Fire Chris Klieman

[MakeItRain]

What does a staff payroll that has us consistently in the top half of the conference standings while competing for conference titles every 3-4 years or so look like?

From a 2018 article on OSU's rivals site:

If we take a look across the Big 12, Baylor and TCU weren’t listed as they’re private institutions, but Texas checks in at No. 1 as they pay their assistant coaches a combined $5,955,000 a year, Oklahoma at No. 2 with $5,465,040 a year, Oklahoma State at No. 3 with $4,150,000 a year, Kansas State at No. 4 with $3,599,000 a year, West Virginia at No. 5 with $3,447,575 a year, Texas Tech at No. 6 with $3,008,000 a year, Kansas at No. 7 with $3,002,299 a year and Iowa State No. 8 with $2,982,500 a year

Yeah, under Snyder 2.0 our coaches were very highly paid. It's somewhere on here but when we had co-offensive coordinators our assistant salaries were top 10 in the country. People hated our assistants then too.

[michigancat]

Many of us liked Dimel!

https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=38636.0

[sonofdaxjones]

Dimel was fine until the Fullback vertical passing game entered the equation.

['taterblast]

there's still an opportunity for this to be an overall positive season, but, feels unlikely. i could stomach the OSU game without Skylar but the overall lack of competitiveness in all three of the conf games so far is eye opening.

[Shooter Jones]

Against Stanford, the team looked athletic, fast, and dialed in/prepared... I had genuinely good feelings about the direction of the program

The last month they have looked slow, poorly coached, and hilariously unprepared... I currently do not have good feelings about the future under Klieman, but maybe that can change over the next month

[Houstoncat93]

there's still an opportunity for this to be an overall positive season, but, feels unlikely. i could stomach the OSU game without Skylar but the overall lack of competitiveness in all three of the conf games so far is eye opening.

The only path I see this to being a positive season is:
4 - 0 vs KU, WVU, TCU, Tech
1 - 1 (or better) vs BU and Texas
Bowl win against a good team.

Any combination that just gets us bowl eligible is a pretty meh season.

Any thing less than bowl eligible is a disaster.

I see a small chance of a "positive" season (5% or less) and about and equal chance of a "meh" or "disaster" season.

['taterblast]

Against Stanford, the team looked athletic, fast, and dialed in/prepared..

yes. what happened to this? Stanford isn't good but they're not bad enough that the first game meant nothing.

[michigancat]

Against Stanford, the team looked athletic, fast, and dialed in/prepared..

yes. what happened to this? Stanford isn't good but they're not bad enough that the first game meant nothing.

legitimately injuries plus we played three teams quite a bit better than Stanford

[ChiComCat]

Stanford was also trying to figure out their QB situation so they probably played their worse game all year

[Pete]

It's still possible for this team to win 4 more games.  If that happens, this season would be a clear success, IMO.

[Pete]

3 more wins would show me that we are "not off track."  It wouldn't be success per se, but not reason for firing anyone, IMO.

[ChiComCat]

I'm going to be a little disappointed in anything under 8, which I still think is plenty doable. 

I could forgive the OU and OSU losses but ISU takes a toll on me.

[Dugout DickStone]

Not sure what he did to earn this type of goodwill.  This team is not getting better and next season we are going to get pummeled.

[wetwillie]

It's still possible for this team to win 4 more games.  If that happens, this season would be a clear success, IMO.

Which 4 teams?

[michigancat]

It's still possible for this team to win 4 more games.  If that happens, this season would be a clear success, IMO.

Which 4 teams?

IMO this is an optimistic (but somewhat realistic) possibility:

1-0 vs. @KU
2-1 vs. TCU/WVU/@TT
1-1 vs. BU/@UT

[michigancat]

Like I can see us beating TT, WVU, and Kansas and people expecting us to run the table and then melting down when we finish 1-2.

[EMAWzifried]

I'm going to be a little disappointed in anything under 8, which I still think is plenty doable. 

I could forgive the OU and OSU losses but ISU takes a toll on me.

Yeah, especially looking as unprepared as we did after a week off. These are the types of games HCBS before his declining years would just own. It was sad to see so much sloppy play. But maybe the coaches took the time to recruit. That would be great.

[wetwillie]

Is TCU bad?  I can’t really see us winning more than 3 more and even that feels generous.

[Dugout DickStone]

I'm going to be a little disappointed in anything under 8, which I still think is plenty doable. 

I could forgive the OU and OSU losses but ISU takes a toll on me.

Yeah, especially looking as unprepared as we did after a week off. These are the types of games HCBS before his declining years would just own. It was sad to see so much sloppy play. But maybe the coaches took the time to recruit. That would be great.

LOFL

[michigancat]

I'm going to be a little disappointed in anything under 8, which I still think is plenty doable. 

I could forgive the OU and OSU losses but ISU takes a toll on me.

Yeah, especially looking as unprepared as we did after a week off. These are the types of games HCBS before his declining years would just own. It was sad to see so much sloppy play. But maybe the coaches took the time to recruit. That would be great.

snyder after bye weeks:

2018: @OU: L 51-14
2017: BU: W @33-20
2016: @BU: W 42-21
2015: @OSU: L 34-36,
2015 Thursday game after a bye: BU L24-34, after the Thursday game @TT L 44-59

[cfbandyman]

I don't know how you scheme your way out of that LB room. (Or any other room with an injury or two)

Exactly. We have a talent problem, I don't see a scheme problem and I don't know if any of us are qualified to do so. They say these young guys in the program has what it takes, we'll see.

One criticism of the staff I have in general, and I blame the head coach for this, is that we commit far too many mistakes given the thin margins we have. That 12 men on the field call after we made a 3rd down stop then gave up the 3rd down conversion after the penalty, that eventually led to a score, is emblematic of the bullshit that happens with this program that needs to stop.

This, this has really been the killer in the 3 losses. All 3 games just had maddening turnovers, untimely/dumb penalties, while on the opposite side OSU, OU, and ISU basically played as clean of a game as you can, we really have done a lot of dig ourselves in holes we can't get out of. All 3 games had moments that if we just played cleanly/better we'd either win or make it way, way more interesting.

[michigancat]

Is TCU bad?  I can’t really see us winning more than 3 more and even that feels generous.

they aren't great and we play them at home.

[wetwillie]

Baylor and UT look a lot better than we do at least from what I’ve seen.   I suppose any of the TCU/TTU/WVU games are winnable. 

['taterblast]

we're not beating UT and Baylor feels worse than a coin flip. 7-5 is the ceiling imo unfortunately.

[Katpappy]

I'm not a fan of fuckhead, but they just played the top 3 ranked teams in the Big XII.  IIRC, Snyder didn't do very well against ranked teams either.  Hopefully, we're in for a surprise for the rest of the season.