people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff

[kostakio]

I say give them a small additional stipend and get it over with.  A few hundred bucks a month to cover clothing and other costs that are not included in their current scholarships.  They're already getting paid just pay them a little more to cover the true cost of going to college.   

[MakeItRain]

Paying college athletes is the absolute worst idea I've ever heard of. You know what they will spend the money on? Food? No. Drugs, Cars, Strip Clubs, and Casinos. College sports will turn into GTA5 on steroids. If schools really want to better support their student athletes, then the colleges need to negotiate with the NCAA a better compensation package along with their scholarships.

So a stipend? Do you have more than one person posting under your screen name?

Also the more I think about the non bolded part of the post the more pissed off I get. Why in the holy hell do you think athletes would spend excess money any differently than any other of their 21 year old peers? How is that any different than saying "don't give the poor dumb niggers any more than we think they need, they won't be able to help themselves anyway. They'll just use the money to terrorize our campus."

[sunny_cat]

Paying college athletes is the absolute worst idea I've ever heard of. You know what they will spend the money on? Food? No. Drugs, Cars, Strip Clubs, and Casinos. College sports will turn into GTA5 on steroids. If schools really want to better support their student athletes, then the colleges need to negotiate with the NCAA a better compensation package along with their scholarships.

So a stipend? Do you have more than one person posting under your screen name?

Also the more I think about the non bolded part of the post the more pissed off I get. Why in the holy hell do you think athletes would spend excess money any differently than any other of their 21 year old peers? How is that any different than saying "don't give the poor dumb niggers any more than we think they need, they won't be able to help themselves anyway. They'll just use the money to terrorize our campus."

Yup. Knew that was coming.

[MakeItRain]

If schools really want to better support their student athletes, then the colleges need to negotiate with the NCAA a better compensation package along with their scholarships.

A stipend is the same thing as paying athletes. Wake up.

how exactly would you set it up so this would be something that could be set up across the board and be attainable for all sports and SA's?

That is the problem. I don't think you can fairly extend compensation between every sport and SA without someone getting screwed. The best chance of success for something like this, would be if each sport individually presented their "compensation package" to the governing body. If each sport was governed separately it has a chance, but sharing an entire athletic budget equally for every sport and SA just isn't going to work.

What are you talking about? The cost of attendance doesn't change based on what sport you play.

[yoga-like_abana]

troubledscribe more like trouble describing whatever the hell your point it

[MakeItRain]

Paying college athletes is the absolute worst idea I've ever heard of. You know what they will spend the money on? Food? No. Drugs, Cars, Strip Clubs, and Casinos. College sports will turn into GTA5 on steroids. If schools really want to better support their student athletes, then the colleges need to negotiate with the NCAA a better compensation package along with their scholarships.

So a stipend? Do you have more than one person posting under your screen name?

Also the more I think about the non bolded part of the post the more pissed off I get. Why in the holy hell do you think athletes would spend excess money any differently than any other of their 21 year old peers? How is that any different than saying "don't give the poor dumb niggers any more than we think they need, they won't be able to help themselves anyway. They'll just use the money to terrorize our campus."

Yup. Knew that was coming.

It was such an offensive point, I wish I wouldn't have been the one to point it out.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Should different schools give different stipends based upon cost of living? I'm just not sure. Requiring every school to just provide student housing to all scholarship athletes with a meal plan just makes more sense to me. That way all expenses are paid for, and no school gets the advantages/disadvantages that would come with a standard across-the-board stipend.

[slucat]

Seems like student athletes get a choice.  You take it or you don't.  If they didn't take the scholly, and went to college and had some crappy job, they still couldn't afford the lifestyle the scholarship provides.

This is the point I wanted to make, but I was busy making stupid analogies.

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And what lifestyle is that?

Full meal plan, probably decent (better than ghetto apartment) housing...

