Author Topic: The tales of Brownback mountain: My religious liberty > your liberty (Read 18466 times)

Unruly · « **Reply #200 on:** February 20, 2014, 07:34:14 PM »

http://topekasnews.com/kansas-restaurant-kicks-gay-man-tells-gay-eating/

Paul Moscow · « **Reply #201 on:** February 20, 2014, 07:39:25 PM »

Quote from: Unruly on February 20, 2014, 07:34:14 PM

http://topekasnews.com/kansas-restaurant-kicks-gay-man-tells-gay-eating/

that's not real, right?

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #202 on:** February 20, 2014, 07:40:43 PM »

That's worse than Jim Crow.

michigancat · « **Reply #203 on:** February 20, 2014, 07:42:38 PM »

Quote from: Paul Moscow on February 20, 2014, 07:39:25 PM

Quote from: Unruly on February 20, 2014, 07:34:14 PM
http://topekasnews.com/kansas-restaurant-kicks-gay-man-tells-gay-eating/

that's not real, right?

obviously not. (to people who know Kansas geography, at least.)

Cire · « **Reply #204 on:** February 20, 2014, 07:44:45 PM »

It's hypothetical.

michigancat · « **Reply #205 on:** February 20, 2014, 07:45:11 PM »

http://topekasnews.com/edward-snowden-caught-leaking-us-olympic-playbook-russians/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=edward-snowden-caught-leaking-us-olympic-playbook-russians

Unruly · « **Reply #206 on:** February 20, 2014, 08:00:49 PM »

Kansas has an onion branch LOLOL

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #207 on:** February 20, 2014, 09:00:21 PM »

oh

Brock Landers · « **Reply #208 on:** February 21, 2014, 05:22:54 PM »

Good news, Kansas. Arizona is now your Bigot Bro

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/21/us/arizona-anti-gay-bill/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

john "teach me how to" dougie · « **Reply #209 on:** February 21, 2014, 06:30:40 PM »

Well, that's just dumb.

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #210 on:** February 21, 2014, 06:54:00 PM »

Kansas leftists are a weird combination of pathetic and bat crap crazy, which is the real reason there's zero balance is Kansas politics

star seed 7 · « **Reply #211 on:** February 21, 2014, 07:01:11 PM »

Quote from: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 21, 2014, 06:54:00 PM

Kansas leftists are a weird combination of pathetic and bat crap crazy, which is the real reason there's zero balance is Kansas politics

Lol

steve dave · « **Reply #212 on:** February 21, 2014, 08:50:14 PM »

liberals are the reason KS is a world laughinstock

Paul Moscow · « **Reply #213 on:** February 22, 2014, 02:46:43 AM »

Quote from: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 21, 2014, 06:54:00 PM

Kansas leftists are a weird combination of pathetic and bat crap crazy, which is the real reason there's zero balance is Kansas politics

there hasn't been a democratic senator in kansas since 1939 - literally the longest streak in the history of the united states.

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #214 on:** February 22, 2014, 08:04:23 AM »

Quote from: Paul Moscow on February 22, 2014, 02:46:43 AM

Quote from: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 21, 2014, 06:54:00 PM
Kansas leftists are a weird combination of pathetic and bat crap crazy, which is the real reason there's zero balance is Kansas politics

there hasn't been a democratic senator in kansas since 1939 - literally the longest streak in the history of the united states.

They should try running a non-lunatic.

Katpappy · « **Reply #215 on:** February 22, 2014, 09:33:45 PM »

Quote from: CNS on February 07, 2014, 02:20:43 PM

Quote from: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 07, 2014, 02:15:13 PM
Under no circumstance should a state/local/utility/common carrier employee be allowed to deny anyone any service they provide.

Under no circumstance should a private citizen be required to provide service to any person they don't want to. If that's their decision they can be PI'd out of business.

This.

