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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: steve dave on February 27, 2017, 10:32:20 AM
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2/27/2017
Fired? Nope
Why? John Currie maybe on vacation or something?
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he should have been fired by halftime of the ou game, vacation is no excuse with cell phones everywhere now a days
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Maybe he won't get fired?
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Waiting to see if we win the NCAAs.
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Sadly it won't be until we lose our opening round game Wednesday in the Big 12 tourney. Currie's ineptitude will give him the benefit of the doubt up until that point...which I bet we lose @TCU and at home in front of a half packed Bramlage against Tech on Senior day.
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Sadly it won't be until we lose our opening round game Wednesday in the Big 12 tourney. Currie's ineptitude will give him the benefit of the doubt up until that point...which I bet we lose @TCU and at home in front of a half packed Bramlage against Tech on Senior day.
I really don't care when he's fired, it doesn't matter that much. For a program like ours, firing before the end of the season could actually be detrimental to the process IMO. Either way, I don't think it matters that much except to us fans who want the coach gone.
The real issue is whether or not Currie has started the process behind the scenes like any competent AD would do at this point. He should be going through back channels to talk to agents, etc. about level of interest.
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Worse thing that could happen (I say that hesitantly, because I want to make the NCAA's) is oscar winning the next 2 games and then one in the tourney.
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TBH I didn't like the way Wooly was fired. Almost the most small timey thing we've done.
I wouldn't care if Oscar got broken off that way.
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Who's the decider?
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TBH I didn't like the way Wooly was fired. Almost the most small timey thing we've done.
I wouldn't care if Oscar got broken off that way.
Assuming we don't do what needs done to get to the NCAAs (which we won't), I want him fired before he gets to the locker room and the replacement announced less than 24 hours later just to drive home the point that he was a dead man walking for a while. Of course, I'm a Currie hater at this point too (probably unustified to a large degree, but whatevs), so I'd like them to help each other pack and move.
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Guys, I'm flying in for the Big 12 tourney. If oscar gets fired while I'm there, let's crush beers together and I'll buy a mind erasing amount of shots for every one.
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Looks like March 9th is starting to turn into a crappy day in the history of oscar's life. Fired from Illinois on March 9th. If things play out and we are playing on Wednesday in the Big12 tournament and lose, the next day is also March 9th.
Circle of life.
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2/27/2017
Fired? Nope
Why? John Currie maybe on vacation or something?
I dont understand the beef with oscar . Give the man a chance !!! If things continue for another 5 or 6 years then its time to chop some heads.... :'bye cruel world: :'bye cruel world: oscar is such a nice a guy
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2/27/2017
Fired? Nope
Why? John Currie maybe on vacation or something?
I dont understand the beef with oscar . Give the man a chance !!! If things continue for another 5 or 6 years then its time to chop some heads.... :'bye cruel world: :'bye cruel world: oscar is such a nice a guy
Who invited this guy?
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I'm gonna laugh and also maybe cry when Oscar isn't fired
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2/27/2017
Fired? Nope
Why? John Currie maybe on vacation or something?
I dont understand the beef with oscar . Give the man a chance !!! If things continue for another 5 or 6 years then its time to chop some heads.... :'bye cruel world: :'bye cruel world: oscar is such a nice a guy
I felt the same way about Turner Gill and the other hefty coach you had that's name was not Mangino... cannot remember his name now.
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http://jugofsnyder.com/2017/02/27/kansas-state-basketball-hot-seat/ (http://jugofsnyder.com/2017/02/27/kansas-state-basketball-hot-seat/)
Whether you love him or not, coach oscar Weber has won a lot of basketball games. He may be on the hot seat in Manhattan but it may not be time to make a coaching change.
First of all, some believe oscar Weber’s Wildcats exceeded expectations this season.
Kansas State started strong with a 12-1 mark entering conference play. Only a 1 point loss to a tough Maryland team kept them from a perfect record.
As a result, the Associated Press recognized Kansas State for their hot start with 4 votes in the December 12, poll.
Also, the December 19, AP poll included the ‘Cats- with one vote.
Maybe fans should consider the national attention? Although it’s not huge, it certainly looked good at the time.
In October, coaches picked the Wildcats to finish 9th in the ten-team Big 12. By comparison, the same poll predicted Texas and their big-time talent to finish third.
oscar Weber’s team is currently sitting tied for 6th with two games to play. Shaka Smart’s Longhorns are tied for the Big 12’s basement.
Since Texas underperformed, maybe Smart should be on the hot seat rather than Weber?
The Wildcats play in the toughest conference in the country with an incredibly difficult round-robin schedule.
Ken Pomeroy, the guru who tracks college basketball strength of schedules and more keeps telling fans how good the basketball is in the Big 12..
Follow
Ken Pomeroy ? @kenpomeroy
Not only is the Big 12 the best conference, but it's the most exciting. 37% of games decided by 3 pts or less or in OT. No conference close.
5:25 PM - 25 Feb 2017
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It is especially important for fans to remember Weber picked up a milestone career victory this season. On December 6, Weber earned the 400th win of his coaching career when the ‘Cats beat Prairie View 74-55. There is something to be said for his experience.
Coach Weber knows how to win. Due to injury and other factors we have seen few wins in February. Fans are understandably angry. They expected much more from this senior class. Did they expected too much.
Finally, fans didn’t like Kansas State Athletic Director John Currie’s choice to replace Frank Martin.
Did you know Martin has not taken a team to the NCAA tournament since his final year at Kansas State? His team went to NIT last season. They lost in the 2nd round.
It will be fascinating to see how Weber’s ‘Cats finish the regular season. Stay tuned.
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I'm sold! Whip out the napkin Currie.
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did they expected too much
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https://twitter.com/swunruh
yeesh pretty low bar to write for the jug
bunch of ku posts and apparently follows some creepy swinger thing on twitter
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How can you criticize Frank for going to the NIT last year when KSU wasn't even invited?
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Looks like March 9th is starting to turn into a crappy day in the history of oscar's life. Fired from Illinois on March 9th. If things play out and we are playing on Wednesday in the Big12 tournament and lose, the next day is also March 9th.
Circle of life.
March 9th is Mrs. DMartin's birthday. She probably wouldn't enjoy that present as much as I would, but she'd still be happy.
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Worse thing that could happen (I say that hesitantly, because I want to make the NCAA's) is oscar winning the next 2 games and then one in the tourney.
Wow, I hate to think of the probability of that happening. The agony of watching yet another men's BB team giving up on oscar. Even my KU friends were expressing sympathy for the spectacle that took place in Norman on Saturday.
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I bet they have to wait until the Monday after the NCAA selection Sunday, but I am really looking forward to SD's daily updates and insights into possible causes of delays in the process.
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Maybe he is trying to.think of.a.creative way to.do it.
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I think a video on the jumbotron would be amazing. Maybe Trump saying you're fired. Them everyone throws chicken nuggets at him. I'll give him a hug on the way out to console him because I can't fathom how much that would suck.
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Or have the new coach just escort him from the bench and take his seat.
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I think they keep him around for senior day, whack him on Sunday
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Nice opinion article, Pete
http://www.kstatecollegian.com/2017/02/27/letter-to-the-editor-k-state-basketball-is-a-dumpster-fire/
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For a program like ours, firing before the end of the season could actually be detrimental to the process IMO.
how so?
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TBH I didn't like the way Wooly was fired. Almost the most small timey thing we've done.
I wouldn't care if Oscar got broken off that way.
Small timely? He was given a benchmark and didn't reach it.
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For a program like ours, firing before the end of the season could actually be detrimental to the process IMO.
how so?
It's probably not a big deal, but some coaches (and possible candidates) don't like it.
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Nice opinion article, Pete
http://www.kstatecollegian.com/2017/02/27/letter-to-the-editor-k-state-basketball-is-a-dumpster-fire/
Different Pete!
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Looks like March 9th is starting to turn into a crappy day in the history of oscar's life. Fired from Illinois on March 9th. If things play out and we are playing on Wednesday in the Big12 tournament and lose, the next day is also March 9th.
Circle of life.
March 9th is Mrs. DMartin's birthday. She probably wouldn't enjoy that present as much as I would, but she'd still be happy.
My birthday as well. There are a couple of things I'd like more for my birthday, but that would certainly make for a better day.
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Maybe fans should consider the national attention?
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Still not fired. Wonder if he has been camping out at Curries waking up every day and making him breakfast, doing his laundry stuff like that.
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Still not fired. Wonder if he has been camping out at Curries waking up every day and making him breakfast, doing his laundry stuff like that.
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I'm thinking he's been holed up in his bedroom, staring into the mirror Stuart Smalley style, reaffirming his positive qualities.
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Not fired.... Why not?
No AD to fire him??
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Not fired.... Why not?
No AD to fire him??
SD will update
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oh go take a ride on a moped
;)
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TBH I didn't like the way Wooly was fired. Almost the most small timey thing we've done.
I wouldn't care if Oscar got broken off that way.
Small timely? He was given a benchmark and didn't reach it.
Zero issue with him being broken off, and as most, I think, agree, a year too late.
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oh go take a ride on a moped
;)
YOU HEARTLESS SON OF A BITCH!
No, I just meant I am anxiously awaiting an SD update
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2/28/17: no, still not fired
why not?: our shitty AD is gone and we haven't hired the new good one yet
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Maybe fans should consider the national attention?
Dunno about you 33 but I can and do remember every team receiving votes for as far back as I can remember. Hell, I don't even waste my time with the top 25 I just go straight to the important ones... The RVs. You can't buy that kind of publicity
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2/28/17: no, still not fired
why not?: our shitty AD is gone and we haven't hired the new good one yet
You guys!
:billdance:
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2/28/17: no, still not fired
why not?: our shitty AD is gone and we haven't hired the new good one yet
You guys!
:billdance:
Your back! I was beginning to think Trump had you deported.
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https://twitter.com/DScottFritchen/status/836671600879616002
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could it be happening already?
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Gosh I hope so. That'd be a pretty boss move by Laird.
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Gosh I hope so. That'd be a pretty boss move by Laird.
He would definitely have my attention
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Helping John pack.
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Yes indeed. Maybe it was a token of good will from Currie. To let him can oscar his first day acting AD and be in a spot to keep the job.
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Helping John pack.
It's like a bad sitcom where oscar is meekly handing his dad, JC, stuff who is being kicked out of the home for cheating with Sheila his secretary. Currie is having to explain that it's not his fault when deep down inside JC knows oscar's constant need for mothering, weird speech tutor appointments, and a host of other doctors and therapists meant there wasn't enough time for daddy JC and momma KSU could work on their relationship.
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I can't wait for AD Weber to come in and eff up our assist AD's names during his first address as the new AD
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2/28/17: no, still not fired
why not?: our shitty AD is gone and we haven't hired the new good one yet
You guys!
:billdance:
Your back! I was beginning to think Trump had you deported.
I have a Coyote hook up now, if you ever need it.
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Fitz on whether oscar actually knows Kellis' or DScott's name from a twitter string. (since I know most of you are blocked).
Tim Fitzgerald? @LifeofFitz 6m6 minutes ago
He makes personal connections about as well as a Ford Taurus.
Wow.
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T-Y, fwn
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checking this thread has given me more reason to get to bbs'ing early in the morning. ty for timely updates.
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hopefully tommorrow
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can someone help me out with the oscar lean back gif with the ref?
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Fitz on whether oscar actually knows Kellis' or DScott's name from a twitter string. (since I know most of you are blocked).
Tim Fitzgerald? @LifeofFitz 6m6 minutes ago
He makes personal connections about as well as a Ford Taurus.
Wow.
that was my pt saturday. you work with guys for 5 years and don't even know there names, jeesh.
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Nice opinion article, Pete
http://www.kstatecollegian.com/2017/02/27/letter-to-the-editor-k-state-basketball-is-a-dumpster-fire/
Different Pete!
Our Pete would never write a letter to the Ed with me co-signing
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3/2/17: nope still
Why not: general myers busy with hocutt woo'ing?
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GUYS today HAS to be the day right?
:driving: :ksu: :cheers:
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It's still not happening til our loss Wednesday, or Thursday depending on how tomorrow goes.
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Anyone remember if Woolridge was allowed back on the bus after getting canned at the tournament? Did he have to catch a cab?
That kid of firing would be glorious for 'ol Weber
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Anyone remember if Woolridge was allowed back on the bus after getting canned at the tournament? Did he have to catch a cab?
That kid of firing would be glorious for 'ol Weber
he was fired in the tunnel only seconds after the buzzer sounded - before he spoke to the team in the locker room and still did the post game radio show so I would hope he got a ride home from Dallas
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Anyone remember if Woolridge was allowed back on the bus after getting canned at the tournament? Did he have to catch a cab?
That kid of firing would be glorious for 'ol Weber
he was fired in the tunnel only seconds after the buzzer sounded - before he spoke to the team in the locker room and still did the post game radio show so I would hope he got a ride home from Dallas
I also vaguely recall a rumor he was not allowed to ride home with the team but I don't think that's true, at least I hope not.
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He came home with the team.
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He came home with the team.
It would be ridiculous if he didn't.
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I still don't believe there is anyway they have the courage to fire him if they make the tournament. We won't know anything until the Monday after selection Sunday, at the earliest, IMO.
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If Brad was still at SFA oscar would need a Sweet Sixteen to save his job imo but without a slam dunk hire I think he survives.
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I would imagine we are putting out feelers with the very few number of realistic hires that would be considered a definite upgrade. If they're not interested I imagine we have oscar next year.
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3/2/17: still nope
Why not: signature victory of shitty TCU or some crap?
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I just hope the General keeps this thread going thru the op's day drinking window
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someone take over while I'm in disney world this week. hopefully only need to do like 3 days and we can close it out. tia.
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The sun is up but gloom, dead squirrels, mangled birds, squished butterflies, and happy smiley possum face oscar still is here. Professor SteveDave could Mickey Mouse be in the AD office instead of Disneyland?
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If oscar is down at half I will fire him before he can come out of the tunnel
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If oscar is down at half I will fire him before he can come out of the tunnel
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Put him out to pasture, Greg.
*not sure if "out to pasture" is a cow or horse thing
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If oscar is down at half I will fire him before he can come out of the tunnel
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At the very least, drop your sblhorts, hang the shineyhiney over the rail, and drop an organic brown bomb on oscar while mooing.
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Well said.
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Don't do anything that's gonna preclude you from getting to schemePAK, Greg.
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Greg??
https://twitter.com/mellinger/status/838090682761887744
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Greg??
https://twitter.com/mellinger/status/838090682761887744
It wasn't me but I can confirm that was the same goon that took my mask last week.
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Oh crap!! Oscar has goons? Do they come to Reno County? Yow thats right .......keep Weber. This explains a lot why oscar remains, the weiner mafia.
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This pretty much locks oscar into another contract
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Riley_Gates/status/838178937175957504
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jfc burn him alive
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https://twitter.com/Riley_Gates/status/838178937175957504
:buh-bye:
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Lol, all the more reason to can him
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good for him. a man has to defend himself.
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Sounds like a sales pitch to his next employer.
http://cjonline.com/sports/catzone/columns/2017-03-04/kevin-haskin-has-oscar-weber-exhausted-all-his-cat-lives-s-good (http://cjonline.com/sports/catzone/columns/2017-03-04/kevin-haskin-has-oscar-weber-exhausted-all-his-cat-lives-s-good)
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https://twitter.com/Riley_Gates/status/838178157765214209
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that cancer vs wins quote is awe-inspiring. i hope cats everywhere fight for what's important to them.
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He definitely feels heat. Who knows how real it is.
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http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article136526003.html
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Oh man oscar!
“Why do we have traffic lights? If we didn’t have traffic lights, everybody would run into each other. If you have rules, you have rules. You can have strike one, strike two. You try, maybe there’s a foul ball or two, but eventually you have to have rules.”
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Reading that literally ruined my night. I can buy letting him coach next year but why on earth would they extend him.
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https://twitter.com/Riley_Gates/status/838178157765214209
K-State sports gots lots of cancer problems at this point
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Oh man oscar!
“Why do we have traffic lights? If we didn’t have traffic lights, everybody would run into each other. If you have rules, you have rules. You can have strike one, strike two. You try, maybe there’s a foul ball or two, but eventually you have to have rules.”
Holy crap! What the eff does that even mean?
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This has has a great chance to zoom post the cigars thread in terms of length.
The only question is if goEMAW will be around long enough. I doubt it will.
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How can you fire such a great guy? Just does it the k-state way. oscar can have as many strikes as the opening scene of Mr. Baseball does IMO
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He's under contract through '19. Please tell me they won't extend beyond that if the somehow squeak into the tourney. Is it that uncommon to coach with 2 years left?
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Each practice starts with a quote on the whiteboard, and Weber has chosen this one from Rockefeller specifically: I do not think that there is any other quality so essential to success of any kind as the quality of perseverance. It overcomes almost everything
:facepalm: Taking a page from the Turner Gill coaching book.
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He definitely feels heat. Who knows how real it is.
His schedule was the first indicator that he felt heat as early as last April but the gE echo chamber chose to see that differently.
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Fired: No
Why not: People who are in charge of making the decisions are maybe still idiots?
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I just hate oscar so, so much.
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Oh man oscar!
“Why do we have traffic lights? If we didn’t have traffic lights, everybody would run into each other. If you have rules, you have rules. You can have strike one, strike two. You try, maybe there’s a foul ball or two, but eventually you have to have rules.”
Same article.
“Yeah, well, rules are meant to be broken,” he says.
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He's so oscar. This would all be so fun if he was winning a lot.
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http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article136526003.html
enjoyed this in the comments: "This reads like Weber brought Mellenger a plate of cookies before the piece was published."
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I will rough ridin' riot with an extension -- well anything less than his canning, really. It's like giving a mountain climber more carabiners when all he's does is edge sideways on a cliff.
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It's like giving a mountain climber more carabiners when all he's does is edge sideways on a cliff.
Finally, an analogy everyone can relate to.
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Mizzou needs oscar Weber.
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http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article136526003.html
enjoyed this in the comments: "This reads like Weber brought Mellenger a plate of cookies before the piece was published."
You're welcome.
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So we're back to Weber running of Foster and not Currie? This narrative changes every day.
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He apparently tells himself that he's the best thing to happen to Purdue, Illinois, that small school he was at, and K-State. I'll admit he's done some good things in his career. To deny that is hater level 10. But still, to gloss over his overall "averageness" with his high points is unreal.
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He'd be great at mizzou.
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SteveDave is it acceptable to get an old copy of Mizzouboy out of the closet and fantasize about coachies being released? It is kind of exciting getting a new coach. We may have to live vicariously through Missouri.
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So we're back to Weber running of Foster and not Currie? This narrative changes every day.
I really dgaf about either of those right now as it relates to who ran off whom. I just want Weber gone. That's all.
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fitz nails it:
"So, it may come down to Thursday’s game with Baylor. Win and K-State is in the NCAA Tournament and Weber is likely back for a sixth season in Manhattan. Lose and K-State may be in, but maybe not. And Weber may or may not survive to coach again.
Either outcome feels so very oscar Weber."
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That's a very authoritative sounding "I don't know."
Feels so very Fitz.
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After OU I thought there was no doubt.
But now with Currie gone and the recent "success", I've just resigned myself to accepting he'll be back. If he's gone it will be a nice surprise. Actually an Altman type situation seems more likely than a Wooly at this point.
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there's no chance in hell that oscar walks away from this powerball ticket. as far as the altman situ, that was a Wefald-AD driven decision and we don't have either of those right now.
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there's no chance in hell that oscar walks away from this powerball ticket. as far as the altman situ, that was a Wefald-AD driven decision and we don't have either of those right now.
Good point.
I don't think he would drop down a level like Altman, but he could take the lateral route if he thinks a better situation is out there.
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Missouri would be a great job for him, really prove the haters wrong by building up a crap program instead of destroying a good one
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He could probably be the Larry Brown of taking crap programs and turning them into off the bubble teams that are more attractive to better coaches
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So basically we just need Baylor to win by 20+
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i need baylor -1
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there's no chance in hell that oscar walks away from this powerball ticket. as far as the altman situ, that was a Wefald-AD driven decision and we don't have either of those right now.
Good point.
I don't think he would drop down a level like Altman, but he could take the lateral route if he thinks a better situation is out there.
Coaches leave town before the posse gets to them all of the time, it's becoming more and more common each season. Is there something different about oscar than these other coaches I am not seeing? Does he not have an agent?
As far as his fate with the administration goes, I think his fate, either way, was decided with Currie. His boss and his next in command are now in charge and I'd be stunned if neither of these guys had conversations with Currie while he was still here. I don't think Weber' s evaluation got a reset last Tuesday.
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i need baylor -1
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oscar's last other option was the college of charleston, does he have better options now then he did then? no. he doesn't. so unless he's decided that he feels like screwing himself out of millions of dollars, my guess is that he stays put and keeps cashing our paychecks.
then you also have to consider his lack of responsibility for the results his team has produced. nothing that's occurred is his fault and i'm sure he's confident in his ability to turn things around here.
oscar will not leave mhk on his own terms
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oscar's last other option was the college of charleston, does he have better options now then he did then? no. he doesn't. so unless he's decided that he feels like screwing himself out of millions of dollars, my guess is that he stays put and keeps cashing our paychecks.
then you also have to consider his lack of responsibility for the results his team has produced. nothing that's occurred is his fault and i'm sure he's confident in his ability to turn things around here.
oscar will not leave mhk on his own terms
Agreed
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oscar's last other option was the college of charleston, does he have better options now then he did then? no. he doesn't. so unless he's decided that he feels like screwing himself out of millions of dollars, my guess is that he stays put and keeps cashing our paychecks.
then you also have to consider his lack of responsibility for the results his team has produced. nothing that's occurred is his fault and i'm sure he's confident in his ability to turn things around here.
oscar will not leave mhk on his own terms
Agreed
Yeah, forget me even making that point, you guys pretty much took it apart.
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Hey!
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oscar's last other option was the college of charleston, does he have better options now then he did then? no. he doesn't. so unless he's decided that he feels like screwing himself out of millions of dollars, my guess is that he stays put and keeps cashing our paychecks.
then you also have to consider his lack of responsibility for the results his team has produced. nothing that's occurred is his fault and i'm sure he's confident in his ability to turn things around here.
oscar will not leave mhk on his own terms
Agreed
Yeah, forget me even making that point, you guys pretty much took it apart.
If was very _FWN to have optimism regarding a situation.
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Oh the fun of it all. Now I am reading veiled threats about young players leaving if oscar is weinered. I worry about players leaving if he stays.
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So basically we just need Baylor to win by 20+
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and since we're such a jeykll and hyde hissy fit of unpredicatbility...I fully expect that we'll either inexplicably shoot lights out, or can't buy a bucket.
Go Baylor! (it's for the best)
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I really wish I could understand what side of the _fence bookcat was on.
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Go Baylor! (it's for the best)
Seems pretty clear to me :dunno:
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:ROFL:
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Kellis Robinett, "Acting athletic director Laird Veatch said Saturday he will work in concert with university president Richard Myers when it comes time to make a decision on Weber, but he plans to wait until after the season to evaluate the basketball team." Kind of.denuts the notion Woscar will get another year because there is no AD in place to can him
Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article137002153.html#storylink=cpy
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Well yeah. Some people have been saying that.
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I don't think that statement from Veatch means a whole lot. It's not like he's going to come out and say "Yeah, oscar is safe for another year because, as the interim AD, I'm not allowed to can him".
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He could probably be the Larry Brown of taking crap programs and turning them into off the bubble teams that are more attractive to better coaches
So Tubby Smith?
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He could probably be the Larry Brown of taking crap programs and turning them into off the bubble teams that are more attractive to better coaches
So Tubby Smith?
Basically. Except Tubby was able to close the deal with Pitino's players.
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Conditions for oscar to be fired:
1) Lose to Baylor (70%)
2) Miss the tournament (75% if Baylor loss)
3) New AD hired in the next 3 weeks (20%)
Gives him about an 11% chance of being fired IMO. This is going to be a long thread.
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Conditions for oscar to be fired:
1) Lose to Baylor (70%)
2) Miss the tournament (75% if Baylor loss)
3) New AD hired in the next 3 weeks (20%)
Gives him about an 11% chance of being fired IMO. This is going to be a long thread.
This looks accurate.
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Baylor sucks
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Dear Sir/Ma'am,
We regret to inform you from the office of "Big XII Conference Tournament Play" have rejected your request for oscar Weber to be publicly fired.
Regards,
Big XII Commish.
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I still would not be suprised if Oscar takes another job.
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I think oscar thinks if he starts winning, we will accept him. Well, jokes on him, I will never like you loser!
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eff it, team oscar. I'm ready to accept the awkward losing and the unexpected wins we pull out of our asses
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Lol JK, I can't handle this crap
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Nice play oscar drew up there
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come here you bad person!
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Don't let him come back to Manhattan. JFC
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Dear Selection Committee,
Please don't choose us.
Your friend,
fun muffin
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Lol JK, I can't handle this crap
I have this same internal dialogue every time the cats play.
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I take solace in the fact that oscar can't develop talent, it has to catch up with him at some point. Stokes, Brown, and Wade are not really better players than they were a year ago. Their stats got padded by a CRAZY easy non-con, but they've been dogshit for the most part during conference play. Wade is actually scoring less and rebounding less than last year. The fact that the group of players that he used to campaign to keep his job last year is not getting better should be raising some red flags with people in the AD.
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Brad's wife this weekend at the Phillips: "He wants to be back in purple really badly" (prob not direct quote but something really like that)
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People that want to be KSU Cats coaches put escape clauses in their contracts like Leavitt, not $6 million buyouts.
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People that want to be KSU Cats coaches put escape clauses in their contracts like Leavitt, not $6 million buyouts.
Bro, that's Oklahoma State protecting themselves. You think he's going to say no to that clause when he was pretty vocal about really wanting that job? I am interested to see what that buy out is going to look like when they renegotiate his contract after OSU gets eliminated. Remember, that buy out is for conference schools only. He's the lowest paid coach in the Big 12, his agent's phone will ring, if it hasn't already.
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Yeah, low-major coaches don't have a whole lot of bargaining power in regard to their first P5 contract. I think the fact that they know he would be so inclined to take the K-State job is why that buyout exists. It assuredly will not exist in that form when he renegotiates. If K-State plays its cards right, Brad will coach at K-State some day. I have no real reason to believe we'll play our cards right though.
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If the past is any indicator, K-State will NOT play their cards right.
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Grapefruit, what would be your idea of k-state playing its cards right? Just curious about different scenarios.
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Groce is done. http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18884729/john-groce-fired-illinois-head-coach-five-seasons
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Grapefruit, what would be your idea of k-state playing its cards right? Just curious about different scenarios.
If we hire an AD that isn't a total dumbass, is willing to grovel a little, and commits financially to basketball it shouldn't be an issue. None of the athletic directors in my lifetime would have ticked all those boxes though.
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Grapefruit, what would be your idea of k-state playing its cards right? Just curious about different scenarios.
If we hire an AD that isn't a total dumbass, is willing to grovel a little, and commits financially to basketball it shouldn't be an issue. None of the athletic directors in my lifetime would have ticked all those boxes though.
So you're saying pay OSU's Underwood buyout?
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I mean, when he renegotiates his contract there won't a $6 million buyout anymore. I'm assuming the new buyout will be manageable. So yes, we should buy him out.
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How much room does Underwood have to renegotiate when they already have him on the hook for a $6 million buyout?
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How much room does Underwood have to renegotiate when they already have him on the hook for a $6 million buyout?
Well there are like a bagillion schools outside of the big12
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How much room does Underwood have to renegotiate when they already have him on the hook for a $6 million buyout?
Well there are like a bagillion schools outside of the big12
Also worth noting that they are paying him well below his value. I think his off-season has the potential to be as crazy as oscar's, but right now there isn't an open job appreciably better than OSU. They are losing Evans, Forte, and Hammons but returning Carroll, Averette, and Solomon.
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People that want to be KSU Cats coaches put escape clauses in their contracts like Leavitt, not $6 million buyouts.
Bro, that's Oklahoma State protecting themselves. You think he's going to say no to that clause when he was pretty vocal about really wanting that job? I am interested to see what that buy out is going to look like when they renegotiate his contract after OSU gets eliminated. Remember, that buy out is for conference schools only. He's the lowest paid coach in the Big 12, his agent's phone will ring, if it hasn't already.
I didn't realize that was just for B12 programs. Glad he has some negotiating power.
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People that want to be KSU Cats coaches put escape clauses in their contracts like Leavitt, not $6 million buyouts.
Bro, that's Oklahoma State protecting themselves. You think he's going to say no to that clause when he was pretty vocal about really wanting that job? I am interested to see what that buy out is going to look like when they renegotiate his contract after OSU gets eliminated. Remember, that buy out is for conference schools only. He's the lowest paid coach in the Big 12, his agent's phone will ring, if it hasn't already.
I didn't realize that was just for B12 programs. Glad he has some negotiating power.
That buyout was put in place for us. OSU knew oscar's situation too.
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How much room does Underwood have to renegotiate when they already have him on the hook for a $6 million buyout?
Well there are like a bagillion schools outside of the big12
Also worth noting that they are paying him well below his value. I think his off-season has the potential to be as crazy as oscar's, but right now there isn't an open job appreciably better than OSU. They are losing Evans, Forte, and Hammons but returning Carroll, Averette, and Solomon.
Brad needs to walk around Stillwater decked head to toe in Illini gear non-stop
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Any truth to this?
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I don't believe it. $8.5 Mil is a lot of money. That sounds like mostly talk to me.
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Throwing that kind of money out to get Brad just feels like paying a premium for a K-State alum. While I would much rather have Brad than oscar and the donors can spend their money how they like, I don't think it's the best use of the money.
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Offering K-State money to buy out Brad when they could have just picked him up for free last year is just stupid.
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Throwing that kind of money out to get Brad just feels like paying a premium for a K-State alum. While I would much rather have Brad than oscar and the donors can spend their money how they like, I don't think it's the best use of the money.
I agree. Like that could be three or four years of Fred Hoiberg salary.
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having made a mistake last year is not a good reason not fix that mistake now. and maybe the osu a.d. will finally just retire.
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I wanted Brad but $8.5m isn't worth it
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What the hell is wrong with you people. It's not like it's your money.
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It's not like it's your money.
kstaters are so odd.
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What the hell is wrong with you people. It's not like it's your money.
It is though. K-State Athletics doesn't have an owner pumping money in, that money comes from the ticket holders and donors.
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having made a mistake last year is not a good reason not fix that mistake now. and maybe the osu a.d. will finally just retire.
It's maddening
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Trust me, what the donors are looking at/have seen is a TREMENDOUS amount of ($$) loss of both season ticket holders and alums buying single game tickets. Students are not a revenue source - they're mostly just noise and atmosphere. And that mostly has been happening steadily as Oscar has turned the vise but took a serious nosedive after the Brad Debacle. They are afraid of it happening again with greater "trajectory" next year if Oscar returns to the area outside the coaching box.
To see that not occur, they will pay.
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Dude, he's coming back. And for a while.
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Dude, he's coming back. And for a while.
:emawkid:
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Dude, he's coming back. And for a while.