Ugh, and I don't know about anyone else, but if parents send their kids to college isn't there some responsibility to make sure your kid has clothes? I mean yeah, I've heard it on here before, but having a child myself, I think there is NOT one scenario possible that my bills just to have him under my roof don't exceed $50/month-if the kid is so bad off with his paid meals, housing, tutoring, etc...send that $50/mo for some play money. 

AND if the kid comes from a household where there isn't even that $50 to be had, then they are probably thanking their lucky stars for a warm bed and hot meals, because without their athletic talents it is unlikely that they would even have that.

Additionally, yeah, college-time of your life-I doubt there are many student athletes who don't consider what they are doing the "time of their life".  It is all how you choose to live it.

PS-DIII swimmer.

[troubledscribe]

Paying college athletes is the absolute worst idea I've ever heard of. You know what they will spend the money on? Food? No. Drugs, Cars, Strip Clubs, and Casinos. College sports will turn into GTA5 on steroids. If schools really want to better support their student athletes, then the colleges need to negotiate with the NCAA a better compensation package along with their scholarships.

So a stipend? Do you have more than one person posting under your screen name?

Also the more I think about the non bolded part of the post the more pissed off I get. Why in the holy hell do you think athletes would spend excess money any differently than any other of their 21 year old peers? How is that any different than saying "don't give the poor dumb niggers any more than we think they need, they won't be able to help themselves anyway. They'll just use the money to terrorize our campus."

Not a stipend, extra university benefits or something that has monetary value but can't be exchanged for actual money.

I'm not saying they will spend it any differently than their peers, per say. I actually played college baseball at a CC on scholarship for 2 years, before having my son and not finishing a bachelors. You know what we did with any excess money we had? Spent it on rough ridin' alcohol and garbage. We received $100 dollars of food money per week and I wish that would have been in a fund for after school that I could have accessed instead of blowing it. (Maybe that is a more acceptable form of payment? If a stipend, money that will be released after their athletic careers at the university are complete.) Now I have to take out student loans just to finish up schooling after dropping out to find a job. Basically I'm trying to say that any addition money they receive, the majority of it, is going to be wasted if you give it directly to the kids. They are kids and a large portion of the time, they aren't going to make the smart decision, be they white, black, purple or what the eff ever color you are.

[MakeItRain]

Seems like student athletes get a choice.  You take it or you don't.  If they didn't take the scholly, and went to college and had some crappy job, they still couldn't afford the lifestyle the scholarship provides.

This is the point I wanted to make, but I was busy making stupid analogies.

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And what lifestyle is that?

Full meal plan, probably decent (better than ghetto apartment) housing...

Ugh, and I don't know about anyone else, but if parents send their kids to college isn't there some responsibility to make sure your kid has clothes? I mean yeah, I've heard it on here before, but having a child myself, I think there is NOT one scenario possible that my bills just to have him under my roof don't exceed $50/month-if the kid is so bad off with his paid meals, housing, tutoring, etc...send that $50/mo for some play money. 

AND if the kid comes from a household where there isn't even that $50 to be had, then they are probably thanking their lucky stars for a warm bed and hot meals, because without their athletic talents it is unlikely that they would even have that.

Additionally, yeah, college-time of your life-I doubt there are many student athletes who don't consider what they are doing the "time of their life".  It is all how you choose to live it.

PS-DIII swimmer.

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/1/18/college-athletessaytheyneedpaytocoverbasiccostsofliving.html

[troubledscribe]

troubledscribe more like trouble describing whatever the hell your point it

My point is: I don't think student athletes should be given any additional money to what they are already able to receive. Extra benefits in other forms through their university sure, but paying them or giving them an additional stipend isn't going to work.

[ChiComCat]

The two things that need to be addressed when it comes to paying athletes or a stipend are:

1) Does an athlete get paid the same from school to school at the same level
2) Does an athlete get paid the same whether male/female or from sport to sport

Everybody wants to talk about all the money the NCAA makes, and they do, but if you break it down across every D1 athlete is it enough to cover their expenses?  Personally, I think they should just allow athlete dorms and put some resources in there.  Make the athlete dorms obligated to house the same percentage of athletes from each sport and throw a few other simple regulations in there.  Make the onus of the regulations on the dorms land on the University and not the student athlete

An athlete does get a lot paid for and the University does make a lot of money off their backs.  I don't know if this entitles the athlete to incur no expenses or debt over 4 years but the NCAA/schools should do more.  An athlete wants money to go to the bars or whatever, they should pay it.

