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Title: No trust on offense
Post by: CHONGS on September 17, 2022, 10:05:58 PM
it just oozes all over the field.

Deuce doesn't trust his oline to actually make the block or finish the play.

AM doesn't trust the WRs to make the right read and run the right routes.

The WRs don't trust AM can actually get them the ball.

It's a full disaster. Disorganized.

OC is clearly not ready for the position.
Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: nicname on September 17, 2022, 10:07:41 PM
Oof. Give more credit to deuce and oline, but yeah
Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 17, 2022, 10:10:40 PM
CK didn’t have a clue today. 


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Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: CHONGS on September 17, 2022, 10:11:14 PM
I love Deuce, but you can see the pressure he's putting on himself to score a TD every play or that he knows he's going to need to dodge getting hit 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage because yet another block was missed or OL got trucked.
Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: MakeItRain on September 18, 2022, 01:28:40 AM
You're overthinking this, bud. The deuce and we stuff is fan fiction. It isn't nearly close to that deep.
Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: SkinnyBenny on September 18, 2022, 08:04:22 AM
It honestly felt like CK was prioritizing keeping Deuce's 100-yard consecutive game streak alive over play calling that could actually win us games. I don't know how many times he handed off to Deuce but it was a disaster every time except, I think, twice when Deuce broke off for around 20-30 yards. I haven't seen the stats but I'm sure Giddens was averaging more ypc than Vaughn.

I'm sure CK was just unimaginative at play calling but I'm convincing myself he was calling those crap plays because he was just trying to keep Deuce's record alive.

Also how in the hell were we not putting Adrian under center during 4th and 1 after 4th and 1? Echoes of the Ron Prince era.
Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: muqluk on September 18, 2022, 08:28:20 AM
9AM has got the yips - badly.

He should be benched - but we (I guess?) don’t have anybody else that’s developed enough to take over. That’s a bigger concern to me that chasing a stat line for a record.
Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: wetwillie on September 18, 2022, 08:41:38 AM
It honestly felt like CK was prioritizing keeping Deuce's 100-yard consecutive game streak alive over play calling that could actually win us games. I don't know how many times he handed off to Deuce but it was a disaster every time except, I think, twice when Deuce broke off for around 20-30 yards. I haven't seen the stats but I'm sure Giddens was averaging more ypc than Vaughn.

I'm sure CK was just unimaginative at play calling but I'm convincing myself he was calling those crap plays because he was just trying to keep Deuce's record alive.

Also how in the hell were we not putting Adrian under center during 4th and 1 after 4th and 1? Echoes of the Ron Prince era.

4 ypc Vaughn
5 ypc Giddens







Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: MakeItRain on September 18, 2022, 09:33:44 AM
It honestly felt like CK was prioritizing keeping Deuce's 100-yard consecutive game streak alive over play calling that could actually win us games. I don't know how many times he handed off to Deuce but it was a disaster every time except, I think, twice when Deuce broke off for around 20-30 yards. I haven't seen the stats but I'm sure Giddens was averaging more ypc than Vaughn.

I'm sure CK was just unimaginative at play calling but I'm convincing myself he was calling those crap plays because he was just trying to keep Deuce's record alive.

Also how in the hell were we not putting Adrian under center during 4th and 1 after 4th and 1? Echoes of the Ron Prince era.

He kept handing it off to one of the best running backs in college football and by far our best player and best option for a game breaking play.

The Adrian from the shotgun is stunning and very surprising from Klein, the human battering ram on short line to gain situations. The dude must still be hurt.
Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: Pete on September 18, 2022, 10:45:15 AM
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Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: Katpappy on September 18, 2022, 10:52:01 AM
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Is he practicing his prose for his offer of grads to Tulane's coach?
Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: CHONGS on September 18, 2022, 11:03:44 AM
Thats a rough photo, but man Chris has aged a lot over the past three plus years...
Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 18, 2022, 11:07:14 AM
Thats a rough photo, but man Chris has aged a lot over the past three plus years...