For a while seems like pushing it. A new AD is going to want to hire his own guy, right?
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Stunz being a oscar fan is a bit surprising
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wish cbs had a camera on k st
i bet weber was crying
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For the next five years, I bet oscar pulls up this thread every few days and just smiles.
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No commitment to winning... So I can't commit to season tickets or a single penny in donations
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Stunz being a oscar fan is a bit surprising
i waved at him before and he waved back.
also he's beaten baylor twice and is 1 point worse than druggins. proven winner. his teams can perform extremely well and beat anyone, though they can also lose to anybody. high risk, high reward (ncaa runnerup!). at the very least he is way better than wooldridge.
looking back at his best season, it's surprising they did so well. had mcgruder, but who else? angel was garbage, henriquez barely played. that season was all oscar.
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No commitment to winning... So I can't commit to season tickets or a single penny in donations
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I'm done with hoops if he's back we are gonna be 10th next year
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I guess this means he is back next year....... :bawl:
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I guess this means he is back next year....... :bawl:
Not according to MIR.
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Fatfitz sez it isn't because of lack of cash, big money has over 6 mil ready to go.
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Of all the people to pull the "you got $6 million?" line it had to be Dave Dreiling's son?
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I guess this means he is back next year....... :bawl:
Not according to MIR.
I didn't say that, only that a NCAA bid doesn't equate to his job being safe.
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I guess this means he is back next year....... :bawl:
Not according to MIR.
I didn't say that, only that a NCAA bid doesn't equate to his job being safe.
Yep, just like what Fitz was saying today. :peek:
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Welp that's that
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https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/841858892862758912
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Yeah, he's gonna be back next year, as much as it pains me to say this.
The only thing that could change it is if they get blown out by Cincy.
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I don't see oscar getting outed at this point, even with a Cincy blowout. There are no Underwoods out there waiting to be snatched up. KSU isn't going to pay oscar's or anyone else's buyout with an interim AD and a BBall coach who already managed to avoid total meltdown.
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Yeah, he's gonna be back next year, as much as it pains me to say this.
The only thing that could change it is if they get blown out by Cincy.
Wes and DJamer will be gone next year. We will regress. I am disappointed that players don't seem.to developing very fast.
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Yeah, he's gonna be back next year, as much as it pains me to say this.
The only thing that could change it is if they get blown out by Cincy.
Wes and DJamer will be gone next year. We will regress. I am disappointed that players don't seem.to developing very fast.
Maurice will fill in well for DJamer. Sneed will be the next Westicles, and Patrick will be the next Sneed
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Meh. I'll be pretty reactionary about this. If a good coach gets hired on at a similar school, and we suck ass next year I'll be upset. But oscar just have KSU and win in March. I enjoyed that.
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He's going to beat cinci and then lose to ucla in some epic fashion. He's coming back, and I have some sneaking suspicion the loss of the crutches that are wes and DJamer will somehow make the team better. Like addition by subtraction only multiplication by subtraction of positives...basically game theory. #idiotsavant
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Maybe, but Wes and DJamer were really damn good tonight.
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#theweswasthefuture
OT: Any ever listen to Kid Dakota. That's where I got thewesisthfuture.
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You guys are really schizophrenic. I need up apologize to rusty, sys, and chingon; people are a lot more distractable than I thought.
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our guy oscar really mushed a lot of haters itt
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i still want him fired.
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i still want him fired.
:thumbsup:
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This is good.
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i still want him fired.
:thumbsup:
Me too as long as there's a decent replacement. But he's not getting fired, didn't think he was even before the win last night.
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There's no reasonable/affordable replacement right now. He's getting another year, guys. Sorry.
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There's no reasonable/affordable replacement right now. He's getting another year, guys. Sorry.
I don't agree that no reasonable or affordable replacement exists
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We're not over paying for Brad, it would be rough ridin' dumb. Keatts isn't a sure thing. Jank is a wild card. Frank is proving he's just good enough, etc. Give him another year and save some $. We're not this rough ridin' desperate right now. Especially when we're about to beat Cinci's ass and face UCLA in the round of 32.
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oscar has his initials monogrammed on the cuff. Alright then.
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oscar has his initials monogrammed on the cuff. Alright then.
He's tourney'd 3 out of 5 years. Frank was 4 out of 5 with Dalonte and Huggs players. I'd like to think we could be a consistent player in the tourney, but he doesn't deserve to be fired right now, as much as I hate the bad person. It would be a bad look, especially if you go get some wildcard as a head coach.
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oscar has his initials monogrammed on the cuff. Alright then.
He's tourney'd 3 out of 5 years. Frank was 4 out of 5 with Dalonte and Huggs players. I'd like to think we could be a consistent player in the tourney, but he doesn't deserve to be fired right now, as much as I hate the bad person. It would be a bad look, especially if you go get some wildcard as a head coach.
We're getting into a space of not firing him but also not extending him. Next season can be the make-break season. Plenty of questions still to answer about roster, player dev, and what the trajectory is here.
If oscar gets hired away, much of the fanbase is ok with it, and we're not out the $ to part ways. I don't care what the optics are of letting a marginal NCAA coach get away with a admin in place that may not have oscar's back long term.
I don't think he laterals to another HC job though.
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Yes, i'm totally fine with not extending him at this point. Wait it out.
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There's no reasonable/affordable replacement right now. He's getting another year, guys. Sorry.
What constitutes affordable if private money is paying for it?
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I think it was in reference to Brad
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And yes we don't need to be blowing 6 mil+ on Brad. By we I mean me. (Big donor)
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Paying $6 mill for a buyout is rough ridin' dumb. We'll also have to pay oscar out for the rest of his contract. I guess if you wanna go after a diamond in the rough in keatts you could get him cheap, but you don't know what you're going to get. Jank sucked before taking over larry's players, Marshall already makes 3 mill a year and is very hateble, Frank sucks without his guys, etc. You better know what the eff you're getting if you're firing oscar, because if you don't, it could get shittier. :dunno:
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I think oscar being fired at some time in the next twelve months would be good for the long-term health of the program. If he gets blown out against Cinci it would be perfectly justifiable to fire him this year. Play-in games don't count, and not winning a real tournament game in five years is plenty of ammo to fire a coach. Like other people said, we should be very sure of having what would be considered an upgrade before we send him packing.
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oscar gets another year, no question. But does oscar get a contract extension if he beats Cincy? I say maybe... :ohno:
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Yes, i'm totally fine with not extending him at this point. Wait it out.
What do you need to learn? He's been a coach for 20 years. Extend him or fire him. Regardless of this weekend's results.
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Even with a loss to Cincy I'd be comfortable keeping oscar 'till his contract ends, what's that another year or two? IMO, he could use some better assistants and I'd like to see this football hire garner all the attention it needs.
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Even with a loss to Cincy I'd be comfortable keeping oscar 'till his contract ends, what's that another year or two? IMO, he could use some better assistants and I'd like to see this football hire garner all the attention it needs.
Don't disagree about the better assts part but that and no contract extension don't play well. HC on the hot seat hire yielded Brad Korn.
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Yes, i'm totally fine with not extending him at this point. Wait it out.
What do you need to learn? He's been a coach for 20 years. Extend him or fire him. Regardless of this weekend's results.
True.
This is who oscar is...
2005–06 26–7 11–5 T–2nd NCAA Round of 32
2006–07 23–12 9–7 T–4th NCAA Round of 64
2007–08 16–19 5–13 T–9th
2008–09 24–10 11–7 T–2nd NCAA Round of 64
2009–10 21–15 10–8 5th NIT Quarterfinals
2010–11 20–14 9–9 T–4th NCAA Round of 32
2011–12 17–15 6–12 9th
2013–14 20–13 10–8 5th NCAA Round of 64
2014–15 15–17 8–10 T–6th
2015–16 17–16 5–13 8th
2016–17 21–13 8–10 6th NCAA Round of 64
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That looks so gross. Thanks for reminding me.
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_FAN you left out the big xii ship year
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oscar has his initials monogrammed on the cuff. Alright then.
He's tourney'd 3 out of 5 years. Frank was 4 out of 5
it's the 6 wins to 0 wins that really irks me (if you're going compare their two tenures)
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_FAN you left out the big xii ship year
I debated leaving out the 2nd year, but I gave him credit because the best player was his recruit. I took away his first 2 Illinois seasons because his best players were Self recruits. I was trying to show his P5 record with mostly his players. Its not awful, but its far from great.
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Since oscar isn't getting fired and will want/need an extension, offer one but only with a reduced buyout.
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is it time for ksu to be innovative and consider a negative buyout?
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Yes, i'm totally fine with not extending him at this point. Wait it out.
What do you need to learn? He's been a coach for 20 years. Extend him or fire him. Regardless of this weekend's results.
He's a proven mediocre product. What is wrong with staying with oscar until someone is available who we know is better than mediocre? There is some logic to making sure you are not taking a step back even if it is at the cost of not immediately taking a step forward.
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Yes, i'm totally fine with not extending him at this point. Wait it out.
What do you need to learn? He's been a coach for 20 years. Extend him or fire him. Regardless of this weekend's results.
He's a proven mediocre product. What is wrong with staying with oscar until someone is available who we know is better than mediocre? There is some logic to making sure you are not taking a step back even if it is at the cost of not immediately taking a step forward.
Then you extend and give him a full public vote of support to make sure he has the best chance to recruit.
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Then you extend and give him a full public vote of support to make sure he has the best chance to recruit.
The fanbase is always going to hate him. You don't get over Oscar-hate especially when it has been festering for 5 years. That will adversely affect recruiting, especially given his penchant for not being able to handle talent. To give him an extension will just be a waste of money.
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Pfffft no everyone won't always hate oscar. If, if he found a way to starting winning at an impressive clip he would become our lovable dork.
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Then you extend and give him a full public vote of support to make sure he has the best chance to recruit.
The fanbase is always going to hate him. You don't get over Oscar-hate especially when it has been festering for 5 years. That will adversely affect recruiting, especially given his penchant for not being able to handle talent. To give him an extension will just be a waste of money.
Then fire him no matter what happens this weekend
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Then you extend and give him a full public vote of support to make sure he has the best chance to recruit.
The fanbase is always going to hate him. You don't get over Oscar-hate especially when it has been festering for 5 years. That will adversely affect recruiting, especially given his penchant for not being able to handle talent. To give him an extension will just be a waste of money.
Then fire him no matter what happens this weekend
Hell yes.
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Yes, i'm totally fine with not extending him at this point. Wait it out.
What do you need to learn? He's been a coach for 20 years. Extend him or fire him. Regardless of this weekend's results.
He's a proven mediocre product. What is wrong with staying with oscar until someone is available who we know is better than mediocre? There is some logic to making sure you are not taking a step back even if it is at the cost of not immediately taking a step forward.
Then you extend and give him a full public vote of support to make sure he has the best chance to recruit.
do you guys who use this line of thinking realize how insane it sounds?
yeah man, i was totally going to sign at k-state until i learned that they haven't extended their coach and then i used reverse logic to figure out that they suck. that's when i realized the place wasn't for me, i want to win so i'm going somewhere else.
:lol:
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Bob Huggins, 2006:
"Why settle for 2nd when 1st is available?"
oscar Weber, 2016:
"Can we make the one or two plays we didn't make last year to be in the upper half of the league?"
oscar Weber, 2017:
"Can we make the one or two plays we didn't make last year to be in the upper half of the league?"
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Bob Huggins, 2006:
"Why settle for 2nd when 1st is available?"
oscar Weber, 2016:
"Can we make the one or two plays we didn't make last year to be in the upper half of the league?"
one of those coaches finished 1st and one of them finished 4th
but if selling motivational quotes to your fan base is the measurable that you're after, it's huggins in a landslide
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Bob Huggins, 2006:
"Why settle for 2nd when 1st is available?"
oscar Weber, 2016:
"Can we make the one or two plays we didn't make last year to be in the upper half of the league?"
one of those coaches finished 1st and one of them finished 4th
but if selling motivational quotes to your fan base is the measurable that you're after, it's huggins in a landslide
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Bob Huggins, 2006:
"Why settle for 2nd when 1st is available?"
oscar Weber, 2016:
"Can we make the one or two plays we didn't make last year to be in the upper half of the league?"
one of those coaches finished 1st and one of them finished 4th
but if selling motivational quotes to your fan base is the measurable that you're after, it's huggins in a landslide
yeah one of those coaches inherited a team with a PG
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Bob Huggins, 2006:
"Why settle for 2nd when 1st is available?"
oscar Weber, 2016:
"Can we make the one or two plays we didn't make last year to be in the upper half of the league?"
one of those coaches finished 1st and one of them finished 4th
but if selling motivational quotes to your fan base is the measurable that you're after, it's huggins in a landslide
yeah one of those coaches inherited a team with a PG
Say that to Clent Stewarts face you jerk.
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God, I did love me some Clent Stewart. :thumbs:
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Give him the most insulting extension offer ever.
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Give him the most insulting extension offer ever.
Any extension offer should come with a reduction to the buyout.
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i believe my guaranteed negative buyout scenario is what some of you are craving
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If oscar was smart, and he's not, and not narcissistic, which he is, he'd use the success at the end of this year to make a lateral move, maybe to a slightly worse program, where he's guaranteed more years. Missouri is the best example. But he's not. He thinks he can retire here, and if he makes it through next year he will.
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Yes, i'm totally fine with not extending him at this point. Wait it out.
What do you need to learn? He's been a coach for 20 years. Extend him or fire him. Regardless of this weekend's results.
He's a proven mediocre product. What is wrong with staying with oscar until someone is available who we know is better than mediocre? There is some logic to making sure you are not taking a step back even if it is at the cost of not immediately taking a step forward.
Then you extend and give him a full public vote of support to make sure he has the best chance to recruit.
do you guys who use this line of thinking realize how insane it sounds?
yeah man, i was totally going to sign at k-state until i learned that they haven't extended their coach and then i used reverse logic to figure out that they suck. that's when i realized the place wasn't for me, i want to win so i'm going somewhere else.
Then fire him
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he'll be 61 at the start of next season, screw the extension. we need a secession plan
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He needs extended. You wackadoos want to dish out 6 million for a guy that finished in 5th place in the Big 12.
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fitz and gpc were talking abt oscar reaching out to other jobs, particularly drake
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fitz and gpc were talking abt oscar reaching out to other jobs, particularly drake
yeah we definitely don't need to overpay or over extend that doofus
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oscar's player development is underrated. DJamer is now a stud, and wesley is almost a first rounder. just needs his players to stick. sneed/maurice/patrick with 3 more years of oscar, they're going to be very good. :excited:
even 2 more years, with the current sophmores, that's a solid 6 right there. :ksu:
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i still want him fired.
:thumbsup:
Me too as long as there's a decent replacement.
There's no reasonable/affordable replacement right now.
You guys know a job has to be vacant before you can find a replacement, right?
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i still want him fired.
Me too as long as there's a decent replacement.
There's no reasonable/affordable replacement right now.
You guys know a job has to be vacant before you can find a replacement, right?
I would expect most AD's at this level to have a pretty good idea of realistic, interested candidates without needing to have an actual opening.
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i'm starting to think that most AD's at this level are former athletic managers who decided to grind it out for 30 years post grad. which is to say they spent their college years cleaning locker rooms and shuttling athletes to and from their respective aggievilles. not sure the brain power involved in any of these activities including being an AD at this level.
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Even with a loss to Cincy I'd be comfortable keeping oscar 'till his contract ends, what's that another year or two? IMO, he could use some better assistants and I'd like to see this football hire garner all the attention it needs.
Don't disagree about the better assts part but that and no contract extension don't play well. HC on the hot seat hire yielded Brad Korn.
Can't disagree. I don't have the stomach to offer him an extension now, so he keeps his assistants. IF there is an extension offered it should come with a shitload of requirements.
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i'm starting to think that most AD's at this level are former athletic managers who decided to grind it out for 30 years post grad. which is to say they spent their college years cleaning locker rooms and shuttling athletes to and from their respective aggievilles. not sure the brain power involved in any of these activities including being an AD at this level.
Painting fences and waxing cars is how you learn karate.
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i still want him fired.
Me too as long as there's a decent replacement.
There's no reasonable/affordable replacement right now.
You guys know a job has to be vacant before you can find a replacement, right?
I would expect most AD's at this level to have a pretty good idea of realistic, interested candidates without needing to have an actual opening.
Of course but interest has to be reciprocal. Also this talk of there not being good candidates this year, or any year is nonsensical. Coaches aren't draft picks or unrestricted free agents, the coaching pool is the coaching pool, the quality doesn't vary by year. There's good coaches, there's bad coaches, there's good fits and bad fits and you have no idea who is what until they are performing the job.
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fitz and gpc were talking abt oscar reaching out to other jobs, particularly drake
Drake will be in town this weekend :Wha:
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i still want him fired.
Me too as long as there's a decent replacement.
There's no reasonable/affordable replacement right now.
You guys know a job has to be vacant before you can find a replacement, right?
I would expect most AD's at this level to have a pretty good idea of realistic, interested candidates without needing to have an actual opening.
Of course but interest has to be reciprocal. Also this talk of there not being good candidates this year, or any year is nonsensical. Coaches aren't draft picks or unrestricted free agents, the coaching pool is the coaching pool, the quality doesn't vary by year. There's good coaches, there's bad coaches, there's good fits and bad fits and you have no idea who is what until they are performing the job.
I think this board and Brad Underwood take issue with your suggestion that timing is irrelevant to this equation.
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i still want him fired.
Me too as long as there's a decent replacement.
There's no reasonable/affordable replacement right now.
You guys know a job has to be vacant before you can find a replacement, right?
I would expect most AD's at this level to have a pretty good idea of realistic, interested candidates without needing to have an actual opening.
Of course but interest has to be reciprocal. Also this talk of there not being good candidates this year, or any year is nonsensical. Coaches aren't draft picks or unrestricted free agents, the coaching pool is the coaching pool, the quality doesn't vary by year. There's good coaches, there's bad coaches, there's good fits and bad fits and you have no idea who is what until they are performing the job.
I think this board and Brad Underwood take issue with your suggestion that timing is irrelevant to this equation.
Timing is only an issue if one or both parties allow it to be. Coaches and athletic directors aren't players, they have absolute and total control of their movements.
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While the pool is basically the same, the value/availability/interest of certain coaches can change wildly year to year
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fitz and gpc were talking abt oscar reaching out to other jobs, particularly drake
Drake will be in town this weekend :Wha:
Go for it oscar
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While the pool is basically the same, the value/availability/interest of certain coaches can change wildly year to year
Yeah, that's a better way to put it.
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While the pool is basically the same, the value/availability/interest of certain coaches can change wildly year to year
Yep, just like any job market.
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While the pool is basically the same, the value/availability/interest of certain coaches can change wildly year to year
I agree with that. I do think this is a greater factor for what's considered the top 10-15 jobs though. Most of the rank and file of college basketball programs will essentially be looking for either underpaid P6 head coaches or the hot high/mid major coaches of the moment; there will always plenty of those.
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While the pool is basically the same, the value/availability/interest of certain coaches can change wildly year to year
I agree with that. I do think this is a greater factor for what's considered the top 10-15 jobs though. Most of the rank and file of college basketball programs will essentially be looking for either underpaid P6 head coaches or the hot high/mid major coaches of the moment; there will always plenty of those.
Yeah I agree with that
So why do you need an opening to know who's interested? That pool of underpaid P6 and up and comers will have the same pool of schools to select from - P5's that either fired their coach or got poached by a top 15 program or were underpaying.
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While the pool is basically the same, the value/availability/interest of certain coaches can change wildly year to year
I agree with that. I do think this is a greater factor for what's considered the top 10-15 jobs though. Most of the rank and file of college basketball programs will essentially be looking for either underpaid P6 head coaches or the hot high/mid major coaches of the moment; there will always plenty of those.
That's true. I suppose I was trying to look at the mid major crop before the tournament and it didn't seem as big, but that's because we haven't seen a couple guys go on a run yet and get hired because of that. (which is dumb)
I heard conversation about that a while back on 810. They were talking about Shaka and making the point that he had great tournament success, but he never won the A-10 or Colonial in 6 years at VCU. While I think most agree he's a very good coach because he did sustain success, maybe that is a knock on what he can do and this year's Texas wasn't such an aberration.
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While the pool is basically the same, the value/availability/interest of certain coaches can change wildly year to year
I agree with that. I do think this is a greater factor for what's considered the top 10-15 jobs though. Most of the rank and file of college basketball programs will essentially be looking for either underpaid P6 head coaches or the hot high/mid major coaches of the moment; there will always plenty of those.
That's true. I suppose I was trying to look at the mid major crop before the tournament and it didn't seem as big, but that's because we haven't seen a couple guys go on a run yet and get hired because of that. (which is dumb)
I heard conversation about that a while back on 810. They were talking about Shaka and making the point that he had great tournament success, but he never won the A-10 or Colonial in 6 years at VCU. While I think most agree he's a very good coach because he did sustain success, maybe that is a knock on what he can do and this year's Texas wasn't such an aberration.
I've said for a while that I think AD's should make bonuses for high conference finishes (not just titles) larger than NCAA tournament success (outside of say a final four). Where you finish in your conference tells you more about a program than tourney runs, and I wonder if coaches would respond to that more positively than incentives based on lucky runs (which is what many Sweet 16 appearances are).
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I've said for a while that I think AD's should make bonuses for high conference finishes (not just titles) larger than NCAA tournament success (outside of say a final four). Where you finish in your conference tells you more about a program than tourney runs, and I wonder if coaches would respond to that more positively than incentives based on lucky runs (which is what many Sweet 16 appearances are).
I agree with that, but its clearly not even how most fans think.
IMO a big part of the oscar hatred stems from the lack of tournament success and especially the La Salle upset. Granted, he has done plenty to sustain fans not liking him, but if he had a Sweet 16 in 13 and then a tournament win in 14 the hatred wouldn't be as strong.
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Unless it's a conference championship, where you finish in conference means nothing without a tournament run.
That's just my opinion, but you are dumb if you disagree with it.
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Unless it's a conference championship, where you finish in conference means nothing without a tournament run.
That's just my opinion, but you are dumb if you disagree with it.
what does a tournament run mean if you don't win the championship?
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Consistent second place finishes in a mid major league tells more about a coach's abilities than a guy who has a lucky conference tourney run and then beats a 5 and a 13 seed to make it to the second weekend
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Unless it's a conference championship, where you finish in conference means nothing without a tournament run.
That's just my opinion, but you are dumb if you disagree with it.
what does a tournament run mean if you don't win the championship?
A tourney run means a lot because people believe it means a lot. Just like the dollar bills in the coach's pockets.
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Well put, KK.
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Unless it's a conference championship, where you finish in conference means nothing without a tournament run.
That's just my opinion, but you are dumb if you disagree with it.
I get that, but I think mid major coaches need to prove to be excellent at their level for multiple entire seasons. Shaka finished 2nd 3 times, 4th 2 times, and 5th once at VCU. He had one incredible run at VCU his first year in the tournament and even though he got there 4 more times, he never got out of the 1st weekend, even with two 5 seeds.
I agree with michigan that tournament success has a lot to due with match ups (luck of the draw) and luck in games to get on a Sweet 16 (or better) run, especially when you are a lower seed like most mid major coaches. The true way to sustain tournament success on a yearly basis is to be really good in a P5 conference (top 3 in the Big 12) and get a 5th seed or better.
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at this point i'd be surprised if they canned oscar no matter the result. it'd be a pretty gutsy move by a transitional AD.
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Consistent second place finishes in a mid major league tells more about a coach's abilities than a guy who has a lucky conference tourney run and then beats a 5 and a 13 seed to make it to the second weekend
I agree. And if you are consistently finishing at, or near, the top of the conference then you are likely to have a few decent tournament runs mixed in.
Give me a consistently competitive basketball team that is fun to watch. Throw in a non-douchebag coach and we've got it made in the shade.
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Unless it's a conference championship, where you finish in conference means nothing without a tournament run.
That's just my opinion, but you are dumb if you disagree with it.
what does a tournament run mean if you don't win the championship?
A tourney run means a lot because people believe it means a lot. Just like the dollar bills in the coach's pockets.
That's a good point for a sitting P5 coach. But not really relevant when evaluating candidates for open P5 positions. John Groce immediately comes to mind.
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While the pool is basically the same, the value/availability/interest of certain coaches can change wildly year to year
I agree with that. I do think this is a greater factor for what's considered the top 10-15 jobs though. Most of the rank and file of college basketball programs will essentially be looking for either underpaid P6 head coaches or the hot high/mid major coaches of the moment; there will always plenty of those.
Yeah I agree with that
So why do you need an opening to know who's interested? That pool of underpaid P6 and up and comers will have the same pool of schools to select from - P5's that either fired their coach or got poached by a top 15 program or were underpaying.
It's been well reported that coaches generally don't like being approached if someone has the job currently. That makes sense to me, the thinking is "do I want to work for this person who treats their coach this way?" I think there are some cases where it's okay to gage interest if the job isn't open yet, like if the coach is clearly getting canned, like Kim Anderson; or if there is a clear tie to the candidate and the potential hiring school, or if the candidate and the AD share an agent.
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at this point i'd be surprised if they canned oscar no matter the result. it'd be a pretty gutsy move by a transitional AD.
Why would it be gusty? The fan base isn't clamoring for him to stay, not that it's going to be the acting ADs unilateral decision anyway.
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i don't really view it as the job of an interim ad to hire/fire coaches under these circumstances
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It's been well reported that coaches generally don't like being approached if someone has the job currently.
Do you believe them when they say that? I don't. They love having their ego stroked and are smart enough to know which jobs have some likelihood of being open.
If I were a coach I would rather take over a program in good enough shape that they won't fire their sitting coach unless they had the right coach (me) lined up. Wouldn't you rather take over for oscar than Kim Anderson?
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at this point i'd be surprised if they canned oscar no matter the result. it'd be a pretty gutsy move by a transitional AD.
There is zero chance oscar gets fired (unless he does something extremely unsavory off the court). It's not going to happen. I will give tremendous odds if someone wants to bet on it.
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It's been well reported that coaches generally don't like being approached if someone has the job currently.
Do you believe them when they say that? I don't. They love having their ego stroked and are smart enough to know which jobs have some likelihood of being open.
If I were a coach I would rather take over a program in good enough shape that they won't fire their sitting coach unless they had the right coach (me) lined up. Wouldn't you rather take over for oscar than Kim Anderson?
Gun to my head, I bet they love be approached about jobs at anytime. That's because I suspect that most of them are human beings, and not not human beings.
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I think oscar should take the WSU job after Greggg goes to Indiana.
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at this point i'd be surprised if they canned oscar no matter the result. it'd be a pretty gutsy move by a transitional AD.
Why would it be gusty? The fan base isn't clamoring for him to stay, not that it's going to be the acting ADs unilateral decision anyway.
Maybe "gutsy" wasn't the right word, but it would raise my eyebrow. The fan base isn't clamoring for him to say, but its also not screaming bloody murder for his head like it was 2 and a half weeks ago or so.
After the OU loss, I said he was donezo because I didn't think Veatch (sp?) had any choice at that point. Given how the last two weeks have played out, I think he has a choice now, and the path of least resistance is keeping things as is.
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at this point i'd be surprised if they canned oscar no matter the result. it'd be a pretty gutsy move by a transitional AD.
Why would it be gusty? The fan base isn't clamoring for him to stay, not that it's going to be the acting ADs unilateral decision anyway.
Maybe "gutsy" wasn't the right word, but it would raise my eyebrow. The fan base isn't clamoring for him to say, but its also not screaming bloody murder for his head like it was 2 and a half weeks ago or so.
After the OU loss, I said he was donezo because I didn't think Veatch (sp?) had any choice at that point. Given how the last two weeks have played out, I think he has a choice now, and the path of least resistance is keeping things as is.
And now we're back to the conversation we've had a million times; if you didn't think he was the man for the job 18 days ago how could you possibly think he's fit for the job now? If sportswriters and fans can recognize this, I'd like to think professionals in the field can too. If he does reaches the sweet 16, then I would think it becomes slightly tougher to fire him but I sure wouldn't extend him and I'd tell him that I wouldn't extend him.
Just a note about this, maybe it isn't important, maybe it isn't; but the AD position officially closes a week from tomorrow.
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again, it's not veatch's job to fire our basketball coach. his job right now is to keep things together while the full time AD is hired. day to day business crap, keep the lights on. when the new AD is hired, he's the person who will be tasked with reviewing his stable of coaches and making fire/hire decisions.
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Veatch's job is to do what his boss tells him to do. Just like any employee.
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at this point i'd be surprised if they canned oscar no matter the result. it'd be a pretty gutsy move by a transitional AD.
Why would it be gusty? The fan base isn't clamoring for him to stay, not that it's going to be the acting ADs unilateral decision anyway.
Maybe "gutsy" wasn't the right word, but it would raise my eyebrow. The fan base isn't clamoring for him to say, but its also not screaming bloody murder for his head like it was 2 and a half weeks ago or so.
After the OU loss, I said he was donezo because I didn't think Veatch (sp?) had any choice at that point. Given how the last two weeks have played out, I think he has a choice now, and the path of least resistance is keeping things as is.
And now we're back to the conversation we've had a million times; if you didn't think he was the man for the job 18 days ago how could you possibly think he's fit for the job now? If sportswriters and fans can recognize this, I'd like to think professionals in the field can too. If he does reaches the sweet 16, then I would think it becomes slightly tougher to fire him but I sure wouldn't extend him and I'd tell him that I wouldn't extend him.
Just a note about this, maybe it isn't important, maybe it isn't; but the AD position officially closes a week from tomorrow.
Listen, I'm not disagreeing with you re. whether I think oscar should get fired.
I'm saying that I don't think K-State fans are calling for oscar's head as loudly as they were several weeks ago. I also think that most people in Veatch's position would probably prefer not to fire someone unless they had no choice. The combination of oscar's last couple of weeks and the timing of Currie's departure make me think that it's unlikely oscar is canned this year.
I could be wrong about Veatch's hutzpah, but this is one of the reasons why I wasn't really dancing in the streets when Currie left.
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Veatch's job is to do what his boss tells him to do. Just like any employee.
um, ok. we want our full time AD to assess, hire and fire. we do not want him to inherit a coach in oscar's position. the reason why we want a good AD is because we want him to make those decisions, not be stuck with the decisions someone in an interim position has made. we're talking about the biggest decisions an AD can make, not what to do with the rowing coach. it could set the department back if the new AD comes in, hates oscar's guts and yet is stuck with him b/c goEMAW decided that the decision needed to be made without him.
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Veatch's job is to do what his boss tells him to do. Just like any employee.
um, ok. we want our full time AD to assess, hire and fire. we do not want him to inherit a coach in oscar's position. the reason why we want a good AD is because we want him to make those decisions, not be stuck with the decisions someone in an interim position has made. we're talking about the biggest decisions an AD can make, not what to do with the rowing coach. it could set the department back if the new AD comes in, hates oscar's guts and yet is stuck with him b/c goEMAW decided that the decision needed to be made without him.
I took Pete's post to mean that if Myers wants oscar fired, then oscar will be fired, new AD pending or not.
