Coaching Carousel Master Thread (MAYBE FEATURING THE KSU CATS?)

[Dugout DickStone]

Frank is going to lie low for a couple of years, and as soon as he has any sort of success again he's going to be gone.  It won't matter where it is as long as it isn't Manhattan, KS.  He probably has Bob Huggins in his ear every day telling him what rubes we all are. 

I'd never say Frank was "lying low"

[The1BigWillie]

Beems is on the money here.  Frank sees the writing on the wall.  The recruits he needs to compete in this league aren't coming to KSU and his stock now that Pullen is gone will only drop.  The time to get out is now and he knows it.  He assumed when this crap went down with Haith to Miami he could just roll out of here and get a fresh start with zero expectations. He'd be home making millions enjoying the crap out of life while he re-built a program.  He would get a minimum of 5 years down there and if crap didn't pan out he could just pass the buck on "nobody gives a crap about basketball down here" and probably go land a good job or assistant job somewhere.  As it stands he is probably going to get his crap kicked in for 2 or 3 years here at KSU, get fired, and have to blow Huggins for a gig at WVU.  

I'b be pissed if I were Frank too. He's no dummy. He knows this ride is coming to an end.

[slimz]

* EXCLUSIVE *

Guys, I just obtained with Donna Shalala/Miami.

[doom]

Beems is on the money here.  Frank sees the writing on the wall.  The recruits he needs to compete in this league aren't coming to KSU and his stock now that Pullen is gone will only drop.  The time to get out is now and he knows it.  He assumed when this cac went down with Haith to Miami he could just roll out of here and get a fresh start with zero expectations. He'd be home making millions enjoying the cac out of life while he re-built a program.  He would get a minimum of 5 years down there and if cac didn't pan out he could just pass the buck on "nobody gives a cac about basketball down here" and probably go land a good job or assistant job somewhere.  As it stands he is probably going to get his cac kicked in for 2 or 3 years here at KSU, get fired, and have to blow Huggins for a gig at WVU.  

I'b be pissed if I were Frank too. He's no dummy. He knows this ride is coming to an end.

I think the now that pullen is gone talking point is ridic. funny.

[sonofdaxjones]

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Tucker just wants to stir the pot before he heads off to the old writers homes.

[yoga-like_abana]

Beems is on the money here.  Frank sees the writing on the wall.  The recruits he needs to compete in this league aren't coming to KSU and his stock now that Pullen is gone will only drop.  The time to get out is now and he knows it.  He assumed when this cac went down with Haith to Miami he could just roll out of here and get a fresh start with zero expectations. He'd be home making millions enjoying the cac out of life while he re-built a program.  He would get a minimum of 5 years down there and if cac didn't pan out he could just pass the buck on "nobody gives a cac about basketball down here" and probably go land a good job or assistant job somewhere.  As it stands he is probably going to get his cac kicked in for 2 or 3 years here at KSU, get fired, and have to blow Huggins for a gig at WVU.  

I'b be pissed if I were Frank too. He's no dummy. He knows this ride is coming to an end.

I think the now that pullen is gone talking point is ridic. funny.

I didn't see anything in there that mentioned pullen leaving? 
And he isn't necessarily reloading the talent pool here either.

[sonofdaxjones]

Beems is on the money here.  Frank sees the writing on the wall.  The recruits he needs to compete in this league aren't coming to KSU and his stock now that Pullen is gone will only drop.  The time to get out is now and he knows it.  He assumed when this cac went down with Haith to Miami he could just roll out of here and get a fresh start with zero expectations. He'd be home making millions enjoying the cac out of life while he re-built a program.  He would get a minimum of 5 years down there and if cac didn't pan out he could just pass the buck on "nobody gives a cac about basketball down here" and probably go land a good job or assistant job somewhere.  As it stands he is probably going to get his cac kicked in for 2 or 3 years here at KSU, get fired, and have to blow Huggins for a gig at WVU.  

I'b be pissed if I were Frank too. He's no dummy. He knows this ride is coming to an end.

I think the now that pullen is gone talking point is ridic. funny.

I didn't see anything in there that mentioned pullen leaving? 
And he isn't necessarily reloading the talent pool here either.

He's doing a slightly above mediocre job of reloading the talent pool.   

