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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: kim carnes on December 25, 2015, 05:28:13 PM
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We hired venables to be our next head football coach!!!
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Huh?
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Too much eggnog Fitz?
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You fellas read the board at all?
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Stupid thread. Seriously, threads like this just piss me off. :shakesfist:
Proof, damn it, proof.
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You want proof?
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Who had a KC post on their christmas list?
I know i didn't have a KC post on my christmas list.
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Who had a KC post on their christmas list?
I know i didn't have a KC post on my christmas list.
What is your deal bro?
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http://youtu.be/m9OSuy4e4HU
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BV baby
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You know, there's nothing better than Bette Davis Eyes.
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Who had a KC post on their christmas list?
I know i didn't have a KC post on my christmas list.
What is your deal bro?
Just raz'n ya, bro. Good to see you again
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Announcement is eminent
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I like this rumor the best.
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I like this rumor the best.
This is definitely the best rumor. Kim Carnes-1, Pissclams-0
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Announcement is eminent
It's inevenable
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Announcement is eminent
It's inevenable
/thread
:buh-bye:
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Les Vénables
Vive la Venzy
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:flush:
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Most of you already know this, but I'll post this again for some of the annual new-to-goEMAW-christmas-visitors we get. "Venables" is a village and commune of the Eure département in Haute-Normandie, France. The village dates back some 7,000 years.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5b/Venables_colline.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/58/Venables_eglise.jpg/230px-Venables_eglise.jpg)
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Most of you already know this, but I'll post this again for some of the annual new-to-goEMAW-christmas-visitors we get. "Venables" is a village and commune of the Eure département in Haute-Normandie, France. The village dates back some 7,000 years.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5b/Venables_colline.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/58/Venables_eglise.jpg/230px-Venables_eglise.jpg)
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Yep, and based on the pictures, it's everything I hoped it would be. Measures up to all the hype and anticipation.
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Was Julie looking at houses near Tuttle Creek? Possibly.
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Most of you already know this, but I'll post this again for some of the annual new-to-goEMAW-christmas-visitors we get. "Venables" is a village and commune of the Eure département in Haute-Normandie, France. The village dates back some 7,000 years.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5b/Venables_colline.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/58/Venables_eglise.jpg/230px-Venables_eglise.jpg)
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Yep, and based on the pictures, it's everything I hoped it would be. Measures up to all the hype and anticipation.
Hey, knock it off new guys. Your text goes outside of the quote blocks, all of them
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Bump. Venables mind is clearly somewhere else tonight.
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i'm guessing he's a little preoccupied on who ben is keeping around tonight (and Lace)
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Bump. Venables mind is clearly somewhere else tonight.
Does this not remind you of 1998 all over again? Spooky.
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Not getting much facetime.
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Not getting much facetime.
Good sign.
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He's already wearing emaw gear and ESPN is trying not to give it away, probably
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Bump. Venables mind is clearly somewhere else tonight.
Does this not remind you of 1998 all over again? Spooky.
Man, it just feels right...
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If I were to take a guess at what was going through Venzy's head after tonight's game, I'd say it was "I'll see you again in a few years Nick, when I'm coaching my alma mater to a title win over the tide..."
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If I were to take a guess at what was going through Venzy's head after tonight's game, I'd say it was "I'll see you again in a few years Nick, when I'm coaching my alma mater to a title win over the tide..."
Will take
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(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTD7NLuBbvzoou9XFPE6ekqlYnl53k3-obV1R36hjHISt-s-_XgnJfc5Q)
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I'm still jonesing to wake up one day in 2017 to hear this news
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I'm still jonesing to wake up one day in 2017 to hear this news
Horn dog. :crossfingers:
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Guess who's in town?!
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:D
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The time is now!
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:drool:
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Lock up your daughters
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back the truck up just a tick, is he in town on business or is this for personal reasons?
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http://www.nsuf.org/weekend.php (http://www.nsuf.org/weekend.php)
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back the truck up just a tick, is he in town on business or is this for personal reasons?
Why not both?
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No Stones Foundation. Sounds about right.
Royals aren't gonna win 'em all
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There is more to this story, B plus sources say
EMAWgasims in 2017
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If Brent Venebles is the head coach of the cats in 2017 I'll take back every bad thing I've ever said about John Currie and pretend the oscar Weber era never happened.
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The carrot on the end of a 1-2 yr long stick.
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If Brent Venebles is the head coach of the cats in 2017 I'll take back every bad thing I've ever said about John Currie and pretend the oscar Weber era never happened.
Ditto. Would be bygones.
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If Brent Venebles is the head coach of the cats in 2017 I'll take back every bad thing I've ever said about John Currie and pretend the oscar Weber era never happened.
Ditto. Would be bygones.
The Bridge
Water
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I'd heavily consider donating money at some point in my life if that happened
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If Brent Venebles is the head coach of the cats in 2017 I'll take back every bad thing I've ever said about John Currie and pretend the oscar Weber era never happened.
you'll have to pretend HARD with Bruth still on the sideline.
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I'd heavily consider donating money at some point in my life if that happened
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i'd get venzy's face tattooed on my face.
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I would get a mural tattooed on my back of the scene where the tattoo artists renders Venzy's face on bubble's face.
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I would have no need for pants, shorts, or underwear. Just dick out 100%.
Royals aren't gonna win 'em all
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I'd probably care about kstate football again
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I would have no need for pants, shorts, or underwear. Just dick out 100%.
Royals aren't gonna win 'em all
This!
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If Brent Venebles is the head coach of the cats in 2017 I'll take back every bad thing I've ever said about John Currie and pretend the oscar Weber era never happened.
you'll have to pretend HARD with Bruth still on the sideline.
I'll actively cheer for him and his merry band of chicken nugget ice cream eating band of misfits
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Just got off the phone with my most trusted source... it's happening.
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:Woot:
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it is time.
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I'm thrilled for this man. Thrilled.