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Veatch's job is to do what his boss tells him to do. Just like any employee.
um, ok. we want our full time AD to assess, hire and fire. we do not want him to inherit a coach in oscar's position. the reason why we want a good AD is because we want him to make those decisions, not be stuck with the decisions someone in an interim position has made. we're talking about the biggest decisions an AD can make, not what to do with the rowing coach. it could set the department back if the new AD comes in, hates oscar's guts and yet is stuck with him b/c goEMAW decided that the decision needed to be made without him.
I took Pete's post to mean that if Myers wants oscar fired, then oscar will be fired, new AD pending or not.
Yep. I don't know what else an interim AD does, but I do know that the number one thing they do do, is do what the eff they are told to do.
Now, I happen to think Myers will stay out of it. I have zero knowledge, obviously.
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What do we do if someone snatches our Oscar from us? This would be pickle.
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Veatch's job is to do what his boss tells him to do. Just like any employee.
um, ok. we want our full time AD to assess, hire and fire. we do not want him to inherit a coach in oscar's position. the reason why we want a good AD is because we want him to make those decisions, not be stuck with the decisions someone in an interim position has made. we're talking about the biggest decisions an AD can make, not what to do with the rowing coach. it could set the department back if the new AD comes in, hates oscar's guts and yet is stuck with him b/c goEMAW decided that the decision needed to be made without him.
I took Pete's post to mean that if Myers wants oscar fired, then oscar will be fired, new AD pending or not.
Yep. I don't know what else an interim AD does, but I do know that the number one thing they do do, is do what the eff they are told to do.
Now, I happen to think Myers will stay out of it. I have zero knowledge, obviously.
yeah, i guess it never occurred to me that employees do what their bosses tell them to :dunno:
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You seemed like maybe it occurred to you that they do what message board posters say, because otherwise I have no idea what you were upset about.
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You seemed like maybe it occurred to you that they do what message board posters say, because otherwise I have no idea what you were upset about.
upset? not in the slightest. maybe you missed the part where several people were advocating that oscar get fired immediately. i was simply providing the reasons why we don't want that to happen.
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I did miss that. Though, I will literally be OK with any scenario that removes that rough rider, so I am not your target audience I suppose.
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Unfortunately I think currie has double mumped us on oscar
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You seemed like maybe it occurred to you that they do what message board posters say, because otherwise I have no idea what you were upset about.
upset? not in the slightest. maybe you missed the part where several people were advocating that oscar get fired immediately. i was simply providing the reasons why we don't want that to happen.
we don't? If he got fired in the middle of the starting lineup intros tomorrow night I'd be over the moon, I'm guessing I'm far from alone.
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It's been well reported that coaches generally don't like being approached if someone has the job currently.
Do you believe them when they say that? I don't. They love having their ego stroked and are smart enough to know which jobs have some likelihood of being open.
If I were a coach I would rather take over a program in good enough shape that they won't fire their sitting coach unless they had the right coach (me) lined up. Wouldn't you rather take over for oscar than Kim Anderson?
Gun to my head, I bet they love be approached about jobs at anytime. That's because I suspect that most of them are human beings, and not not human beings.
they don't like it when it becomes public, because that impacts how their school's fans feel about them which impacts their job security. they like it as long as it isn't public.
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It's been well reported that coaches generally don't like being approached if someone has the job currently.
Do you believe them when they say that? I don't. They love having their ego stroked and are smart enough to know which jobs have some likelihood of being open.
If I were a coach I would rather take over a program in good enough shape that they won't fire their sitting coach unless they had the right coach (me) lined up. Wouldn't you rather take over for oscar than Kim Anderson?
Gun to my head, I bet they love be approached about jobs at anytime. That's because I suspect that most of them are human beings, and not not human beings.
they don't like it when it becomes public, because that impacts how their school's fans feel about them which impacts their job security. they like it as long as it isn't public.
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It's been well reported that coaches generally don't like being approached if someone has the job currently.
Do you believe them when they say that? I don't. They love having their ego stroked and are smart enough to know which jobs have some likelihood of being open.
If I were a coach I would rather take over a program in good enough shape that they won't fire their sitting coach unless they had the right coach (me) lined up. Wouldn't you rather take over for oscar than Kim Anderson?
Gun to my head, I bet they love be approached about jobs at anytime. That's because I suspect that most of them are human beings, and not not human beings.
they don't like it when it becomes public, because that impacts how their school's fans feel about them which impacts their job security. they like it as long as it isn't public.
Yes
Good points. Agreed.
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Unless it's a conference championship, where you finish in conference means nothing without a tournament run.
That's just my opinion, but you are dumb if you disagree with it.
what does a tournament run mean if you don't win the championship?
A tourney run means a lot because people believe it means a lot. Just like the dollar bills in the coach's pockets.
That's a good point for a sitting P5 coach. But not really relevant when evaluating candidates for open P5 positions. John Groce immediately comes to mind.
Having sweet 16s or better means a hell of a lot for the coaching market! Look at brad underwood, or even better, Shaka Smart. Shaka to VCU didnt happen because of VCU regular seasons (and look those up by the way).
As long as that is the currency of the market, you better know it. If your point is that we should look for diamonds in the rough, then I guess I'd like to see a few names of coaches to look at that.
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at this point i'd be surprised if they canned oscar no matter the result. it'd be a pretty gutsy move by a transitional AD.
Why would it be gusty? The fan base isn't clamoring for him to stay, not that it's going to be the acting ADs unilateral decision anyway.
You were just talking about how coaching candidates would dislike if a school gauges their interest before firing their current coach, but you think they would be comfortable with a school that fired a coach after finishing several spots above preseason expectations and winning a tournament game?
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Unless it's a conference championship, where you finish in conference means nothing without a tournament run.
That's just my opinion, but you are dumb if you disagree with it.
what does a tournament run mean if you don't win the championship?
A tourney run means a lot because people believe it means a lot. Just like the dollar bills in the coach's pockets.
That's a good point for a sitting P5 coach. But not really relevant when evaluating candidates for open P5 positions. John Groce immediately comes to mind.
Having sweet 16s or better means a hell of a lot for the coaching market! Look at brad underwood, or even better, Shaka Smart. Shaka to VCU didnt happen because of VCU regular seasons (and look those up by the way).
As long as that is the currency of the market, you better know it. If your point is that we should look for diamonds in the rough, then I guess I'd like to see a few names of coaches to look at that.
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Oh I think AD's should be aware of what a tourney run does to a coach's value but not hire a coach based on such runs, because luck is a much larger factor in 1-2 games. It's not about finding diamonds in the rough, it's about avoiding mistakes like John Groce. (I keep repeating him because he's the only one I can come up with off the top of my head)
What made Underwood a great candidate was how he dominated his conference for three seasons, not his single win over West Virginia. Scoring one more basket over Notre Dame would have been completely irrelevant to Underwood's ability to build a program.
Kevin Keatts is an example of someone who may be undervalued because of no NCAA wins, even though he took over a shitty program and won conference regular season titles in years 2 and 3. Just one win would make him a lot more valuable on the market (at least in the eyes of the media, which also influences the market). I also think a guy like Dan Muller at Illinois state will be way undervalued because he didn't make the tournament at all (and went 17-1 in conference!) His conference record has improved every year as well. There's likely others out there.
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what program did brad build? because it wasn't SFA's program by any stretch
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what program did brad build? because it wasn't SFA's program by any stretch
Who said he built a program? I just said his NCAA tournament record had nothing to do with his ability to do so.
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what program did brad build? because it wasn't SFA's program by any stretch
Who said he built a program? I just said his NCAA tournament record had nothing to do with his ability to do so.
What made Underwood a great candidate was how he dominated his conference for three seasons, not his single win over West Virginia. Scoring one more basket over Notre Dame would have been completely irrelevant to Underwood's ability to build a program.
so i guess your point was that what made underwood a great candidate was that he didn't nosedive his program? he took over a program loaded with talent, at the top of its league, and who's previous coach just got promoted to a bigger school and then kept it there for 3 seasons. this is what made him a great candidate?
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What do you called canned Oscar? Libby, as is in a can of vienna sausages.
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what program did brad build? because it wasn't SFA's program by any stretch
Who said he built a program? I just said his NCAA tournament record had nothing to do with his ability to do so.
What made Underwood a great candidate was how he dominated his conference for three seasons, not his single win over West Virginia. Scoring one more basket over Notre Dame would have been completely irrelevant to Underwood's ability to build a program.
so i guess your point was that what made underwood a great candidate was that he didn't nosedive his program? he took over a program loaded with talent, at the top of its league, and who's previous coach just got promoted to a bigger school and then kept it there for 3 seasons. this is what made him a great candidate?
I probably should have said "good" instead of "great".
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great is correct. he took over a goodish program and made it historically great. and he really just inherited the one player whose brother played for a&m (for years 2&3).
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The goal of a program is to string together wins in March. While I agree that NCAA wins can be overvalued in a coaching search it should definitely be a consideration.
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great is correct. he took over a goodish program and made it historically great. and he really just inherited the one player whose brother played for a&m (for years 2&3).
but he lost in the first round today, are the measures moving?
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great is correct. he took over a goodish program and made it historically great. and he really just inherited the one player whose brother played for a&m (for years 2&3).
but he lost in the first round today, are the measures moving?
Narratives must fit the narratives.
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No more FWN!
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No more FWN!
At this point it's whatever, but I've resigned myself that oscar is back next year.
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Scripts
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Scripts
Well, oscar had to go and change the script from what was assumed.
It looked so much like the 12 script for so long, but then oscar somehow morphed this team to fit a combo of 07 & 11.
Unexpected.
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at this point i'd be surprised if they canned oscar no matter the result. it'd be a pretty gutsy move by a transitional AD.
Why would it be gusty? The fan base isn't clamoring for him to stay, not that it's going to be the acting ADs unilateral decision anyway.
You were just talking about how coaching candidates would dislike if a school gauges their interest before firing their current coach, but you think they would be comfortable with a school that fired a coach after finishing several spots above preseason expectations and winning a tournament game?
Find me the absolute loser unwilling to follow a guy who's .500ish and only has one post season win, which happens to be in the first four, in five years. That's not even noteworthy at a mid major.
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If Marcus had "new phone, who dis'd" him and ended up staying, where would KSU hoops be today?
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We've played against physical defensive teams just like Cincinnati three times this season and while we won the home game, we just seem to run a high weave most of the time without looking inside much. It results in loads of terrible shots and me wanting oscar fired at halftime.
"Well, we were really tired after that flight...."
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Update?
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Tim Weiser fired Wooly before they left the arena, after Wooly's last game.
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Play in game hardly counts as NCAA tourney win, just stating facts it got us into field of 64, lame expectations for year five :impatient:
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I don't think there is anyone who I respect that really considers "winning an NCAA tournament game" to be anything short of making the field of 32.
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Memphis isn't happy with Tubby and his 3 million per. Maybe KSU could pick him up.
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I much preferred this route rather than having this be our own game associated the tourney.
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Only*
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I bet oscar hates ringing phknes.
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Can't we just admit the last AD make a big rough ridin' mistake and move on?
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Apparently Meyers and Veatch were at game and are flying back to MHK tonight for women's game. I would love to hear that conversation.
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Apparently Meyers and Veatch were at game and are flying back to MHK tonight for women's game. I would love to hear that conversation.
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"Thank god we don't have to think about basketball for another year"
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I liked how the announcer was taking about how livid oscar was with the official, then they showed this.
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great is correct. he took over a goodish program and made it historically great. and he really just inherited the one player whose brother played for a&m (for years 2&3).
but he lost in the first round today, are the measures moving?
no.
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you gave us a fun season, big wins, and an ncaa tournament victory.
thank you oscar :blush:
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Any new update?
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you gave us a fun season, big wins, and an ncaa tournament victory.
thank you oscar :blush:
But not all in the same season.
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Great look for us if he quits to go to drake, imo.
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If we get a better coach in here next year, it's a perfect scenario this last week....
We get into the Madness. Get to play 2 games in the Tourney (good morale builder and experience for the FR/SOPH), and we change coaches with a nice nucleus here for the next 2 seasons
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what program did brad build? because it wasn't SFA's program by any stretch
Who said he built a program? I just said his NCAA tournament record had nothing to do with his ability to do so.
What made Underwood a great candidate was how he dominated his conference for three seasons, not his single win over West Virginia. Scoring one more basket over Notre Dame would have been completely irrelevant to Underwood's ability to build a program.
so i guess your point was that what made underwood a great candidate was that he didn't nosedive his program? he took over a program loaded with talent, at the top of its league, and who's previous coach just got promoted to a bigger school and then kept it there for 3 seasons. this is what made him a great candidate?
One year at Kats U. our offense was stagnating and so was our season as a result. He was the brains behind our newly retooled offense and we turned things around and rattled off a shitload of wins. Then he did the same thing at OSU this year and ultimately took a team that had just fired its coach for having a terrible team and took them to the tournament his very first year. These, in addition to three years out of three at SFA where he absolutely dominated his league AND compiled a bunch of tourney wins all combine to make him a great coach. Don't know why you seem to be somewhat anti-Brad, but it seems kind of petulant at this point. Brad is a good, proven coach who has had success at three different schools. He was the right choice for us, and he still is.
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Weird post
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Sorry, don't know what happened to my original post. Went back and added it.
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Word up, gangSTAR.
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We have an acting a AD and 75 year old UP - No up and comer is putting his career on the line with that so we have 3 options - stick with oscar, be a reset button or pay Brad & OSU. It's only money
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Last update of the day?
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Rumblings
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We have an acting a AD and 75 year old UP - No up and comer is putting his career on the line with that so we have 3 options - stick with oscar, be a reset button or pay Brad & OSU. It's only money
What? You don't really think any of that matters do you? I mean if we're talking about ancillary crap, I'm guessing the fact that the remodel of Jardine is just as important to an incoming coach.
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Maybe your crazy red state legislature could criminalize Currie's actions, extradite him, and flog him publicly.
Or do you guys do red-hot pokers up the gastrointestinals? That would be even better. Letting OSU hire Brad should be punished criminally.
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Does a Steve Forbes type want to take his one shot with Laird and The General. What if Wade and X transfer and he is starting over in year 2 with a new UP and a new AD?
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Does a Steve Forbes type want to take his one shot with Laird and The General. What if Wade and X transfer and he is starting over in year 2 with a new UP and a new AD?
If he thinks he's going to win, why would he care?
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A coach going to a school with no ad sounds like a kid committing to a school with no coach... Most people in these situations want to know who their boss is going to be
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All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is sure.
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I do agree a supremely confident coach is what we need but even a mega ego guy like Gregg Marshal waited for an up and running WSU and not a fixer upper like our program
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The AD job is SOOO much more attractive with the dirty laundry done.
Fire Oscar Laird!
Let's give the new AD a clean slate.
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I think Snyder will say who is AD. He likes Veacht. So the AD is in place. I think we need an excited student body and alumni for the long term health of the university. Excitement yields giving ---- loot. I love Kansas State basketball but I don't sense Weber really loves this university.
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Did Stan say "stop the insanity" on changing coaches?
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Did Stan say "stop the insanity" on changing coaches?
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Stanbot is paid to avoid criticizing the KState coaching staff.
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Did Stan say "stop the insanity" on changing coaches?
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Stanbot is paid to avoid criticizing the KState coaching staff.
Avoid, not advocate for.
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Everyone knows that just because Veatch fires him, doesn't mean Veatch hires the next coach, right? We can rough ridin' fire Weber now, and let the new AD select his own coach....should be enticing for a serious AD candidate to choose his own guy right out of the gate in the #2 sport.
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I mean, I know that is obvious, but seems like we have had a lot of chatter lately about who chooses the next coach and the timing of choosing the next coach.
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So still no update huh?
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So still no update huh?
I know. I got up this morning really hoping to be able to read that he was gone. It's how I suppose I can approach each new day going forward.
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So still no update huh?
I know. I got up this morning really hoping to be able to read that he was gone. It's how I suppose I can approach each new day going forward.
I really hope it's on a Saturday or Sunday morning so I can pour a 17 year scotch when I see that it's been done.
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Ain't gonna happen :angry:
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Fired yet: nope
Why not: Laird still asleep?
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oscar knows his contract won't be extended if he doesn't improve next year. Why wouldn't he leave now so he can parlay his NCAA berth into a 3-5 year job at some midmajor? Even with less pay. It's not like he needs the money or has any real attachment to Manhattan. Go somewhere with lower expectations, less headache, and a guaranteed paycheck for at least 3 years? Seems like a no brainer.
Maybe this'll work itself out for us? Of course, then we're the school that got dumped by oscar instead of being the dumper. I can live with that.
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Fired yet: nope
Why not: Laird still asleep?
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I agree with the comments above. Weber could have a more comfortable and stress-free life if he leaves on his own terms. But is he too prideful to do that? He could get a 5 year $800k/yr contract with bonus incentives at a mid major pretty easily. There will be plenty of vacancies at that level.
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Don't look for anything before Tuesday. Women are hosting first two rounds of tournament and I doubt anyone wants to do anything to distract from that.
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Ain't gonna happen :angry:
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$500k a year opening just down the street and plenty of 3 star talent overlooked by P5's to recruit in the region. Good bonuses and former coach could make a sweet deal on a house in a very exclusive neighborhood.
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Would you consider? I'm not sure.
Illinois State Redbirds (Missouri Valley Conference) (2012–present)
2012–13 Illinois State 18–15 8–10 6th
2013–14 Illinois State 18–16 9–9 5th CBI Semifinals
2014–15 Illinois State 22–13 11–7 T–3rd NIT 2nd Round
2015–16 Illinois State 18–14 12–6 T–2nd
2016–17 Illinois State 28–6 17–1 T–1st NIT
Illinois State: 104–64 (.619) 57–33 (.633)
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Did Stan say "stop the insanity" on changing coaches?
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Stanbot is paid to avoid criticizing the KState coaching staff.
Avoid, not advocate for.
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On that Frank Boal Sunday Sound Off thing a couple weeks ago Stanbot was pretty adamant about not extending oscar after this season. Did not wrap any 'maybe after a strong NCAA run or maybe after next season' sunshine around it...stopped just short of saying 'let him walk'.
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Did Stan say "stop the insanity" on changing coaches?
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Stanbot is paid to avoid criticizing the KState coaching staff.
Avoid, not advocate for.
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On that Frank Boal Sunday Sound Off thing a couple weeks ago Stanbot was pretty adamant about not extending oscar after this season. Did not wrap any 'maybe after a strong NCAA run or maybe after next season' sunshine around it...stopped just short of saying 'let him walk'.
Was that after OU?
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Did Stan say "stop the insanity" on changing coaches?
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Stanbot is paid to avoid criticizing the KState coaching staff.
Avoid, not advocate for.
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On that Frank Boal Sunday Sound Off thing a couple weeks ago Stanbot was pretty adamant about not extending oscar after this season. Did not wrap any 'maybe after a strong NCAA run or maybe after next season' sunshine around it...stopped just short of saying 'let him walk'.
Was that after OU?
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Before start of B12 tornament when it was apparent 1 good win would get Cats into NCAAs
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Did Stan say "stop the insanity" on changing coaches?
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Stanbot is paid to avoid criticizing the KState coaching staff.
Avoid, not advocate for.
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On that Frank Boal Sunday Sound Off thing a couple weeks ago Stanbot was pretty adamant about not extending oscar after this season. Did not wrap any 'maybe after a strong NCAA run or maybe after next season' sunshine around it...stopped just short of saying 'let him walk'.
Was that after OU?
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Before start of B12 tornament when it was apparent 1 good win would get Cats into NCAAs
Hmm. WeirdStanbot?
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When Stanbot says that....smh
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Thought it was pretty strong considering 'bot and oscar are co-workers and around each other all the time. Could've thrown oscar a bone on being here past next season and didn't.
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From the KC Star - Oscar being asked if he will be coming back next year.
"Oh, no one’s ever told me anything,” he said. “I don’t know anything. But I like K-State. My wife loves it here. We’ve got a good group.”
Not too confident. Apparently, he has not been reassured.
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article139333003.html#storylink=cpy
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go get forbes before osu does, kstate, you idiot.
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Laird! General!
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go get forbes before osu does, kstate, you idiot.
Yep.
Or Dooley IMO.
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joe dooley in manhattan kansas, wouldn't that be something
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Thought it was pretty strong considering 'bot and oscar are co-workers and around each other all the time. Could've thrown oscar a bone on being here past next season and didn't.
No they aren't
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it would be kinda cool if laird texted him that he's out
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Wouldn't be very satisfying
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I want oscar to find out by bumping into his replacement at Call Hall.
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Just announce it on twitter, Laird.
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Please take that effing gif of BW doing his blow up sex doll face off this thread. I'm gonna be sick....
Hate that effing sorry excuse for a ****ing basketball coach.
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grainer explodes onto the scene
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Sorry. I've had enough.
No. Too much.
The thought of watching this pathetic bastard destroy my team for yet another season has driven me out of lurkdom. I want a moratorium issued on face shots of Lord Farquaad. And no more talking to the press!
<face in hands, sobbing>
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lots of zeal
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I want a camera on his face all 40 minutes. It's insane to believe that weird open mouth tongue flicking thing was actually able to walk into a Dallas hotel room and convince a P5 A.D. to hire him just days after HE WAS FIRED FOR SUCKING crap.
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I want a camera on his face all 40 minutes. It's insane to believe that weird open mouth tongue flicking thing was actually able to walk into a Dallas hotel room and convince a P5 A.D. to hire him just days after HE WAS FIRED FOR SUCKING crap.
in fairness that P5 AD has since been exposed as an alien in a body suit with purple cowboy boots
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I want a camera on his face all 40 minutes. It's insane to believe that weird open mouth tongue flicking thing was actually able to walk into a Dallas hotel room and convince a P5 A.D. to hire him just days after HE WAS FIRED FOR SUCKING crap.
This.
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His sex doll face makes Bill's lip-licking salamander impression feel almost normal. When we watch KU we run a pool prior to the game on what the max lip licks is we'll get during one shot. I think the top number was 8. Of course, it is highly dependent on how stressed he gets from the game. But hey - much as I loathe K who, at least they win.
This slack-jawed ph**k face we've got "leading" our program?
Jeezuz Mary and Joseph.
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@whomever fixed it: THANK YOU.
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grainer explodes onto the scene
breath of fresh air
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If weber is our coach next year, he has to scrap his birth control play.
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go get forbes before osu does, kstate, you idiot.
They pay Forbes a $205,000 salary. He has a great resume. Better than Underwood by a mile. Helped build great programs at Tenn and WichitaSu. Punishment for defending scuz Pearlx but we took a chance once on Huggins. This guy is clean and humble and dirt plain. If don't, okiemooos will.
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I want oscar to find out by bumping into his replacement at Call Hall.
:lol:
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Every day makes the reality of another miserable year of following K-State hoops get a little closer.
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I'm sure it's been said but I haven't paid much attention to the board over the weekend, but it makes me sick that Frank got rough ridin' South Carolina to the round of 32 before oscar got K-State there.
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Every day makes the reality of another miserable year of following K-State hoops get a little closer.
You know they weren't going to do anything while hosting the women's first and second rounds.
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Every day makes the reality of another miserable year of following K-State hoops get a little closer.
You know they weren't going to do anything while hosting the women's first and second rounds.
Yeah, I get that. It doesn't make seeing nothing done any easier though.
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Can we list Landry Shamet as another reason to despise oscar?
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Can we list Landry Shamet as another reason to despise oscar?
Backstory?
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local recruit who didn't want to play for the most hated program in the country.
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We did offer him according to ESPN. Who would you rather play for?
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local recruit who didn't want to play for the most hated program in the country.
He was a puma!
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Wow, gregggg's highest rated recruit
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I thought Barry committed to us so we quit recruiting him but maybe he told Weber to eff off
He won either way I guess
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Looking at that pic I posted again. I would have hung out with Richie P.
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We did offer him according to ESPN. Who would you rather play for?
That's the point, we are a program losing recruits to a commuter school in Northeast Wichita, completely unacceptable. They can run a train on the Valley and still not be a viable option for a four star recruit playing locally.
I thought Barry committed to us so we quit recruiting him
If they chose The Flush over Shamet then they are dumber than I thought, then again they did chose Michael Orris over Josh Gray.
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Maybe Josh Gray was a John Currie call.
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I'm sure it's been said but I haven't paid much attention to the board over the weekend, but it makes me sick that Frank got rough ridin' South Carolina to the round of 32 before oscar got K-State there.
Was there ever really any doubt, despite the fact that Frank basically left oscar a sweet sixteen ready roster while taking over a total crap show at USCe?
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Is round of 32 the fulcrum?
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Is round of 32 the fulcrum?
Last 5 years round of 64 wins.
oscar 0
Frank 1
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Is round of 32 the fulcrum?
Last 5 years round of 64 wins.
oscar 0
Frank 1
Last 10 years
oscar 1
Frank 5
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Let the record show that in no way do I consider a win in Dayton to be a proper tournament win. At most it counts as half a win, but in my mind, it doesn't count for crap. That's not because I'm looking for a way to discredit oscar, it's merely because Dayton in the tournament is a rough ridin' leper colony.
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Let the record show that in no way do I consider a win in Dayton to be a proper tournament win. At most it counts as half a win, but in my mind, it doesn't count for crap. That's not because I'm looking for a way to discredit oscar, it's merely because Dayton in the tournament is a rough ridin' leper colony.
Yeah, I enjoyed the win over Wake, I won't deny that, but when anyone worth anything says NCAA wins they mean the round of 64.
Also, give oscar credit for consistency. Since his NC title game appearance he is what he is:
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We can mock oscar without shitting on the first four. A first four team went to the final four, there's at least one good team there every year.
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We can mock oscar without shitting on the first four. A first four team went to the final four, there's at least one good team there every year.
I get that, but you've got to win one once you get to the round of 64. We got drilled.
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A win over Cincinnati would have been just as meaningless as the win over Wake.
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I'm pretty sure if we'd made the round of 32, the complaints would be about not making the Sweet 16.
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That's the infuriating part of this. Most folks not named John Currie expected that a mediocre coach would continue to be mediocre.
I mean it was so obvious that you can't even enjoy the "I told you so" moment when this thing is finally done.
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I'm pretty sure if we'd made the round of 32, the complaints would be about not making the Sweet 16.
Obviously, especially since we were so close to beating Cincinnati.
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I'm pretty sure if we'd made the round of 32, the complaints would be about not making the Sweet 16.
shut your pie hole.
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We didn't make the round of 32, so I guess we'll never know.
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We can mock oscar without shitting on the first four. A first four team went to the final four, there's at least one good team there every year.
I get that, but you've got to win one once you get to the round of 64. We got drilled.
Of course
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Those SC fans are having a lot of fun :(
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We can mock oscar without shitting on the first four. A first four team went to the final four, there's at least one good team there every year.
checked with the judges, and no, they confirmed that the first four is for stank-ass loser teams
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"One positive thing that can definitely be said about oscar Webers career. He's a rarity in that he isn't constantly looking to move on. He seems to be a pretty loyal guy who buys in to wherever he's at. Much different than a lot of his narcissistic compatriots. A rarity these days."
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The First Four is a fun aspect of the tournament. But no, a First Four win should not count as a true tournament win.
I've said it before. I think we have one more year of oscar. We'll miss the tournament and let him go after that.
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The First Four is a fun aspect of the tournament. But no, a First Four win should not count as a true tournament win.
I've said it before. I think we have one more year of oscar. We'll miss the tournament and let him go after that.
Checked with The Board and they told me that nope, First Four is for giant losers and unless your team is playing in it, you're absolutely never watching that hot garbage because no one cares and there's nothing fun about it.
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The First Four is a fun aspect of the tournament. But no, a First Four win should not count as a true tournament win.
I've said it before. I think we have one more year of oscar. We'll miss the tournament and let him go after that.
Why let him go then?
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http://awfulannouncing.com/online-outlets/ncaa-makes-kentucky-writer-delete-video.html
The Marshall's
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K-State basketball is dead. No amount of explaining or extrapolation or generalization is going to change the fact that we have now regressed to one half step better than we were 15 years ago and it's not going to improve next year, it will likely be worse.
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Gross.
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Oscar probably never got his wife that excited while breeding her.
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Dude.....wtf......
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K-State basketball is dead. No amount of explaining or extrapolation or generalization is going to change the fact that we have now regressed to one half step better than we were 15 years ago and it's not going to improve next year, it will likely be worse.
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I'm not going to a game. I'm not donating... Why should any fan ask to pledge when KSU won't support a winning program? They are as tight as uncle scrooge..and we'll forever be small time until we figure out how to bid with the big boys....
Man we're so lucky LHC Bill Snyder didn't dump us all those years ago because he was trough chasing the dollar...but that was the early 90's .......and this is now.
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hearing that oscar is being told to take the Drake job........if he does nothing, he's fired.
source B+
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B+ is pretty damned strong, POWL. I'm choosing to believe this.
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hearing that oscar is being told to take the Drake job........if he does nothing, he's fired.
source B+
As of Saturday morning he wasn't a candidate for the Drake job. Also he's not going to take the Drake job, it's the second to last worst job in a one bid conference.
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hearing that oscar is being told to take the Drake job........if he does nothing, he's fired.
source B+
As of Saturday morning he wasn't a candidate for the Drake job. Also he's not going to take the Drake job, it's the second to last worst job in a one bid conference.
Well then he can get crap canned like Wooly
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hearing that oscar is being told to take the Drake job........if he does nothing, he's fired.
source B+
As of Saturday morning he wasn't a candidate for the Drake job. Also he's not going to take the Drake job, it's the second to last worst job in a one bid conference.
You just described a coaching job that fits oscar to a T.
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hearing that oscar is being told to take the Drake job........if he does nothing, he's fired.
source B+
As of Saturday morning he wasn't a candidate for the Drake job. Also he's not going to take the Drake job, it's the second to last worst job in a one bid conference.
Sounds to me like they're making him an offer he can't refuse.
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hearing that oscar is being told to take the Drake job........if he does nothing, he's fired.
source B+
As of Saturday morning he wasn't a candidate for the Drake job. Also he's not going to take the Drake job, it's the second to last worst job in a one bid conference.
Sounds to me like they're making him an offer he can't refuse.
Just like Illinois sweeping in to get Brad.
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Maybe Drake didn't realize we would let them have oscar without paying the buyout.
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Yeah. I don't get that comment at all. Tsk tsk
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hearing that oscar is being told to take the Drake job........if he does nothing, he's fired.
source B+
This would be pretty interesting. I still find it a bit hard to believe, because if oscar is getting let go it should have already. We probably couldn't wait any longer than next week at the latest.
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Rumblings that oscar is in hutch at juco tourney in neutral (non KSU) clothing. Can anyone confirm? Renocat? Bueller? Anyone?
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Rumblings that oscar is in hutch at juco tourney in neutral (non KSU) clothing. Can anyone confirm? Renocat? Bueller? Anyone?
https://twitter.com/mamaontherun33/status/843847441401155588
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Rumblings that oscar is in hutch at juco tourney in neutral (non KSU) clothing. Can anyone confirm? Renocat? Bueller? Anyone?
https://twitter.com/mamaontherun33/status/843847441401155588
lol he can't even talk on the phone like a non-weirdo
Also he should hold out for a better mid-major job once more dominoes start to fall.
