Deb seems very polarizing. Not sure what to believe.
What to believe in what regard? Many of the things people don't like about Deb is born out of the Voepel article, some details of the article aren't exactly accurate, some are sensationalized, and others people don't remember correctly.
The firing is about wins and losses, but if what Stevesie posted is accurate I hope Currie considered that heavily because that isn't right.
This is the same kind of BS you tried to pull last year. You were wrong then and wrong now.
I'm not sure what is happening here but you are doing your thing where you become unreasonably unhinged so I'm gonna keep walking and not look you in the eye.
I will tell you that the 7.5 year old article you keep mentioning is still on the web and easy to find, I read an article earlier this evening that linked it. That chapel thing in the context you brought it up is an example of you not remembering the totality of the story. I will give you credit and not accuse you of intentionally lying because after all that article was written in 2006 & the person who spoke on record about it graduated 9 years ago.
If you want to do the song & dance about this, that's fine but I was very very close to the program back then close enough to know most of that stuff in the article before it was published. If you want to ignore all of that and just base everything off of an article written 7 years ago about stuff that happened between 8-12 years ago I'll leave you with this.
They had that option this year, that chapel is at a different time than pregame meal," Wecker said. "But at the same time, if you don't go, then what happens?"
What happened is that people who didn't want to go were told by coach not to go and they weren't kicked off of the team, a few of them stood with Wecker at the championship team reunion last month.
funny projection about posters who have a consistent history of becoming unhinged.
And once again you underplay a quality story because it has totally destroyed your position on Deb which you've constructed for years. She has been a liability for a long time, its just sad that K-State is doing something about it now that the Ws and Ls aren't in the correct amounts. It doesn't matter how long ago the story was written if the piece withstands scrutiny and shows a consistent issue with a coach. But nice attempt at a cheap shot, which you're a great artist of, by feinting the lying charge. The point I had made still stands though, K-State had an opportunity to wash their hands of Deb for cause and should have acted to protect the university. You poorly constructed attempt to attack credibility betrays your failure to make coherent points. Deb had ethics issues then and probably still has them now. I'd love to know how close you were to the program because you make no points and sound like a tuck with that kind of line. You can either lay out an argument or fall further into tuck talking points as a defense. You don't make that kind of piece, put it on a reputable Sunday paper without having your story locked down. The fact you put that quote from Wecker in your defense shows that clearly miss the context and that you clearly have no idea why Deb should have been immediately fired for the potential harm she placed the university in.
Quite frankly I don't give a crap if they article was from years ago, that wasn't my point main in this thread. The point was a) I wish she was gone sooner, when it would have been a cleaner break, and b) she has been in a downward trend for a few years with no major accomplishments to speak of after having many great resources at her disposal. She arguably should have been gone last year. I listed to your points about injuries to the front court/key players and a few other issues and reconsidered my position to "the one more year" camp. Instead we are treated with another awful year building a trend which oscillates between mediocrity and terrible.