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come home brent.
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Get your dicks out
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:worthless:
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Guys....
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He has to.
Come home.
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:worthless:
:lol:
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New California head football coach.
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New California head football coach.
Shut your pie hole.
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Kim is basically guaranteeing that it won't happen.
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Kim>>Trustworthy?
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He wants to see you upset, Pipe. Like, a lot.
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I don't think he'll be a good head coach but I'd love to see him come here and try.
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You think Venzy would keep rolling with the 16 goals or have his own "row the boat". Something like Ad Astra Per Salina
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New California head football coach.
Salina, KS -> Manhattan, KS -> Norman, OK -> Clemson, SC -> Berkley, CA. Seems logical :rolleyes:
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You think Venzy would keep rolling with the 16 goals or have his own "row the boat". Something like Ad Astra Per Salina
i've researched every thing about venzy and know for a fact that he would eliminate all the goals on day one faster than you can sing the salina south fight song. his motto is "goals are for losers, winners just win, so why have goals if you're a winner?"
pretty great tactical move distancing himself from "bill" snyder like that imo
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You think Venzy would keep rolling with the 16 goals or have his own "row the boat". Something like Ad Astra Per Salina
i've researched every thing about venzy and know for a fact that he would eliminate all the goals on day one faster than you can sing the salina south fight song. his motto is "goals are for losers, winners just win, so why have goals if you're a winner?"
pretty great tactical move distancing himself from "bill" snyder like that imo
This is all gospel.
PLUS, Venzy was the high bidder in a silent auction for "the binder" that was excavated during construction of the new vanier complex. He will simply copy the success that Prince had.
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lots of comedians itt
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Was told by an A- source that Venzy has a prett serious heart condition... could be the reason he's not been picked up as a HC? :dunno: Has this been talked about or heard from others?
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heart condition as in it bleeds purple?
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heart condition as in it bleeds purple?
Well that too... was just told it was some sort of "serious heart condition"... not a whole lot of extra info.
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heart condition as in it bleeds purple?
Well that too... was just told it was some sort of "serious heart condition"... not a whole lot of extra info.
seems like he's in the wrong profession then.
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I don't believe it. He would have died by now. I mean, he is animated and has coached in what.... 4 NC's now?
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Well our current coach could literally die on the sideline and I don't think anyone would be all that shocked so...
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it is time.
are you simply expressing your desire?
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it is time.
are you simply expressing your desire?
yes
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https://twitter.com/barstooltweetss/status/800140211460182016?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Guys, my source said he was joking, he's not coming.
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cant you picture BV blasting this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaQ5jZANSe8 on his first day on the job here :love:
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Guys, my source said he was joking, he's not coming.
Lol
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Does anyone have a GIF of Brent's Gatorade bath after shutting out Ohio State? :love:
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heart condition as in it bleeds purple?
Well that too... was just told it was some sort of "serious heart condition"... not a whole lot of extra info.
cocaine's a helluva drug
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]] (http://)http://www.espn.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/117863/ten-bold-predictions-for-the-big-12-in-2017http://
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Briles at Tech. Blech...
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That would confirm how losery they are
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Briles at Tech. Blech...
i don't see it. can't even get an oc interview this year. don't see how he turns around and ends up with a p 5 hc job next year.
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I can confirm the next head coach is Venables. I sat behind him on a Southwest flight yesterday. At first he denied being Brett, or even knowing who Brett Venables was, but I pushed him on it for 20-25 minutes. I kept saying I know who are, I want to know what your plan for the Wildcats. Finally he copped to it and I quote, "You're right, I am Brett Venables I am headed to Manhattan to be the next head coach. Now can I go back to my vendor cost analysis for my company?"
I figured that some of you would not believe me so I took a picture.
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lol
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Well, his name is Brent, not Brett, KSU95.
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that's jay bilas
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I'm sold. Welcome home Brentt.
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Scoops95
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it does look like him so I'm going with a maybe
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Note, I said a Southwest flight and I was sure to capture the SWA logo in the top left so you would have no reason to question my credibility.
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also seems reasonable that our guy would be an aisle guy
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I can confirm the next head coach is Venables. I sat behind him on a Southwest flight yesterday. At first he denied being Brett, or even knowing who Brett Venables was, but I pushed him on it for 20-25 minutes. I kept saying I know who are, I want to know what your plan for the Wildcats. Finally he copped to it and I quote, "You're right, I am Brett Venables I am headed to Manhattan to be the next head coach. Now can I go back to my vendor cost analysis for my company?"
I figured that some of you would not believe me so I took a picture.
:lol:
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I'd recognize those ears anywhere
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Ya, but who the hell is brett venables, can u tell us that?
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I LOL'd at my desk at work.....gonna get in trouble now. Thanks.
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The pic tells us that the Southwest Airlines part of the story is true....
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Brett Venables and Bert Weber, two B boarding group coaches
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Guys, keep this info from Fitz so he doesn't ruin it for us
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Guys, keep this info from Fitz so he doesn't ruin it for us
NO MATTER WHEN the news breaks, Fitz was the first to know and will let everyone know he has sat on the info for about 2 months. Choosing to disclose it.
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I can confirm the next head coach is Venables. I sat behind him on a Southwest flight yesterday. At first he denied being Brett, or even knowing who Brett Venables was, but I pushed him on it for 20-25 minutes. I kept saying I know who are, I want to know what your plan for the Wildcats. Finally he copped to it and I quote, "You're right, I am Brett Venables I am headed to Manhattan to be the next head coach. Now can I go back to my vendor cost analysis for my company?"
I figured that some of you would not believe me so I took a picture.
:lol:
post of the year candidate
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I can confirm the next head coach is Venables. I sat behind him on a Southwest flight yesterday. At first he denied being Brett, or even knowing who Brett Venables was, but I pushed him on it for 20-25 minutes. I kept saying I know who are, I want to know what your plan for the Wildcats. Finally he copped to it and I quote, "You're right, I am Brett Venables I am headed to Manhattan to be the next head coach. Now can I go back to my vendor cost analysis for my company?"