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Doesn't look like purple to me, more pink?
I think General Myers is focused on the AD search. Next priority is to make sure there is a bona fide succession plan for our football program. We may want to keep all basketball discussion to the WBB team and South Carolina/Frank. That's all that matters at this point. I think oscar earned his 'pass' for the next few months.
What are the Lady 'Cats' chances against Stanford? Stanford's really good, no?
Can Frank take down Baylor?
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I don't think the K-State women or Frank's Cocks have much of a chance at winning their next games.
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Say it ain't so!
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I don't think the K-State women or Frank's Cocks have much of a chance at winning their next games.
If oscar's Cats can beat Scott's Bears twice, I see no reason to write off Frank's Cocks :ck:
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Not that I wish it on my UNCdub friends, but UNCWdub is a pretty decent mid-major job. He'll make a half a million, the area is rich in b-ball talent, a school that supports b-ball relatively well, decent facility. It's one of the top two programs in the CAA. Hell, he was halfway to Charleston before he got called by Currie's (K-State's reps).
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Is oscar wearing pleated pants?? :facepalm:
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Also he should hold out for a better mid-major job once more dominoes start to fall.
If there really is some sort of weird ultimatum to oscar to either take the Drake job or get fired, we really shouldn't allow him to wait for more dominoes to fall. We are going to need one of those coaches that will be leaving the better mid-major jobs.
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Not that I wish it on my UNCdub friends, but UNCWdub is a pretty decent mid-major job. He'll make a half a million, the area is rich in b-ball talent, a school that supports b-ball relatively well, decent facility. It's one of the top two programs in the CAA. Hell, he was halfway to Charleston before he got called by Currie's (K-State's reps).
Its much better than Drake.
Plus, the mid major that gets oscar probably doesn't have to worry about oscar jumping. He'll finish his career there if he's successful enough to stay.
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How much would we owe oscar if we crap canned him today?
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It would be worth every penny.
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I don't know where else to put this.
This is pretty funny.
http://kentuckysportsradio.com/
Half way down.
I don't have any problem with leading the cheers, but she did act pretty trashy and based on what I know the Marshall's probably fuel each other. You can clearly see she drops and F-Bomb and then she leans into the writer's table with the "hitting the weight room" comment. Also reports she was yelling for Cal to sit down amongst other F-bomb droppage.
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Glad my cats didn't loss to that garbage.
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How much would we owe oscar if we crap canned him today?
Think I've heard both 2 mill and 2.5 million, but also heard he would get a 500k retention bonus if he's still our coach come April 1st, but I can't find that in the contract (for this year, looks like it would kick in in 2019).
So anywhere between 2-3mill, I guess?
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Also he should hold out for a better mid-major job once more dominoes start to fall.
If there really is some sort of weird ultimatum to oscar to either take the Drake job or get fired, we really shouldn't allow him to wait for more dominoes to fall. We are going to need one of those coaches that will be leaving the better mid-major jobs.
Well, yeah.
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Okay, but who the hell are we gonna hire?
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Also he should hold out for a better mid-major job once more dominoes start to fall.
If there really is some sort of weird ultimatum to oscar to either take the Drake job or get fired, we really shouldn't allow him to wait for more dominoes to fall. We are going to need one of those coaches that will be leaving the better mid-major jobs.
Well, yeah.
If oscar Weber is going to Drake (or any mid-major) it will only be after he's fired and gets his buyout. However, there are still rumblings in the coaching world that K-State has been reaching out to candidates. It's really hard to time date those feelers, though. Maybe losing in the round of 64 was good enough and the contacts with coaches, direct or indirectly, have ended. I will continue to dig.
So, assuming this is accurate, we should've fired him as he walked off the floor Friday.
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Also he should hold out for a better mid-major job once more dominoes start to fall.
If there really is some sort of weird ultimatum to oscar to either take the Drake job or get fired, we really shouldn't allow him to wait for more dominoes to fall. We are going to need one of those coaches that will be leaving the better mid-major jobs.
There was no ultimatum to take the Drake or any other job. That's absolutely insane.
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POWL has a B+ source, though... (https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Femojipedia-us.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fcache%2Ff3%2F65%2Ff365b00dca91824f050ea166448b5ba0.png&hash=4b73be0d24e6deb1f163e15abc9a64c6b7ce026d)
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it's a new low in kstate bball when oscar has us dissecting if his shirt is lavender or pink
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it's a new low in kstate bball when oscar has us dissecting if his shirt is lavender or pink
I think it is pink
Now, what brand is another story......Marc Anthony from Kohl's?
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I don't think the K-State women or Frank's Cocks have much of a chance at winning their next games.
You're really harshing my buzz, MIR. Geez!
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Also he should hold out for a better mid-major job once more dominoes start to fall.
If there really is some sort of weird ultimatum to oscar to either take the Drake job or get fired, we really shouldn't allow him to wait for more dominoes to fall. We are going to need one of those coaches that will be leaving the better mid-major jobs.
There was no ultimatum to take the Drake or any other job. That's absolutely insane.
"If you don't leave for a 500k job we are going to hand you 2 million, the choice is yours "
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Also he should hold out for a better mid-major job once more dominoes start to fall.
If there really is some sort of weird ultimatum to oscar to either take the Drake job or get fired, we really shouldn't allow him to wait for more dominoes to fall. We are going to need one of those coaches that will be leaving the better mid-major jobs.
There was no ultimatum to take the Drake or any other job. That's absolutely insane.
"If you don't leave for a 500k job we are going to hand you 2 million, the choice is yours "
Oh, and feel free to take the job after
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Guys checking in, is oscar fired yet?
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Steve Dave, tomorrow I predict will be a great day.
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Everyday is a great day, reno.
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:thumbs:
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"If you don't leave for a 500k job we are going to hand you 2 million, the choice is yours "
lol.
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http://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/sports/lsu/article_e23b1ada-0ccf-11e7-8fbc-570ff2e9bac0.html
Tom Crean was thought to be the choice for the LSU job. One article I read indicated they asked Crean if he was interested; nope and hell nope. Today 2 IU recruits ask to be let out of their LOC. Sounds like a package deal in the making. Strange KSU Monkeyballs shiners have not said Weber is our man. As long as the women were playing likely no coach announced. If keeping weber, I would have thought MyersVeatch would have given an attaboy statement for Oscar. Women done playing. A.package deal with Crean, a good coach and recruiter, and 2 good players for the signing. Good day tomorrow.
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Another fired big 10 coach. To be fair, Crean has 2 big 10 titles and 3 Sweet 16s in the last 6 seasons.
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Another fired big 10 coach. To be fair, Crean has 2 big 10 titles and 3 Sweet 16s in the last 6 seasons.
And his narcissism is off the charts, even for coaches.
Crean would be a form of oscar - Part 2.
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it's a new day. has oscar been fired yet?
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:Crybaby:
it's a new day. has oscar been fired yet?
GPC was down this morning. Methinks something is afoot.
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:Crybaby:it's a new day. has oscar been fired yet?
GPC was down this morning. Methinks something is afoot.
All Rivals boards are down. Without the mainboard I feel lost at sea.
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QUESTION: Wasn't there something like a 1.5 million dollar buyout for Currie? Or was he such a crap we waved it to GHTFO?
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QUESTION: Wasn't there something like a 1.5 million dollar buyout for Currie? Or was he such a crap we waved it to GHTFO?
I read that too, but I'm not sure. This article says it was that amount: http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article135465724.html
His buyout was $1.55 million, which he or Tennessee may owe K-State.
This Tennessee article says different: http://tennessee.247sports.com/Article/Tennessee-releases-contract-details-for-new-AD-John-Currie-51583378
The Vols are responsible for Currie's buyout at Kansas State, which according to the MOU will not exceed $175,000.
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$1.5 million buyout for someone like John Currie seems extremely excessive. When I mean someone like John Currie I mean someone still young and at a school like K-State. I would think that would have greatly limited his options and his agent would be more shrewd than that.
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Woof!
https://twitter.com/JWernerScout/status/843868789066399747
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1.5m is what we had to pay to fire him. $175K is what he had to pay to go elsewhere. It's Section 14 of the original agreement and never got amended.
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=38998.0
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Maybe Bill is paying it
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http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2017/03/21/tom-crean-indiana-hoosiers-fired
Read. We need a draft Tom movement like we did for brad. With Currie gone, they might listen.
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http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2017/03/21/tom-crean-indiana-hoosiers-fired
Read. We need a draft Tom movement like we did for brad. With Currie gone, they might listen.
He also mentioned that Northwestern coach Chris Collins sent Riley a powerful text about his dad, former NBA coach Doug Collins, getting fired by the Bulls in 1989 while Chris Collins was in high school. “Going through that helped prepare him and make him the man he is now and the position that he is in now,” Crean said the text read. “That. Is. Strong.”
Oh, the plight of teenage sons of fired millionaires.
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Oh, the plight of teenage sons of fired millionaires.
The most emotion showed may have come from a hug from his cleaning lady.
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Affluenza is a real disease guys. :frown:
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So, are you all saying keep Oscar because Crean's kid cried? We are all crying over the possibility of more years of mediOscarity. The SI article says crean wants to go to a place with good facilities, good fans, a town he can get involved in, and no ahole administrator. He wants to coach next year, probably power 5 school. Only such school open Okiestate that seems to want Gottlips.
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I don't want Crean because he sucks but his story about his son was a very funny egomaniac coach story.
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I don't want Crean because he sucks but his story about his son was a very funny egomaniac coach story.
Crean is a piece of crap.
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Tho, I shouldn't worry about Crean, because he has way too big of an ego to be in little old Manhattan under the shadow of Bill Self. Now way he takes the KSU job even if it was offered.
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Crean is just BWv2
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I don't get what happened at Indiana. He rebuilt the thing from a really low point and had it rolling and then just tanked. i don't think it's similar to oscar at all.
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i wouldn't want crean long term but if you gave me the option of oscar year 6 or 1 year of crean, i'd take crean. he's a psycho and highly gif'able so at least we'd be entertained
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Crean is solid i think
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Crean does not pass the eye test
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Don't insult Tom Crean by comparing him to Frank Martin who is doing a terrific job this year. You know, I went back and rewatched that Butler game here recently. Denis Clemente and others played like they were half dead in that game while Rodney McGruder hardly saw the light of day in that game. Denis clanked key FT after key FT because of, Frank-ly, being tired. Why was he tired? Oh, because they played a double OT game against a bunch of studs from Xavier. That couldn't be helped...or could it. Hey, I have an idea, DON'T PLAY CHRIS MERIWEATHER and have him foul a guy at the 3 pt line at the buzzer! Granted, I digress, but please....Tom Crean has been there done that when it comes to Final Fours.
man is it fun not to be banned by gpc anymore. missed that place.
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i wouldn't want crean long term but if you gave me the option of oscar year 6 or 1 year of crean, i'd take crean. he's a psycho and highly gif'able so at least we'd be entertained
Year 6 is gonna be the most entertaining yet. With almost everyone on board as early as the first lol open gym, kstatembb 17-18 has the opportunity to be the most hated team in the history of the world, and it's not one to be taken lightly.
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eff this is gonna be a long wait :frown:
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Don't insult Tom Crean by comparing him to Frank Martin who is doing a terrific job this year. You know, I went back and rewatched that Butler game here recently. Denis Clemente and others played like they were half dead in that game while Rodney McGruder hardly saw the light of day in that game. Denis clanked key FT after key FT because of, Frank-ly, being tired. Why was he tired? Oh, because they played a double OT game against a bunch of studs from Xavier. That couldn't be helped...or could it. Hey, I have an idea, DON'T PLAY CHRIS MERIWEATHER and have him foul a guy at the 3 pt line at the buzzer! Granted, I digress, but please....Tom Crean has been there done that when it comes to Final Fours.
man is it fun not to be banned by gpc anymore. missed that place.
I like Frank, I don't share the sycophantic love of Frank that so many on here have. So I'll say that it's absolutely true that Frank buried extremely capable and much-needed depth for extremely weird and maniacal reasons at times, and that point was proven with several players once he was gone. FFS, guys who turned out to be good players for effing oscar Weber couldn't even fart and Frank yanked them from the game.
Truth
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Don't insult Tom Crean by comparing him to Frank Martin who is doing a terrific job this year. You know, I went back and rewatched that Butler game here recently. Denis Clemente and others played like they were half dead in that game while Rodney McGruder hardly saw the light of day in that game. Denis clanked key FT after key FT because of, Frank-ly, being tired. Why was he tired? Oh, because they played a double OT game against a bunch of studs from Xavier. That couldn't be helped...or could it. Hey, I have an idea, DON'T PLAY CHRIS MERIWEATHER and have him foul a guy at the 3 pt line at the buzzer! Granted, I digress, but please....Tom Crean has been there done that when it comes to Final Fours.
man is it fun not to be banned by gpc anymore. missed that place.
I like Frank, I don't share the sycophantic love of Frank that so many on here have. So I'll say that it's absolutely true that Frank buried extremely capable and much-needed depth for extremely weird and maniacal reasons at times, and that point was proven with several players once he was gone. FFS, guys who turned out to be good players for effing oscar Weber couldn't even fart and Frank yanked them from the game.
Truth
Like who?
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Frank has changed as a coach. Not too long ago SC suspended him for a sideline tirade. He has learned from this. I am tired of the old girlfriend syndrome many still have for Frank. For KState he is in our history; this chicken is dead, stewed, eaten, and sent to the sewage plant. So do we hold a new coach to a Martin standard or a Oscar standard. Not to a personality standard for either, but results standard yes. IU redassfans wanted Crean to be Knight. Dumb bastards lost a good coach. Crean would be a hell of a lot better than Weber.
I think as a previous post stated - something is afoot. Can anyone find anything recently saying the ADministration has praised Weber.
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Don't insult Tom Crean by comparing him to Frank Martin who is doing a terrific job this year. You know, I went back and rewatched that Butler game here recently. Denis Clemente and others played like they were half dead in that game while Rodney McGruder hardly saw the light of day in that game. Denis clanked key FT after key FT because of, Frank-ly, being tired. Why was he tired? Oh, because they played a double OT game against a bunch of studs from Xavier. That couldn't be helped...or could it. Hey, I have an idea, DON'T PLAY CHRIS MERIWEATHER and have him foul a guy at the 3 pt line at the buzzer! Granted, I digress, but please....Tom Crean has been there done that when it comes to Final Fours.
man is it fun not to be banned by gpc anymore. missed that place.
I like Frank, I don't share the sycophantic love of Frank that so many on here have. So I'll say that it's absolutely true that Frank buried extremely capable and much-needed depth for extremely weird and maniacal reasons at times, and that point was proven with several players once he was gone. FFS, guys who turned out to be good players for effing oscar Weber couldn't even fart and Frank yanked them from the game.
Truth
i was more like making fun of hating on our best postseason run in 30 years for ending in a loss to the future coach of the celtics and a first round nba'er. but whatever dude.
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The women are done playing. oscar is still our coach.
Dark times friends, dark times.
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Kind of interesting that the administration is embodying Snyder levels of utter silence right now (unless I missed something). I'd like to think that there'e some sort of master plan to network and get a replacement coach locked down by the end of the NCAA torn-a-ment, because if they're just sitting on their hands and while fiddling around with the AD situation, that's only going to make the drumbeat of pissed off non-gE fans like Fitz louder.
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Kind of interesting that the administration is embodying Snyder levels of utter silence right now (unless I missed something). I'd like to think that there'e some sort of master plan to network and get a replacement coach locked down by the end of the NCAA torn-a-ment, because if they're just sitting on their hands and while fiddling around with the AD situation, that's only going to make the drumbeat of pissed off non-gE fans like Fitz louder.
Yea, been wondering when we were going to get some insidery info about the AD search, but nothing yet :cry:
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http://www.blogabull.com/2017/3/15/14922066/bulls-fire-fred-hoiberg-at-least-they-should
We aren't waiting on the tournament guys, we are waiting on the Bulls to miss the playoffs. :crossfingers:
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Crean said he hopes to coach in 2017-18 but will wait to find the right fit before accepting a new job.
"The only thing worse than having this happen is to go somewhere we're not aligned properly," Crean said. "A good job, a great job, those all come down to the alignment. Resources are important. Facilities are important. Tradition is important. Fan bases are important. Where can you recruit is important. But alignment is key. That, for me, is what you're looking for."
SI interview with Tom Crean. Sounds us.
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I'd be more excited about Hoiberg than most of the other names that get thrown around here. But I'm not reading much into the silence. The AD knows they're just going to piss people off if they throw support behind oscar, so why bother saying anything if you expect him back next year?
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I'd run to the nearest semi-private spot and rub one out over Hoib. I can't think of any reason a tater wouldn't love having him.
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Kind of interesting that the administration is embodying Snyder levels of utter silence right now (unless I missed something). I'd like to think that there'e some sort of master plan to network and get a replacement coach locked down by the end of the NCAA torn-a-ment, because if they're just sitting on their hands and while fiddling around with the AD situation, that's only going to make the drumbeat of pissed off non-gE fans like Fitz louder.
Yea, been wondering when we were going to get some insidery info about the AD search, but nothing yet :cry:
Hearing they're putting a full court press on Hocutt, they really want him. Sounds like Weiberg isn't much of an option due the OSU job possibly being open soon.
Expect it to be Veatch if it's not Hocutt.
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hoiberg seems impossible but oh man would I love it
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our fanbase talking about the possibility of fred hoiberg considering kansas state is pretty embarrassing fwiw
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every mayor a wildcat
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our fanbase talking about the possibility of fred hoiberg considering kansas state is pretty embarrassing fwiw
:frown:
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iowa state fans would flush prohm down the toilet in a second if they thought hoiberg wanted back into college coaching. and wouldn't the guy would have his pick of jobs if he did come back?
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our fanbase talking about the possibility of fred hoiberg considering kansas state is pretty embarrassing fwiw
Please expound on this line of thinking. Is it because of the inevitable pay cut?
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For a fan base that hates all things Iowa- Waters, Ertz, etc. I'm so surprised they'd take him in with open arms.
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iowa state fans would flush prohm down the toilet in a second if they thought hoiberg wanted back into college coaching. and wouldn't the guy would have his pick of jobs if he did come back?
No one wants to go back to the same job they just left after getting fired from the new job they left it for.
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For a fan base that hates all things Iowa- Waters, Ertz, etc. I'm so surprised they'd take him in with open arms.
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iowa state fans would flush prohm down the toilet in a second if they thought hoiberg wanted back into college coaching. and wouldn't the guy would have his pick of jobs if he did come back?
Then lets take Prohm, I don't think it is out the question that Prohm isn't the better coach.
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Love Ertz, don't love Waters, get it right.
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Who hates ertz?? :confused:
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Who hates ertz?? :confused:
Many before he got good, because of Iowa.
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:lol:
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http://www.blogabull.com/2017/3/15/14922066/bulls-fire-fred-hoiberg-at-least-they-should
We aren't waiting on the tournament guys, we are waiting on the Bulls to miss the playoffs. :crossfingers:
let me be the first to welcome Jim Boylen as the 25th head coach of Kstate basketball
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iowa state fans would flush prohm down the toilet in a second if they thought hoiberg wanted back into college coaching. and wouldn't the guy would have his pick of jobs if he did come back?
Well Prohm very well may leave on his own, maybe we can get him if oscar gets canned late. ISU gave him a new contract today and it confirms that Jamie Pollard is a cheap eff, who doesn't care about basketball.
Get this, they have the dude a one year extension and a 250,000 raise; I didn't leave out a zero. So before they redid his contract only Chris Beard made less, he passed no one in the list. The poor bastard only makes $1.75 million :lol:
When Iowa State stops lucking into basketball success the fall will be long and hard. There is no reason at all the head coach of a program that sells 15,000 tickets every night should only make $1.75 million, that's a joke.
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http://www.blogabull.com/2017/3/15/14922066/bulls-fire-fred-hoiberg-at-least-they-should
We aren't waiting on the tournament guys, we are waiting on the Bulls to miss the playoffs. :crossfingers:
let me be the first to welcome Jim Boylen as the 25th head coach of Kstate basketball
haha I made this same joke a while back
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iowa state fans would flush prohm down the toilet in a second if they thought hoiberg wanted back into college coaching. and wouldn't the guy would have his pick of jobs if he did come back?
What jobs are open? I don't think Indiana would take him.
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Just to be clear the raise wasn't $250,000 per year, it was $250,000 only.
The amendment set a 2020-21 salary at $1.75 million, which added $875,000 to both sides' buyout obligation should Prohm leave for another job or ISU terminate him without cause.
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iowa state fans would flush prohm down the toilet in a second if they thought hoiberg wanted back into college coaching. and wouldn't the guy would have his pick of jobs if he did come back?
Well Prohm very well may leave on his own, maybe we can get him if oscar gets canned late. ISU gave him a new contract today and it confirms that Jamie Pollard is a cheap eff, who doesn't care about basketball.
Get this, they have the dude a one year extension and a 250,000 raise; I didn't leave out a zero. So before they redid his contract only Chris Beard made less, he passed no one in the list. The poor bastard only makes $1.75 million :lol:
When Iowa State stops lucking into basketball success the fall will be long and hard. There is no reason at all the head coach of a program that sells 15,000 tickets every night should only make $1.75 million, that's a joke.
That's really pretty unbelievable. They are currently one of the top 3-4 programs in this league with probably the 2nd best fan base, they should act like it.
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He had Brad-esque success at his first stop, too. Would take.
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They said thru would renegotiate with him "later" whatever that means. They're using his being due at the end of the week as cover for being ridiculous. If you want a good wtf, read here
http://www.amestrib.com/sports/20170322/mens-basketball-prohm-on-contract-well-sit-down-and-well-talk-and-well-go-from-there-i-just-like-being-here
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I didn't realize LSU hired Will Wade
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I have two friends that live in Des Moines and there are a few Oscar Weber rumblings
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I have two friends that live in Des Moines and there are a few Oscar Weber rumblings
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Guys oscar ain't goin anywhere
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They said thru would renegotiate with him "later" whatever that means. They're using his being due at the end of the week as cover for being ridiculous. If you want a good wtf, read here
http://www.amestrib.com/sports/20170322/mens-basketball-prohm-on-contract-well-sit-down-and-well-talk-and-well-go-from-there-i-just-like-being-here
wow- how big was the dent Steve put in his Taurus when he saw that Brad got a $18 million contract?
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http://www.blogabull.com/2017/3/15/14922066/bulls-fire-fred-hoiberg-at-least-they-should
We aren't waiting on the tournament guys, we are waiting on the Bulls to miss the playoffs. :crossfingers:
let me be the first to welcome Jim Boylen as the 25th head coach of Kstate basketball
haha I made this same joke a while back
oh, let me be the second then
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http://www.blogabull.com/2017/3/15/14922066/bulls-fire-fred-hoiberg-at-least-they-should
We aren't waiting on the tournament guys, we are waiting on the Bulls to miss the playoffs. :crossfingers:
let me be the first to welcome Jim Boylen as the 25th head coach of Kstate basketball
haha I made this same joke a while back
oh, let me be the second then
I enjoyed it more the second time. :thumbs:
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:dunno:
maybe pollard isn't a cheap ad. maybe iowa state is just really poor and they did all that they could?
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:dunno:
maybe pollard isn't a cheap ad. maybe iowa state is just really poor and they did all that they could?
Their football program is terrible, so that seems plausible.
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I have two friends that live in Des Moines and there are a few Oscar Weber rumblings
LOL, no there isn't. Drake offered the head coach of the University of South Dakota $500,000 per year, he currently makes $200,000. I believe they gave him 24 hours to make a decision.
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how is ISU so poor? don't they sell out basketball and football on the reg? are their tickets like $2 each? not charging enough for walking tacos?
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if they weren't so poor wouldn't they have done something with their concrete bunker basketball arena and their naia football field?
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if they weren't so poor wouldn't they have done something with their concrete bunker basketball arena and their naia football field?
makes you think
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They are still prolly paying off all the damage from the flood
Lots of sheetrock to install, I'm sure.
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maybe they took an oath of poorness?
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Revenues are same as ours, maybe they just are bad at managing money.
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So still nothing?
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Need to organize an #OccupyBTF until his loser ass is fired
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Probably have a done deal with one of the sweet 16 coaches
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Well coach Cal just signed an extension. So it's not him.
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Must be one of 15 others
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Must be one of 15 others
:crossfingers:
Mark Few
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Dana Altman coming home
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Must be one of 15 others
Chris Holtmann
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Once he made the tourney and Currie left, our fate was sealed. Not sure how anyone hoped/felt differently.
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Must be one of 15 others
:crossfingers:
Mark Few
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Dana Altman coming home
i know this is going to sound uber weird but i really don't want altman back. instead of oscar? sure. but not much else.
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Man this is taking for-ev-er!
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Man this is taking for-ev-er!
I know. Most boringest KSU cat coach search ever.
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I have two friends that live in Des Moines and there are a few Oscar Weber rumblings
LOL, no there isn't. Drake offered the head coach of the University of South Dakota $500,000 per year, he currently makes $200,000. I believe they gave him 24 hours to make a decision.
Remember Oscar flirted with Saint Louis last off season a bit, oh well, runnerup to the first year South Dakota coach that finished .500, good try ole Oscar
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Status: Nope.
Reason: Chatting with Melanie's grandpa in Hutch.
https://twitter.com/Melanay20/status/845130338133168130
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I bet our hutch cats and squawks could get more info
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It seems weird that I can't find any post season statement from our sports administration that praises Weber on a good year. Someone posted maybe we are discussing something with a Sweet 16 coach. Chris Holtmann is being courted by OSU. Why not KSU?
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What if we steal billy self? :Wha:
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Self would never go to a school that cares about football.
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When is this doofus going to get canned?! Good grief!
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Rome is burning, and we have a bunch of Neros. I'll write an email for them if they lack the stones to can him face to gapping mouth face.
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I'd say just prepare yourself for whatever means you are going to use to cope with oscar as our coach next year.
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I'd say just prepare yourself for whatever means you are going to use to cope with oscar as our coach next year.
If you spend even a single penny on KSU basketball, or attend a single game, you are demonstrating your support for oscar Webber. Don't rough ridin' kid yourself otherwise.
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I'd say just prepare yourself for whatever means you are going to use to cope with oscar as our coach next year.
If you spend even a single penny on KSU basketball, or attend a single game, you are demonstrating your support for oscar Webber. Don't rough ridin' kid yourself otherwise.
Can I watch on my color television set?
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nope
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I'd say just prepare yourself for whatever means you are going to use to cope with oscar as our coach next year.
If you spend even a single penny on KSU basketball, or attend a single game, you are demonstrating your support for oscar Webber. Don't rough ridin' kid yourself otherwise.
Can I watch on my color television set?
I'm fairly certain Pete advocates total abstinence when it comes to Weber and K-State basketball.
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It will be easier to not watch if Cartier doesn't pan out or transfers. I only cared this year because of Wes.
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Hooterville Bill next door going the final four. Frank has his team knocking on the door to the final four. Mizzou has gone from poor on its way to soar. Cowokies have a new young coach that won't be a bore. We have old Oscar the bore that should have be gone after four.
This is sad. I wore my lucky KState shirt today. The weather man said a it would be a lukewarm and dreary day, seemed like appropriate apparel.
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I'd say just prepare yourself for whatever means you are going to use to cope with oscar as our coach next year.
If you spend even a single penny on KSU basketball, or attend a single game, you are demonstrating your support for oscar Webber. Don't rough ridin' kid yourself otherwise.
Can I watch on my color television set?
I'm fairly certain Pete advocates total abstinence when it comes to Weber and K-State basketball.
Ever since Pete stopped expending his viral essences on K-State sports he has lost 50 lbs and turned in to pure hot silver steel.
Me? I'm oscar's big happy dough boy.
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Ever since Pete stopped expending his viral essences on K-State sports he has lost 50 lbs and turned in to pure hot silver steel.
Me? I'm oscar's big happy dough boy.
I was in the same bo(y)at at the beginning of January and have since slimmed down a bit, but nothing in comparison to Pete.
It would be pretty weird for me to be right on the fence though between two things.
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oscar is the coach KSU deserves
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oscar is the coach KSU deserves
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But not the one it needs.
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He's Adam West Batman.
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Is he still here?
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Why is this soul-sucking dufoos still on my campus?
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Eff JC and oscar
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oscar isn't fired yet as kstate was waiting for frank to go out of the tournament.
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Good luck to the new AD's twitter account if he doesn't use the introductory press conference to fire oscar. Frank's final four was more harmful to oscar than the timing of Currie's departure was helpful.
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Good luck to the new AD's twitter account if he doesn't use the introductory press conference to fire oscar. Frank's final four was more harmful to oscar than the timing of Currie's departure was helpful.
I hope you are correct.
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Good luck to the new AD's twitter account if he doesn't use the introductory press conference to fire oscar. Frank's final four was more harmful to oscar than the timing of Currie's departure was helpful.
Agree
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I would love to know how many emails Laird has received within 1 hour of each of Frank's last 3 wins.
To expand on MIR's point, if they pick Laird now I wonder if they'll wait a couple more weeks just to let the fire die down.
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If they are picking Currie's partner, Laird, then jack rough ridin' squat will be done.
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Emailed him. Needed lots of words.
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He's Adam West Batman.
I feel this went underappreciated
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Tell'em 8man
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Any rumblings?
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Any rumblings?
Nah they're gonna cone of silence this all the way to a oscar extension announcement at 1 AM on a Sunday
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Any rumblings?
The only rumblings are coming from oscar's stomach.
https://twitter.com/lukemc58/status/846102049687289856
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hey oscar, chicken nuggets wouldn't be in the soda aisle :rolleyes:
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weirdo tweet by @lukemc58.
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weirdo tweet by @lukemc58.
I laughed, but man that's stalkery.
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If oscar is still comfortable running errands out and about manhattan, then you people that want him gone aren't pulling your weight.
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Ugh!
http://themercury.com/articles/weber-to-return-for-sixth-season
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Cool
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weirdo tweet by @lukemc58.
I laughed, but man that's stalkery.
https://twitter.com/lukemc58/status/846106930435293184
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“We took a step forward this year, and we look forward to making another step forward next year,” Athletics Director Laird Veatch told The Mercury Monday.
:lol: :woot:
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Welp... Laird Veatch is no longer an acceptable candidate for AD :shakesfist:
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It's really a dumb move for a potential AD candidate. Veatch could have distinguished himself from the other AD candidates by making the call that Oscar was done here. But he didn't. He even went that extra step of defending Oscar, so now when the team loses again next year, if Veatch is the AD, he's got an albatross across his neck because Oscar is now his guy.
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Laird and Myers can f themselves, let Brad slip away and they are happy with this loser, BOYCOTT
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Maybe Laird is giving oscar the thumbs up to cheat more?
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I'm just surprised it took this long for this to happen.
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I'm just surprised it took this long for this to happen.
Right? Did they try for someone through back channels and missed? Did they feel the need to say something now because they felt a little heat from Frank's success?
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Maybe he was hoping to get Frank or Underwood and both kinda went big and didn't go home so he's seeing what the coaching pool is like next year since this years isn't fantastic? :dunno:
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That is my hope manpow
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I'm just surprised it took this long for this to happen.