[sys]

Beems is on the money here.  Frank sees the writing on the wall.  The recruits he needs to compete in this league aren't coming to KSU and his stock now that Pullen is gone will only drop.  The time to get out is now and he knows it.  He assumed when this cac went down with Haith to Miami he could just roll out of here and get a fresh start with zero expectations. He'd be home making millions enjoying the cac out of life while he re-built a program.  He would get a minimum of 5 years down there and if cac didn't pan out he could just pass the buck on "nobody gives a cac about basketball down here" and probably go land a good job or assistant job somewhere.  As it stands he is probably going to get his cac kicked in for 2 or 3 years here at KSU, get fired, and have to blow Huggins for a gig at WVU.  

I'b be pissed if I were Frank too. He's no dummy. He knows this ride is coming to an end.

I think the now that pullen is gone talking point is ridic. funny.

I didn't see anything in there that mentioned pullen leaving? 
And he isn't necessarily reloading the talent pool here either.

agree with doom.

[jtksu]

Seems like we were better last year when Denis was here.  Frank brought him in, right? 

[The1BigWillie]

Beems is on the money here.  Frank sees the writing on the wall.  The recruits he needs to compete in this league aren't coming to KSU and his stock now that Pullen is gone will only drop.  The time to get out is now and he knows it.  He assumed when this cac went down with Haith to Miami he could just roll out of here and get a fresh start with zero expectations. He'd be home making millions enjoying the cac out of life while he re-built a program.  He would get a minimum of 5 years down there and if cac didn't pan out he could just pass the buck on "nobody gives a cac about basketball down here" and probably go land a good job or assistant job somewhere.  As it stands he is probably going to get his cac kicked in for 2 or 3 years here at KSU, get fired, and have to blow Huggins for a gig at WVU.  

I'b be pissed if I were Frank too. He's no dummy. He knows this ride is coming to an end.

I think the now that pullen is gone talking point is ridic. funny.

I didn't see anything in there that mentioned pullen leaving?  
And he isn't necessarily reloading the talent pool here either.

agree with doom.

Well, instead of "Pullen is gone" let's use...  Pullen, Kelly, Judge, Clemente, and whoever else he has/will run off are gone and being replaced with three freshman and a sex addict from New York.  The point is... the talent pool appears to be dwindling.

[MakeItRain]

Beems is on the money here.  Frank sees the writing on the wall.  The recruits he needs to compete in this league aren't coming to KSU and his stock now that Pullen is gone will only drop.  The time to get out is now and he knows it.  He assumed when this cac went down with Haith to Miami he could just roll out of here and get a fresh start with zero expectations. He'd be home making millions enjoying the cac out of life while he re-built a program.  He would get a minimum of 5 years down there and if cac didn't pan out he could just pass the buck on "nobody gives a cac about basketball down here" and probably go land a good job or assistant job somewhere.  As it stands he is probably going to get his cac kicked in for 2 or 3 years here at KSU, get fired, and have to blow Huggins for a gig at WVU.  

I'b be pissed if I were Frank too. He's no dummy. He knows this ride is coming to an end.

I think the now that pullen is gone talking point is ridic. funny.

I didn't see anything in there that mentioned pullen leaving?  
And he isn't necessarily reloading the talent pool here either.

agree with doom.

Well, instead of "Pullen is gone" let's use...  Pullen, Kelly, Judge, Clemente, and whoever else he has/will run off are gone and being replaced with three freshman and a sex addict from New York.  The point is... the talent pool appears to be dwindling.

What the eff are you talking about, seriously shut up.  When you replace seniors with freshmen of course it appears that the talent is getting worse.  eff man no one thought Jacob Pullen was going to be better than Cartier Martin.  The stupidity of your post pisses me off.  rough ridin' Wally Judge sucked, it wont be hard for either freshman big to out produce him.

[The1BigWillie]

Beems is on the money here.  Frank sees the writing on the wall.  The recruits he needs to compete in this league aren't coming to KSU and his stock now that Pullen is gone will only drop.  The time to get out is now and he knows it.  He assumed when this cac went down with Haith to Miami he could just roll out of here and get a fresh start with zero expectations. He'd be home making millions enjoying the cac out of life while he re-built a program.  He would get a minimum of 5 years down there and if cac didn't pan out he could just pass the buck on "nobody gives a cac about basketball down here" and probably go land a good job or assistant job somewhere.  As it stands he is probably going to get his cac kicked in for 2 or 3 years here at KSU, get fired, and have to blow Huggins for a gig at WVU.  