I figured that some of you would not believe me so I took a picture.
:lol:
post of the year candidate
possible cassy? time will tell
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Wow :lol:
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Common mistake.
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amaze
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I like when said he pressed him for 20-25 min. zeal.
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Sigh...
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He rocked those Sansabelt Coaching Pants! :love: :love: :love:
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need that shirt bad
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need that shirt bad
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need that shirt bad
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I third this motion
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https://twitter.com/Riley_Gates/status/887773228009213953 (https://twitter.com/Riley_Gates/status/887773228009213953)
Venzy making sure he coaches in a stadium that has his name on it, too
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Outstanding first post.
I doubt we hear any noise though until the season gets closer to ending.
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Would be an easy change-just changing the "S" to "V". I could go for the BVFS.
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Proud of Brent for normal child names
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Proud of Brent for normal child names
laney and addie are pushing it
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Hit the crossbar but bounced in
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Anyone seen the post on possible new Uni's? Apparently D.Scott posted in the "far too expensive" gopowercat boards..... :Wha:
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Jake and Tyler are like the most perfect bro names. Imagine the horsing around those two get into at the dinner table and how frustrated Julie gets
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https://twitter.com/Riley_Gates/status/887773228009213953 (https://twitter.com/Riley_Gates/status/887773228009213953)
Venzy making sure he coaches in a stadium that has his name on it, too
This could have legs. :billdance:
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Lon Kruger donated tons of money to the basketball training facility, i don't think Brent donating some money for a brick means anything at all.
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Lon Kruger donated tons of money to the basketball training facility, i don't think Brent donating some money for a brick means anything at all.
Well, no thanks for your input Mr. Negative
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i just will not allow myself to get sucked into the hope of Venzy coming home. i apologize for raining on that parade for others.
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i just will not allow myself to get sucked into the hope of Venzy coming home. i apologize for raining on that parade for others.
I'm giving it a better chance now rather than when Tennessee John was still calling the shots. Agree?
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i just will not allow myself to get sucked into the hope of Venzy coming home. i apologize for raining on that parade for others.
Although my heart does skip a beat whenever I see this thread at the top of the list.
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i just will not allow myself to get sucked into the hope of Venzy coming home. i apologize for raining on that parade for others.
I'm giving it a better chance now rather than when Tennessee John was still calling the shots. Agree?
meh i guess. I wouldn't think it is any substantially great chance but who knows.
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Just listened to a podcast:
http://collegefootball.ap.org/article/podcast-bill-snyder-and-big-12
Ubben's go to is what has already been previously stated numerous times about how if Snyder were to retire and force Sean the job it'd be this last month and half before the season. What are the chances Snyder retires in August?
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Thanks for reading gE ubbs!
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Just listened to a podcast:
http://collegefootball.ap.org/article/podcast-bill-snyder-and-big-12
Ubben's go to is what has already been previously stated numerous times about how if Snyder were to retire and force Sean the job it'd be this last month and half before the season. What are the chances Snyder retires in August?
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Honestly i dont see Snyder pulling this move. It just generally goes against his mantras of consistency and focus. It would be incredibly disruptive to pull that move right as fall camp is starting. Besides, i think he really likes this team and wants to coach it.
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Short-round is still doing podcasts? I'm surprised he still has an audience. I quit following him not too long after his departure from E$ecPN
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His most loyal audience member is @Dlew12
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Short-round is still doing podcasts? I'm surprised he still has an audience. I quit following him not too long after his departure from E$ecPN
Don't ever type that again.
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Can't wait for the "where were you when Snyder retired and handed the keys to Sean" thread which is gonna start in the next month.
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Can't wait for the "where were you when Snyder retired and handed the keys to Sean" thread which is gonna start in the next month.
:runaway:
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i'm almost to the point where i've come to terms with Sean and i'm not that scared about it anymore
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i'm almost to the point where i've come to terms with Sean and i'm not that scared about it anymore
This.
Over the last few years, I've actually convinced myself that Sean will be good.
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i'm almost to the point where i've come to terms with Sean and i'm not that scared about it anymore
This.
Over the last few years, I've actually convinced myself that Sean will be good.
This is accurate
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i'm almost to the point where i've come to terms with Sean and i'm not that scared about it anymore
This.
Over the last few years, I've actually convinced myself that Sean will be good.
This is accurate
:buh-bye:
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Well, Sean won't be very good.
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Lots of Stockholm syndrome going on in here.
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Mods - please change the name of this thread to "It's NOT Venables"
Thanks
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I'll go on record and say I actually want Sean to get the job.
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I'm kinda eh, either way at this point. If we can survive a Ron Prince-ing, we can survive whatever Sean throws at us.
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Snyders....how far have you went before getting a new one?
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I'm kinda eh, either way at this point. If we can survive a Ron Prince-ing, we can survive whatever Sean throws at us.
except we wouldn't fire him after 3 seasons.
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Maybe 4 years then?
Texas Tech Red Raiders (Big 12 Conference) (2008–2011)
2007–08 Texas Tech 4–7* 4–6 T–7th
2008–09 Texas Tech 14–19 3–13 11th
2009–10 Texas Tech 19–16 4–12 T–9th NIT Quarterfinals
2010–11 Texas Tech 13–19 5–11 T–10th
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not comparable wackster
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pretty sure if we're in the bottom 4 teams for 3 years in a row, people will be ready to move on. by that time Venzy might be ready to come calm the waters
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pretty sure if we're in the bottom 4 teams for 3 years in a row, people will be ready to move on. by that time Venzy might be ready to come calm the waters
Yeah, I'm sure he would be willing to come coach a program that has been depleted of all talent just 3 years after turning down the job when he could have inherited a conference contender.