Right? Did they try for someone through back channels and missed? Did they feel the need to say something now because they felt a little heat from Frank's success?
Got to be it, right? It doesn't take two and a half weeks to decide whether you're going to retain a basketball coach, especially one you know so much about. Like, oscar is oscar at this point. I think we did our due diligence to see if there was a better option and decided that next year would probably be better given the candidates willing/available to take the job right now.
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I'm just surprised it took this long for this to happen.
Right? Did they try for someone through back channels and missed? Did they feel the need to say something now because they felt a little heat from Frank's success?
Got to be it, right? It doesn't take two and a half weeks to decide whether you're going to retain a basketball coach, especially one you know so much about. Like, oscar is oscar at this point. I think we did our due diligence to see if there was a better option and decided that next year would probably be better given the candidates willing/available to take the job right now.
I hope this is the case.
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I'm just surprised it took this long for this to happen.
Right? Did they try for someone through back channels and missed? Did they feel the need to say something now because they felt a little heat from Frank's success?
Got to be it, right? It doesn't take two and a half weeks to decide whether you're going to retain a basketball coach, especially one you know so much about. Like, oscar is oscar at this point. I think we did our due diligence to see if there was a better option and decided that next year would probably be better given the candidates willing/available to take the job right now.
I hope this is the case.
you guys are giving far too much credit to an athletic department who has proven itself to be completely incompetent when it relates to their coaches
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I'm just surprised it took this long for this to happen.
Right? Did they try for someone through back channels and missed? Did they feel the need to say something now because they felt a little heat from Frank's success?
Got to be it, right? It doesn't take two and a half weeks to decide whether you're going to retain a basketball coach, especially one you know so much about. Like, oscar is oscar at this point. I think we did our due diligence to see if there was a better option and decided that next year would probably be better given the candidates willing/available to take the job right now.
I hope this is the case.
you guys are giving far too much credit to an athletic department who has proven itself to be completely incompetent when it relates to their coaches
Yep
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This was never in question. They weren't waiting on anything, I imagine they were surprised to have to say anything.
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This was never in question. They weren't waiting on anything, I imagine they were surprised to have to say anything.
Yup
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Yup. Yup yup yup yup yup yup yup yup yup yup yup yup yup
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Pretty mumped up
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was it really a strangely timed announcement? It's almost a year to the date from this:
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article68678882.html
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K-State athletics, where there is a fine line between excuses and analysis.
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Isn't it possible that the Athletic Department and the AD candidates are discussing the pressing football transition and giving basketball a pass for a year, cause it's (barely) tolerable, and not the crucial revenue sport
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Isn't it possible that the Athletic Department and the AD candidates are discussing the pressing football transition and giving basketball a pass for a year, cause it's (barely) tolerable, and not the crucial revenue sport
Yes, because it is so very trying in a $100K+ position to have to distinctly focus on two tasks at once...writing a list of potential football coaches to one-day replace a legend plus finding a basketball coach that can possibly strive to even think of getting his team into the NCAA tournament every year.
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Doug Gottlieb still available?
:Lurk:
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Isn't it possible that the Athletic Department and the AD candidates are discussing the pressing football transition and giving basketball a pass for a year, cause it's (barely) tolerable, and not the crucial revenue sport
No
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Isn't it possible that the Athletic Department and the AD candidates are discussing the pressing football transition and giving basketball a pass for a year, cause it's (barely) tolerable, and not the crucial revenue sport
What exactly is the athletic department or anyone else doing to address this supposed "pressing football transition?" Does Laird Veatch give LHC Bill Snyder daily cancer scans? Are the rest of the athletic department employees dividing and conquering interviews with all football coaches in America for the eventual day LHC Bill Snyder quits at some point?
I know your post was just a reason to take some stupid shot at college basketball but it is actually quite a critical revenue sport. Any revenue stream is crucial.
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You shut your disrespectful mouth. nobody gets to talk to porky morgan like that.
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I think the barely tolerable was in reference to oscar not cbb as a whole
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It really is amazing to me that some of you were still holding out hope that he'd be fired this year. Once he beat Baylor in the tourney, that sailed away.
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i think some people hold out hope that despite continually doing the wrong thing for years, and while trying to screw things up further, that our university will stumble and accidentally do something right for once.
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Hope is a good thing. Being a KSU Cats basketball fan requires a substantial amount of it.
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Hope is a good thing. Being a KSU Cats basketball fan requires a substantial amount of it.
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You shut your disrespectful mouth. nobody gets to talk to porky morgan like that.
:lol: #FAMILY
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What will next year look like?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8BPDEpVYAElQ1l.png:large)
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Next year will probably be about like year 2 of Martin. Maybe a little bit worse.
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Also a factor with the numbers is when Currie (I think) switched from counting actual attendance to tickets sold.
That factors into sell outs; I was at the Texas game this year as an example and technically it was "sold out" because attendance is listed at capacity, but it wasn't full. There were probably 10K people there, but not full.
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You shut your disrespectful mouth. nobody gets to talk to porky morgan like that.
Sorry bub, it needed to be said. It was gentle, respectful PI.
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https://twitter.com/scottwildcat/status/846768086682361857
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https://twitter.com/scottwildcat/status/846768086682361857
Very dishonest
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https://twitter.com/scottwildcat/status/846768086682361857
currie, that ole sly dog
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I think next season's attendance will be very similar to this season's.
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So are we gonna lock this thing down until next year or what?
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Need to start planting receipts of oscar wiring money to whichever pud players he is out recruiting
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So are we gonna lock this thing down until next year or what?
no. we took a step forward towards getting him fired this year and we look forward to making another step forward next year
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I think next season's attendance will be very similar to this season's.
Yep
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https://twitter.com/scottwildcat/status/846768086682361857
Very dishonest
They can put all of the lipstick on this pig they want to but the true sense of how the fans feel is in ticket revenue, season ticket sales, and Ahearn seat donations. There are all kinds of ways to manipulate attendance numbers.
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I think next season's attendance will be very similar to this season's.
Yep
I agree.
They'll likely "sell out" the student allotment because of football, then be able to sell GA tickets to most games because they know all those students will show for basketball.
Plus, plenty of people will still buy their basketball season tickets, single games, and I'm sure they'll come up with more buyer friendly ticket packages.
We are still a long way from the Asbury/Wooly days, but then again probably not as far away as others think we are.
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I think next season's attendance will be very similar to this season's.
Yep
I agree.
They'll likely "sell out" the student allotment because of football, then be able to sell GA tickets to most games because they know all those students will show for basketball.
Plus, plenty of people will still buy their basketball season tickets, single games, and I'm sure they'll come up with more buyer friendly ticket packages.
We are still a long way from the Asbury/Wooly days, but then again probably not as far away as others think we are.
The biggest difference between the Asbury/Wooly days and today is that we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product and to get tickets into people's hands that don't want to pay full price for a substandard product.
L
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I think next season's attendance will be very similar to this season's.
Yep
I agree.
They'll likely "sell out" the student allotment because of football, then be able to sell GA tickets to most games because they know all those students will show for basketball.
Plus, plenty of people will still buy their basketball season tickets, single games, and I'm sure they'll come up with more buyer friendly ticket packages.
We are still a long way from the Asbury/Wooly days, but then again probably not as far away as others think we are.
The biggest difference between the Asbury/Wooly days and today is that we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product and to get tickets into people's hands that don't want to pay full price for a substandard product.
L
Also Wooly only sniffed the NIT bubble. And only did it once. Weber's teams are a lot better.
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I think next season's attendance will be very similar to this season's.
Yep
I agree.
They'll likely "sell out" the student allotment because of football, then be able to sell GA tickets to most games because they know all those students will show for basketball.
Plus, plenty of people will still buy their basketball season tickets, single games, and I'm sure they'll come up with more buyer friendly ticket packages.
We are still a long way from the Asbury/Wooly days, but then again probably not as far away as others think we are.
The biggest difference between the Asbury/Wooly days and today is that we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product and to get tickets into people's hands that don't want to pay full price for a substandard product.
L
Also Wooly only sniffed the NIT bubble. And only did it once. Weber's teams are a lot better.
Yeah, its LOLable how bad we were under Wooly. Its hard to imagine we let it get to that point.
Plus I'm pretty sure people turned on/hated Asbury much worse after his 3rd year than Weber.
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I think next season's attendance will be very similar to this season's.
Yep
I agree.
They'll likely "sell out" the student allotment because of football, then be able to sell GA tickets to most games because they know all those students will show for basketball.
Plus, plenty of people will still buy their basketball season tickets, single games, and I'm sure they'll come up with more buyer friendly ticket packages.
We are still a long way from the Asbury/Wooly days, but then again probably not as far away as others think we are.
The biggest difference between the Asbury/Wooly days and today is that we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product and to get tickets into people's hands that don't want to pay full price for a substandard product.
L
Also Wooly only sniffed the NIT bubble. And only did it once. Weber's teams are a lot better.
Yeah, its LOLable how bad we were under Wooly. Its hard to imagine we let it get to that point.
Plus I'm pretty sure people turned on/hated Asbury much worse after his 3rd year than Weber.
Bib overalls :lol:
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I think next season's attendance will be very similar to this season's.
Yep
I agree.
They'll likely "sell out" the student allotment because of football, then be able to sell GA tickets to most games because they know all those students will show for basketball.
Plus, plenty of people will still buy their basketball season tickets, single games, and I'm sure they'll come up with more buyer friendly ticket packages.
We are still a long way from the Asbury/Wooly days, but then again probably not as far away as others think we are.
The biggest difference between the Asbury/Wooly days and today is that we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product and to get tickets into people's hands that don't want to pay full price for a substandard product.
L
Also Wooly only sniffed the NIT bubble. And only did it once. Weber's teams are a lot better.
Yeah, its LOLable how bad we were under Wooly. Its hard to imagine we let it get to that point.
Plus I'm pretty sure people turned on/hated Asbury much worse after his 3rd year than Weber.
i don't think so. people really hate oscar. it didn't seem the same about asbury. people were apathetic towards basketball in the mid-90's. this is when snyder really started to take off and football had the fans by the balls and vag pretty securely.
asbury's 3rd year in 96-97 he went 3-13 but it was our 10-2 holiday bowl year. 4 consecutive 11 win seasons were staring at us in the face. our basketball arena was outfitted with teal accents and nobody GAF.
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The teal! :lol:
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That team sucked too. The losses of Hatcher and Davis from the previous NCAA season led to lowered expectations, but no one expected to be blown out by Wichita State, then have a string of 11 losses in 12 games, and overall finish the season losing 16 of our last 20 games. Only his last season was worse.
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Asbury and Wooly legitimately WANTED to win and be successful, they just did not know this region recruiting-wise and just did not know how to get it done respectively.
Oscar does not want to win and be successful. He wants to simply tread water, take our millions, and retire a wealthy man at our expense. He could have gone into the deep Chicago recruiting alleys to get the talent at Illinois, but he chose not to. He could have very easily aligned himself with an AAU program recruiter like everyone else with a pulse in their program does, but he chooses not to. As long as we allow him to continue to financially rape our donors and program, he will do so.
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our basketball arena was outfitted with teal accents and nobody GAF.
I legitimately do not remember the teal accents. People talk about trying to block horrible memories and it looks like this is an example of where I have suceeded in doing so.
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Asbury and Wooly legitimately WANTED to win and be successful, they just did not know this region recruiting-wise and just did not know how to get it done respectively.
Oscar does not want to win and be successful. He wants to simply tread water, take our millions, and retire a wealthy man at our expense. He could have gone into the deep Chicago recruiting alleys to get the talent at Illinois, but he chose not to. He could have very easily aligned himself with an AAU program recruiter like everyone else with a pulse in their program does, but he chooses not to. As long as we allow him to continue to financially rape our donors and program, he will do so.
I think my feelings on oscar are clear, but come on with this stuff. I can understand why you would really hate oscar if you feel that way, but I see no reason to justify any of that. oscar is a way more successful coach than either of those 2 and it really isn't even close.
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at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it
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at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it
Yeah, I don't think our younger fans realize how bad it was. LA Gear, oh man.
Also, Asbury/Reebok tried some uniform combos, we wore grey/silver a couple of times and black once or twice as well. It was just that nobody cared or knew about it.
I mean, who wouldn't want to have this sweet jacket now?
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.gettyimages.com%2Fphotos%2Fmar-1996-kansas-state-wildcats-head-coach-tom-asbury-confers-with-a-picture-id352804&hash=332d7972254bc0cb866785127857c80aa2db0f30)
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guys, oscar went 5-13 in conference last year
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Asbury and Wooly legitimately WANTED to win and be successful, they just did not know this region recruiting-wise and just did not know how to get it done respectively.
Oscar does not want to win and be successful. He wants to simply tread water, take our millions, and retire a wealthy man at our expense. He could have gone into the deep Chicago recruiting alleys to get the talent at Illinois, but he chose not to. He could have very easily aligned himself with an AAU program recruiter like everyone else with a pulse in their program does, but he chooses not to. As long as we allow him to continue to financially rape our donors and program, he will do so.
Are you that guy who always takes it a step too far?
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at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it
Yeah, I don't think our younger fans realize how bad it was. LA Gear, oh man.
Also, Asbury/Reebok tried some uniform combos, we wore grey/silver a couple of times and black once or twice as well. It was just that nobody cared or knew about it.
I mean, who wouldn't want to have this sweet jacket now?
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.gettyimages.com%2Fphotos%2Fmar-1996-kansas-state-wildcats-head-coach-tom-asbury-confers-with-a-picture-id352804&hash=332d7972254bc0cb866785127857c80aa2db0f30)
https://twitter.com/prumfsy/status/834807736684707840
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we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product
lies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoGMAyzDeRk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQnXtYCf2vE
hey mir, why don't you get that mud off of your face
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guys, oscar went 5-13 in conference last year
Yeah, that's hard to forget.
I looked up all the sub .300 conference seasons in the last 30 years. Asbury had 3 in 6 seasons. Wooly had 2 in 6 seasons. Altman had 2 in 4 seasons.
Year Coach Wins Losses %age
2000 Asbury 2 14 0.125
1997 Asbury 3 13 0.188
1991 Altman 3 11 0.214
1995 Asbury 3 11 0.214
2001 Wooly 4 12 0.250
2003 Wooly 4 12 0.250
2016 Weber 5 13 0.278
1994 Altman 4 10 0.286
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I think my feelings on oscar are clear, but come on with this stuff. I can understand why you would really hate oscar if you feel that way, but I see no reason to justify any of that. oscar is a way more successful coach than either of those 2 and it really isn't even close.
I just described that Oscar is a better coach than the other two, but it's just in the corn-is-better-than-lima-beans sort of manner. Oscar could easily go fight for the talent needed to make that transition to an every-year-NCAA-tournament, and he actively chooses not to.
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I know the stuff about oscar not wanting to get his hands dirty, etc. but at the end of the day he isn't a great recruiter. He isn't terrible either though, he's brought in decent talent here, good enough to win games. oscar's problem always seems to be the consistency of effort/intensity his teams play with during a season, at least in the last 12 seasons at Illinois/K-State.
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at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it
Oh man, I totally forgot about Dana Altman. What's that loser up to I wonder?
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at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it
Oh man, I totally forgot about Dana Altman. What's that loser up to I wonder?
I'm pretty sure he's coaching Marcus Foster.
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at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it
Oh man, I totally forgot about Dana Altman. What's that loser up to I wonder?
coaching at university of Nike
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wooly did a pretty damn good job recruiting. The fact that he got a guy like Hoskins so late in his shitty tenure was pretty remarkable.
oscar does OK, too.
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so maybe it's not that tough to recruit to a decent program in the country's best basketball conference
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Asbury and Wooly legitimately WANTED to win and be successful, they just did not know this region recruiting-wise and just did not know how to get it done respectively.
Oscar does not want to win and be successful. He wants to simply tread water, take our millions, and retire a wealthy man at our expense. He could have gone into the deep Chicago recruiting alleys to get the talent at Illinois, but he chose not to. He could have very easily aligned himself with an AAU program recruiter like everyone else with a pulse in their program does, but he chooses not to. As long as we allow him to continue to financially rape our donors and program, he will do so.
I think my feelings on oscar are clear, but come on with this stuff. I can understand why you would really hate oscar if you feel that way, but I see no reason to justify any of that. oscar is a way more successful coach than either of those 2 and it really isn't even close.
And there is no way that he doesn't want to win. You don't go into this (or really, any) profession where competition is key and not care about winning. Now what he defines as successful, and how he works towards that goal can be debated endlessly. But to say a D-1 coach doesn't want to win is ludicrous. And I am not a fan of his, but the comparisons are not even remotely in the same ballpark.
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at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it
That LA Gear deal reminds me of all the schools getting duped by Under Armour these days.
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I know the stuff about oscar not wanting to get his hands dirty, etc. but at the end of the day he isn't a great recruiter. He isn't terrible either though, he's brought in decent talent here, good enough to win games. oscar's problem always seems to be the consistency of effort/intensity his teams play with during a season, at least in the last 12 seasons at Illinois/K-State.
Look how his team preformed relative to their projected Kenpom scores. Look at its g-score ratings on http://barttorvik.com/team.php?team=Kansas+St. I don't think it is fair to say it is effort/intensity, one of the main reason that isn't his brand of basketball and it will never measure up to the Huggins coaching tree.
I don't think this team was wildly inconsistent outside of how poor they played at OU. I don't think it is fair to judge a season or team on one game. In total they seemed to be a pretty solid team that just wasn't good enough to make a push where fans wanted them to be in a loaded big 12. They stayed between 26-36 ranking the entire big 12 season and did that with no bench. Not having a bench and being decently young add to a normal amount inconsistency.
I think most of the issues with this team fall under the roster building. Having the roster flip over two years had a negative effect. The team had depth issues. The team had issues with having size, strength and athleticism at the post position. Team had point guard issues with only having Kam.
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at least asbury ended our contract with LA Gear that he inherited from altman
there were so many embarrassing things about our program back then, we've come a long way when you stop and think about it
That LA Gear deal reminds me of all the schools getting duped by Under Armour these days.
:facepalm:
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we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product
lies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoGMAyzDeRk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQnXtYCf2vE
hey mir, why don't you get that mud off of your face
Yes! Those two commercials were the gold standard. As terrible as that era of basketball was I miss those promos. Back then we did a commercial and a poster and nothing else. I used to get so amped for basketball when those commercials started. HELL YES COACH, I'M READY! At least we had a likeable program then :cry:
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I think my feelings on oscar are clear, but come on with this stuff. I can understand why you would really hate oscar if you feel that way, but I see no reason to justify any of that. oscar is a way more successful coach than either of those 2 and it really isn't even close.
I just described that Oscar is a better coach than the other two, but it's just in the corn-is-better-than-lima-beans sort of manner. Oscar could easily go fight for the talent needed to make that transition to an every-year-NCAA-tournament, and he actively chooses not to.
Am I crazy or did he recruit Marcus Foster and Westicles?
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we didn't have a ticket office and marketing department that did things to promote the product
lies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoGMAyzDeRk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQnXtYCf2vE
hey mir, why don't you get that mud off of your face
Yes! Those two commercials were the gold standard. As terrible as that era of basketball was I miss those promos. Back then we did a commercial and a poster and nothing else. I used to get so amped for basketball when those commercials started. HELL YES COACH, I'M READY! At least we had a likeable program then :cry:
Yes, those are amazing commercials.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH84wXjpW-Q
that ball with those shades!
god bless fatty
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I think my feelings on oscar are clear, but come on with this stuff. I can understand why you would really hate oscar if you feel that way, but I see no reason to justify any of that. oscar is a way more successful coach than either of those 2 and it really isn't even close.
I just described that Oscar is a better coach than the other two, but it's just in the corn-is-better-than-lima-beans sort of manner. Oscar could easily go fight for the talent needed to make that transition to an every-year-NCAA-tournament, and he actively chooses not to.
Am I crazy or did he recruit Marcus Foster and Westicles?
Wade, Sneed, Harris, DJamer, etc. Biggest misconception about oscar. Hate him for who he is, but stop bringing up this lame ass talking point that he can't recruit ppl. :jerk:
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Hey wacky, do us all a favor and never post on this forum ever again
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:lol:
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newsflash- we don't make the tournament this year if it was still just 64 teams. that would mean three years in a row of non ncaa tournament. well recruited teams don't miss the tournament three years in a row. that's like saying you recruit well in football, but have missed out on a bowl game three years in a row which would be stupid to say. so yeah on the oscar doesn't recruit well front. also, if oscar took over after Asbury, I don't think he would have done much/any better than wooly and if wooly took over after frank, I don't think he would have done much/any worse than weber. nobody can convince me that they are that much different.
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oscar recruits ok, it's the other coaching stuff he's not so good at
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Yeah, sorry daris, we did make the tourney this year with his recruits tho. Stop playing the what if game. trash him for other crap.
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He is ok at finding wings but his points are projects and his posts at ksu have almost all been disasters
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Its hard for me to think Wooly could have had any success no matter what. He coached D1 teams for 19 seasons and had 1 NCAA (his only postseason). His teams only finished .500 or better in conference play 5 times. Wooly is a likable guy who was a bad basketball coach. Weber isn't a likable guy and is an average basketball coach.
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oscar recruits ok, it's the other coaching stuff he's not so good at
i'll agree that weber recruits ok. but I'm not going to agree that he recruits well or even above average.
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newsflash- we don't make the tournament this year if it was still just 64 teams. that would mean three years in a row of non ncaa tournament. well recruited teams don't miss the tournament three years in a row. that's like saying you recruit well in football, but have missed out on a bowl game three years in a row which would be stupid to say. so yeah on the oscar doesn't recruit well front. also, if oscar took over after Asbury, I don't think he would have done much/any better than wooly and if wooly took over after frank, I don't think he would have done much/any worse than weber. nobody can convince me that they are that much different.
We probably would have been a whole lot better this year and last year if oscar would have handled Marcus Foster better.
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Yeah, sorry daris, we did make the tourney this year with his recruits tho. Stop playing the what if game. trash him for other crap.
I'll trash him for whatever I want to dickface. the point is that comparing him to wooly based on tournament appearances isn't a fair comparison because this team would not have been a tournament team when wooly was coaching. that needs to be acknowledged.
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Its hard for me to think Wooly could have had any success no matter what. He coached D1 teams for 19 seasons and had 1 NCAA (his only postseason). His teams only finished .500 or better in conference play 5 times. Wooly is a likable guy who was a bad basketball coach. Weber isn't a likable guy and is an average basketball coach.
did wooly ever inherit a team that had five future nba players on it? because if he would have, I'm guessing he would have made the tournament more times than one time.
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Yes, those are amazing commercials.
Kansas State Basketball: We will make sure there is a team on the floor at tip off. After that, no promises or refunds. Go Cats.
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oscar recruits ok, it's the other coaching stuff he's not so good at
i'll agree that weber recruits ok. but I'm not going to agree that he recruits well or even above average.
I think oscar does everything at a C+/B- range, and when the conditions are right, he can reach to a B/B+. But that's like once or twice a decade.
I mean, the whole narrative I see with most oscar supporters, even those playing Devil's advocate is that we could do worse. I got into it with Tyler Dreiling on Twitter over that.
And I'm not proud of that last sentence. I'm really not.
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oscar recruits ok, it's the other coaching stuff he's not so good at
i'll agree that weber recruits ok. but I'm not going to agree that he recruits well or even above average.
I think oscar does everything at a C+/B- range, and when the conditions are right, he can reach to a B/B+. But that's like once or twice a decade.
I mean, the whole narrative I see with most oscar supporters, even those playing Devil's advocate is that we could do worse. I got into it with Tyler Dreiling on Twitter over that.
And I'm not proud of that last sentence. I'm really not.
:lol:
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:lol:
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He is ok at finding wings but his points are projects and his posts at ksu have almost all been disasters
wes was our pg this year, say that to his face
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Wes is a great example of oscar's good wing recruiting
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Its hard for me to think Wooly could have had any success no matter what. He coached D1 teams for 19 seasons and had 1 NCAA (his only postseason). His teams only finished .500 or better in conference play 5 times. Wooly is a likable guy who was a bad basketball coach. Weber isn't a likable guy and is an average basketball coach.
Being .500 at the p5 conference level would probably put him above average depending on the context. I think it is also fair to say quality of a individual coach is fluid and is also very dependent on his coaching staff. Scott Drew is better coach today than he was 4 years ago. The question is from where Weber is now is he moving up in the market or is the market surpassing him.
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Wes is a great example of oscar's good wing recruiting
Oscar is good with wings. Good a coaching point guards, but awful at recruiting/evaluating. General mess with Bigs. :dunno:
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He is aware of his bigs recruiting/developing problem. It's why Korn Dawg is on staff now.
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He is aware of his bigs recruiting/developing problem. It's why Korn Dawg is on staff now.
I think his big philosophy has been different at K-State than Illinois. His choices of big this year seem better. But I think the overall execution has been pretty poor. Not having Malek Harris hurts because he had a good motor and better Athleticism than the rest of our roster returning. I know he is at the D-II level right now but he was in car accident that really set his career back.
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DJamer has been as good as any post at KSU since Jeremiah Massey.
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DJamer has been as good as any post at KSU since Jeremiah Massey.
Although JHR may have been more valuable because of his rim protection. But DJamer was pretty good at that, too. I just don't think production from the 4/5 is THAT big of a deal. oscar's PG's are OK, his bigs are OK, his wings are OK. He just recruits OK. He certainly hasn't had a Frank 2008 dogshit class since he's been here.
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DJamer has been as good as any post at KSU since Jeremiah Massey.
I'm researched out for the week but I hope this isn't true.
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DJamer has been as good as any post at KSU since Jeremiah Massey.
Assuming you don't consider Mike a post I still put CK ahead of DJamer.
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DJamer has been as good as any post at KSU since Jeremiah Massey.
Assuming you don't consider Mike a post I still put CK ahead of DJamer.
Neck and Neck in my book. DJamer edges CK by a slim margin.
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DJamer has been as good as any post at KSU since Jeremiah Massey.
Assuming you don't consider Mike a post I still put CK ahead of DJamer.
oh yeah beasley :peek:
But yeah, look up the stats b/w DJamer and CK. Very comparable jr/sr seasons but DJamer was a much more efficent scorer and a slightly better rebounder.
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you could make an argument for JHR because of defense and rebounding though. DJamer is clearly the best scorer of the 3.
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DJamer defense was hit and miss the rest of oscar's bigs poor. Half of Franks big seemed to Better defensively.
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oscar is pretty good at developing players, don't you guys agree?
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I've been the driver of the DJamer bus since day one but I don't think it's fair to say he's the best scorer of the three because he scored more points. DJamer was the second scoring option on this team, Curt and JO were never asked to carry the load DJamer had to. I think Curt, actually I know, had the proper skill set to score a lot of points for this team. JO was more of a JYC and I'm not sure he could be trusted to score with his back to the basket 5 times a game. But yeah JO was far and away the best defender of the three although DJamer was a very good shot blocker.
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I give the edge to CK on durability, consistent rim protection and the ability to actually shoot
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CK also d flopped which gives him the tiebreaker imo
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I've been the driver of the DJamer bus since day one but I don't think it's fair to say he's the best scorer of the three because he scored more points. DJamer was the second scoring option on this team, Curt and JO were never asked to carry the load DJamer had to. I think Curt, actually I know, had the proper skill set to score a lot of points for this team. JO was more of a JYC and I'm not sure he could be trusted to score with his back to the basket 5 times a game. But yeah JO was far and away the best defender of the three although DJamer was a very good shot blocker.
CK used slightly more possessions and shot slightly more frequently than DJamer. DJamer was just much more efficient.
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I've been the driver of the DJamer bus since day one but I don't think it's fair to say he's the best scorer of the three because he scored more points. DJamer was the second scoring option on this team, Curt and JO were never asked to carry the load DJamer had to. I think Curt, actually I know, had the proper skill set to score a lot of points for this team. JO was more of a JYC and I'm not sure he could be trusted to score with his back to the basket 5 times a game. But yeah JO was far and away the best defender of the three although DJamer was a very good shot blocker.
Jamar is under appreciated, imo. Nice to have a 4 that can shoot the 3 but as beast on the board and draws fouls. That is a hell of a third option.
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So I guess Oscar isn't fired, then?
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oscar is pretty good at developing players, don't you guys agree?
He's OK at it!
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He's OK at it!
A major part of developing players is recruiting players that have a skill set they can grow. He has been pretty hit and miss in this part and it is discounted by player attrition but most coaches has turnover. The players that have stayed seem to always make more than incremental steps.
Another draw back is I don't think be does a good job of making great college players and or utilize their skill set. I think Rodney became a more rounded offensive player under Weber, but oscar didn't utilize him as well as Frank. The weird kicker is that was our best in conference offense since Lon.
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I've been the driver of the DJamer bus since day one but I don't think it's fair to say he's the best scorer of the three because he scored more points. DJamer was the second scoring option on this team, Curt and JO were never asked to carry the load DJamer had to. I think Curt, actually I know, had the proper skill set to score a lot of points for this team. JO was more of a JYC and I'm not sure he could be trusted to score with his back to the basket 5 times a game. But yeah JO was far and away the best defender of the three although DJamer was a very good shot blocker.
Jamar is under appreciated, imo. Nice to have a 4 that can shoot the 3 but as beast on the board and draws fouls. That is a hell of a third option.
He definitely is underappreciated but I think we're talking about centers, if we're just talking "forwards" the answer clearly starts and stops with Michael Beasley.
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Oscars best seasons came when he inherited someone else's players. So if you're going to argue he is decent at anything it should be coaching.
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Still here???
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Update: oscar is still here.
Reason: Veatch feels sorry for him.
Weber knew it was coming, too, but shortly after the story appeared in the Manhattan Mercury he said he got something else from interim athletic director Laird Veatch:
An apology.
“He didn’t really want it to be a vote of confidence,” Weber said. “It was just supposed to come out that I’m the coach and all that stuff. He called me right after, and said, ‘I’m sorry that’s the wording.’ ”
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article143086604.html (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article143086604.html)
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:jerk:
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hate the feel sorry stuff.
Bottom line, the fanbase is disconnected because of frank running off and then the foster stuff and then losing.
If he was winning the fOOD would be the OOD
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#apologyU
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hate the feel sorry stuff.
Bottom line, the fanbase is disconnected because of frank running off and then the foster stuff and then losing.
If he was winning the fOOD would be the OOD
Yep.
And oscar feeling the need to say Veatch apologized to him sums up the article perfectly. oscar gonna oscar. Always.
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oscar gonna oscar. Always.
But there is a strong distaste for Weber within the fan base. It’s possible that social media distorts his approval rating, but the situation is precarious enough that people close to Weber — people who want him to succeed — have urged him to present himself better publicly. At least one said recently he was worried that the relationship between oscar and the fans was broken, “and I don’t know how you fix it.”
Well, there is one obvious way to fix it.
“You gotta win, that’s what it comes down to,” Weber said. “We won 21. To some people, that was a good year, you made the tournament. Other people, that’s not as good. So it’s just the perspective you look at it.”
:lol:
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:blindfold:
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I mean, a normal person probably just says "I get along well with Laird. We've already worked together for several years and in his short time as interim AD he's been very supportive of me and the program. I look forward to working with him until a new AD is hired." This doesn't seem hard.
