but those rates you cited are outrageous. Do you live in a Dallas suburb? What sucks the most about centers that charge tuitions like that is that it's rare for that money to filter it's way to the teachers. While the cost of labor is increasing, all of these centers are pulling from the same pool of employees. Because of the educational and training requirements, or lack thereof, of the teachers and the teachers assistants, there's no real need or desire to drive competition between centers for staff. If you're going with some fancy center like Primrose Schools or some local place in a cinder block building with old donated buses, their costs are the same and they likely are employing staff that have worked at another center at some point.
My first career was as an early childhood educator and as already stated I'm currently the board president of a center. All that being said all three of my children are products of home day cares. I know there is a stigma there but it's worth noting, especially in states where home day cares also have to be licensed, that the standards of care are exactly the same in a center than in a house.
We are charged similar for an infant here in johnson county. They say they try to compare cost in the area to set prices. But i don’t have the time to call around and price shop and get my infant a spot, so i just accept it and only bitch on forums.
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No CTC is dog crap.
Daycare will just spike the cost like they did last year. Our daycare raised the tuition cost 10% the month that the payments started being sent. Impeccable timing if you ask me. Look forward to another solid increase if this bill passes again.
First of all that's an incredibly silly reason not to support that legislation, the amount of children in private childcare in this country is a miniscule percentage. Secondly, I'm the president of a child care center board. I can assure you the price increase you incurred had nothing to do with tax credits that you didn't even get until July, and likely more to do with needing to increase revenues to make up for loss of enrollments and the increased cost of doing business. Outside of insurance, the two biggest expenditures for child care centers are staff salary and food, both of which skyrocketed in 2021.
I may be the only one, but I would be interested in a rough financial breakdown of a garden variety day care center's finances. We're now on kiddo No. 2 going through the system and after an awful experience meant an immediate withdrawal from a center last fall, we took the first infant slot available we could find and it's $1,800 per month. This center has three rooms with infants (6 infants in each room) and those three rooms alone are $30,000+ in revenue each month. Then, there's the other 10-15 rooms on top of that. Obviously, those $$$ aren't going to the horrifically paid teachers...
The expenditures and revenues of child care centers are roughly the same for everyone. Wild variation in pricing is simply due to what the center thinks they can charge based on other centers in the area. Supply and demand is huge in the world of for profit centers, particularly for infants. Those infant rooms do cost more, because of mandates ratios, but those rates you cited are outrageous. Do you live in a Dallas suburb? What sucks the most about centers that charge tuitions like that is that it's rare for that money to filter it's way to the teachers. While the cost of labor is increasing, all of these centers are pulling from the same pool of employees. Because of the educational and training requirements, or lack thereof, of the teachers and the teachers assistants, there's no real need or desire to drive competition between centers for staff. If you're going with some fancy center like Primrose Schools or some local place in a cinder block building with old donated buses, their costs are the same and they likely are employing staff that have worked at another center at some point.
My first career was as an early childhood educator and as already stated I'm currently the board president of a center. All that being said all three of my children are products of home day cares. I know there is a stigma there but it's worth noting, especially in states where home day cares also have to be licensed, that the standards of care are exactly the same in a center than in a house.
We are charged similar for an infant here in johnson county. They say they try to compare cost in the area to set prices. But i don’t have the time to call around and price shop and get my infant a spot, so i just accept it and only bitch on forums.
When we had to pull our kid (because of an investigation into abuse at one of the chain day care centers), so we were desperate and, luckily, immediately found an in-home that could take our kid, but only for two months. So, then the race was on to find an open slot for an infant. I probably called 15-20 places in Overland Park/Olathe/Leawood/Lenexa and found only two available spots that could take our kiddo within the next two months. I didn't have any personal restrictions other than I wanted to avoid a religiously-affiliated day care. The rates were all reasonably close - ranging from $1400-$2000 per month.
Back to the financials, I don't doubt that margins aren't great, but I just don't understand where all the money goes when you're charging close to $2,000 per kid (and, I know it's not going to the teachers). I mean, there has to be a reason why chains are popping up all over the place... Goddard, Primrose, La Petite, etc.