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pretty sure if we're in the bottom 4 teams for 3 years in a row, people will be ready to move on. by that time Venzy might be ready to come calm the waters
Yeah, I'm sure he would be willing to come coach a program that has been depleted of all talent just 3 years after turning down the job when he could have inherited a conference contender.
I can't imagine reacting to events that have not yet transpired and may never occur. Must be exhausting
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I can't really think of too many coaches who've handed over gigs to their sons. Most that come to mind are basketball. TTech, Georgetown, etc.
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I can't really think of too many coaches who've handed over gigs to their sons. Most that come to mind are basketball. TTech, Georgetown, etc.
Both examples here had shittastic results.
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OSU did it, too. Also a terrible result.
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I wouldn't be surprised that at minimum HCBS spends most of the season in the press box.
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OSU did it, too. Also a terrible result.
Sean has more experience than nearly all of those dudes combined.
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Beating KU and flirting with bowl eligibility is all HC SS needs to stay employed but if he adds a DoD 1.0 stud or two the staff I will be fully tucked
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If Sean was good someone would have wanted him to coach elsewhere for their team.
Does anyone know if he's ever even received any calls about going elsewhere?
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why would he take calls if he's gonna get handed a P5 job?
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why would he take calls if he's gonna get handed a P5 job?
This. We've been down this road before.
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I can't really think of too many coaches who've handed over gigs to their sons. Most that come to mind are basketball. TTech, Georgetown, etc.
Is oscar handing over the job to one of his daughters or am I missing something here?
He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!
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If Sean was good someone would have wanted him to coach elsewhere for their team.
Does anyone know if he's ever even received any calls about going elsewhere?
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Couldn't you say the same about Venables?
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I can't really think of too many coaches who've handed over gigs to their sons. Most that come to mind are basketball. TTech, Georgetown, etc.
Is oscar handing over the job to one of his daughters or am I missing something here?
He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!
No, he's too selfish to give us that.
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https://twitter.com/CollegeGameDay/status/926820595576082432
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He's strong. He's wiry, very twitched up.
:love: that's what I want my football coach and team to be
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was wondering wtf that was and who was going to make a gif of it.
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How many sideline warnings would we get if he became HC? :surprised:
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Beats the hell out of delay of game penalties.
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https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/926950019097296896
who TF would text a writer to bitch about that?
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Tbh I think it's kinda stupid too
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Clemson and Dabo is pretty gross.
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Tbh I think it's kinda stupid too
I really don't want this to turn into Sean v. Brent round 385. However, nothing about needing to be contained by a strength coach, as a 47 year old man, screams CEO of a program.
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Should just put a toddler leash on him instead of stretching out his shirts
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It's pretty obvious he has no desire to be a program CEO
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How anyone could possibly care about this is beyond me.
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He’s “contained” because his boss deems it so. He’s like one step on the field and that dork is pulling him back.
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If there's one thing we learned from the Frank era is that's KSU and its sports success is above sideline histrionics.
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Well oscar seems to have a similar problem
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omg. Someone do a photoshop thingy on the video where they put Oscar's head on Venzy's body as big strength guy pulls him back. Add chicken nuggets and other Oscar'y stuff too.
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@brucefreek
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https://twitter.com/cjzero/status/928460476916424704
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Being talked about for the arkansas job... :jerk:
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We're going to eff this up. Just deal with it.
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If Venables doesn't get a job this off season, he's never getting one.
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If he gets a kick ass job he'll never come back home. We're getting Sean.
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I like Venebles, and I am rooting for him as a human to just keep making $1M+ a year as a DC without the hell of being on stage 24-7 as a HC.
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If Venables doesn't get a job this off season, he's never getting one.
I've heard there are more than two or three college football coaches out there, not sure about that though.
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Did you just reply to yourself?
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LOL yeah, munsoned the quote function, I obviously meant to quote you
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I like Venebles, and I am rooting for him as a human to just keep making $1M+ a year as a DC without the hell of being on stage 24-7 as a HC.
Winning a 2nd NC and seeing your asking price go to somewhere between $4+M and $7+M can make a lot of hell tolerable.
I'm afraid that at some point soon, if we've not already reached it, we've priced ourselves right out of the market for him.
But on the upside, Schiano's probably available at a good price. Might even be willing to take a defensive position coaches job first. Hmmmm?
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I like Venebles, and I am rooting for him as a human to just keep making $1M+ a year as a DC without the hell of being on stage 24-7 as a HC.
Winning a 2nd NC and seeing your asking price go to somewhere between $4+M and $7+M can make a lot of hell tolerable.
I'm afraid that at some point soon, if we've not already reached it, we've priced ourselves right out of the market for him.
But on the upside, Schiano's probably available at a good price. Might even be willing to take a defensive position coaches job first. Hmmmm?
Brent, no one is going to pay you that much, don't be silly. Also how do you not know Schiano is Ohio State's DC, don't you guys have meetings or something?
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I like Venebles, and I am rooting for him as a human to just keep making $1M+ a year as a DC without the hell of being on stage 24-7 as a HC.
Winning a 2nd NC and seeing your asking price go to somewhere between $4+M and $7+M can make a lot of hell tolerable.
I'm afraid that at some point soon, if we've not already reached it, we've priced ourselves right out of the market for him.
But on the upside, Schiano's probably available at a good price. Might even be willing to take a defensive position coaches job first. Hmmmm?
Brent, no one is going to pay you that much, don't be silly. Also how do you not know Schiano is Ohio State's DC, don't you guys have meetings or something?
Rumor has it that he was the one with the camera. He'll be available to anyone soon enough.
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I like Venebles, and I am rooting for him as a human to just keep making $1M+ a year as a DC without the hell of being on stage 24-7 as a HC.
I mean, that kind of makes sense, but a desperate program will pay him $3-5 million a year and will include a sweet buyout. Keep doing the DC thing for 20 years or go through hell for 5 years or so and make the same amount of money.