[TownieCat]

I say give them a small additional stipend and get it over with.  A few hundred bucks a month to cover clothing and other costs that are not included in their current scholarships.  They're already getting paid just pay them a little more to cover the true cost of going to college.

This is already available to SAs who need it through the NCAA's Special Assistance Fund. If a player really needs money for things like clothes or school supplies they can get it.

[EMAWmeister]

Seems to me that agreeing to be a scholarship student athlete is a huge risk, at least from the description MIR is giving, which I assume is correct.  You're sacrificing any real shot at a quality education, you're basically doomed to be broke in college, and the odds of going pro are astronomically small. 

So why are there so damn many scholarship athletes across the country?  Are scholarship athletes uninformed suckers when it comes to this stuff?

Woah

And yes being a student athlete is a risk and it requires sacrifice on some level

Maybe I misunderstood you, or i'm actually responding to an argument I heard at another time, so I don't want to put words in your mouth.  I imagine that in most cases, getting a quality education is much harder for athletes than it is for some idiot frat boy (like myself), simply because they had this gargantuan time commitment that they had to attend to.  Most people would agree with that, right? 

And my last post wasn't meant to be rhetorical.  If we accept that scholarship athletes get such a raw deal (which I do), then why are there so many across the country?  How do you respond to the idea that no one is holding a gun to these guys' and gals' heads and saying: play college sports?

I don't think the time commitment from athletes interfere with their quality of education, aside from some missed classroom time. Athletic departments provide plenty of academic resources and all parties have a vested interest in keeping athletes in good academic standing.

The sacrifice is in all of the other stuff that is entailed in being a college student. Athletes simply don't get to enjoy the student life that non athletes do. College is the time of your lives for a reason. I'll tie this to the walkon point that tonite is on. I had the opportunity to walkon a community college basketball team. I did it for two weeks before I discovered that waking up at 5:30 to lift weights when I was never going to play was not to me, best decision I ever made. At K-State we had a walkon basketball player in our fraternity, we rarely saw the guy, his experience in the fraternity was much different than the rest of us. He spent so much time with team related stuff and studying he just didn't have time for anything else. He loved being on the team but it wasn't some glamorous posh life.

Why do they do it? Some feel obligated, some are chasing a dream, some don't know anything else; almost all of them feel an intense sense of camaraderie with their teammates. Again I don't think these athletes are suffering by any means but I don't think the system is doing all for them that they can.

I'll bet that a lot of players enjoy playing college football/basketball just as much as another would enjoy drinking beer in Aggieville.  Sure, it's a different college experience, but I think most of them look back on their college experience pretty positively. 

[MakeItRain]

Paying college athletes is the absolute worst idea I've ever heard of. You know what they will spend the money on? Food? No. Drugs, Cars, Strip Clubs, and Casinos. College sports will turn into GTA5 on steroids. If schools really want to better support their student athletes, then the colleges need to negotiate with the NCAA a better compensation package along with their scholarships.

So a stipend? Do you have more than one person posting under your screen name?

Also the more I think about the non bolded part of the post the more pissed off I get. Why in the holy hell do you think athletes would spend excess money any differently than any other of their 21 year old peers? How is that any different than saying "don't give the poor dumb niggers any more than we think they need, they won't be able to help themselves anyway. They'll just use the money to terrorize our campus."

Not a stipend, extra university benefits or something that has monetary value but can't be exchanged for actual money.