And, if anyone has your kid in a "The Learning Experience" chain anywhere, I'd suggest you find a new place. Lots of shady practices with that chain (and that's not even counting the abuse allegations).
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Any center with an owner and a director as different people will have you paying far more than you're getting elsewhere because there are several more expenditures that have nothing to do with the care of your child. Owner revenue, franchise fees, marketing budget, often higher insurance thresholds mandated by the parent company are all unnecessary things you're paying for with those centers.
And yeah, for the most part, shopping for price differences among for profit early childhood center chains in the same area won't be worth your time, like I said supply and demand. No one is going to undercut anyone else's pricing if everyone is filling spots. Frankly, a large part of this issue also falls on the consumer because research shows that parents often conflate lower rates with a lower standard of care.
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Maybe you guys should make a daycare thread…
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Maybe you guys should make a daycare thread…
I kinda thought that's what the "bib" part of the title meant, but admittedly I have no fuckin clue what bib stands for. I was finally able to apply my brain power to figure out bbba after weeks or months of trying.
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Maybe you guys should make a daycare thread…
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admittedly I have no fuckin clue what bib stands for. I was finally able to apply my brain power to figure out bbba after weeks or months of trying.
bipartisan infrastructure bill, although i guess it's not a bill anymore, so the title is outdated.
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I know we have a lot of yuk yuks here but the us welfare state is awful and the CTC gave a shred of dignity to millions of people and it will be snatched away. I’ve said a million times means testing is bad, but I’d be fine with taxing it back/phasing it out over $150K or whatever the number is. The federal free lunch program and the CTC should be made permanent. Child poverty does not have to be a thing in the US, it is a choice.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/12/22/child-tax-credit-end-manchin/
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I know we have a lot of yuk yuks here but the us welfare state is awful and the CTC gave a shred of dignity to millions of people and it will be snatched away. I’ve said a million times means testing is bad, but I’d be fine with taxing it back/phasing it out over $150K or whatever the number is. The federal free lunch program and the CTC should be made permanent. Child poverty does not have to be a thing in the US, it is a choice.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/12/22/child-tax-credit-end-manchin/
What are your thoughts on the Romney child allowance plan?
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It has been awhile since I looked at it but I thought romneys plan was much better in that it went through social security admin so it was much more likely to catch non filers and would be much more efficient at distribution. I think he had some bullshit workfare stuff and wanted to like eliminate food stamps or something, but I would be overjoyed if they were able to work something out with Romney and then tell Manchin to eff himself.
I kind of doubt the moron dem think tank crowd that has been working on the CTC since clinton Will like it, or Biden is up for actually grasping all the details, but the Romney plan at its basics gets my endorsement and I think I am on the record as reporting Matt bruenig’s take about why it was better for kids in poverty.
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Googled and found an article with a quote from Bruenig, ha!
https://thenationaldesk.com/news/americas-news-now/romney-revives-alternative-proposal-as-dems-struggle-to-extend-child-credit
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It has been awhile since I looked at it but I thought romneys plan was much better in that it went through social security admin so it was much more likely to catch non filers and would be much more efficient at distribution. I think he had some bullshit workfare stuff and wanted to like eliminate food stamps or something, but I would be overjoyed if they were able to work something out with Romney and then tell Manchin to eff himself.
I kind of doubt the moron dem think tank crowd that has been working on the CTC since clinton Will like it, or Biden is up for actually grasping all the details, but the Romney plan at its basics gets my endorsement and I think I am on the record as reporting Matt bruenig’s take about why it was better for kids in poverty.
It's main funding mechanisms are changing the EITC to be more of a flat payment, eliminating SALT deductions (definite bonus!), eliminating the HOH tax status and eliminating TANF. The SNAP changes are only like $3.1 billion and the elimination of the Child and Dependent Care Credit is $4.7 billion.
https://www.romney.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2021-02/family%20security%20act_one%20pager.pdf
The Niskanen Center says it would cut child poverty by a third, deep child poverty by half, eliminate marriage penalties and end welfare traps.
https://www.niskanencenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Analysis-of-the-Romney-Child-Allowance_final.pdf
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Yeah I obviously think the offsetting cuts to welfare are dumb because we already have the stingiest welfare of basically anywhere (although most of those programs are bad and have onerous reporting requirements/paperwork and should be replaced/improved), but the rest of it is great.