Being incredibly mediocre and below average will do that.
Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: pissclams on September 18, 2022, 11:13:52 AM
the only thing that we learned in week three is that we haven’t pounded the stone hard enough
Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: Cire on September 18, 2022, 11:19:33 AM
Martinez just refuses to throw down the field


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Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: Pete on September 18, 2022, 11:22:55 AM
the only thing that we learned in week three is that we haven’t pounded the stone hard enough
Yep
Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: Pete on September 18, 2022, 11:24:34 AM
the only thing that we learned in week three is that we haven’t pounded the stone hard enough
Yep
My guess is that he was told not to, or at least “no turnovers.” I agree with that, actually.  He is not good enough to get away with turn overs.
Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 18, 2022, 11:35:37 AM
They definitely know he sucks at throwing and told him to stop but they also need to run him into the ground due to said sucking.
Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: yoga-like_abana on September 18, 2022, 12:40:49 PM
How about that absolute dime he threw to Warner for a TD? Is he short arming throws on those short wide open routes? They are comically bad
Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: MakeItRain on September 18, 2022, 01:03:22 PM
How about that absolute dime he threw to Warner for a TD? Is he short arming throws on those short wide open routes? They are comically bad

I've thought a lot about that pass and I think he was comfortable with that pass because it had a slim chance to get picked because it was at the back pylon
Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: Cire on September 18, 2022, 01:30:55 PM
He also knows Kade

Maybe he just doesn’t trust Knowles et all to come down with the ball


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Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: PandaXpanda on September 18, 2022, 01:40:47 PM
Some of the people around our seats were talking about Malik getting into it with AM later in 2nd half. I didn't see it. Did that happen?
Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: Dr. Fausto Rindón on September 18, 2022, 01:49:21 PM
Some of the people around our seats were talking about Malik getting into it with AM later in 2nd half. I didn't see it. Did that happen?
Yes.  He (among others) was obviously frustrated and finally separated from the area by a coach.  Nothing beyond what you’d expect from teammates during a game like yesterday’s.


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Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: MakeItRain on September 18, 2022, 02:08:12 PM
He also knows Kade

Maybe he just doesn’t trust Knowles et all to come down with the ball


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If he's thinking about that while he's in the pocket, then he really does need a shrink. Warner caught 30 passes in 3 years and only 5 his last year at Nebraska.
Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: yoga-like_abana on September 18, 2022, 02:14:10 PM
Defense and special teams will keep us in some games but QB and kicking game are going to lose us a lot more
Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: cfbandyman on September 18, 2022, 02:16:39 PM
Defense and special teams will keep us in some games but QB and kicking game are going to lose us a lot more

100%, it's going to be that, if Tennant can be a lil better that'll solve one problem, but 9AM has to, I mean has to, be several steps better
Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: MakeItRain on September 18, 2022, 02:52:08 PM
People are very much overreacting to Tenant, he's fine. Martin, as a freshman and sophomore missed 4 extra points and 6 field goals
Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: Cire on September 18, 2022, 03:11:42 PM
He also knows Kade

Maybe he just doesn’t trust Knowles et all to come down with the ball


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If he's thinking about that while he's in the pocket, then he really does need a shrink. Warner caught 30 passes in 3 years and only 5 his last year at Nebraska.
You don’t think qb’s have guys that they know and trust?


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Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: Katpappy on September 18, 2022, 03:31:48 PM
Hopefully, the OC gets over AM and puts Rubley in against OU.  Even Oregan put their stud freshman in the 3rd Q vs BYU.  We need to set AM on the bench and get this kid in the game, or our season is over.
Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: OK_Cat on September 18, 2022, 03:52:46 PM
Yeah, definitely will be saved by a kid we’ve never seen play.