I'm not saying they will spend it any differently than their peers, per say. I actually played college baseball at a CC on scholarship for 2 years, before having my son and not finishing a bachelors. You know what we did with any excess money we had? Spent it on rough ridin' alcohol and garbage. We received $100 dollars of food money per week and I wish that would have been in a fund for after school that I could have accessed instead of blowing it. (Maybe that is a more acceptable form of payment? If a stipend, money that will be released after their athletic careers at the university are complete.) Now I have to take out student loans just to finish up schooling after dropping out to find a job. Basically I'm trying to say that any addition money they receive, the majority of it, is going to be wasted if you give it directly to the kids. They are kids and a large portion of the time, they aren't going to make the smart decision, be they white, black, purple or what the eff ever color you are.

So you didn't spend it on "drugs, cars, strip clubs, and casinos?"

[MakeItRain]

Seems to me that agreeing to be a scholarship student athlete is a huge risk, at least from the description MIR is giving, which I assume is correct.  You're sacrificing any real shot at a quality education, you're basically doomed to be broke in college, and the odds of going pro are astronomically small. 

So why are there so damn many scholarship athletes across the country?  Are scholarship athletes uninformed suckers when it comes to this stuff?

Woah

And yes being a student athlete is a risk and it requires sacrifice on some level

Maybe I misunderstood you, or i'm actually responding to an argument I heard at another time, so I don't want to put words in your mouth.  I imagine that in most cases, getting a quality education is much harder for athletes than it is for some idiot frat boy (like myself), simply because they had this gargantuan time commitment that they had to attend to.  Most people would agree with that, right? 

And my last post wasn't meant to be rhetorical.  If we accept that scholarship athletes get such a raw deal (which I do), then why are there so many across the country?  How do you respond to the idea that no one is holding a gun to these guys' and gals' heads and saying: play college sports?

I don't think the time commitment from athletes interfere with their quality of education, aside from some missed classroom time. Athletic departments provide plenty of academic resources and all parties have a vested interest in keeping athletes in good academic standing.

The sacrifice is in all of the other stuff that is entailed in being a college student. Athletes simply don't get to enjoy the student life that non athletes do. College is the time of your lives for a reason. I'll tie this to the walkon point that tonite is on. I had the opportunity to walkon a community college basketball team. I did it for two weeks before I discovered that waking up at 5:30 to lift weights when I was never going to play was not to me, best decision I ever made. At K-State we had a walkon basketball player in our fraternity, we rarely saw the guy, his experience in the fraternity was much different than the rest of us. He spent so much time with team related stuff and studying he just didn't have time for anything else. He loved being on the team but it wasn't some glamorous posh life.

Why do they do it? Some feel obligated, some are chasing a dream, some don't know anything else; almost all of them feel an intense sense of camaraderie with their teammates. Again I don't think these athletes are suffering by any means but I don't think the system is doing all for them that they can.

I'll bet that a lot of players enjoy playing college football/basketball just as much as another would enjoy drinking beer in Aggieville.  Sure, it's a different college experience, but I think most of them look back on their college experience pretty positively.

I made that point in the post that you quoted.

[troubledscribe]

Paying college athletes is the absolute worst idea I've ever heard of. You know what they will spend the money on? Food? No. Drugs, Cars, Strip Clubs, and Casinos. College sports will turn into GTA5 on steroids. If schools really want to better support their student athletes, then the colleges need to negotiate with the NCAA a better compensation package along with their scholarships.

So a stipend? Do you have more than one person posting under your screen name?

Also the more I think about the non bolded part of the post the more pissed off I get. Why in the holy hell do you think athletes would spend excess money any differently than any other of their 21 year old peers? How is that any different than saying "don't give the poor dumb niggers any more than we think they need, they won't be able to help themselves anyway. They'll just use the money to terrorize our campus."

Not a stipend, extra university benefits or something that has monetary value but can't be exchanged for actual money.