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I know we have a lot of yuk yuks here but the us welfare state is awful and the CTC gave a shred of dignity to millions of people and it will be snatched away. I’ve said a million times means testing is bad, but I’d be fine with taxing it back/phasing it out over $150K or whatever the number is. The federal free lunch program and the CTC should be made permanent. Child poverty does not have to be a thing in the US, it is a choice.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/12/22/child-tax-credit-end-manchin/
What are your thoughts on the Romney child allowance plan?
It would have been perfect if he could have paid for it without eliminating food stamps. Or if eliminating food stamps needed to happen, threshold needed to be reduced from $400,000 for a joint filing family to dunno $250,000 and families who would have qualified for food stamps would get a bigger chunk. There are a lot of places in this country where you can't feed a damn teenager with $250 a month. Also it's silly that younger children, in all of these plans, get a higher allotment, that makes no sense.
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I know we have a lot of yuk yuks here but the us welfare state is awful and the CTC gave a shred of dignity to millions of people and it will be snatched away. I’ve said a million times means testing is bad, but I’d be fine with taxing it back/phasing it out over $150K or whatever the number is. The federal free lunch program and the CTC should be made permanent. Child poverty does not have to be a thing in the US, it is a choice.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/12/22/child-tax-credit-end-manchin/
What are your thoughts on the Romney child allowance plan?
It would have been perfect if he could have paid for it without eliminating food stamps. Or if eliminating food stamps needed to happen, threshold needed to be reduced from $400,000 for a joint filing family to dunno $250,000 and families who would have qualified for food stamps would get a bigger chunk. There are a lot of places in this country where you can't feed a damn teenager with $250 a month. Also it's silly that younger children, in all of these plans, get a higher allotment, that makes no sense.
I would have no problem with lowering the maximum incomes and when the phase out begins.
However, Romney's plan doesn't eliminate food stamps. It changes some eligibility requirements which results in a reduction of around $3 billion dollars. We spent nearly $80 billion on food stamps in 2020.
I agree that it would be better if the amount of the credit was the same for kids of all ages. The thinking in the plans is that families have to pay for day care for these kids, so they need more. Also, in the Romney plan, the Child and Dependent Care credit is eliminated, so this may be one way to compensate for that.
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apparently biden said something today that is being interpreted as recognition that the ctc will have to be killed that the bbba may live, so i guess that's good.
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I think its all dead now. There is no reason for anyone to work with Biden at this point.
The only legislation that will get worked out in the next 2-3 presidential terms will be if one party holds 60 senate seats and a house majority on top of the pres.
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I think its all dead now. There is no reason for anyone to work with Biden at this point.
The only legislation that will get worked out in the next 2-3 presidential terms will be if one party holds 60 senate seats and a house majority on top of the pres.
No, the republicans will absolutely kill the filibuster if they have more than 50 seats and less than 60.
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apparently biden said something today that is being interpreted as recognition that the ctc will have to be killed that the bbba may live, so i guess that's good.
I'm not sure 100% of the other democrats will vote for it without the ctc.
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The ‘No salt, no deal’ democrats are huge studs
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No, the republicans will absolutely kill the filibuster if they have more than 50 seats and less than 60.
i think that's backwards. dems will kill it if they gain the chance any time in the medium-term future (but fortunately they are unlikely to), republicans are unlikely to kill it anytime soon.
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:Woohoo:
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/591378-salt-change-likely-to-be-cut-from-bill-say-senate-democrats (https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/591378-salt-change-likely-to-be-cut-from-bill-say-senate-democrats)
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can’t wait to kick your ass
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don't get SALTy!
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the bill manchin will agree to is better than the bill the senate would have passed without manchin and sinema to restrain them.
:love:
https://twitter.com/josephzeballos/status/1488621479436693511
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Manchin will fall in line.
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Manchin will fall in line.
gosh, no, kim carnes. it's too expensive.
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This thing is dead
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we're back, baby.
https://twitter.com/Emma_Dumain/status/1506600233731514368
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LOL
At some point one side is going to get tired of this farce.