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oscar: Hey if your standards are low, 21 wins and a First Four game are pretty good. It's all about perspective!
:flush:
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Maybe he will actually take his friends advice and stop making Brucescuses? :dunno:
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or close his mouth
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oscar gonna oscar. Always.
But there is a strong distaste for Weber within the fan base. It’s possible that social media distorts his approval rating, but the situation is precarious enough that people close to Weber — people who want him to succeed — have urged him to present himself better publicly. At least one said recently he was worried that the relationship between oscar and the fans was broken, “and I don’t know how you fix it.”
Well, there is one obvious way to fix it.
“You gotta win, that’s what it comes down to,” Weber said. “We won 21. To some people, that was a good year, you made the tournament. Other people, that’s not as good. So it’s just the perspective you look at it.”
:lol:
That schedule was created with the sole purpose of touting the 21 wins.
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I may be crazy, but I actually think oscar is a good coach who is just lazy. He likes playing easy games when he can and he has a knack for winning just enough to avoid getting canned. I just think he prefers to coast in mediocrity and collect a paycheck rather than try to seriously compete for anything important, which I can kind of relate to.
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I don't think he's lazy, I just think he's a very quirky guy. Some here have mentioned that he may be "on the spectrum" and I can completely see that being reality. I do think he knows the game well enough and many aspects he teaches well, but at the end of the day he's just okay at recruiting and overall program management, at least at the P5 level. The leads to just being just an okay coach, which is probably fine, but the personality and comments doesn't lend itself to him being as "likable" as a coach. If you are going to live in the average range as a P5 coach, you better have a likable personality and oscar just doesn't.
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oscar just isn't Wooly enough.
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oscar just isn't Wooly enough.
Yeah. oscar is way better as a coach, but about 100% less likable.
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oscar is likable enough that if he were to win the Big 12 next year, I wouldn't want him fired anymore. I'm not sure if anything less would change my mind, though.
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Update: oscar is still here.
Reason: Veatch feels sorry for him.
Weber knew it was coming, too, but shortly after the story appeared in the Manhattan Mercury he said he got something else from interim athletic director Laird Veatch:
An apology.
“He didn’t really want it to be a vote of confidence,” Weber said. “It was just supposed to come out that I’m the coach and all that stuff. He called me right after, and said, ‘I’m sorry that’s the wording.’ ”
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article143086604.html (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article143086604.html)
Vote of confidences are stupid, they always end in a firing a year later. I think it is smart on Veatch's part to try and not give one. Just awful execution.
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I don't think he's lazy, I just think he's a very quirky guy...
he doesn't seem to like point guards. he never has a good one except when he takes over a team where someone else recruited one that he can use.
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I don't think he's lazy, I just think he's a very quirky guy...
he doesn't seem to like point guards. he never has a good one except when he takes over a team where someone else recruited one that he can use.
Very true. Also very strange since on the of the offensive stats he seems to value the most are assists per made made FGs.
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i think he has a platonic ideal of a bball team in his head of 5 interchangeable 6'7" guys with combo skills.
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oscar gonna oscar. Always.
But there is a strong distaste for Weber within the fan base. It’s possible that social media distorts his approval rating, but the situation is precarious enough that people close to Weber — people who want him to succeed — have urged him to present himself better publicly. At least one said recently he was worried that the relationship between oscar and the fans was broken, “and I don’t know how you fix it.”
Well, there is one obvious way to fix it.
“You gotta win, that’s what it comes down to,” Weber said. “We won 21. To some people, that was a good year, you made the tournament. Other people, that’s not as good. So it’s just the perspective you look at it.”
:lol:
That schedule was created with the sole purpose of touting the 21 wins.
I think this is just poor logic. One it is better to have a harder schedule, a better SOS makes it easier to make the NCAAs. Two the staff tried to beef up schedule but no one would schedule them, that is more of a reflection of what other programs thought of K-State. Three teams was totally capable of beating good teams there is a reason they finished 30th in kenpom.
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None of that matters. The funny part is that in addressing how to fix the problem of people hating him b/c of how he presents himself publicly, he said something absurdly dumb and condescending.
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I don't think he's lazy, I just think he's a very quirky guy...
he doesn't seem to like point guards. he never has a good one except when he takes over a team where someone else recruited one that he can use.
he is too much of a control freak - good pgs see his nonstop sideline act and go elsewhere and that same act also keeps him from developing the combos he does sign
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oscar is likable enough that if he were to win the Big 12 next year, I wouldn't want him fired anymore. I'm not sure if anything less would change my mind, though.
I'd still want him fired and I suspect most would. The issues I think he has don't go away with the deodorant of winning a Big 12 title. Did he win anyone over with the last conference championship he won?
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oscar is likable enough that if he were to win the Big 12 next year, I wouldn't want him fired anymore. I'm not sure if anything less would change my mind, though.
I'd still want him fired and I suspect most would. The issues I think he has don't go away with the deodorant of winning a Big 12 title. Did he win anyone over with the last conference championship he won?
An Elite 8 might warm some people to oscar. Maybe.
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oscar is likable enough that if he were to win the Big 12 next year, I wouldn't want him fired anymore. I'm not sure if anything less would change my mind, though.
I'd still want him fired and I suspect most would. The issues I think he has don't go away with the deodorant of winning a Big 12 title. Did he win anyone over with the last conference championship he won?
I thought I was probably wrong about him after his second year. I think if you go back and read the board from that time, it was mostly positive toward oscar. It's amazing how fast the optimism of having 3 more years of Marcus Foster to build around can vanish.
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i think he has a platonic ideal of a bball team in his head of 5 interchangeable 6'7" guys with combo skills.
not the worst way to coach
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I don't think he's lazy, I just think he's a very quirky guy...
he doesn't seem to like point guards. he never has a good one except when he takes over a team where someone else recruited one that he can use.
he is too much of a control freak - good pgs see his nonstop sideline act and go elsewhere and that same act also keeps him from developing the combos he does sign
i honestly don't know how the players deal with that aspect. it would just be so confusing/distracting/annoying and lead to me tuning him out (which i'm sure happens).
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1. The first thing we have to keep in mind is that the conference is a true round robin. This means you have to play every team at their place. Secondly, I believe our conference has been tougher top to bottom than it was during the Frank years. The coaches, from top to bottom, are better. There wasn't one easy gimme, this year, in conference. TCU beat KU, for instance, in the Big XII tournament. One can disagree with me and that's fine. Everyone has to admit, however, that the conference dynamic is much different than when Frank was coaching here. Therefore, Weber should not be hated for conference records, IMHO, especially when one considers that the Foster fiasco led to Weber completely having to rebuild.
2. The Weber conundrum, IMHO, arises from one thing. He followed a popular coach who left before there were down years. Let's call it the Frank factor. Let's make no mistake about this. There would have been some down years even if Frank had stayed. Heck, there was a down year when Frank was here and had Pullen, Clemente, Sutton, Brown and others. Mellinger writes much of Weber's poor media image and that Weber tends to say things, which upset fans. There's probably some truth in this, but I believe the Frank factor is to blame for much of this phenomenon. After all, the only thing Weber can say that many fans will accept is: "I suck." With every loss, the only thing fans (the ones who dislike Weber) will accept is for Weber to take full blame. They didn't like Weber from the minute he was hired because of the Frank factor. I'll never forget some of them criticizing Weber for the first words he spoke when he stepped up to the mic after being hired: "Why K-State?" They said it was like him saying, "Why would a coach, as great as me, take this lowly K-State job?" I never saw it that way. I saw it as Weber's way of showing all the things, which made him excited about being in Manhattan. After the KU home loss this year, Weber said our guys kicked KU's butt on the play hard chart, but KU made more plays at the end. Media, and fans, crucified him for this, but Weber was absolutely right. Sitting court side, I had the exact same sentiment. I was thinking, throughout the whole game, how our guys wanted this so badly; how they were diving for balls and being more aggressive in many ways. I was sickened because some of our shots just wouldn't go down in crunch time and I wanted our guys effort to be rewarded. When I heard Weber speak these words on the post game radio show, I was glad he did so. He was supporting the hard effort of his players. That's not what the media, or Frank's fans, wanted to hear. The only thing they wanted to hear was that Weber was outcoached.
This is not to say Weber is a media savant. Frank is surely better in front of the mic than Coach Weber. This is simply to say that the Weber conundrum has more to do with the Frank factor than it does Weber.
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you make good points, #life. i will study this bad deal.
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1. The first thing we have to keep in mind is that the conference is a true round robin. This means you have to play every team at their place. Secondly, I believe our conference has been tougher top to bottom than it was during the Frank years. The coaches, from top to bottom, are better. There wasn't one easy gimme, this year, in conference. TCU beat KU, for instance, in the Big XII tournament. One can disagree with me and that's fine. Everyone has to admit, however, that the conference dynamic is much different than when Frank was coaching here. Therefore, Weber should not be hated for conference records, IMHO, especially when one considers that the Foster fiasco led to Weber completely having to rebuild.
2. The Weber conundrum, IMHO, arises from one thing. He followed a popular coach who left before there were down years. Let's call it the Frank factor. Let's make no mistake about this. There would have been some down years even if Frank had stayed. Heck, there was a down year when Frank was here and had Pullen, Clemente, Sutton, Brown and others. Mellinger writes much of Weber's poor media image and that Weber tends to say things, which upset fans. There's probably some truth in this, but I believe the Frank factor is to blame for much of this phenomenon. After all, the only thing Weber can say that many fans will accept is: "I suck." With every loss, the only thing fans (the ones who dislike Weber) will accept is for Weber to take full blame. They didn't like Weber from the minute he was hired because of the Frank factor. I'll never forget some of them criticizing Weber for the first words he spoke when he stepped up to the mic after being hired: "Why K-State?" They said it was like him saying, "Why would a coach, as great as me, take this lowly K-State job?" I never saw it that way. I saw it as Weber's way of showing all the things, which made him excited about being in Manhattan. After the KU home loss this year, Weber said our guys kicked KU's butt on the play hard chart, but KU made more plays at the end. Media, and fans, crucified him for this, but Weber was absolutely right. Sitting court side, I had the exact same sentiment. I was thinking, throughout the whole game, how our guys wanted this so badly; how they were diving for balls and being more aggressive in many ways. I was sickened because some of our shots just wouldn't go down in crunch time and I wanted our guys effort to be rewarded. When I heard Weber speak these words on the post game radio show, I was glad he did so. He was supporting the hard effort of his players. That's not what the media, or Frank's fans, wanted to hear. The only thing they wanted to hear was that Weber was outcoached.
This is not to say Weber is a media savant. Frank is surely better in front of the mic than Coach Weber. This is simply to say that the Weber conundrum has more to do with the Frank factor than it does Weber.
i will give the gpc crowd some credit in that the majority seem to have finally revolted against posts like this
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1. The first thing we have to keep in mind is that the conference is a true round robin. This means you have to play every team at their place. Secondly, I believe our conference has been tougher top to bottom than it was during the Frank years. The coaches, from top to bottom, are better. There wasn't one easy gimme, this year, in conference. TCU beat KU, for instance, in the Big XII tournament. One can disagree with me and that's fine. Everyone has to admit, however, that the conference dynamic is much different than when Frank was coaching here. Therefore, Weber should not be hated for conference records, IMHO, especially when one considers that the Foster fiasco led to Weber completely having to rebuild.
2. The Weber conundrum, IMHO, arises from one thing. He followed a popular coach who left before there were down years. Let's call it the Frank factor. Let's make no mistake about this. There would have been some down years even if Frank had stayed. Heck, there was a down year when Frank was here and had Pullen, Clemente, Sutton, Brown and others. Mellinger writes much of Weber's poor media image and that Weber tends to say things, which upset fans. There's probably some truth in this, but I believe the Frank factor is to blame for much of this phenomenon. After all, the only thing Weber can say that many fans will accept is: "I suck." With every loss, the only thing fans (the ones who dislike Weber) will accept is for Weber to take full blame. They didn't like Weber from the minute he was hired because of the Frank factor. I'll never forget some of them criticizing Weber for the first words he spoke when he stepped up to the mic after being hired: "Why K-State?" They said it was like him saying, "Why would a coach, as great as me, take this lowly K-State job?" I never saw it that way. I saw it as Weber's way of showing all the things, which made him excited about being in Manhattan. After the KU home loss this year, Weber said our guys kicked KU's butt on the play hard chart, but KU made more plays at the end. Media, and fans, crucified him for this, but Weber was absolutely right. Sitting court side, I had the exact same sentiment. I was thinking, throughout the whole game, how our guys wanted this so badly; how they were diving for balls and being more aggressive in many ways. I was sickened because some of our shots just wouldn't go down in crunch time and I wanted our guys effort to be rewarded. When I heard Weber speak these words on the post game radio show, I was glad he did so. He was supporting the hard effort of his players. That's not what the media, or Frank's fans, wanted to hear. The only thing they wanted to hear was that Weber was outcoached.
This is not to say Weber is a media savant. Frank is surely better in front of the mic than Coach Weber. This is simply to say that the Weber conundrum has more to do with the Frank factor than it does Weber.
Please seek psychological therapy.
This is not that complicated.
Oscar has shown himself via his record of accomplishment to be a good mid-major level coach. He is in over his head - in recruiting, game day coaching, player development, and public relations - at the Power 5 level.
That's it.
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Solid rebuttal 'lemy
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I'm just happy Freddy Brown got some love in that post.
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I don't think he's lazy, I just think he's a very quirky guy...
he doesn't seem to like point guards. he never has a good one except when he takes over a team where someone else recruited one that he can use.
he is too much of a control freak - good pgs see his nonstop sideline act and go elsewhere and that same act also keeps him from developing the combos he does sign
He hasn't signed one in the fall yet at K-State. It is rough ridin' insane.
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1. The first thing we have to keep in mind is that the conference is a true round robin. This means you have to play every team at their place. Secondly, I believe our conference has been tougher top to bottom than it was during the Frank years. The coaches, from top to bottom, are better. There wasn't one easy gimme, this year, in conference. TCU beat KU, for instance, in the Big XII tournament. One can disagree with me and that's fine. Everyone has to admit, however, that the conference dynamic is much different than when Frank was coaching here. Therefore, Weber should not be hated for conference records, IMHO, especially when one considers that the Foster fiasco led to Weber completely having to rebuild.
2. The Weber conundrum, IMHO, arises from one thing. He followed a popular coach who left before there were down years. Let's call it the Frank factor. Let's make no mistake about this. There would have been some down years even if Frank had stayed. Heck, there was a down year when Frank was here and had Pullen, Clemente, Sutton, Brown and others. Mellinger writes much of Weber's poor media image and that Weber tends to say things, which upset fans. There's probably some truth in this, but I believe the Frank factor is to blame for much of this phenomenon. After all, the only thing Weber can say that many fans will accept is: "I suck." With every loss, the only thing fans (the ones who dislike Weber) will accept is for Weber to take full blame. They didn't like Weber from the minute he was hired because of the Frank factor. I'll never forget some of them criticizing Weber for the first words he spoke when he stepped up to the mic after being hired: "Why K-State?" They said it was like him saying, "Why would a coach, as great as me, take this lowly K-State job?" I never saw it that way. I saw it as Weber's way of showing all the things, which made him excited about being in Manhattan. After the KU home loss this year, Weber said our guys kicked KU's butt on the play hard chart, but KU made more plays at the end. Media, and fans, crucified him for this, but Weber was absolutely right. Sitting court side, I had the exact same sentiment. I was thinking, throughout the whole game, how our guys wanted this so badly; how they were diving for balls and being more aggressive in many ways. I was sickened because some of our shots just wouldn't go down in crunch time and I wanted our guys effort to be rewarded. When I heard Weber speak these words on the post game radio show, I was glad he did so. He was supporting the hard effort of his players. That's not what the media, or Frank's fans, wanted to hear. The only thing they wanted to hear was that Weber was outcoached.
This is not to say Weber is a media savant. Frank is surely better in front of the mic than Coach Weber. This is simply to say that the Weber conundrum has more to do with the Frank factor than it does Weber.
Great point, the record in conference is not important. That try really hard chart needs to be how we evaluate coaches, poor Oscar just has the deck stacked against him.
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oscar can't fix Currie's problem.
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I betcha Oscar goes transCoach on us. Yeow, transRoy, transBill, transBrad. You scoff! If white guy can be black because he thinks he is, if boys can be girls and girls boys by just thinking so, then Oscar can do the same. We could be witnessing the transformation to OscarMan. Mild mannered goofer away from basketball, but a hellion of intense fervent coaching when in Bb mode.
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Heard from a fairly ITK source this weekend that Mr. Ice and others are very good friends with oscar and are 100% behind him still being here. Also, if he continues to fart out anything remotely close to the NCAA bubble, basically anything around .500 overall, his job is completely safe as long as he wants to coach here.
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Punch these people in the face #life
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Punch these people in the face #life
This person did not share the same thoughts as the few "big fish" but he says that's how they feel so nothing will probably change barring some 1 or 2 win conference season or something. Even then he would probably be given a chance for a bounceback year. Made me very sad, but also didn't surprise me.
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Punch these people in the face #life
This person did not share the same thoughts as the few "big fish" but he says that's how they feel so nothing will probably change barring some 1 or 2 win conference season or something. Even then he would probably be given a chance for a bounceback year. Made me very sad, but also didn't surprise me.
Punch these people in the face #life
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This is like the least shocking news ever
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why do our biggest donors have to be seemingly giant dumbasses
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i'd guess that most of our donors are giant dumbasses
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but why?
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a lot of it probably begins with our open admissions policy :dunno:
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Heard from a fairly ITK source this weekend that Mr. Ice and others are very good friends with oscar and are 100% behind him still being here. Also, if he continues to fart out anything remotely close to the NCAA bubble, basically anything around .500 overall, his job is completely safe as long as he wants to coach here.
yeah major studs Karl and Mary like being associated with huge losers like oscar. Your ITK doesn't K crap
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Heard from a fairly ITK source this weekend that Mr. Ice and others are very good friends with oscar and are 100% behind him still being here. Also, if he continues to fart out anything remotely close to the NCAA bubble, basically anything around .500 overall, his job is completely safe as long as he wants to coach here.
That kind of nonsense motivates me to make my business interests SO profitable that I can wave more dollars in the face of Gen. Meyers than the Ice family so he will act in my best interests rather than theirs.
America!
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today? why not? maybe The Mustang is at the UC pool
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Rumblings the loser ran another player off
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Rumblings the loser ran another player off
Like, our only big man too.
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You can't brag about your players doing well at other schools if you don't run them off first.
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Maurice?
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Maurice?
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:emawkid:
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Adversity!
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eff me
Hasn't K-State bball been bragging about him working out overseas through twitter?
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Could he be a more huge loser?
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GPC post of the day:
I agree that Maurice had the potential to be a solid player for us but I also don't know what the situation in the locker room was because I am not in there. Maybe he was creating a toxic atmosphere a la Marcus Foster, Malek Harris, Tre Harris etc. I'd rather cut ties with a problem than have it become a bigger problem.
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GPC post of the day:
I agree that Maurice had the potential to be a solid player for us but I also don't know what the situation in the locker room was because I am not in there. Maybe he was creating a toxic atmosphere a la Marcus Foster, Malek Harris, Tre Harris etc. I'd rather cut ties with a problem than have it become a bigger problem.
Holy eff
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he would have gotten like 95% of the available minutes this year right? i mean iirc this is a list of our bigs:
1. maurice
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I think it's pretty obvious who the toxic loser is
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1) I don't know if he was creating a problem
2) Problems are trouble
3) That troublesome problem can eff right off
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^ just like voter fraud
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It's a new AD that probably hasn't heard too many brucuses yet, so maybe oscar is gonna blow this thing up and preach rebuild/contract extension to him to cash a few more years worth of checks.
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Considering our new AD is a small timey loser who took this job as his last job ever and intends to milk it for every penny he can get while doing the bare minimum to improve us, I am pretty sure oscar is safe.
We need to change the name of this board to "we deserve this F'ing S"
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Mamawhite?
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i'm sure our dumbass fans will still show up to the games though
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GPC post of the day:
I agree that Maurice had the potential to be a solid player for us but I also don't know what the situation in the locker room was because I am not in there. Maybe he was creating a toxic atmosphere a la Marcus Foster, Malek Harris, Tre Harris etc. I'd rather cut ties with a problem than have it become a bigger problem.
increds :love:
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Good God. eff oscar.
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It is compliance, has nothing to do with Weber.
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It is compliance, has nothing to do with Weber.
Yeah, the guy in charge of managing his own rough ridin' program has no blame.
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Skinny Benny needs to do remix of Garth Brooks "Shameless." But instead blameless.
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It is compliance, has nothing to do with Weber.
Yeah, the guy in charge of managing his own rough ridin' program has no blame.
It's not his fault!
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Compliance should stop recruiting all these shitheads that oscar can't even play because they keep getting kicked off the team. You all want oscar fired like a bunch of dorks. Compliance is who really needs to be fired (non-sarcastic portion of this post, compliance may need to have their house cleaned, it's possible that they may actually be a bunch of eff-faces, still doesn't absolve oscar of the 100% of the blame he deserves for this shitshow.)
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No. 100% on oscar.
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No. 100% on oscar.
:lol:
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No. 100% on oscar.
:lol:
I want Weber gone so I will believe this. :shakesfist:
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The McAtee kid is going to get the open scholarship, isn't he.
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The McAtee kid is going to get the open scholarship, isn't he.
Comes from a poor family. Deserves it.
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I find it pathetically ironic that big donors who are successful enough business folk to have million(s) available to donate to KSU and thus one would assume they have some significant business know-how, are stupid enough to find the current state of KSU MBB acceptable.
I am not spending another dime on KSU MBB until this coach is gone. I'm done. More people should do the same. Drop the ticket sales - that should send a message.
If people won't vote with their pocketbooks, then we all share culpability for this bullsh8t continuing.
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Did KSU have him piss as soon as he came back from Europe?
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It is pretty interesting that no one really GAF about this news at this point. oscar and The Mustang have killed it.
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It is pretty interesting that no one really GAF about this news at this point. oscar and The Mustang have killed it.
Yeah, I was just thinking about this yesterday. We're all pretty numb to it these days.
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we literally lose 1-2 contributing players a year. Some years they are our best player yet the fans sit around and think of ways it's not the coaches fault.
something that was legitimately bizarre when it first started happening is now totally normal.
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No. 100% on oscar.
:lol:
I want Weber gone so I will believe this. :shakesfist:
Its all on Currie and his compliance office he molded.
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:dubious:
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Weber has learned from the Marcus Foster fiasco. I applaud the move. This is what separates Weber and us from the Bill Self/ KU's of the world. I don't care to place my allegiance in any KSU athlete who is not disciplined enough to follow team rules. There is no worse cancer for a team than allowing an athlete to compete under a double standard.
As Dave said, Weber has learned from the Foster fiasco. I, too, respect Weber for sticking with the rules. We're getting close to the point where the whole system snubs the rules in order to win. For this poster, it's a breath of fresh air to be able to support a program which tries to do it right. It's a shame for Maurice. I bet his dad is disappointed to say the least. Marijuana is addictive to those who have addictive personalities.
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This is what separates Weber and us from the Bill Self/ KU's of the world
holy crap. imagine if a KU message boarder said "This is what separates (whoever their coach is) and us from the LHC Bill Snyder's/K-State's of the world
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Point Plank'n ????
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I don't think we will beat KU this year now
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I don't think we will beat KU this year now
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Meh, even in his down years oscar beats ku
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Weber has learned from the Marcus Foster fiasco. I applaud the move. This is what separates Weber and us from the Bill Self/ KU's of the world. I don't care to place my allegiance in any KSU athlete who is not disciplined enough to follow team rules. There is no worse cancer for a team than allowing an athlete to compete under a double standard.
As Dave said, Weber has learned from the Foster fiasco. I, too, respect Weber for sticking with the rules. We're getting close to the point where the whole system snubs the rules in order to win. For this poster, it's a breath of fresh air to be able to support a program which tries to do it right. It's a shame for Maurice. I bet his dad is disappointed to say the least. Marijuana is addictive to those who have addictive personalities.
If this a legit post, it makes me sad we have people like this in our fanbase
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Every fanbase has these dumbasses
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Every fanbase has these dumbasses
Wack, this is totally unlike you. Aren't you the guy who admires those that stand on their own two feet and want to do the right thing; as in "not Bill Self".
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Every fanbase has these dumbasses
Agreed, but it seems like compared to most P5 schools they constitute an extremely high percentage of the overall support base. I can only think of a handful of schools where such open self sabotage in the name of hypercompliance and busting players for weed would be tolerated by an open majority of their fanbase, and none of them are particularly good at anything aside from the occasional hobby support. Think Iowa State, Purdue, Oregon State, maybe Wazzu once the Animal runs off Leach.
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Still holding out hope he gets Kurt Budke'd or something. At this point it doesn't even matter anymore though, the damage has been done.
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Thank god #life is updating us on this program. Could you imagine a world without him/her? Great scooping from the fan board, friend. Nothing says "IDGAF" other than copying and pasting crap after a tourney run. :cheers:
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Why blow a hemroid? Either enjoy or wash your hands of the whole deal like life. There is therapeutic mental relief cussing Oscar. Instead of taking your pent up devils on your dog, cat, kids or wife, hold up a picture of Oscar. After a 5 minute fit cussing spit in stomping spaz tirade, you will feel calm.
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Still holding out hope he gets Kurt Budke'd or something. At this point it doesn't even matter anymore though, the damage has been done.
#LIFE - precedent has been set and maybe we can get Wooly to file the FOIA. We just need you to steal Weber's uni provided phone and a few backpage numbers
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/7/20/15971800/hugh-freeze-ole-miss-houston-nutt-lawsuit (https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/7/20/15971800/hugh-freeze-ole-miss-houston-nutt-lawsuit)
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Still holding out hope he gets Kurt Budke'd or something.
fuk'd up.
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FIRE DAT MUTHAFUCKA NOW!
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Why did WHB 810 drop Cats for KU? Duur. Ring Oscar's doorbell. During football season the station gets itz football revenue from the Chiefs. Who in KC listens to AverageJoe osccarball in KC? WHB likely figures this is Snyder's last year and our Whizbanger Sport Dudes will hire an average is good coach. So thanks Weber for us being put on some knothead station out of Bucyrus or Beagle. Losing broadcast money should get big loot boosters something to think about. We will be next to poorest media money making team in the area. Nehuskers are last.
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I know it's not an either/or situation, but K-State being on 580 is way better for the majority of fans than being on 810. In the scheme of things, this is pretty insignificant.
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I was holding out hope for a Thad Matta type scenario. It's looking like Oscar will our head coach once again you guys :frown:
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i think i'd go for the LHC Bill Snyder scenario, where oscar steps down before the season and his son/daughter runs the team this year.
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i think i'd go for the LHC Bill Snyder scenario, where oscar steps down before the season and his son/daughter runs the team this year.
This could actually be super fun maybe? :sdeek:
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I was holding out hope for a Thad Matta type scenario. It's looking like Oscar will our head coach once again you guys :frown:
hell, i'd even take a skip prosser scenerio
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I was holding out hope for a Thad Matta type scenario. It's looking like Oscar will our head coach once again you guys :frown:
hell, i'd even take a skip prosser scenerio
Bruh
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:cactus:
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No, he is winning....
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This thread probably could've had a little heat to it with about 18 minutes left in the game 5 days ago.. now? not so much..
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oscar will be here forever. Now that his seat is comfortable again, he will go between 1-2 and 0-3 over the next stretch. Then we beat A&M and OSU to build excitement before losing to KU.
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2-2 puts us right on track to finish 9-9 and hit that sweet sweet zone of mediocrity.
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Lighten up, Brock. Yeesh.
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2-2 puts us right on track to finish 9-9 and hit that sweet sweet zone of mediocrity.
That’s basically every school in the league outside of KU since oscar arrived.
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It'd be much more entertaining if we fired a shitty coach every 3 years until we finally found a decent one. Mediocre sucks especially in a mediocre sport like basketball.
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Give him a god damn lifetime extension.
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I shouldn't have doubted Big Game oscar
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Hey tonight was a damn fine win, but, well you know the rest.......
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:confused:
He has a dead body in the back seat?
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The Wolf? :confused:
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:confused:
He has a dead body in the back seat?
Let's not all start S'ing each other's D's quite yet
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Aaaaahhhh, thanks
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Heh. Thanks mocat
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just checked kenpom and it looks like oscar has taken us from #15 all the way up to #41
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He owes me a lot of money for losing that game.
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imagine betting money on the brucecats :lol:
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:curse:
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i'm sorry, we're all rolling here at the office
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oscar is fine. More fine than I thought he would be. Watching Undy's team rack up 237 points in the last two games has me feeling sad though.
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:peek: :bs:
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What is he doing? Like he’s a weirdo and crap and does lots of crap I don’t like but he’s better than this.
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What is he doing? Like he’s a weirdo and crap and does lots of crap I don’t like but he’s better than this.
No he isn't. He has always had years in which he totally lost teams. He's always been a crappy offensive coach but I think he's getting worse at it. It's compounded when he is fielding a young team who can't play the defense he hangs his hat on.
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I’m not buying it, I think he has an illness or something he is hiding.
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I don't know about you guys, but I'm going to very sad when oscar is on the sideline next year. And probably the next few years after that too.
That's no way he's getting fired, and I know it.
It depressing.
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Nah he forced Gene’s hand tonight, he is a dead man walking.
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Nah he forced Gene’s hand tonight, he is a dead man walking.
You bet Gene and Oscar have a long chat either tonight or in the morning.
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Yeah I know this season doesn’t count, but like I don’t see how any of this is forgivable. Will be a pretty tough coaching search with hardly any other coaches getting fired and an incomplete season to judge resumes on.
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Should we fire up a website....?
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No need, Gene is going to do it.
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I’m not buying it, I think he has an illness or something he is hiding.
Taking an immediate medical leave of absence is probably the best way to go out.
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Who cares
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:ksu:
Yeah I know this season doesn’t count, but like I don’t see how any of this is forgivable. Will be a pretty tough coaching search with hardly any other coaches getting fired and an incomplete season to judge resumes on.
All the more reason to can him. Less schools to compete with for the guy you want.
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:ksu:Yeah I know this season doesn’t count, but like I don’t see how any of this is forgivable. Will be a pretty tough coaching search with hardly any other coaches getting fired and an incomplete season to judge resumes on.
All the more reason to can him. Less schools to compete with for the guy you want.
Yeah, but Brad Underwood isn't leaving Illinois.
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We can't afford Brad
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firebruceweber.com used to be a thing, right?
:ROFL:
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John Beilein is tan, rested and ready.
#Beilein4KSU
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Not having Brad still pisses me off. :angry:
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Amazing :love:
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Is that from tmz?
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exactly how you'd think
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Honestly impressed that he didn't pinch his nose closed before he jumped.
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Is this the first time you guys have seen that? It's as old as The Hill.
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Is this the first time you guys have seen that? It's as old as The Hill.
And just as majestic. Tho, Pearl Jam never played on oscar. Tie breaker goes to The Hill...this time.
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Honestly impressed that he didn't pinch his nose closed before he jumped.