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Is this what Bill is waiting for to retire? If Brent is off the table and we've made to look like fools with Leavitt, Sean will get the HC job?
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Is this what Bill is waiting for to retire? If Brent is off the table and we've made to look like fools with Leavitt, Sean will get the HC job?
Evidently so.
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If he gets a kick ass job he'll never come back home. We're getting Sean.
Is this what Bill is waiting for to retire? If Brent is off the table and we've made to look like fools with Leavitt, Sean will get the HC job?
Let me try this again
I've heard there are more than two or three college football coaches out there, not sure about that though.
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Let me try this again
I've heard there are more than two or three college football coaches out there, not sure about that though.
The funny thing is, even a few weeks ago when the program seemed like a total crap storm, people still talked about just those names because of K-State ties.
Why the hell does no one want to branch out of the Snyder tree for a complete culture change? (I actually believe Venzy would bring that, I feel Sean and Leavitt would keep most of the staff and it would be status quo until they fail)
Is it as simple as our dumbass fan base responding with, "Ron Prince"?
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Let me try this again
I've heard there are more than two or three college football coaches out there, not sure about that though.
The funny thing is, even a few weeks ago when the program seemed like a total crap storm, people still talked about just those names because of K-State ties.
Why the hell does no one want to branch out of the Snyder tree for a complete culture change? (I actually believe Venzy would bring that, I feel Sean and Leavitt would keep most of the staff and it would be status quo until they fail)
Is it as simple as our dumbass fan base responding with, "Ron Prince"?
I'm not what the basis for your opinion regarding Leavitt's (or sean's) staff.
But I think a huge portion of our fanbase believes what Snyder did here was "special" and acknowledge that K-State's HC position presents unique challenges (mostly due to real or perceived recruiting difficulties). To that end, they would prefer someone with Snyder ties who has at least a modicum of first hand experience of "what it takes to win at K-State."
I don't really think that's a "dumbass" point of view. Especially when we have a number of very qualified guys who fit that description.
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Prince also scared a few people for sure, but it’s probably mostly selection bias. Fans like to point at success stories like Patterson, Venables, and Stoops from Snyder and Underwood for Martin as if it is a miss whenever they get away and an opportunity for success in the future if we are able to re-catch them before another major program does.
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Let me try this again
I've heard there are more than two or three college football coaches out there, not sure about that though.
The funny thing is, even a few weeks ago when the program seemed like a total crap storm, people still talked about just those names because of K-State ties.
Why the hell does no one want to branch out of the Snyder tree for a complete culture change? (I actually believe Venzy would bring that, I feel Sean and Leavitt would keep most of the staff and it would be status quo until they fail)
Is it as simple as our dumbass fan base responding with, "Ron Prince"?
I'm not what the basis for your opinion regarding Leavitt's (or sean's) staff.
But I think a huge portion of our fanbase believes what Snyder did here was "special" and acknowledge that K-State's HC position presents unique challenges (mostly due to real or perceived recruiting difficulties). To that end, they would prefer someone with Snyder ties who has at least a modicum of first hand experience of "what it takes to win at K-State."
I don't really think that's a "dumbass" point of view. Especially when we have a number of very qualified guys who fit that description.
I mean, you're definitely right. Leavitt and Brent are qualified, and I think you make Venzy say no first before truly starting an open national search. But I feel like most of our fans automatically default to Leavitt or Sean because of the "knows what it takes to win at K-State" quality, before even being open to giving someone else a chance.
I guess I just have a distorted view of the K-State job and actually think Bill himself has removed most of the deficiencies people talk about with the K-State job. And that opens it up to many many other great candidates outside of his own tree that our fans (and hell, maybe even admin) would overlook/not even give a look. Which I think is a huge mistake (dumbass point of view is probably the wrong term)
Probably doesn't even matter though, I'm an idiot and probably won't even be able to work a computer by the time Snyder actually decides to retire and there's an opening.
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Let me try this again
I've heard there are more than two or three college football coaches out there, not sure about that though.
The funny thing is, even a few weeks ago when the program seemed like a total crap storm, people still talked about just those names because of K-State ties.
Why the hell does no one want to branch out of the Snyder tree for a complete culture change? (I actually believe Venzy would bring that, I feel Sean and Leavitt would keep most of the staff and it would be status quo until they fail)
Is it as simple as our dumbass fan base responding with, "Ron Prince"?
I'm not what the basis for your opinion regarding Leavitt's (or sean's) staff.
But I think a huge portion of our fanbase believes what Snyder did here was "special" and acknowledge that K-State's HC position presents unique challenges (mostly due to real or perceived recruiting difficulties). To that end, they would prefer someone with Snyder ties who has at least a modicum of first hand experience of "what it takes to win at K-State."
I don't really think that's a "dumbass" point of view. Especially when we have a number of very qualified guys who fit that description.
You make some very broad assumptions that I just don't think are true. Unless you can prove otherwise.
1. If it's only perceived and not reality (i.e. recruiting), then it's not so much a problem with the program as it is a problem with and for the individual. There are other reasons besides Manhattan that keeps us from getting a larger pool of "better" recruits to attend KSU.
2. You are absolutely correct that a "huge" portion of our fan base (you should have mentioned a huge portion of the college football community in general) believes that what HCBS has accomplished at KSU is special but you cannot, without some statistical data to back your argument up, state that that same "huge" percentage would prefer someone with Snyder ties who has at least a modicum of first hand experience of "what it takes to win at K-State."
Lastly, outside of Leavitt and Venables, who are the remainder of the "number" that qualify under your criteria and that we'd actually hire? Patterson, Stoops, Mangino, Bennett? Nope, nope, nope and nope. What else you got?
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Let me try this again
I've heard there are more than two or three college football coaches out there, not sure about that though.
The funny thing is, even a few weeks ago when the program seemed like a total crap storm, people still talked about just those names because of K-State ties.