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LOL
At some point one side is going to get tired of this farce.
yes, lmao
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Biden has no reason to tire of this as it would be a huge achievement for him especially going in to midterms and there is no doubt in my mind that Manchin loves attention, so why not?
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No salt, no deal
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If I get my fully refundable EV tax credit I go glizzy goblin mode.
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we're back, baby.
https://twitter.com/Emma_Dumain/status/1506600233731514368
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Stupid attention seeking ploy
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https://www.axios.com/manchin-outlines-bbb-deal-requirements-723696b5-c602-42ef-907c-fcf08bab96f6.html (https://www.axios.com/manchin-outlines-bbb-deal-requirements-723696b5-c602-42ef-907c-fcf08bab96f6.html)
In those informal talks, he's outlined a deal that includes roughly $500 billion for climate and $1 trillion in new revenue.
But the senator isn't indicating any support for universal preschool or any of the other care-economy proposals that were included in Biden's initial "human infrastructure" package.
And Manchin is insisting on reducing the deficit with at least half of the revenue from new corporate taxes, as well as the estimated savings from allowing Medicare to directly negotiate the cost of prescription drugs.
It would really be something if Manchin gets on board for something and Sinema torpedoes it because of the revenue and pharma stuff. I am eager to primary her and that would make it a foregone conclusion so if it comes to it maybe the right way to go.
Progressives are hopefully smart enough to know they don't have any cards to play, but they should definitely insist on no SALT with this small of a number and tell Gottheimer and the SALT caucus to go fornicate with themselves.
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Live look in at negotiations:
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Live look in at negotiations:
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Exactly. I bet his $500 billion for climate is so incredibly narrow in scope and almost exclusively tied to corporate interests.
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lmao of course
https://www.axios.com/sinema-gives-last-rites-to-bbb-6c830312-2cf3-4b90-9665-2b2e22cde08b.html (https://www.axios.com/sinema-gives-last-rites-to-bbb-6c830312-2cf3-4b90-9665-2b2e22cde08b.html)
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:party:
https://twitter.com/rbeggin/status/1539698670748196865
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you can't spell joe manchin runs this bitch without joe manchin.
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I guess he's bored and wants to get back to his favorite pastime
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great timing for another government spending bill :flush:
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great timing for another government spending bill :flush:
deficit reduction bill.
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lmao
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They were irl spinning it as an inflation reduction bill
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They were irl spinning it as an inflation reduction bill
i mean, it will have a deflationary effect. doesn't take a lot of spin.
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How much new tax revenue are we looking at?
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How much new tax revenue are we looking at?
https://twitter.com/MarcGoldwein/status/1552695650898350081
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If the govt is paying less money for drugs, the drug companies will more than likely increase prices for everyone else. Medicare is already heavily subsidized by everyone not on Medicare. It’s a zero sum game unless you have somewhere else to get the drugs.
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If the govt is paying less money for drugs, the drug companies will more than likely increase prices for everyone else. Medicare is already heavily subsidized by everyone not on Medicare. It’s a zero sum game unless you have somewhere else to get the drugs.
It's almost like our health system sucks balls and taint and needs a huge overhaul. Weird.
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Nah, we’re good
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I guess he's bored and wants to get back to his favorite pastime
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Right! This has no shot.
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Right! This has no shot.
it's pretty much guaranteed to pass. both the extreme progressives and the salt caucus are on board. there's no one else likely to eff it up.
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The salt caucus should be embarrassed to call themselves that
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Right! This has no shot.
it's pretty much guaranteed to pass. both the extreme progressives and the salt caucus are on board. there's no one else likely to eff it up.
There’s sinema
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sinema needs the bill to pass. she might make a fuss and get a few details changed, but i'll be amazed if she's not a yes when the voting starts.
one thing i did forget is that like half of these geriatric senators have been exposed to covid in the last couple weeks. health issues could delay the voting (but they have a fair bit of time).
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https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/1555361904134168576
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Sinema preserving the carried interest loophole is so on brand. She should be priority number 1 for replacement.
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Sinema preserving the carried interest loophole is so on brand. She should be priority number 1 for replacement.
Getting rid of the carried interest loophole was probably the best thing about the bill.