:ROFL:
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Better Fire this thing up again
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Yea I don’t see this team getting a tourney bid and I think that’s what he needs to keep his job
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that’s what he needs to keep his job
Nope.
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that’s what he needs to keep his job
Nope.
They gonna extend him after failing to make the tournament 3 years in a row? I mean I guess they can just let him finish out his contract and not technically fire him in 2023. That would be really weird though.
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I think they look fine.
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I’m pleasantly surprised with Landers, he’s farther along than I thought he might be. Ish and Mark Smith appear to be upgrades over their predecessors and Nowell can at least play tough d and get transition buckets.
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these anti oscar people are so boring
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I’m pleasantly surprised with Landers
duhhhhhhhhhh rough ridin' called it
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I’m pleasantly surprised with Landers
duhhhhhhhhhh rough ridin' called it
His stroke from deep was niiiiiiice
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Hard to see depth being an issue.
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that’s what he needs to keep his job
Nope.
They gonna extend him after failing to make the tournament 3 years in a row? I mean I guess they can just let him finish out his contract and not technically fire him in 2023. That would be really weird though.
Yeah, they'll extend him or he'll retire. If he has another disastrous season he's gone, but there's a lot of improvement that can be made without making the tournament.
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if they show a lot of promise, can't risk blowing up the team. that might mean extra years of shitty rebuilding oscar after miguel/bradford/pack graduate, but he might be looking towards retirement anyways by then.
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Big 12 or bust at this point IMO
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these anti oscar people are so boring
I honestly feel bad for them. They have missed out on some of the all time best players and teams in their lifetimes because of some stupid crap that makes no sense. And this group of players looks like it could be another great one they'll miss out on.
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It is not anti oscar to discuss a coach who has put together two of the worst back to back seasons based on tenure length in Kstate history.
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if they show a lot of promise, can't risk blowing up the team. that might mean extra years of shitty rebuilding oscar after miguel/bradford/pack graduate, but he might be looking towards retirement anyways by then.
They are nice pieces but it’s not like some once in a lifetime group you need to stay together. Miguel is like 25 and may not even stick around anyway. They would have to bring in someone as good or better than Mark Smith in 2022 and McGuirl is leaving as well.
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was wade/brown/stokes once in a lifetime? i think this group is on that level with potential to be better.
I honestly feel bad for them. They have missed out on some of the all time best players and teams in their lifetimes because of some stupid crap that makes no sense. And this group of players looks like it could be another great one they'll miss out on.
elite 8 run without our best player was some of my most memorable as a cat fan. if they can't enjoy that, they don't deserve better.
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was wade/brown/stokes once in a lifetime? i think this group is on that level with potential to be better.
I honestly feel bad for them. They have missed out on some of the all time best players and teams in their lifetimes because of some stupid crap that makes no sense. And this group of players looks like it could be another great one they'll miss out on.
elite 8 run without our best player was some of my most memorable as a cat fan. if they can't enjoy that, they don't deserve better.
None of these three are close to as good as Claws, had he stayed healthy he would have been an AA. We wouldn’t be walking away from Beas Bill and Pullen here and who’s to say they wouldn’t stick around with a new coach anyway.
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if they show a lot of promise, can't risk blowing up the team. that might mean extra years of shitty rebuilding oscar after miguel/bradford/pack graduate, but he might be looking towards retirement anyways by then.
They are nice pieces but it’s not like some once in a lifetime group you need to stay together. Miguel is like 25 and may not even stick around anyway. They would have to bring in someone as good or better than Mark Smith in 2022 and McGuirl is leaving as well.
How many minutes did Mike get? Seems like his minutes were way down, even with Nijel coming back from an injury.
Ugh, 27 minutes, still too much.
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It is not anti oscar to discuss a coach who has put together two of the worst back to back seasons based on tenure length in Kstate history.
He’s had one P5 worthy recruiting class in the last 5 years and it’s about to be one out of six after the 2022 class. You can’t sustain any level of program success that way. Unfortunately objectively criticizing oscar’s shortcomings gets you labeled a oscar hater. He had some really nice years for us over the last decade and I think overall his tenure was as good as anyone else we could have hired in 2012 but he needs to go.
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pack could very well pass Claws. bradford also has a chance, he can really dominate games. and this is based on a freshman year without a proper offseason. but keep looking for negatives i guess :dunno:
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1 p5 class in the last 6 is the dumbest thing i've ever seen posted
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1 p5 class in the last 6 is the dumbest thing i've ever seen posted
I’ll wait for you to show me which class outside of 2020 qualifies. I get it most people on this board have completely checked out from KSU basketball and I don’t blame you but you are way out of your depth here.
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the other 2 classes we had a 4 star player in...
and i'll whoop anyone's butt that says logan landers isn't going to be the rough ridin' man.
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that dude looked good today, what’s his story?
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Missed Landers….
https://twitter.com/fanman_ksu/status/1456431158779068419?s=21
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Missed Landers….
https://twitter.com/fanman_ksu/status/1456431158779068419?s=21
Rivals? What kind of 3rd tier site is this?
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You're trying too hard.
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Welcome, “new” member SimoHaya
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Welcome, “new” member SimoHaya
I bet it's TBT
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Glad to be in this community. I have no idea who "TBT" is and the last time I had an account on here was 2012 when someone terrible was hired.
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:confused:
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:lol:
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Nice to see a free version of the emoji movie on a board.
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Welcome, “new” member SimoHaya
I bet it's TBT
eff you beat me by 3 hours
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Welcome, “new” member SimoHaya
I bet it's TBT
eff you beat me by 3 hours
Coincidentally enough, our new sharp shooter has the same IP address you had ten years ago.
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I am Willie, how did you figure it out Mr. Admin?
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Welcome, “new” member SimoHaya
I bet it's TBT
eff you beat me by 3 hours
Coincidentally enough, our new sharp shooter has the same IP address you had ten years ago.
The inertia involved is kinda sad.
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I am Willie, how did you figure it out Mr. Admin?
I don't think you are.
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I have no idea who TBT is, and I am a new user. I'm just trying to throw a little spice to the convo.
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I have no idea who TBT is, and I am a new user. I'm just trying to throw a little spice to the convo.
Ironically enough you're trying too hard, therefore you're boring as eff.
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Welcome, “new” member SimoHaya
I bet it's TBT
eff you beat me by 3 hours
Coincidentally enough, our new sharp shooter has the same IP address you had ten years ago.
Tobias that sneaky SOB
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I have no idea who TBT is, and I am a new user. I'm just trying to throw a little spice to the convo.
Ironically enough you're trying too hard, therefore you're boring as eff.
Yup
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I have no idea who TBT is, and I am a new user. I'm just trying to throw a little spice to the convo.
Ironically enough you're trying too hard, therefore you're boring as eff.
How many layers of irony is that in?
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During his post-game radio comments, Oscar said he didn't have the team run any set offensive plays. He put in a few set plays late last season and the team played better, he said, but we aren't running any now.
WTactualF?
This is straight-up coaching malpractice, but it certainly answers the question of why our offense flounders so often and devolves into throwing the ball around aimlessly until someone jacks up a bad three. It means no plays designed to get Pack an open loo, or to get Bradford the ball in the post or play off that asset.
Hearing that certainly tempered any optimism i have for the season or the program until that lump of coal is fired.
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Good, he has good offensive weapons, happy to see that he won't be joysticking them and they won't be playing like uncreative brainless drones.
Did you forget how robotic the offense looks under oscar and how they don't seem to know what to do when something gets taken away?
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Good, he has good offensive weapons, happy to see that he won't be joysticking them and they won't be playing like uncreative brainless drones.
Did you forget how robotic the offense looks under oscar and how they don't seem to know what to do when something gets taken away?
I'll grant you he can't coach offense worth a lick. But maybe a little structure would help prevent excessive turnovers, panic threes as the clock runs down, players getting into each others' way and the usual costly late-game fuckups.
The real question here is why is that dumb ass still our coach?
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oscar has always had too much structure on offense if anything
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“Plays“ is different than “structure.” Lots of basketball offenses run with rules and structure, but aren’t set “plays”
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One of the plays should be where the little pg we have throws an alley oop dunk to Davion Bradford
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One of the plays should be where the little pg we have throws an alley oop dunk to Davion Bradford
What if they combine together and make a "super person", ya know, like kicking & screaming (I know that is a soccer film but wow could you imagine?) :sdeek:
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“Plays“ is different than “structure.” Lots of basketball offenses run with rules and structure, but aren’t set “plays”
and you can also have "structure" that isn't "plays" that still lead to players overthinkng what they're supposed to be standing and nothing meaningful happens until Angel Rodriguez or The Flush bail the offense out by attacking the rim at the end of the shot clock.
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“Plays“ is different than “structure.” Lots of basketball offenses run with rules and structure, but aren’t set “plays”
and you can also have "structure" that isn't "plays" that still lead to players overthinkng what they're supposed to be standing and nothing meaningful happens until Angel Rodriguez or The Flush bail the offense out by attacking the rim at the end of the shot clock.
It’s the difference between being outstanding and out standing
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Plays are for end of game, in-bounds, or to take advantage of mismatches. I agree with everyone about having a structure but avoiding oscar micromanaging, which is generally terrible. His good teams all had PGs that can run the offense without his meddling.
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Plays are for end of game, in-bounds, or to take advantage of mismatches. I agree with everyone about having a structure but avoiding oscar micromanaging, which is generally terrible. His good teams all had PGs that can run the offense without his meddling.
But boy does he meddle! I think his micromanaging is good for the defense. not so for the offense.
Check out this awesome freelance offense ran by Scott Davenport's Bellarmine Knights. They don't shoot many threes, or do many ball screens, but space the floor and do tons of cutting and off-ball screens. They're offense remained highly efficient last season after transitioning from DII to DI, and were again one of the best FG% teams in the country (not sure about eFG).
They also don't have a player taller than 6'7" on the roster.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2T4bJh165g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZm146XrLYU
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Nearly all forecasters are picking us last, which is kind of puzzling given Iowa State and TCU still exist. I'll guess sixth or seventh with about 17 wins.
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Nearly all forecasters are picking us last, which is kind of puzzling given Iowa State and TCU still exist. I'll guess sixth or seventh with about 17 wins.
Iowa State unanimously last place in both the preseason coaches poll and one vote short in the media poll and tcu got that other 10th place vote. We were significantly closer to 7th than 10th.
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Visiting this board is like a Tardis to the past.
I see from this thread that you guys are experiencing the 2007 season, except you don't have any of Billy Gillispie's recruits remaining.
Your team will score exactly 58 points per game more often than it doesn't.
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Oh, and because I was sitting in a Brad Underwood press conference yesterday, I can tell you that he actually mentioned the fan experience of watching entertaining basketball.
Brooth still thinks of the game as something that must be endured.
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Your words hurt Rob, mostly because they're true
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in a Brad Underwood press conference yesterday, I can tell you that he actually mentioned the fan experience of watching entertaining basketball.
:frown:
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Winning basketball games is fun basketball. No one said a damn thing about fun when we averaged 60 points a game during the elite eight run. We scored more points against Loyola Chicago than we did against Kentucky. Which of those games was more fun? BTW K-State also scored more points against Loyola Chicago than Illinois.
In 2019 when we won a conference championship we were 98th in adjusted offense and 339th in adjusted tempo. Brad Underwood's fun Illinois squad was 83rd in adjusted offense and 52nd in tempo, they went 12-21.
It's been a decade since oscar got fired from Illinois, he's greatly outperformed the like 8 coaches they've had in that time. I'll be damned if I let these clowns come over here and try to flex on us. Win something then talk.
oscar can't hear any of this because he has two Big 12 championship rings plugging his ears.
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holy crap we were 9-20 last year? :sdeek:
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:lol:
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Happy for Brads success, we were his dream school so he’ll always be a wildcat to me.
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:dubious:
Mr. Rain's we/they viewpoint is not uncommon in the sports world, of course. But I think most of you Emaws understand that I'm not here for an out-group turf war.
But just FYI Rain, Brad did win* the Big 10 last year, and its tournament.
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:dubious:
Mr. Rain's we/they viewpoint is not uncommon in the sports world, of course. But I think most of you Emaws understand that I'm not here for an out-group turf war.
But just FYI Rain, Brad did win* the Big 10 last year, and its tournament.
i don't understand why you are here
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I like it when posters from other schools visit.
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Winning basketball games is fun basketball. No one said a damn thing about fun when we averaged 60 points a game during the elite eight run. We scored more points against Loyola Chicago than we did against Kentucky. Which of those games was more fun? BTW K-State also scored more points against Loyola Chicago than Illinois.
In 2019 when we won a conference championship we were 98th in adjusted offense and 339th in adjusted tempo. Brad Underwood's fun Illinois squad was 83rd in adjusted offense and 52nd in tempo, they went 12-21.
It's been a decade since oscar got fired from Illinois, he's greatly outperformed the like 8 coaches they've had in that time. I'll be damned if I let these clowns come over here and try to flex on us. Win something then talk.
oscar can't hear any of this because he has two Big 12 championship rings plugging his ears.
I dunno why we flex with shared titles followed by .500 (or worse seasons) and an early exit in the round of 64... That is beyond embarrassing in my eyes. But KSU fans will keep those shared titles with KU during their down years and hold them as high as they can while we have mediocre coach. That elite 8 run was the worst thing to happen, because it was a terrible excuse to give oscar an extension.
We failed Brad Underwood twice. He needs to come home soon. Can't let the boomers in here hold him back, sad!
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holy crap we were 9-20 last year? :sdeek:
No way, lmao
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If you can't enjoy a title because it's shared or we had a bad year following it, I feel sorry for you.
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If you can't enjoy a title because it's shared or we had a bad year following it, I feel sorry for you.
I love the salty tears of losers who qualify our basketball titles with “shared” in front.
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If you can't enjoy a title because it's shared or we had a bad year following it, I feel sorry for you.
I love the salty tears of losers who qualify our basketball titles with “shared” in front.
Incredibly losery behavior
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If you can't enjoy a title because it's shared or we had a bad year following it, I feel sorry for you.
Yeah, sharing a title and having 2 bad years (more than likely 3 at this point) following is totally fun and awesome. We know exactly ONCE how it feels to get out of the round of 64 with Weber.
Keep propping up ya boi, and keep settling for below average. Fans like you never deserved Frank either, you were in the group that wanted him gone because he yelled too much and explains why you support a man who never raises his voice. Pathetic.
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oscar yells all the time weird-o.
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Whatcha talking about Willis
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I like it when posters from other schools visit.
Me too
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the funny ones yeah...the angry ones it's just like shut the eff up
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There has only been one good (non-emaw) Illinois poster, the rest seem similar to Arkansas posters tbh
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There has only been one good (non-emaw) Illinois poster, the rest seem similar to Arkansas posters tbh
What about Pig Fuker?
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I thought the Illinois fans were easily better than average overall. And checking in on oscar after he's been gone a DECADE is a kind of deranged that I can appreciate.
As for other fans, it's been a while but I enjoyed The Shocker.
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Who are the top 5 non-emaw posters on this blog?
1. Spracne
2. Beems
3. Bread
4. Cdubya
5. ???
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Who are the top 5 non-emaw posters on this blog?
1. Spracne
2. Beems
3. Bread
4. Cdubya
5. ???
What in the world? Where is havs?
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Well see there ya go this is why I asked. Havs probs after beems
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I always thought of BMW as basically a KU wacky. Is this not accurate?
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There has only been one good (non-emaw) Illinois poster, the rest seem similar to Arkansas posters tbh
What about Pig Fuker?
I'm pretty sure that was an Arkansas sock.
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There has only been one good (non-emaw) Illinois poster, the rest seem similar to Arkansas posters tbh
What about Pig Fuker?
I'm pretty sure that was an Arkansas sock.
lol
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Did chum start off as a Cincinnati poster who came to ksufans with Huggins or did I make that up in my head?
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Hard to believe its been 8 years
Kansas State Basketball / Re: Wild Wildcats Vs. Lasalle game thread
« on: March 22, 2013, 03:02:59 PM »
i have seen this many times
Kansas St will come back, take the lead, go to the stall offense and end up losing by 4
(I was off by 2 points)
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I always thought of BMW as basically a KU wacky. Is this not accurate?
What made beems bitb is that he could troll a fanbase that was actively looking out for trolls. I think what made him great was like…gather up the most annoying Ku takes and he would recite them to the letter…but what set him apart was you couldn’t tell if he was just trolling or if he sincerely believed the opinions he espoused. It’s a fine line and he walked it perfectly.
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Did chum start off as a Cincinnati poster who came to ksufans with Huggins or did I make that up in my head?
I grew up a townie and went to K-State games for as long as I can remember. I remember playing with other kids under the bleachers at Ahearn during a a huge (maybe top ten) matchup with OU. And the football PA announcer saying "tackle by Reggie Singletary" a billion times because he was like our one really good player at the time.
I got my undergrad degree there as well. For a while, I worked in Ahearn as like a weight room/gym attendant. No one needs help working out. So, my job was basically to make sure that no equipment got stolen. Once, I was scheduled on the night of a basketball game. During my shift, I decided that it would be no big deal if I just slipped out to go to the game. Gym still open. Me still on the clock. As soon as the game was over, I went back to Ahearn, locked up, and then went on home.
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If you can't enjoy a title because it's shared or we had a bad year following it, I feel sorry for you.
Yeah, sharing a title and having 2 bad years (more than likely 3 at this point) following is totally fun and awesome. We know exactly ONCE how it feels to get out of the round of 64 with Weber.
Keep propping up ya boi, and keep settling for below average. Fans like you never deserved Frank either, you were in the group that wanted him gone because he yelled too much and explains why you support a man who never raises his voice. Pathetic.
This is a parody, right? FYI, I don't like oscar and would like him fired. I'll also allow myself to feel joy over our B12 titles. They're not mutually exclusive.
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Did chum start off as a Cincinnati poster who came to ksufans with Huggins or did I make that up in my head?
I grew up a townie and went to K-State games for as long as I can remember. I remember playing with other kids under the bleachers at Ahearn during a a huge (maybe top ten) matchup with OU. And the football PA announcer saying "tackle by Reggie Singletary" a billion times because he was like our one really good player at the time.
I got my undergrad degree there as well. For a while, I worked in Ahearn as like a weight room/gym attendant. No one needs help working out. So, my job was basically to make sure that no equipment got stolen. Once, I was scheduled on the night of a basketball game. During my shift, I decided that it would be no big deal if I just slipped out to go to the game. Gym still open. Me still on the clock. As soon as the game was over, I went back to Ahearn, locked up, and then went on home.
JFC a simple yes or no would have gotten it done.
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Did chum start off as a Cincinnati poster who came to ksufans with Huggins or did I make that up in my head?
I grew up a townie and went to K-State games for as long as I can remember. I remember playing with other kids under the bleachers at Ahearn during a a huge (maybe top ten) matchup with OU. And the football PA announcer saying "tackle by Reggie Singletary" a billion times because he was like our one really good player at the time.
I got my undergrad degree there as well. For a while, I worked in Ahearn as like a weight room/gym attendant. No one needs help working out. So, my job was basically to make sure that no equipment got stolen. Once, I was scheduled on the night of a basketball game. During my shift, I decided that it would be no big deal if I just slipped out to go to the game. Gym still open. Me still on the clock. As soon as the game was over, I went back to Ahearn, locked up, and then went on home.
JFC a simple yes or no would have gotten it done.
Just because you lack townie credentials doesn’t entitle you to hate on the man
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I grew up a townie and went to K-State games for as long as I can remember. I remember playing with other kids under the bleachers at Ahearn during a a huge (maybe top ten) matchup with OU. And the football PA announcer saying "tackle by Reggie Singletary" a billion times because he was like our one really good player at the time.
I got my undergrad degree there as well. For a while, I worked in Ahearn as like a weight room/gym attendant. No one needs help working out. So, my job was basically to make sure that no equipment got stolen. Once, I was scheduled on the night of a basketball game. During my shift, I decided that it would be no big deal if I just slipped out to go to the game. Gym still open. Me still on the clock. As soon as the game was over, I went back to Ahearn, locked up, and then went on home.
i remember scavenging for change, and the occasional scrap of paper money, under the bleachers as a young lad.
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i think jarr was the main cincy guy back on ksufans
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Did chum start off as a Cincinnati poster who came to ksufans with Huggins or did I make that up in my head?
I grew up a townie and went to K-State games for as long as I can remember. I remember playing with other kids under the bleachers at Ahearn during a a huge (maybe top ten) matchup with OU. And the football PA announcer saying "tackle by Reggie Singletary" a billion times because he was like our one really good player at the time.
I got my undergrad degree there as well. For a while, I worked in Ahearn as like a weight room/gym attendant. No one needs help working out. So, my job was basically to make sure that no equipment got stolen. Once, I was scheduled on the night of a basketball game. During my shift, I decided that it would be no big deal if I just slipped out to go to the game. Gym still open. Me still on the clock. As soon as the game was over, I went back to Ahearn, locked up, and then went on home.
:love: very cool, thanks for sharing
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Looks like oscar is on the sideline tonight
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:horrorsurprise: Having loosely scanned the last two pages (since my last visit), finna guess that this board remains mostly Emaw with a slightly larger fraction of My Country Right Or Wrong members, at least since the last time I hung out here.
But hey, Goebbels is ascendant these days. It's hard to argue with people who shout you down. Kansas certainly isn't immune to tribalism.
Do you Emaws want any updates from the upcoming Hall thing? The postgame stuff is all Zoom, but the rest of the coverage is live.
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:horrorsurprise: Having loosely scanned the last two pages (since my last visit), finna guess that this board remains mostly Emaw with a slightly larger fraction of My Country Right Or Wrong members, at least since the last time I hung out here.
But hey, Goebbels is ascendant these days. It's hard to argue with people who shout you down. Kansas certainly isn't immune to tribalism.
Do you Emaws want any updates from the upcoming Hall thing? The postgame stuff is all Zoom, but the rest of the coverage is live.
How was the fan experience of that Marquette game?
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The internet really can compare absolutely anything to Hitler and the nazis
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The internet really can compare absolutely anything to Hitler and the nazis
Perfectly rational to compare fans of a college basketball team to THE holocaust propagandist.
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Illinois basketball fan experience is down bad.
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Illinois basketball fan experience is down bad.
In shambles frankly.
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their crap talking on here is always hilariously mistimed
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:dunno:
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Not yet. 22-45 isn't bad enough.
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Not yet. 22-45 isn't bad enough.
It’s almost over
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I hate Oscar so damn much anymore.
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IKR. Half the rough ridin' fanbase is going to insist he needs to stay becausse the team has improved from last year, forgetting last year was historically bad. Others will say we need to keep the team core together, which is going for one good season rather than building a program. Time to pull off the bandaid.
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their crap talking on here is always hilariously mistimed
We really should be brothers, I love watching Brad and Chet on their bench, but they want to be wierdos and hold a grudge against someone they fired. You'd think they'd want the best for oscar, but when you haven't won crap, I guess it makes you bitter.
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IKR. Half the rough ridin' fanbase is going to insist he needs to stay becausse the team has improved from last year, forgetting last year was historically bad. Others will say we need to keep the team core together, which is going for one good season rather than building a program. Time to pull off the bandaid.
It's over, he's going to retire at the end of the year. Gene didn't hire that dude. If he wasn't loyal to Bill, he won't be to oscar. This time next year oscar will be chilling in Scottsdale.
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still here. :angry:
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Season's not over bro
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i'm now on the side of canning his ass if the season doesn't go well enough because either way we'll lose a couple guys.
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:bwpopcorn: :bwpopcorn: :bwpopcorn: :bang:
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https://twitter.com/sullyengels/status/1501755397442613258
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We can only hope that is the last 6 minutes of validation seeking we ever have to hear from that guy
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ya i want to empathize but he makes it so hard. he drug every coach we’ve had since kruger out the door with him in a way that only oscar can
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Nice shotgun spray of shade.
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Man, that video really made me like oscar but at the same time we have finished 9/10th in the big12 for the last 3 years.....Also LOVED his comment about growing his hair out until the FBI/Addidas thing was resolved :lol:
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Man, that video really made me like oscar but at the same time we have finished 9/10th in the big12 for the last 3 years.....Also LOVED his comment about growing his hair out until the FBI/Addidas thing was resolved :lol:
Seriously. Wtf?
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Man, that video really made me like oscar but at the same time we have finished 9/10th in the big12 for the last 3 years.....Also LOVED his comment about growing his hair out until the FBI/Addidas thing was resolved :lol:
Seriously. Wtf?
He came for your guy, again. KU fans will have to turn their rage to some random Big South, MAC, or NEC conference program.
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Man, that video really made me like oscar but at the same time we have finished 9/10th in the big12 for the last 3 years.....Also LOVED his comment about growing his hair out until the FBI/Addidas thing was resolved :lol:
Seriously. Wtf?
He came for your guy, again. KU fans will have to turn their rage to some random Big South, MAC, or NEC conference program.
Trust me, I knew what he meant. What an asshat.
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Man, that video really made me like oscar but at the same time we have finished 9/10th in the big12 for the last 3 years.....Also LOVED his comment about growing his hair out until the FBI/Addidas thing was resolved :lol:
Seriously. Wtf?
He came for your guy, again. KU fans will have to turn their rage to some random Big South, MAC, or NEC conference program.
Trust me, I knew what he meant. What an asshat.
It wouldn't bother you if you though it was meritless.
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Our next coach is going to suck so bad.
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Man, that video really made me like oscar but at the same time we have finished 9/10th in the big12 for the last 3 years.....Also LOVED his comment about growing his hair out until the FBI/Addidas thing was resolved :lol:
Seriously. Wtf?
He came for your guy, again. KU fans will have to turn their rage to some random Big South, MAC, or NEC conference program.
Trust me, I knew what he meant. What an asshat.
That was about the only thing he said that I didn't take exception with.
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We can only hope that is the last 6 minutes of validation seeking we ever have to hear from that guy
STFU dude, that was cool and he gave a lot to this university. Keep being a douche on his way out.
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ya i want to empathize but he makes it so hard. he drug every coach we’ve had since kruger out the door with him in a way that only oscar can
His point was, no one won a goddamn conference title since he got there, and nobody was named Grade A1 villain from the first day they were hired at K-State either since ‘77.
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Man, that video really made me like oscar but at the same time we have finished 9/10th in the big12 for the last 3 years.....Also LOVED his comment about growing his hair out until the FBI/Addidas thing was resolved :lol:
Seriously. Wtf?
He came for your guy, again. KU fans will have to turn their rage to some random Big South, MAC, or NEC conference program.
Trust me, I knew what he meant. What an asshat.
It wouldn't bother you if you though it was meritless.
Yeah, Spracs is out of character here. eff your school and their cheating asses, bro!
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Tournament is a crap shoot. I just want a dude that can make it consistently.
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wacky i'm happy for you that you were able to get courtside seats for what was (most likely) the last game for your guy at kstate. I think you were one of the few true believers through and through
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Yeah, it was a good time. I'm going to miss Wednesdays. Thing about Wednesday games tho, you better win.
(https://c.tenor.com/lmuB14VpAGoAAAAC/think-smart.gif)
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Our next coach is going to suck so bad.
I am not allowing myself to expect anything better than to be underwhelmed.
Bulletproof.
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That did not make me like oscar anymore. Came off as someone who has put it on cruise control the last few years and points to the past and says remember that.
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That did not make me like oscar anymore. Came off as someone who has put it on cruise control the last few years and points to the past and says remember that.
It pointed to me as a guy who gave it his all and he's having his ole yeller moment before the trigger is pulled. :dunno: I would too!
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ya i want to empathize but he makes it so hard. he drug every coach we’ve had since kruger out the door with him in a way that only oscar can
His point was, no one won a goddamn conference title since he got there, and nobody was named Grade A1 villain from the first day they were hired at K-State either since ‘77.
when he was crying about how none of those other coaches couldn’t do what he did in winning B12’s, he should have also included coaching the team to a place statistically, that was lower than anything those other coaches could, despite how hard they tried
typical oscar, take the adulation, ignore/displace any criticism
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I'd have enjoyed more of the oscar that took shots at KU on his way out the door.
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ya i want to empathize but he makes it so hard. he drug every coach we’ve had since kruger out the door with him in a way that only oscar can
His point was, no one won a goddamn conference title since he got there, and nobody was named Grade A1 villain from the first day they were hired at K-State either since ‘77.
when he was crying about how none of those other coaches couldn’t do what he did in winning B12’s, he should have also included coaching the team to a place statistically, that was lower than anything those other coaches could, despite how hard they tried
typical oscar, take the adulation, ignore/displace any criticism
It was his farewell speech. You gonna talk about your lows on your death bed?
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Tournament is a crap shoot. I just want a dude that can make it consistently.
Absolutely. If he just managed to get us into the Tournament all but 1 or 2 years, I’d be all aboard the oscar train, even if we usually get bounced before the sweet 16.
That’s by far the worst part of his resume on paper. Hard to thumb your nose at any coach who brings an Elite Eight appearance and two conference titles, but missing the tournament entirely is a KITN every single time.
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Just received a message from my son that he has resigned. Haven't seen it anywhere else.
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ya i want to empathize but he makes it so hard. he drug every coach we’ve had since kruger out the door with him in a way that only oscar can
Yeah any chance I had to care about oscar went out the door with that. Bad form.
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https://twitter.com/KStateMBB/status/1501953860977500169
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ya i want to empathize but he makes it so hard. he drug every coach we’ve had since kruger out the door with him in a way that only oscar can
His point was, no one won a goddamn conference title since he got there, and nobody was named Grade A1 villain from the first day they were hired at K-State either since ‘77.
when he was crying about how none of those other coaches couldn’t do what he did in winning B12’s, he should have also included coaching the team to a place statistically, that was lower than anything those other coaches could, despite how hard they tried
typical oscar, take the adulation, ignore/displace any criticism
It was his farewell speech. You gonna talk about your lows on your death bed?
Talk about your highs but don't drag old coaches with you. Hell I half expected him to mention his B12's versus old balls.
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He got OBz'd.
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Just received a message from my son that he has resigned. Haven't seen it anywhere else.
"Friendship ended with oscar.
Now gE is my Best friend. "
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Official. Sorry if Luk'd:
https://www.kstatesports.com/news/2022/3/10/mens-basketball-weber-resigns-as-mens-basketball-head-coach.aspx (https://www.kstatesports.com/news/2022/3/10/mens-basketball-weber-resigns-as-mens-basketball-head-coach.aspx)
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Just received a message from my son that he has resigned. Haven't seen it anywhere else.
first pass i read that as re-signed
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ya i want to empathize but he makes it so hard. he drug every coach we’ve had since kruger out the door with him in a way that only oscar can
His point was, no one won a goddamn conference title since he got there, and nobody was named Grade A1 villain from the first day they were hired at K-State either since ‘77.
when he was crying about how none of those other coaches couldn’t do what he did in winning B12’s, he should have also included coaching the team to a place statistically, that was lower than anything those other coaches could, despite how hard they tried
typical oscar, take the adulation, ignore/displace any criticism
It was his farewell speech. You gonna talk about your lows on your death bed?
Talk about your highs but don't drag old coaches with you. Hell I half expected him to mention his B12's versus old balls.