Why the hell does no one want to branch out of the Snyder tree for a complete culture change? (I actually believe Venzy would bring that, I feel Sean and Leavitt would keep most of the staff and it would be status quo until they fail)
Is it as simple as our dumbass fan base responding with, "Ron Prince"?
I'm not what the basis for your opinion regarding Leavitt's (or sean's) staff.
But I think a huge portion of our fanbase believes what Snyder did here was "special" and acknowledge that K-State's HC position presents unique challenges (mostly due to real or perceived recruiting difficulties). To that end, they would prefer someone with Snyder ties who has at least a modicum of first hand experience of "what it takes to win at K-State."
I don't really think that's a "dumbass" point of view. Especially when we have a number of very qualified guys who fit that description.
I mean, you're definitely right. Leavitt and Brent are qualified, and I think you make Venzy say no first before truly starting an open national search. But I feel like most of our fans automatically default to Leavitt or Sean because of the "knows what it takes to win at K-State" quality, before even being open to giving someone else a chance.
I guess I just have a distorted view of the K-State job and actually think Bill himself has removed most of the deficiencies people talk about with the K-State job. And that opens it up to many many other great candidates outside of his own tree that our fans (and hell, maybe even admin) would overlook/not even give a look. Which I think is a huge mistake (dumbass point of view is probably the wrong term)
Probably doesn't even matter though, I'm an idiot and probably won't even be able to work a computer by the time Snyder actually decides to retire and there's an opening.
It's not dumb, it's just lazy and 98% of college football fans don't really follow programs outside of their own so they don't know what's out there. And I completely agree with you that K-State is a completely different job than it was even in 2009. When Snyder came back we were still at a decided resource disadvantage, we don't have that anymore. The gap between college football haves and have nots is smaller than it ever has been and continuing to shrink. Now there is a small group of college football elite then everyone else.
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nothing snyder can do or has done is going to change our flyover town into a beautiful place like tuscaloosa
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nothing snyder can do or has done is going to change our flyover town into a beautiful place like tuscaloosa
:D
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You make some very broad assumptions that I just don't think are true. Unless you can prove otherwise.
1. If it's only perceived and not reality (i.e. recruiting), then it's not so much a problem with the program as it is a problem with and for the individual. There are other reasons besides Manhattan that keeps us from getting a larger pool of "better" recruits to attend KSU.
2. You are absolutely correct that a "huge" portion of our fan base (you should have mentioned a huge portion of the college football community in general) believes that what HCBS has accomplished at KSU is special but you cannot, without some statistical data to back your argument up, state that that same "huge" percentage would prefer someone with Snyder ties who has at least a modicum of first hand experience of "what it takes to win at K-State."
Lastly, outside of Leavitt and Venables, who are the remainder of the "number" that qualify under your criteria and that we'd actually hire? Patterson, Stoops, Mangino, Bennett? Nope, nope, nope and nope. What else you got?
1. Maybe i shouldn't have said "perceived," because I do think K-State is at an inherent disadvantage. I think the unique challenges at K-State have less to do with manhattan itself and more to do with its location. We don't have any natural recruiting territory. We don't border Texas like Oklahoma does. We don't have a monopoly on the KS jucos anymore. I think there are several reasons why K-State tends to finish near the bottom of the conference in recruiting, and I think Manhattan's location is among them (staff laziness is another fwiw). To that end, I think the deck is inherently stacked against K-State talent-wise relative to most of the rest of the conference. Do I think a dynamic recruiter could come in here and make some hay recruiting-wise despite MHK's location? Of course. That said, I don't think it's irrational to assume that K-State probably can't consistently rake in top 25 recruiting classes no matter who our head coach is. Therefore, the logic goes, we need to figure out some other way to compete at a top 25 level to make up for the recruiting deficiencies. Snyder figured out how to do that. I can understand how someone would want a prospective coach to have first hand knowledge of how Snyder did it.
2. I have no idea what your second point means.
To be clear, I'm not a Snyder Tree or Bust kind of guy. All else being equal, I'd prefer the coach to have ties here, but it's not a make or break for me. I think that guys like Leavitt, Venables, and (yes) Bielema make more sense than whoever the MAC flavor of the year coach is.
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Sean and Leavitt are pretty openly campaigning for the job so they get mentioned frequently. BV is available every off season and has ties. I think there are plenty of other candidates but it’s tough to throw names out until there is an opening. Fleck was one I liked but he had a six week lifespan until he was likely off the market.
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Has it been mentioned that Venables' son has been offered by Clemson (and Utah)? If son commits to Clemson, does BV stay at Clemson? Signing day IS a long ways away.
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Has it been mentioned that Venables' son has been offered by Clemson (and Utah)? If son commits to Clemson, does BV stay at Clemson? Signing day IS a long ways away.
His son is committed to Clemson already. If he signs during the early signing period in a few weeks, I think that would kind of confirm Brent's future plans to stay there. If he waits until the regular signing period in Feb, I'd say there might be a chance Venables could go somewhere else over the next two months... but who the hell knows with that guy.
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Has it been mentioned that Venables' son has been offered by Clemson (and Utah)? If son commits to Clemson, does BV stay at Clemson? Signing day IS a long ways away.
His son is committed to Clemson already. If he signs during the early signing period in a few weeks, I think that would kind of confirm Brent's future plans to stay there. If he waits until the regular signing period in Feb, I'd say there might be a chance Venables could go somewhere else over the next two months... but who the hell knows with that guy.
If his dad left and he wanted to follow him, Clemson would absolutely grant him a release.
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think Venzy has a boy already at Clemson playing and another that's in high school and just got offered there
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Let me try this again
I've heard there are more than two or three college football coaches out there, not sure about that though.
The funny thing is, even a few weeks ago when the program seemed like a total crap storm, people still talked about just those names because of K-State ties.
Why the hell does no one want to branch out of the Snyder tree for a complete culture change? (I actually believe Venzy would bring that, I feel Sean and Leavitt would keep most of the staff and it would be status quo until they fail)
Is it as simple as our dumbass fan base responding with, "Ron Prince"?