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They should tell her no imo
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lol.
https://twitter.com/katiadoyl/status/1555578369491849216
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lol.
https://twitter.com/katiadoyl/status/1555578369491849216
I hope no one gets too close to Dianne Feinstein! Like I mean someone not feeling well that thinks they might get a 90 year old woman sick.
:ohno: :ohno: :ohno: :ohno:
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https://twitter.com/bykowicz/status/1555912279274799112
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poor linds couldn't help but get horned up for the war on terror when criticizing the dem's bbb lite.
https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1555575143296016385?s=20&t=dKPzzZtbs-2Y38B6GMt5Jw
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The problem is #blueanon#neocon strolls right up and calls ol' Linds one of their own if he's leading the charge towards a new war.
That's why I get a good :lol: :lol: whenever #blueanon gets mad at Lindsey, he's all talk, and all war, McCain Jr. without the veteran status.
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In calendar year 2022, enacting the bill would have a negligible effect on
inflation, in CBO’s assessment. In calendar year 2023, inflation would
probably be between 0.1 percentage point lower and 0.1 percentage point
higher under the bill than it would be under current law, CBO estimates.
CBO 8/4/2022
#midtermdesperation
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Sinema preserving the carried interest loophole is so on brand. She should be priority number 1 for replacement.
lmao
https://twitter.com/DanAmira/status/1556463591884296194?t=rlMH--fNsEC9mCnqYTND5Q&s=19
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dunno if it will work, but it seems to me like pretty much exactly the sort of focused goal that should be in mind if we're going to shovel out a ton of money in tax credits.
https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/1556754398138744833
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if they are able to pass the regulatory reform (and it's decently designed), this is going to be a really good result. quite a bit better for the country than the original bbba, imo.
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if they are able to pass the regulatory reform (and it's decently designed), this is going to be a really good result. quite a bit better for the country than the original bbba, imo.
I agree on the EV credit not having a phase out being smart business and also targeting it to American made. Union would’ve been better but oh well.
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the bbba died that the ira may be signed into law.
https://twitter.com/LPDonovan/status/1558214457284861952
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I co-sign this Sinema take
Kyrsten Sinema is a fascinating subject to me because she did something rare in the Democratic Party: She threw away her political career over a matter of principle, specifically bad principles. Sinema went to the mat to protect the super-wealthy from taxation and to severely limit the federal government’s ability to negotiate prescription-drug prices.
These policies have no meaningful electoral constituency. She forced herself into a position where, having little chance to win a Democratic primary, she fled the party and is running as an independent (assuming she makes it all the way to the election, which does not strike me as a certainty).
Tara Palmieri reports Sinema was recently being “fêted at a fundraiser in Palm Beach by Steve Schwarzman.”
Who is Steve Schwarzman? He’s a Republican hedge-funder and probably the heart of Sinema’s base. Schwarzman has backed various Republicans, but he does not care about social policy or racism. He is in it for the tax cuts.
In 2010, he compared President Obama’s plan to tax private-equity firms to Hitler’s invasion of Poland. This statement clarified that Schwarzman sees both progressive taxation and Nazism as evil. Which one he saw as more evil was an abstract question until we got a president who liked Nazis and hated taxing the rich, at which point Schwarzman became a major donor.
In the wake of the insurrection, when the business class was suddenly and briefly abandoning Trump, the Guardian reported on his prior support for Trump, and a Schwarzman spokesperson hilariously explained it was “purely about matters related to economic policy and trade, not politics.” It’s not that he’s immoral; he’s just amoral.
Arizona Democrats have been attacking Sinema as ignoring her constituents to cater instead to her superrich pals. This alliance is hardly going to dispel that line of attack.
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:clap:
I haven't thought about that crap bag since she became an independent. Frankly, if she didn't live in Arizona she could be a zombie reverse Manchin in a state like Minnesota, Oregon, or Maine.
I guess sys was right after all when he called me a moron in 2021 when I said she'd be primaried.
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I guess sys was right after all when he called me a moron in 2021 when I said she'd be primaried.
i definitely underestimated how small of a tent democrats are determined to be.
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I guess sys was right after all when he called me a moron in 2021 when I said she'd be primaried.
i definitely underestimated how small of a tent democrats are determined to be.