I'm not saying they will spend it any differently than their peers, per say. I actually played college baseball at a CC on scholarship for 2 years, before having my son and not finishing a bachelors. You know what we did with any excess money we had? Spent it on rough ridin' alcohol and garbage. We received $100 dollars of food money per week and I wish that would have been in a fund for after school that I could have accessed instead of blowing it. (Maybe that is a more acceptable form of payment? If a stipend, money that will be released after their athletic careers at the university are complete.) Now I have to take out student loans just to finish up schooling after dropping out to find a job. Basically I'm trying to say that any addition money they receive, the majority of it, is going to be wasted if you give it directly to the kids. They are kids and a large portion of the time, they aren't going to make the smart decision, be they white, black, purple or what the eff ever color you are.

So you didn't spend it on "drugs, cars, strip clubs, and casinos?"

Yes, I did spend it on that and it was an amazing time.

[hatingfrancisco]

I personally would love to see an approach in College like that of free agency.  Let the free market work everything out.

[MakeItRain]

Why does all of troubledscribe's posts contradict with previous posts that he made? Are you forgetting to log your sock on when arguing with yourself?

[MakeItRain]

I personally would love to see an approach in College like that of free agency.  Let the free market work everything out.

Like no rules?

[Belvis Noland]

The two things that need to be addressed when it comes to paying athletes or a stipend are:

1) Does an athlete get paid the same from school to school at the same level
2) Does an athlete get paid the same whether male/female or from sport to sport

First thing's first.  Athletes have it pretty f'n good, if you ask me.  All of the benefits that they get have been thoroughly hashed out in this thread.  But, NONE of these benefits equate to cash in hand.  spending money.  If I'm Jow Blow 4.0 A+++ National Honor Society Fullbright/Rhodes Scholar, I get pretty sweet benefits too.  Basically, aside from the health plan and athletic gear, I get all the same crap as the elite athletes.  However, if I want to make a few thousand extra bucks a year, I can get a job at the University and make some cash to spend on whatever the eff I want.  Maybe I want to go to spring break with my biology buddies.  I've got 2,500 in the bank because I got a job with the University.  why are athletes any different?  Johnny Linebacker is "working" for the University just the same as Johnny Biology grading tests and tutoring struggling students.  The only difference is that the latter can get paid for his service to the University. 

So to ChiCat's questions (which I think are the biggest unknowns): 

1) Yes.  Absolutely.  I can see a scenario where the NCAA gives schools a ceiling, mandating an amount of compensation that may not be exceeded.  Let's say it's $2,500.00 per season.  This way, talent is not purchased by schools.  It would be a salary cap, of sorts.  If a school doesn't want to pay out its total salary cap, that's fine.  But, they'll not be very competitive.  on the flip side, with a reasonable cap, snaller schools can still compete with larger schools.

2) Yes.   Untill the football breaks away from the NCAA and the academic institutions, I imagine all athletes across all sports will require an equal payment.  Don't know crap about Title IX, but I imagine female rowers and Johnny Manziel would have to receive the same amount. 

[illBisonYourdele]

i get angry when people include cell phone plans in their list of monthly expenses.  buy an ipod touch and use wifi.  get a rough ridin' flip phone from quicktrip and stop spending $100/month

should the athletic department just provide everyone with a phone? big group plan?

[kostakio]

Should different schools give different stipends based upon cost of living? I'm just not sure. Requiring every school to just provide student housing to all scholarship athletes with a meal plan just makes more sense to me. That way all expenses are paid for, and no school gets the advantages/disadvantages that would come with a standard across-the-board stipend.

This already happens with the money that they are allowed for housing.   Once a student athlete moves out of the dorms then they just get a monthly check to cover housing.  That check isn't going to be the same at USC as it is at K-State.  So most of these kids are already getting monthly checks as it is.  Just beef them up a little bit so they don't have to hardly scrape by.  But make no mistake these kids are already getting paid and the stuff you're bringing up is already going on. 

[slackcat]

They get plenty as it is.  I had to work and get loans to go to school, being a stud athlete on scholly would have been so much easier.

[Alpinist]

Its a NCAA violation for athletes to sell that stuff, clown. Even if they could do you really think they have enough of that stuff to make good money off of it. There aren't that many weirdos that wants to buy used practice gear, gross.

It happened in my house several times, non of the goods were used.