The example in the KC Star article about the wedding photog being able to refuse to do a same sex marriage job is something that shouldn't be legislated. The sickening part is the law including public employees. It does say that the service is not able to be denied, but that the employee can personally not be the one to supply the service without repercussion, which is bullshit. If your religious views prevent you from doing your job, it shouldn't be your job anymore. It shouldn't be the employer having to make that decision either. If you are righteous enough to object to performing your known duties due to beliefs, you should have the strength of character to step away from a job that would require such breaches of beliefs.

Seems only the religious get to have their cake and eat it too.

That's why there are so many religions. Ride a Harley, become a Minster. Smoke dope, become a Minster. Ride the Hershey highway, become a Minster. It's that simple.

star seed 7 · « **Reply #216 on:** February 23, 2014, 03:16:33 AM »

K-S-U-Wildcats! · « **Reply #217 on:** February 25, 2014, 11:12:47 AM »

There is no law in Kansas which prohibits private businesses from discriminating based on sexual orientation, right? Are there any lawsuits that have been filed against private businesses for doing so? If not, I don't see the utility of this law.

As for whether private businesses should be so-prohibited (and I know that's not what's currently at issue, at least in Kansas), notions of equality need to be balanced with freedom of religion. Like it or not, homosexuality is considered a sin according to widely-held religious beliefs (including beliefs held by a great many black ministers who are justifiably chagrined that this is being compared to racial discrimination). Perhaps that will change over time, and many Christian denominations already take a much more permissive view towards homosexuality, but a business owner who believes homosexuality is a sin is not necessarily a bigot or a kook, and he or she should be free to deny service.

Kat Kid · « **Reply #218 on:** February 25, 2014, 11:32:46 AM »

Curiously enough divorce is also a sin yet was nowhere to be found in the law.

K-S-U-Wildcats! · « **Reply #219 on:** February 25, 2014, 12:12:01 PM »

Quote from: Kat Kid on February 25, 2014, 11:32:46 AM

Curiously enough divorce is also a sin yet was nowhere to be found in the law.

Right, and a business owner should be free to not offer service to divorced people if he so chooses. But as I said, we don't need laws spelling out these rights - they exist unless a specific law takes them away.

michigancat · « **Reply #220 on:** February 25, 2014, 12:15:33 PM »

I don't think those black ministers are justifiably chagrined.

star seed 7 · « **Reply #221 on:** February 25, 2014, 02:00:09 PM »

Quote from: michigancat on February 25, 2014, 12:15:33 PM

I don't think those black ministers are justifiably chagrined.

Lol

steve dave · « **Reply #222 on:** February 25, 2014, 02:56:13 PM »

I love the talking point that because a religion teaches bigotry its followers can not be bigots. amazing get out of jail free card.

CNS · « **Reply #223 on:** February 25, 2014, 03:00:18 PM »

and zealots dumbasses love the fact that ppl that hold that stance think they have a moral superiority to God.

This is why we need to find a way for idiots to be left as idiots and not legislate it one way or the other. everyone should have the same rights. Let the individuals practice them differently.

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #224 on:** February 25, 2014, 04:16:55 PM »

Quote from: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 25, 2014, 11:12:47 AM

There is no law in Kansas which prohibits private businesses from discriminating based on sexual orientation, right? Are there any lawsuits that have been filed against private businesses for doing so? If not, I don't see the utility of this law.

As for whether private businesses should be so-prohibited (and I know that's not what's currently at issue, at least in Kansas), notions of equality need to be balanced with freedom of religion. Like it or not, homosexuality is considered a sin according to widely-held religious beliefs (including beliefs held by a great many black ministers who are justifiably chagrined that this is being compared to racial discrimination). Perhaps that will change over time, and many Christian denominations already take a much more permissive view towards homosexuality, but a business owner who believes homosexuality is a sin is not necessarily a bigot or a kook, and he or she should be free to deny service.

The Bible says love the sinner, hate the sin.