I'b be pissed if I were Frank too. He's no dummy. He knows this ride is coming to an end.

I think the now that pullen is gone talking point is ridic. funny.

I didn't see anything in there that mentioned pullen leaving?  
And he isn't necessarily reloading the talent pool here either.

agree with doom.

Well, instead of "Pullen is gone" let's use...  Pullen, Kelly, Judge, Clemente, and whoever else he has/will run off are gone and being replaced with three freshman and a sex addict from New York.  The point is... the talent pool appears to be dwindling.

What the eff are you talking about, seriously shut up.  When you replace seniors with freshmen of course it appears that the talent is getting worse.  eff man no one thought Jacob Pullen was going to be better than Cartier Martin.  The stupidity of your post pisses me off.  rough ridin' Wally Judge sucked, it wont be hard for either freshman big to out produce him.

MIR you just said the same thing.  We are replacing proven talent and experience with un-proven talent with no-experience.  What did I say that has you so butt hurt?  I like you MIR.  Please don't PI me.

[kstate4life]

Yeah all this Frank bashing makes sense... cause Pullen was a 5 star recruit, and Kelly wasn't a 1 ppg loser at UCONN.  IMO, Frank did some pretty amazing things with mediocre players (Pullen, Kelly, Clemente) and who cares about Judge...  I dont see why he wouldnt be able to do it again.

I guess we could go back to Woolly, cause that would be much better... and possibly never get to the NCAA tourney again.  Please remember where we came from...

[TheMadCatter]

I think it's a mix of Frank being a bit upset Miami hasn't at least reached out, making a bad PR move and getting too honest in an interview, and making a poor play to get a contract negotiation .

I've never been ignorant enough to think Frank doesn't at least have mild interest in the Miami job. I may be ignorant, though, in believing that just because Frank has interest in the Miami job it doesn't mean he hates Manhattan/K-State.

[The1BigWillie]

Hey, it's not my fault Frank wants to get the eff out of here on the first thing smoking.  You guys are mis-directing your anger.  

[yoga-like_abana]

so what is everyones expectations for Frank and 'cats basketball from here on out?

[kstate4life]

you think if we embezzled some cuban cigars and flew in some miami beach skanks to the little apple Frank will stay?  

[CNS]

so what is everyones expectations for Frank and 'cats basketball from here on out?

I think 2011-2012 will sting a little, but I think 2012-2013 could be a pretty nice year.

[MakeItRain]

Beems is on the money here.  Frank sees the writing on the wall.  The recruits he needs to compete in this league aren't coming to KSU and his stock now that Pullen is gone will only drop.  The time to get out is now and he knows it.  He assumed when this cac went down with Haith to Miami he could just roll out of here and get a fresh start with zero expectations. He'd be home making millions enjoying the cac out of life while he re-built a program.  He would get a minimum of 5 years down there and if cac didn't pan out he could just pass the buck on "nobody gives a cac about basketball down here" and probably go land a good job or assistant job somewhere.  As it stands he is probably going to get his cac kicked in for 2 or 3 years here at KSU, get fired, and have to blow Huggins for a gig at WVU.  

I'b be pissed if I were Frank too. He's no dummy. He knows this ride is coming to an end.

I think the now that pullen is gone talking point is ridic. funny.

I didn't see anything in there that mentioned pullen leaving?  
And he isn't necessarily reloading the talent pool here either.

agree with doom.

Well, instead of "Pullen is gone" let's use...  Pullen, Kelly, Judge, Clemente, and whoever else he has/will run off are gone and being replaced with three freshman and a sex addict from New York.  The point is... the talent pool appears to be dwindling.

What the eff are you talking about, seriously shut up.  When you replace seniors with freshmen of course it appears that the talent is getting worse.  eff man no one thought Jacob Pullen was going to be better than Cartier Martin.  The stupidity of your post pisses me off.  rough ridin' Wally Judge sucked, it wont be hard for either freshman big to out produce him.