It doesn’t matter if we trot out Tom Brady, we are going to have a long season if sketti brains doesn’t change his play calling


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Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: HugeCat on September 18, 2022, 05:45:22 PM
Mohamed F. Tits! Losing brings out all the stupid
Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: MakeItRain on September 18, 2022, 06:26:23 PM
He also knows Kade

Maybe he just doesn’t trust Knowles et all to come down with the ball


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If he's thinking about that while he's in the pocket, then he really does need a shrink. Warner caught 30 passes in 3 years and only 5 his last year at Nebraska.
You don’t think qb’s have guys that they know and trust?


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Sure. But, to me, it would be weird for Werner to be a favorite given just how little he's thrown to him in games, they spent a year apart, and he's at best the third WR target here, would be weird. You might be right tho, who knows
Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: TheHamburglar on September 18, 2022, 06:46:27 PM
I don’t think Warner is his favorite. I think Warner is the 3rd WR so he runs the safety valve routes that AM likes to throw to & also the WR screen type routes.
Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: nicname on September 18, 2022, 07:04:53 PM
I don’t think Warner is his favorite. I think Warner is the 3rd WR so he runs the safety valve routes that AM likes to throw to & also the WR screen type routes.
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Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: Kid In the Hall on September 18, 2022, 09:52:57 PM
What was weird yesterday was us running those motion plays for Warner. I mean, nice kid and all, but he's clearly the least athletic WR we have. Why we ran those plays for Warner (vs. Knowles/Brooks, etc.) is bizarre to me. Maybe they were trying to setup something else that never came to fruition, but even then - get the ball in the hands of your most dynamic playmakers.
Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: MakeItRain on September 18, 2022, 09:55:40 PM
We did quite a few for Knowles and Brooks too. We kept running those, I thought we were setting something else up. Nope.
Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: michigancat on September 18, 2022, 10:05:16 PM
I don't think it's clear Warner is the "least athletic" WR. He might not be the fastest but he's really good at YAC and definitely seems to do more in space on offense than Brooks at least. However, he is white.
Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: Kid In the Hall on September 18, 2022, 10:16:05 PM
I don't think it's clear Warner is the "least athletic" WR. He might not be the fastest but he's really good at YAC and definitely seems to do more in space on offense than Brooks at least. However, he is white.
Will just have to agree to disagree on Brooks vs. Warner in space (do agree on the white part though).
Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: MakeItRain on September 18, 2022, 10:16:31 PM
To be fair Brooks and Knowles are on the return units, probably a good indicator of what the coaches think about the athleticism of three.
Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: michigancat on September 18, 2022, 10:18:09 PM
To be fair Brooks and Knowles are on the return units, probably a good indicator of what the coaches think about the athleticism of three.
Different kinds of athleticism, Deuce isn't returning kicks either. (I know Warner is nothing like Deuce).
Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: Cire on September 19, 2022, 06:45:20 AM
There was a jet that looked like Knowles had all kinds of room but AM kept it on the qb power and it gained nothing.


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Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: wetwillie on September 19, 2022, 07:14:14 AM
Other than straight line speed and lateral quickness I agree Warner isn’t too far behind the other two.
Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: MakeItRain on September 19, 2022, 02:18:46 PM
There's no doubt as to has the best hands of the three
Title: Re: No trust on offense
Post by: Trim on September 19, 2022, 10:33:05 PM
POST THE WHOLE EDITORIAL, KK.

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FROM THE PUBLISHER | Even Collin Klein
Ned Seaton [email protected]

Before this K-State football season started, Collin Klein could do no wrong. I knew then that he was doomed.

The moment of conversion arrived late Saturday, when Klein went from Most Popular Guy in Town to “garbage” or even “idiot.” It would be astonishing — considering he’s a local hero — if it weren’t so easy to predict.

https://themercury.com/opinion/from-the-publisher-even-collin-klein/article_859ac67b-5506-5180-b453-c86aa84182ba.html