I'm not what the basis for your opinion regarding Leavitt's (or sean's) staff.
But I think a huge portion of our fanbase believes what Snyder did here was "special" and acknowledge that K-State's HC position presents unique challenges (mostly due to real or perceived recruiting difficulties). To that end, they would prefer someone with Snyder ties who has at least a modicum of first hand experience of "what it takes to win at K-State."
I don't really think that's a "dumbass" point of view. Especially when we have a number of very qualified guys who fit that description.
I mean, you're definitely right. Leavitt and Brent are qualified, and I think you make Venzy say no first before truly starting an open national search. But I feel like most of our fans automatically default to Leavitt or Sean because of the "knows what it takes to win at K-State" quality, before even being open to giving someone else a chance.
I guess I just have a distorted view of the K-State job and actually think Bill himself has removed most of the deficiencies people talk about with the K-State job. And that opens it up to many many other great candidates outside of his own tree that our fans (and hell, maybe even admin) would overlook/not even give a look. Which I think is a huge mistake (dumbass point of view is probably the wrong term)
Probably doesn't even matter though, I'm an idiot and probably won't even be able to work a computer by the time Snyder actually decides to retire and there's an opening.
It's not dumb, it's just lazy and 98% of college football fans don't really follow programs outside of their own so they don't know what's out there. And I completely agree with you that K-State is a completely different job than it was even in 2009. When Snyder came back we were still at a decided resource disadvantage, we don't have that anymore. The gap between college football haves and have nots is smaller than it ever has been and continuing to shrink. Now there is a small group of college football elite then everyone else.
Bama pays Saban over $11m per year. Lowest power 5 conference coach $1.6m. That's a pretty big gap. Median is probably around $3.5m, so a crap ton of P5 schools probably can't get approval to pay more than around $3m. This is a pretty big moat for the have's.
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Let me try this again
I've heard there are more than two or three college football coaches out there, not sure about that though.
The funny thing is, even a few weeks ago when the program seemed like a total crap storm, people still talked about just those names because of K-State ties.
Why the hell does no one want to branch out of the Snyder tree for a complete culture change? (I actually believe Venzy would bring that, I feel Sean and Leavitt would keep most of the staff and it would be status quo until they fail)
Is it as simple as our dumbass fan base responding with, "Ron Prince"?
I'm not what the basis for your opinion regarding Leavitt's (or sean's) staff.
But I think a huge portion of our fanbase believes what Snyder did here was "special" and acknowledge that K-State's HC position presents unique challenges (mostly due to real or perceived recruiting difficulties). To that end, they would prefer someone with Snyder ties who has at least a modicum of first hand experience of "what it takes to win at K-State."
I don't really think that's a "dumbass" point of view. Especially when we have a number of very qualified guys who fit that description.
I mean, you're definitely right. Leavitt and Brent are qualified, and I think you make Venzy say no first before truly starting an open national search. But I feel like most of our fans automatically default to Leavitt or Sean because of the "knows what it takes to win at K-State" quality, before even being open to giving someone else a chance.
I guess I just have a distorted view of the K-State job and actually think Bill himself has removed most of the deficiencies people talk about with the K-State job. And that opens it up to many many other great candidates outside of his own tree that our fans (and hell, maybe even admin) would overlook/not even give a look. Which I think is a huge mistake (dumbass point of view is probably the wrong term)
Probably doesn't even matter though, I'm an idiot and probably won't even be able to work a computer by the time Snyder actually decides to retire and there's an opening.
It's not dumb, it's just lazy and 98% of college football fans don't really follow programs outside of their own so they don't know what's out there. And I completely agree with you that K-State is a completely different job than it was even in 2009. When Snyder came back we were still at a decided resource disadvantage, we don't have that anymore. The gap between college football haves and have nots is smaller than it ever has been and continuing to shrink. Now there is a small group of college football elite then everyone else.
Bama pays Saban over $11m per year. Lowest power 5 conference coach $1.6m. That's a pretty big gap. Median is probably around $3.5m, so a crap ton of P5 schools probably can't get approval to pay more than around $3m. This is a pretty big moat for the have's.
Did you stop reading where you bolded? Alabama certainly is an elite program. There are no power 5 schools that can't pay a coach $3.5 million if they wanted to. Maybe Boston College and Wake, maybe but everyone else can, including Kansas.
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LOL...i actually did stop reading after the bolded part. my bad.
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WELP!
https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1019928885079805952
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welp? it means nothing. we will easily eclipse $2.32M per year with our HC offer. sources i talk to put our number closer to $4.5M per year
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I'm just curious about the payout. I also don't even think he's a real candidate for us anymore.
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I'm just curious about the payout. I also don't even think he's a real candidate for us anymore.
"Just as importantly, there's no buyout for Venables if he takes a head coaching job elsewhere. However, if Venables leaves for another assistant job, he will pay 25 percent of the remaining part of his deal. "
He may not be a real candidate, but that contract does absolutely nothing to change whether he was or still is.
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Fair. Still pretty impressive one of our guys is the highest paid assistant in the game. #RESPECT
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welp? it means nothing. we will easily eclipse $2.32M per year with our HC offer. sources i talk to put our number closer to $4.5M per year
Only $4.5M? Your sources stink bub because that's insulting. Why don't you read the thread about the East Coast donor who is ready to throw down gazillions when Snides gets his crap together.
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Bill knows that Venables is the #1 choice for next HC, not Sean. He's waiting for Venables to take HC job before he retires. It's not working out for Bill or Sean.
This deal for Venables at Clemson is actually good for us. He gets paid a crap-ton as DC so will only leave to be HC at his choice ( :ksu:) and he doesn't have a buyout, allowing us to use that "buyout" money for his HC contract.
*100% speculation and absolutley what I want.