MIR you just said the same thing.  We are replacing proven talent and experience with un-proven talent with no-experience.  What did I say that has you so butt hurt?  I like you MIR.  Please don't PI me.

No we didn't say the same thing, he's replacing seniors with freshmen, the same thing he's done every single year he's coached.  Literally every single college coach in every single sport is doing the same thing.  Why do you feel the need to point it out as a weakness?

[The1BigWillie]

Beems is on the money here.  Frank sees the writing on the wall.  The recruits he needs to compete in this league aren't coming to KSU and his stock now that Pullen is gone will only drop.  The time to get out is now and he knows it.  He assumed when this cac went down with Haith to Miami he could just roll out of here and get a fresh start with zero expectations. He'd be home making millions enjoying the cac out of life while he re-built a program.  He would get a minimum of 5 years down there and if cac didn't pan out he could just pass the buck on "nobody gives a cac about basketball down here" and probably go land a good job or assistant job somewhere.  As it stands he is probably going to get his cac kicked in for 2 or 3 years here at KSU, get fired, and have to blow Huggins for a gig at WVU.  

I'b be pissed if I were Frank too. He's no dummy. He knows this ride is coming to an end.

I think the now that pullen is gone talking point is ridic. funny.

I didn't see anything in there that mentioned pullen leaving?  
And he isn't necessarily reloading the talent pool here either.

agree with doom.

Well, instead of "Pullen is gone" let's use...  Pullen, Kelly, Judge, Clemente, and whoever else he has/will run off are gone and being replaced with three freshman and a sex addict from New York.  The point is... the talent pool appears to be dwindling.

What the eff are you talking about, seriously shut up.  When you replace seniors with freshmen of course it appears that the talent is getting worse.  eff man no one thought Jacob Pullen was going to be better than Cartier Martin.  The stupidity of your post pisses me off.  rough ridin' Wally Judge sucked, it wont be hard for either freshman big to out produce him.

MIR you just said the same thing.  We are replacing proven talent and experience with un-proven talent with no-experience.  What did I say that has you so butt hurt?  I like you MIR.  Please don't PI me.

No we didn't say the same thing, he's replacing seniors with freshmen, the same thing he's done every single year he's coached.  Literally every single college coach in every single sport is doing the same thing.  Why do you feel the need to point it out as a weakness?

Ok.  I guess what I'm saying is despite some of the stats _Fan posted regarding what we have returning compared to other years, I feel that we are returning less this year than we have since we lost Beas/Walker.  The difference being we felt good about having Judge/McGrudes/Kelly on the way and Clemente running the show.  I'm a bit concerned with our immediate future (2011/2012) given what we are losing and what we appear to be returning/recruiting.  Is that a fair enough assesment? 

[sys]

No we didn't say the same thing, he's replacing seniors with freshmen, the same thing he's done every single year he's coached.  Literally every single college coach in every single sport is doing the same thing.  Why do you feel the need to point it out as a weakness?

i wish he'd replace seniors with freshmen, that usually works out really well.  the replacing sophomores with juniors part is what sucks.

[yoga-like_abana]

No we didn't say the same thing, he's replacing seniors with freshmen, the same thing he's done every single year he's coached.  Literally every single college coach in every single sport is doing the same thing.  Why do you feel the need to point it out as a weakness?

i wish he'd replace seniors with freshmen, that usually works out really well.  the replacing sophomores with juniors part is what sucks.

But then his "well we have one of the youngest teams in this league" talking point would be taken away.

[sys]

But then his "well we have one of the youngest teams in this league" talking point would be taken away.

2011-2012 martin - "we have 6 first year guys, and nino didn't play last year, that's over half our team that has never played a minute in the big 12"

 

[pissclams]

the guy (marty) screwed up didn't play this hand very well.  who cares.  /thread

[MakeItRain]

No we didn't say the same thing, he's replacing seniors with freshmen, the same thing he's done every single year he's coached.  Literally every single college coach in every single sport is doing the same thing.  Why do you feel the need to point it out as a weakness?

i wish he'd replace seniors with freshmen, that usually works out really well.  the replacing sophomores with juniors part is what sucks.

Well the 2nd & 3rd best players he had were juniors replacing sophomores.  Really outside of Freddy and that stiff from Hutch his transfers haven't been horrible.