I'm not a democrat, so I don't want to be looked at as caping up for them, but did she do anything of note whatsoever that could be considered liberal? What good is it to have someone caucus with you who blocks important legislation and seems only passionate about protecting venture capitalists.
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I guess sys was right after all when he called me a moron in 2021 when I said she'd be primaried.
i definitely underestimated how small of a tent democrats are determined to be.
I'm not a democrat, so I don't want to be looked at as caping up for them, but did she do anything of note whatsoever that could be considered liberal? What good is it to have someone caucus with you who blocks important legislation and seems only passionate about protecting venture capitalists.
But you don't understand. She became personally wealthy in the process, and that's what matters.
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Sinema is like the most glaring example of lobbying in senate. She is going to get an enormous payday from Wall St if she gets primaried.
Biden caped up for credit card companies and delawares weird corporate friendly rules for years because he was from Delaware.
Are there even any hedge funds in Arizona?
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In a completely unsurprising revelation, Sinema is an egomaniac and confident in her abilities post-Senate to get paid for steadfastly protecting the interests of capital.
"I don't care. I can go on any board I want to. I can be a college president. I can do anything," she told Romney, according to the book. "I saved the Senate filibuster by myself. I saved the Senate by myself. That's good enough for me."
https://www.businessinsider.com/kyrsten-sinema-reelection-serve-any-board-mitt-romney-book-2023-10?op=1 (https://www.businessinsider.com/kyrsten-sinema-reelection-serve-any-board-mitt-romney-book-2023-10?op=1)
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So gross, just a bunch of grifters.
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In a completely unsurprising revelation, Sinema is an egomaniac and confident in her abilities post-Senate to get paid for steadfastly protecting the interests of capital.
"I don't care. I can go on any board I want to. I can be a college president. I can do anything," she told Romney, according to the book. "I saved the Senate filibuster by myself. I saved the Senate by myself. That's good enough for me."
https://www.businessinsider.com/kyrsten-sinema-reelection-serve-any-board-mitt-romney-book-2023-10?op=1 (https://www.businessinsider.com/kyrsten-sinema-reelection-serve-any-board-mitt-romney-book-2023-10?op=1)
what a bizarre and bad faith interpretation of a statement her saying that she voted as she thought was right and is at peace if there are negative electoral consequences for having done so.
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Sys. She said “I can get on any board I want”
What else does that mean besides I am going to get paid?
I hope Manchin gets pissed about it and we can have an ego death match over who sacrificed more for the filibuster.
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it means that she's not pretending that she'd be out on the streets and destitute if she were no longer employed as one of the 100 united states senators in the world.
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it means that she's not pretending that she'd be out on the streets and destitute if she were no longer employed as one of the 100 united states senators in the world.
What does that even mean?
Other than Fetterman I don’t know of any current or former senator that would be or even be mistaken for destitute.
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i don't understand what is even slightly confusing about what i wrote.
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I'm like 90% sys on this but still 10% kk
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Yea I don't get the outrage but maybe that means I have become part of the problem
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I guess I stand by my assessment of her and you do as well.
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Yea I don't get the outrage but maybe that means I have become part of the problem
There's no outrage, at all, there certainly shouldn't be. There should be extreme mockery of her delusions of grandeur about both her place in history and how much she'll be able to cash in on a largely forgettable short time in the senate. College president, lol. We had a four star general and the chairman of the joint chief of staff as the UP at one of the most public of universities in this country and he was grossly underqualified. She's been the least relevant and accomplished senator the last 4 years and is only know for being completely unpredictable.
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Yea I don't get the outrage but maybe that means I have become part of the problem
There's no outrage, at all, there certainly shouldn't be. There should be extreme mockery of her delusions of grandeur about both her place in history and how much she'll be able to cash in on a largely forgettable short time in the senate. College president, lol. We had a four star general and the chairman of the joint chief of staff as the UP at one of the most public of universities in this country and he was grossly underqualified. She's been the least relevant and accomplished senator the last 4 years and is only know for being completely unpredictable.
She's a narcisist. She's saved millions/billions for a lot of very rich people. She's set for life, her meals and travel will be taken care of for a long time.