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For the last couple years I've been dreaming of Venables as the next coach, but gave the dream up. Curious what others think about the possibility of Andre Coleman or Blake Seiler as the head coach in a couple years. If one of them kicks ass at O or D coordinator, I think I would be ok with either one.
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We have momentum. We can't afford take a chance, IMO. If we can put the money together to offer a coach $4-$5 mil a year like we can right now, we should make a (medium sized) splash after Bill.
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We have momentum. We can't afford take a chance, IMO. If we can put the money together to offer a coach $4-$5 mil a year like we can right now, we should make a (medium sized) splash after Bill.
We finished behind Iowa state last year
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Financial momentum.
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We have momentum. We can't afford take a chance, IMO. If we can put the money together to offer a coach $4-$5 mil a year like we can right now, we should make a (medium sized) splash after Bill.
We finished behind Iowa state last year
Ummm, we didn't https://www.ncaa.com/standings/football/fbs/big-12
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my mistake we def have momentum
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Not saying that, just never want to give that shitty school credit in anything. We also won head to head.
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who on earth would ever think we finished behind Iowa State? holy crap we could blow up the team and still finish ahead of that loser
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Pretty amazing to think that Iowa State is coming off of their best year ever and we still outperformed them in a down year.
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yeah finishing tied with iowa state in the standings usually means they caught some breaks and we fing sucked
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Bill knows that Venables is the #1 choice for next HC, not Sean. He's waiting for Venables to take HC job before he retires. It's not working out for Bill or Sean.
I'd be willing to bet at least half of K-State fans actually believe this. Bill is coaching because Bill wants to coach. It's pretty easy did him to set Sean up for the job without waiting for anyone else.
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The idea that Bill is making any decisions about his own football future based on rough ridin' Brent Venables is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)-o.
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Bill knows that Venables is the #1 choice for next HC, not Sean. He's waiting for Venables to take HC job before he retires. It's not working out for Bill or Sean.
I'd be willing to bet at least half of K-State fans actually believe this. Bill is coaching because Bill wants to coach. It's pretty easy did him to set Sean up for the job without waiting for anyone else.
One of the worst strategies Bill could take if he wanted Sean to take over would be to keep coaching as his health continues to deteriorate and he loses influence because he's close to death. An 80+ year old weak from cancer isn't going to have much influence over anything.
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Bill knows that Venables is the #1 choice for next HC, not Sean. He's waiting for Venables to take HC job before he retires. It's not working out for Bill or Sean.
I'd be willing to bet at least half of K-State fans actually believe this. Bill is coaching because Bill wants to coach. It's pretty easy did him to set Sean up for the job without waiting for anyone else.
One of the worst strategies Bill could take if he wanted Sean to take over would be to keep coaching as his health continues to deteriorate and he loses influence because he's close to death. An 80+ year old weak from cancer isn't going to have much influence over anything.
lol wut? Do you think Bill is like a Klingon and has to constantly fight off physical challenges to his head coaching position?
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the mustang was brought in to be the king’s hand
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Bill knows that Venables is the #1 choice for next HC, not Sean. He's waiting for Venables to take HC job before he retires. It's not working out for Bill or Sean.
I'd be willing to bet at least half of K-State fans actually believe this. Bill is coaching because Bill wants to coach. It's pretty easy did him to set Sean up for the job without waiting for anyone else.
One of the worst strategies Bill could take if he wanted Sean to take over would be to keep coaching as his health continues to deteriorate and he loses influence because he's close to death. An 80+ year old weak from cancer isn't going to have much influence over anything.
lol wut? Do you think Bill is like a Klingon and has to constantly fight off physical challenges to his head coaching position?
As Bill gets older & weaker, he'll have less influence because it will be known he won't be around. If he wanted to make a power play to install Sean, waiting isn't his best choice. Not to be too insensitive, but one of these off seasons the cancer, treatment he went through and age are going to catch up to him and before he knows it he'll be the quite, weak old guy shuffling around or in a wheel chair. When that happens, the amount people that are going to care about his opinion and worry about his influence is going to drastically drop. Right or wrong, the optics matter when someone in their 80s suddenly has their age catch up to them. If Bill truly wants Sean, he still has a lot of campaiging for it & people with influence to convince. Or retire in 6 weeks and pray Sean get the interim with 2 new coordinators & the team goes 8-4 or better.
I don't think it's about Sean anyway. It's not some grand plan. He's coaching because it's what he enjoys.
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Bill knows that Venables is the #1 choice for next HC, not Sean. He's waiting for Venables to take HC job before he retires. It's not working out for Bill or Sean.
I'd be willing to bet at least half of K-State fans actually believe this. Bill is coaching because Bill wants to coach. It's pretty easy did him to set Sean up for the job without waiting for anyone else.
One of the worst strategies Bill could take if he wanted Sean to take over would be to keep coaching as his health continues to deteriorate and he loses influence because he's close to death. An 80+ year old weak from cancer isn't going to have much influence over anything.
lol wut? Do you think Bill is like a Klingon and has to constantly fight off physical challenges to his head coaching position?
As Bill gets older & weaker, he'll have less influence because it will be known he won't be around. If he wanted to make a power play to install Sean, waiting isn't his best choice. Not to be too insensitive, but one of these off seasons the cancer, treatment he went through and age are going to catch up to him and before he knows it he'll be the quite, weak old guy shuffling around or in a wheel chair. When that happens, the amount people that are going to care about his opinion and worry about his influence is going to drastically drop. Right or wrong, the optics matter when someone in their 80s suddenly has their age catch up to them. If Bill truly wants Sean, he still has a lot of campaiging for it & people with influence to convince. Or retire in 6 weeks and pray Sean get the interim with 2 new coordinators & the team goes 8-4 or better.
I don't think it's about Sean anyway. It's not some grand plan. He's coaching because it's what he enjoys.
Yeah “LHC Bill Snyder’s Dying Wish” media coverage wont be persuasive at all.
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