He was crap on from day 1 by our psycho fan base and never got the opportunity to be liked, like the others. I appreciate his mic drop on the way out. He's 100% accurate on all accounts.
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The Brucecuses were a prime example of continually passing the buck or blaming something or someone else for the inability for the program under oscar Weber to perform at critical times.
Only a certain type of clown continually goes to battle for a person that is the 4th 3rd highest paid employee in the State of Kansas, when that 3rd highest paid employee in the state of Kansas continually attempts to deflect from their failures.
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I'm gonna miss oscar, but it was time for him to go. Liked his presser last night. You naysayers can cram it.
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I don't think he was dragging anyone. He may have been implying that we're kinda crazy for firing him because it will be incredibly difficult to find someone better. I'd agree with that.
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ya i want to empathize but he makes it so hard. he drug every coach we’ve had since kruger out the door with him in a way that only oscar can
His point was, no one won a goddamn conference title since he got there, and nobody was named Grade A1 villain from the first day they were hired at K-State either since ‘77.
when he was crying about how none of those other coaches couldn’t do what he did in winning B12’s, he should have also included coaching the team to a place statistically, that was lower than anything those other coaches could, despite how hard they tried
typical oscar, take the adulation, ignore/displace any criticism
It was his farewell speech. You gonna talk about your lows on your death bed?
Talk about your highs but don't drag old coaches with you. Hell I half expected him to mention his B12's versus old balls.
He was crap on from day 1 by our psycho fan base and never got the opportunity to be liked, like the others. I appreciate his mic drop on the way out. He's 100% accurate on all accounts.
Isn't his ability to be liked directly tied to him?
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The terms of Weber's contract will be honored by K-State Athletics.
What does this mean regarding his buyout?
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The Brucecuses were a prime example of continually passing the buck or blaming something or someone else for the inability for the program under oscar Weber to perform at critical times.
Only a certain type of clown continually goes to battle for a person that is the 4th 3rd highest paid employee in the State of Kansas, when that 3rd highest paid employee in the state of Kansas continually attempts to deflect from their failures.
:lol:
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ya i want to empathize but he makes it so hard. he drug every coach we’ve had since kruger out the door with him in a way that only oscar can
His point was, no one won a goddamn conference title since he got there, and nobody was named Grade A1 villain from the first day they were hired at K-State either since ‘77.
when he was crying about how none of those other coaches couldn’t do what he did in winning B12’s, he should have also included coaching the team to a place statistically, that was lower than anything those other coaches could, despite how hard they tried
typical oscar, take the adulation, ignore/displace any criticism
It was his farewell speech. You gonna talk about your lows on your death bed?
Talk about your highs but don't drag old coaches with you. Hell I half expected him to mention his B12's versus old balls.
He was crap on from day 1 by our psycho fan base and never got the opportunity to be liked, like the others. I appreciate his mic drop on the way out. He's 100% accurate on all accounts.
Isn't his ability to be liked directly tied to him?
Don't waste your time.
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If next dude wins 2 ‘ships and gets to elite 8 over 10 years I’d be thrilled. I just hope he isn’t a weird eff like oscar was.
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ya i want to empathize but he makes it so hard. he drug every coach we’ve had since kruger out the door with him in a way that only oscar can
His point was, no one won a goddamn conference title since he got there, and nobody was named Grade A1 villain from the first day they were hired at K-State either since ‘77.
when he was crying about how none of those other coaches couldn’t do what he did in winning B12’s, he should have also included coaching the team to a place statistically, that was lower than anything those other coaches could, despite how hard they tried
typical oscar, take the adulation, ignore/displace any criticism
It was his farewell speech. You gonna talk about your lows on your death bed?
Talk about your highs but don't drag old coaches with you. Hell I half expected him to mention his B12's versus old balls.
He was crap on from day 1 by our psycho fan base and never got the opportunity to be liked, like the others. I appreciate his mic drop on the way out. He's 100% accurate on all accounts.
Isn't his ability to be liked directly tied to him?
People went complete ape crap over his hire and a bunch of ppl wrote off his big 12 tourney at first, because of "franks players". Nobody else got treated like this when they were brought on at K-State. His successes never really mattered to the BID'rs. They were waiting for the house to fall from day 1. Jokes on them tho.
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Also, don't engage 'dax. Dude loves to try and evaluate everyone, but himself. He's scum and a colossal white trash, Alabama loser. #FACTS
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Yes, everyone, one of the worst 3 year runs in K-State Basketball history is all on you.
Based on tenure, the worst overall conference record, by far an away the worst record against our instate rival (based on tenure length) and the easily the lowest level of success ever in the NCAA tourney based on tenure . . . the joke is on you.
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Also, don't engage 'dax. Dude loves to try and evaluate everyone, but himself. He's scum and a colossal white trash, Alabama loser. #FACTS
The meltdown has begun.
#onbrand
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Yes, everyone, one of the worst 3 year runs in K-State Basketball history is all on you.
Based on tenure, the worst overall conference record, by far an away the worst record against our instate rival (based on tenure length) and the easily the lowest level of success ever in the NCAA tourney based on tenure . . . the joke is on you.
2 conference championships. One for the first time since 1977 and one to break "the streak". 50% on making the tourney in his 10 years. Good crap, dax. He's gone, move on, start pivoting to how Brad Underwood sucks because he can't make the 2nd week of the tourney. We can't wait.
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I'd like to think that we were willing to go ahead and pay the buyout because we already have Coach Pitino lined up. I guess time will tell, though.
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Certain clowns have what I call inherent D. Scott Fritchen syndrome. That being they'll never hold the person making millions of dollars to perform job 1A accountable. They'll always be there to pile on the excuses and blame everyone else for the failures of their guy getting paid the 7 figure salary.
We have a great example of this on this blog.
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Certain clowns have what I call inherent D. Scott Fritchen syndrome. That being they'll never hold the person making millions of dollars to perform job 1A accountable. They'll always be there to pile on the excuses and blame everyone else for the failures of their guy getting paid the 7 figure salary.
We have a great example of this on this blog.
I think everyone here recognized that it was time for oscar to go, so I'm not really sure what or who you're talking about.
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/The terms of Weber's contract will be honored by K-State Athletics.
What does this mean regarding his buyout?
His ass was canned and he's getting paid for that accordingly.
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Certain clowns have what I call inherent D. Scott Fritchen syndrome. That being they'll never hold the person making millions of dollars to perform job 1A accountable. They'll always be there to pile on the excuses and blame everyone else for the failures of their guy getting paid the 7 figure salary.
We have a great example of this on this blog.
I think everyone here recognized that it was time for oscar to go, so I'm not really sure what or who you're talking about.
Yup!
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Certain clowns have what I call inherent D. Scott Fritchen syndrome. That being they'll never hold the person making millions of dollars to perform job 1A accountable. They'll always be there to pile on the excuses and blame everyone else for the failures of their guy getting paid the 7 figure salary.
We have a great example of this on this blog.
I think everyone here recognized that it was time for oscar to go, so I'm not really sure what or who you're talking about.
Recognizing that oscar needed to go, and the bent that certain people are on are two distinctly different things.
You must have people blocked.
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Yes, everyone, one of the worst 3 year runs in K-State Basketball history is all on you.
Based on tenure, the worst overall conference record, by far an away the worst record against our instate rival (based on tenure length) and the easily the lowest level of success ever in the NCAA tourney based on tenure . . . the joke is on you.
2 conference championships. One for the first time since 1977 and one to break "the streak". 50% on making the tourney in his 10 years. Good crap, dax. He's gone, move on, start pivoting to how Brad Underwood sucks because he can't make the 2nd week of the tourney. We can't wait.
He also lost to a D2 school at home by 20 and had the worst 3 year stretch in program history. 2 Conference championships do not make up for that, and his tournament resume (which matters to most people alot more than conference titles) is even worse.
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Cool. He's gone.
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/The terms of Weber's contract will be honored by K-State Athletics.
What does this mean regarding his buyout?
His ass was canned and he's getting paid for that accordingly.
Yes, Gene just paid $400,000 to fire him three weeks before his buyout was reduced.
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He’s on 810 right now roasting the kstate fanbase allegedly
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Just joined the stream, so he's vacillating between K-State being a great job, and then talking repeatedly about hard it is to recruit to K-State. He sounds very bitter.
Edit: It sounds like a presser
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ya i want to empathize but he makes it so hard. he drug every coach we’ve had since kruger out the door with him in a way that only oscar can
His point was, no one won a goddamn conference title since he got there, and nobody was named Grade A1 villain from the first day they were hired at K-State either since ‘77.
when he was crying about how none of those other coaches couldn’t do what he did in winning B12’s, he should have also included coaching the team to a place statistically, that was lower than anything those other coaches could, despite how hard they tried
typical oscar, take the adulation, ignore/displace any criticism
It was his farewell speech. You gonna talk about your lows on your death bed?
Talk about your highs but don't drag old coaches with you. Hell I half expected him to mention his B12's versus old balls.
He was crap on from day 1 by our psycho fan base and never got the opportunity to be liked, like the others. I appreciate his mic drop on the way out. He's 100% accurate on all accounts.
Isn't his ability to be liked directly tied to him?
Come on man. Some of you guys complaining about that press conference are doing a little bit of performative theatre with the oscar Weber era. Yeah, he and he alone are responsible for the on court results, but literally from the start there were significant parts of this fan base that never gave him a chance. We, literally we, goEMAW picketed his press conference. A poster on this board broke a sink at Bramlage during said press conference. The first year he was here, a year in which he won a conference championship, he went down to Texas and beat UT down there, his reward, he got heckled during his post game interview, after a goddamn win. There are so many of these things that I could go on and on about. Do you think he didn't know this crap was happening? Do you think that he should have just been able to compartmentalize that swaths of the fan base never accepted him, only because he followed Frank Martin and he was hired by John Currie? This was a highly unusual situation from the start, and you're fooling yourself if you even hint that he was given a level playing field when he started here.
I called for him to be fired a couple of times and even given retrospect I still think he should have been fired after he lost nearly that entire team with Foster, and I think the team grossly underperformed during Dean, Barry, and Cam's sophomore year. I was clearly wrong and I'll own that.
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He just dragged our previous AD's. :love:
He said he's wanted Pullen's, Beasley, Wade, Brown's, McGruder, etc. jersey's retired for years, but nobody would listen to him and he hopes they listen to the next coach with some of those suggestions. :love:
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I'd like to think that we were willing to go ahead and pay the buyout because we already have Coach Pitino lined up. I guess time will tell, though.
Well he suddenly has a lot of unforeseen free time.
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He just dragged our previous AD's. :love:
He said he's wanted Pullen's, Beasley, Wade, Brown's, McGruder, etc. jersey's retired for years, but nobody would listen to him and he hopes they listen to the next coach with some of those suggestions. :love:
Dont think Pullen wanted oscar to be the coach when his jersey was retired.
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He just dragged our previous AD's. :love:
He said he's wanted Pullen's, Beasley, Wade, Brown's, McGruder, etc. jersey's retired for years, but nobody would listen to him and he hopes they listen to the next coach with some of those suggestions. :love:
oscar has always done everything right and the reason bad things happen or good things don't happen is someone else's fault.
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ya i want to empathize but he makes it so hard. he drug every coach we’ve had since kruger out the door with him in a way that only oscar can
His point was, no one won a goddamn conference title since he got there, and nobody was named Grade A1 villain from the first day they were hired at K-State either since ‘77.
when he was crying about how none of those other coaches couldn’t do what he did in winning B12’s, he should have also included coaching the team to a place statistically, that was lower than anything those other coaches could, despite how hard they tried
typical oscar, take the adulation, ignore/displace any criticism
It was his farewell speech. You gonna talk about your lows on your death bed?
Talk about your highs but don't drag old coaches with you. Hell I half expected him to mention his B12's versus old balls.
He was crap on from day 1 by our psycho fan base and never got the opportunity to be liked, like the others. I appreciate his mic drop on the way out. He's 100% accurate on all accounts.
Isn't his ability to be liked directly tied to him?
Come on man. Some of you guys complaining about that press conference are doing a little bit of performative theatre with the oscar Weber era. Yeah, he and he alone are responsible for the on court results, but literally from the start there were significant parts of this fan base that never gave him a chance. We, literally we, goEMAW picketed his press conference. A poster on this board broke a sink at Bramlage during said press conference. The first year he was here, a year in which he won a conference championship, he went down to Texas and beat UT down there, his reward, he got heckled during his post game interview, after a goddamn win. There are so many of these things that I could go on and on about. Do you think he didn't know this crap was happening? Do you think that he should have just been able to compartmentalize that swaths of the fan base never accepted him, only because he followed Frank Martin and he was hired by John Currie? This was a highly unusual situation from the start, and you're fooling yourself if you even hint that he was given a level playing field when he started here.
I called for him to be fired a couple of times and even given retrospect I still think he should have been fired after he lost nearly that entire team with Foster, and I think the team grossly underperformed during Dean, Barry, and Cam's sophomore year. I was clearly wrong and I'll own that.
:clap: Some posters apparently blacked out the past 10 years.
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He just dragged our previous AD's. :love:
He said he's wanted Pullen's, Beasley, Wade, Brown's, McGruder, etc. jersey's retired for years, but nobody would listen to him and he hopes they listen to the next coach with some of those suggestions. :love:
Well he only worked for two ADs and I don't know how he could have an issue with either of those dudes. As far as the jersey retirements go, Pullen and Beasley aren't going to have a ceremony without Frank here, so those are going to have to wait, certainly oscar knows this. I love Claws and The Flush, they are 100% K-State and State of Kansas hall of famers, I would have to look at the numbers to see if they should have their jerseys retired though. I really don't think we should be like KU and essentially retire everyone who was a multi-year starter.
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He just dragged gE! :lol:
Question: "Do you ever feel like you didn't get a fair shake from day 1 by some of the fans"
Coach: "There was definitely a pocket of fans that didn't want me here from day 1. They protested when I arrived and wanted Doug Gottlieb or something crazy like that. K-State is a really great place, but I feel this pocket of fans are hurting K-State more than they're helping them". :love: :love:
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He just dragged our previous AD's. :love:
He said he's wanted Pullen's, Beasley, Wade, Brown's, McGruder, etc. jersey's retired for years, but nobody would listen to him and he hopes they listen to the next coach with some of those suggestions. :love:
oscar has always done everything right and the reason bad things happen or good things don't happen is someone else's fault.
Yep, and when he's rightfully dragged for his constant stream of excuses and his constant passive aggressive stream of consciousness, there are people who get upset.
For example, the thing with the hair is absolutely childish on every conceivable level. He's not protesting world hunger, or genocide. He's a multi-millionaire protesting that other multi-millionaires don't play by the rules of a game run by a multi-billion dollar entity while he works for a $100 million dollar atheltic department, and works inside a $25 million dollar building with an office that many CEO's would be envious of . . . 1000% childish.
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He just dragged our previous AD's. :love:
He said he's wanted Pullen's, Beasley, Wade, Brown's, McGruder, etc. jersey's retired for years, but nobody would listen to him and he hopes they listen to the next coach with some of those suggestions. :love:
Dont think Pullen wanted oscar to be the coach when his jersey was retired.
Pullen literally rebutted this himself like inside of the last month and a half and it was documented on this very board.
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He just dragged our previous AD's. :love:
He said he's wanted Pullen's, Beasley, Wade, Brown's, McGruder, etc. jersey's retired for years, but nobody would listen to him and he hopes they listen to the next coach with some of those suggestions. :love:
Well he only worked for two ADs and I don't know how he could have an issue with either of those dudes. As far as the jersey retirements go, Pullen and Beasley aren't going to have a ceremony without Frank here, so those are going to have to wait, certainly oscar knows this. I love Claws and The Flush, they are 100% K-State and State of Kansas hall of famers, I would have to look at the numbers to see if they should have their jerseys retired though. I really don't think we should be like KU and essentially retire everyone who was a multi-year starter.
Agreed
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ya i want to empathize but he makes it so hard. he drug every coach we’ve had since kruger out the door with him in a way that only oscar can
His point was, no one won a goddamn conference title since he got there, and nobody was named Grade A1 villain from the first day they were hired at K-State either since ‘77.
when he was crying about how none of those other coaches couldn’t do what he did in winning B12’s, he should have also included coaching the team to a place statistically, that was lower than anything those other coaches could, despite how hard they tried
typical oscar, take the adulation, ignore/displace any criticism
It was his farewell speech. You gonna talk about your lows on your death bed?
Talk about your highs but don't drag old coaches with you. Hell I half expected him to mention his B12's versus old balls.
He was crap on from day 1 by our psycho fan base and never got the opportunity to be liked, like the others. I appreciate his mic drop on the way out. He's 100% accurate on all accounts.
Isn't his ability to be liked directly tied to him?
Come on man. Some of you guys complaining about that press conference are doing a little bit of performative theatre with the oscar Weber era. Yeah, he and he alone are responsible for the on court results, but literally from the start there were significant parts of this fan base that never gave him a chance. We, literally we, goEMAW picketed his press conference. A poster on this board broke a sink at Bramlage during said press conference. The first year he was here, a year in which he won a conference championship, he went down to Texas and beat UT down there, his reward, he got heckled during his post game interview, after a goddamn win. There are so many of these things that I could go on and on about. Do you think he didn't know this crap was happening? Do you think that he should have just been able to compartmentalize that swaths of the fan base never accepted him, only because he followed Frank Martin and he was hired by John Currie? This was a highly unusual situation from the start, and you're fooling yourself if you even hint that he was given a level playing field when he started here.
I called for him to be fired a couple of times and even given retrospect I still think he should have been fired after he lost nearly that entire team with Foster, and I think the team grossly underperformed during Dean, Barry, and Cam's sophomore year. I was clearly wrong and I'll own that.
Despite the amount of words used, this is the succinct and correct response imo. I'd add that his entire tenure occurring in a generally very polarized era only exacerbated all of these things.
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gip, smith and pack with very gracious replies
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He just dragged our previous AD's. :love:
He said he's wanted Pullen's, Beasley, Wade, Brown's, McGruder, etc. jersey's retired for years, but nobody would listen to him and he hopes they listen to the next coach with some of those suggestions. :love:
oscar has always done everything right and the reason bad things happen or good things don't happen is someone else's fault.
This has always been an unfair characterization. He literally started his comments last night saying that he wishes he accomplished more here. He speaks with candor, and it is used against him a lot. Does he focus on things beyond his control, yeah, he does, but you people who say he never takes responsibility are ridiculous. He was in the position where we as fans would point out a poorly officiated game, and most everyone would agree, then oscar would say something about it in the post game then some of the same people would say that he's making excuses.
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It wasn’t all the losing that caused us to lose, it was the negativity about that losing? Is the below what he actually said? Because lmao if so.
https://twitter.com/lifeoffitz/status/1501976216588402691
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He just dragged gE! :lol:
Question: "Do you ever feel like you didn't get a fair shake from day 1 by some of the fans"
Coach: "There was definitely a pocket of fans that didn't want me here from day 1. They protested when I arrived and wanted Doug Gottlieb or something crazy like that. K-State is a really great place, but I feel this pocket of fans are hurting K-State more than they're helping them". :love: :love:
I about spit out my drink when I heard that. You got most of his answer right but I feel you missed a part after that statement where he circled back and said "Gottlieb? That was the stupidest thing ever"
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:lol: It really was.
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oscar going out like a complete bitch is completely on brand
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He just dragged gE! :lol:
Question: "Do you ever feel like you didn't get a fair shake from day 1 by some of the fans"
Coach: "There was definitely a pocket of fans that didn't want me here from day 1. They protested when I arrived and wanted Doug Gottlieb or something crazy like that. K-State is a really great place, but I feel this pocket of fans are hurting K-State more than they're helping them". :love: :love:
Did we treat him fairly? No. A lot of the negativity was actually anger at the John Currie(who can still go eff himself on fire) stupidity and how JC was a complete fuckhead and how JC pushed oscar out in front. Like it or not but oscar took arrows for JC as well as for oscar not being what fans who loved Junkyard Cat BB wanted.
That all said, eff him and his stance about fans hurting Kstate. That’s asinine. Kstate literally has all of the control in these situations. eff him.
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He just dragged our previous AD's. :love:
He said he's wanted Pullen's, Beasley, Wade, Brown's, McGruder, etc. jersey's retired for years, but nobody would listen to him and he hopes they listen to the next coach with some of those suggestions. :love:
oscar has always done everything right and the reason bad things happen or good things don't happen is someone else's fault.
This has always been an unfair characterization. He literally started his comments last night saying that he wishes he accomplished more here. He speaks with candor, and it is used against him a lot. Does he focus on things beyond his control, yeah, he does, but you people who say he never takes responsibility are ridiculous. He was in the position where we as fans would point out a poorly officiated game, and most everyone would agree, then oscar would say something about it in the post game then some of the same people would say that he's making excuses.
This is how oscar comes across:
I coached nearly perfectly, but not perfectly, so I can do better. However, if everyone else had done their job correctly or didn't suck (including my players) or hadn't screwed us over (schedule makers), I wouldn't have to have been perfect in my coaching.
He's completely oblivious to the fact that he is terrible at in-game strategy. He fouled The Flush out in the first half of a tournament game and it cost us the game. I've never heard him acknowledge the fact that he lost the UC-Irvine game by taking Barry out in the first half. He is always making decisions that put us at a disadvantage and he appears to be clueless to that fact.
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It wasn’t all the losing that caused us to lose, it was the negativity about that losing? Is the below what he actually said? Because lmao if so.
https://twitter.com/lifeoffitz/status/1501976216588402691
If true, this is the type of thing that makes the alleged sincerity of his accepting ultimate responsibility that much less believable.
Every statement he makes about being responsible, is immediately countermanded by additional statements that clearly indicate that he doesn't believe his own words about ultimate accountability.
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I agree with oscar. We have some shitty, dumbass fans
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He just dragged our previous AD's. :love:
He said he's wanted Pullen's, Beasley, Wade, Brown's, McGruder, etc. jersey's retired for years, but nobody would listen to him and he hopes they listen to the next coach with some of those suggestions. :love:
oscar has always done everything right and the reason bad things happen or good things don't happen is someone else's fault.
This has always been an unfair characterization. He literally started his comments last night saying that he wishes he accomplished more here. He speaks with candor, and it is used against him a lot. Does he focus on things beyond his control, yeah, he does, but you people who say he never takes responsibility are ridiculous. He was in the position where we as fans would point out a poorly officiated game, and most everyone would agree, then oscar would say something about it in the post game then some of the same people would say that he's making excuses.
This is how oscar comes across:
I coached nearly perfectly, but not perfectly, so I can do better. However, if everyone else had done their job correctly or didn't suck (including my players) or hadn't screwed us over (schedule makers), I wouldn't have to have been perfect in my coaching.
He's completely oblivious to the fact that he is terrible at in-game strategy. He fouled The Flush out in the first half of a tournament game and it cost us the game. I've never heard him acknowledge the fact that he lost the UC-Irvine game by taking Barry out in the first half. He is always making decisions that put us at a disadvantage and he appears to be clueless to that fact.
That's funny you mention this, because a huge portion of our fans bitch about how he sits players in the first half when they have two fouls too often, so which is it?
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oscar lost in the 1st round in kansas sodding city as a 4 seed to la salle (?) with this roster:
JO
angel
spracs
shane
hot rod
gip
nino
martavious
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I agree with oscar. We have some shitty, dumbass fans
Yeah and now a lot of these fans are having a hard time hearing it. Sad.
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Lol the guys on 810 are dragging oscar now calling him a soft whiny loser.
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He's completely oblivious to the fact that he is terrible at in-game strategy. He fouled The Flush out in the first half of a tournament game and it cost us the game. I've never heard him acknowledge the fact that he lost the UC-Irvine game by taking Barry out in the first half. He is always making decisions that put us at a disadvantage and he appears to be clueless to that fact.
That's funny you mention this, because a huge portion of our fans bitch about how he sits players in the first half when they have two fouls too often, so which is it?
yeah Justwin, which is it?
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He's completely oblivious to the fact that he is terrible at in-game strategy. He fouled The Flush out in the first half of a tournament game and it cost us the game. I've never heard him acknowledge the fact that he lost the UC-Irvine game by taking Barry out in the first half. He is always making decisions that put us at a disadvantage and he appears to be clueless to that fact.
That's funny you mention this, because a huge portion of our fans bitch about how he sits players in the first half when they have two fouls too often, so which is it?
yeah Justwin, which is it?
I read the first part of his post where he said he literally fouled Brown out in the first half of the tourney, mocat. Get a grip, guy.
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He just dragged gE! :lol:
Question: "Do you ever feel like you didn't get a fair shake from day 1 by some of the fans"
Coach: "There was definitely a pocket of fans that didn't want me here from day 1. They protested when I arrived and wanted Doug Gottlieb or something crazy like that. K-State is a really great place, but I feel this pocket of fans are hurting K-State more than they're helping them". :love: :love:
dang...
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/1501979047542374401?s=20&t=spmGnkhrLcLJ2t6GFtN2aw
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I'll give him this, oscar was probably better than Gottlieb would've been
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He's completely oblivious to the fact that he is terrible at in-game strategy. He fouled The Flush out in the first half of a tournament game and it cost us the game. I've never heard him acknowledge the fact that he lost the UC-Irvine game by taking Barry out in the first half. He is always making decisions that put us at a disadvantage and he appears to be clueless to that fact.
That's funny you mention this, because a huge portion of our fans bitch about how he sits players in the first half when they have two fouls too often, so which is it?
yeah Justwin, which is it?
I read the first part of his post where he said he literally fouled Brown out in the first half of the tourney, mocat. Get a grip, guy.
You should review the difference between literal and literalist.
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I'll give him this, oscar was probably better than Gottlieb would've been
Have to be fair. This is true.
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I'll give him this, oscar was probably better than Gottlieb would've been
Have to be fair. This is true.
Who would have thought gE posters would make shitty heady coach hiring decisions.
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He just dragged our previous AD's. :love:
He said he's wanted Pullen's, Beasley, Wade, Brown's, McGruder, etc. jersey's retired for years, but nobody would listen to him and he hopes they listen to the next coach with some of those suggestions. :love:
oscar has always done everything right and the reason bad things happen or good things don't happen is someone else's fault.
This has always been an unfair characterization. He literally started his comments last night saying that he wishes he accomplished more here. He speaks with candor, and it is used against him a lot. Does he focus on things beyond his control, yeah, he does, but you people who say he never takes responsibility are ridiculous. He was in the position where we as fans would point out a poorly officiated game, and most everyone would agree, then oscar would say something about it in the post game then some of the same people would say that he's making excuses.
This is how oscar comes across:
I coached nearly perfectly, but not perfectly, so I can do better. However, if everyone else had done their job correctly or didn't suck (including my players) or hadn't screwed us over (schedule makers), I wouldn't have to have been perfect in my coaching.
He's completely oblivious to the fact that he is terrible at in-game strategy. He fouled The Flush out in the first half of a tournament game and it cost us the game. I've never heard him acknowledge the fact that he lost the UC-Irvine game by taking Barry out in the first half. He is always making decisions that put us at a disadvantage and he appears to be clueless to that fact.
Can't argue with that
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oscar lost in the 1st round in kansas sodding city as a 4 seed to la salle (?) with this roster:
JO
angel
spracs
shane
hot rod
gip
nino
martavious
I can't believe he won a conference title with that team. I honestly think that was his greatest accomplishment in his coaching career. There is absolutely no way Frank wins the Big 12 with that collection of players and he wouldn't have been expected to.
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Lol the guys on 810 are dragging oscar now calling him a soft whiny loser.
Those midday guys on 810 are legit stupid motherfuckers. I listened to them last week talk about oscar after the Tech game and they were so dumb I wanted to injure myself. It is very clear the host doesn't watch a lick of big 12 basketball. eff those clowns with a nightstick.
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oscar lost in the 1st round in kansas sodding city as a 4 seed to la salle (?) with this roster:
JO
angel
spracs
shane
hot rod
gip
nino
martavious
I can't believe he won a conference title with that team. I honestly think that was his greatest accomplishment in his coaching career. There is absolutely no way Frank wins the Big 12 with that collection of players and he wouldn't have been expected to.
I agree that Frank doesn't win the title with that team but I also don't think oscar wins the conference title without Frank having coached them for 3 years.
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Lol the guys on 810 are dragging oscar now calling him a soft whiny loser.
Those midday guys on 810 are legit stupid motherfuckers. I listened to them last week talk about oscar after the Tech game and they were so dumb I wanted to injure myself. It is very clear the host doesn't watch a lick of big 12 basketball. eff those clowns with a nightstick.
They do suck in general but I thoroughly enjoyed them spending 10 minutes talking about how oscar is a whiny bitch.
Ohhh, is the social media too negative? Why don't you try finishing better than 9th in the Big12 3 years in a row.
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I'll give him this, oscar was probably better than Gottlieb would've been
Have to be fair. This is true.
Who would have thought gE posters would make shitty heady coach hiring decisions.
It wasn't just gE and I don't think what ChiTown and KK are saying equates to a shitty coaching decision. He could have been amazing, he could have been a flame out or something in the middle, we'll never know.
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oscar lost in the 1st round in kansas sodding city as a 4 seed to la salle (?) with this roster:
JO
angel
spracs
shane
hot rod
gip
nino
martavious
I can't believe he won a conference title with that team. I honestly think that was his greatest accomplishment in his coaching career. There is absolutely no way Frank wins the Big 12 with that collection of players and he wouldn't have been expected to.
I agree that Frank doesn't win the title with that team but I also don't think oscar wins the conference title without Frank having coached them for 3 years.
I agree
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Yeah, Jason Anderson is a huge dork store. The other dude got fired from 610 when I was working there, for throwing a bobble head at his partners head for being pissed off at him off air and he broke the studio glass window. :lol:
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I'll give him this, oscar was probably better than Gottlieb would've been
Have to be fair. This is true.
Gottlieb would’ve had us loaded with recruits before moving on after a few years and we’d have found another one like him to keep recruiting and rolling the ball out.
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oscar lost in the 1st round in kansas sodding city as a 4 seed to la salle (?) with this roster:
JO
angel
spracs
shane
hot rod
gip
nino
martavious
I can't believe he won a conference title with that team. I honestly think that was his greatest accomplishment in his coaching career. There is absolutely no way Frank wins the Big 12 with that collection of players and he wouldn't have been expected to.
I agree that Frank doesn't win the title with that team but I also don't think oscar wins the conference title without Frank having coached them for 3 years.
Frank might not have had that team and instead had some addition by subtraction after Shannon Spradling’s mutiny.
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Grant McCasland or KT Turner fellas who will it be?
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Looking back the protest was really embarrassing. Wish I hadn't been a part of it, but i was young and angsty and horned up for k-state sports.
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Looking back the protest was really embarrassing. Wish I hadn't been a part of it, but i was young and angsty and horned up for k-state sports.
That passion fueled K-State basketball under Frank, it is absolutely a missing piece right now.
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Looking back the protest was really embarrassing. Wish I hadn't been a part of it, but i was young and angsty and horned up for k-state sports.
Comes with the territory at a university imo. NBD.
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I am willing to take any heat for anything I posted about oscar. I don't think I was unreasonable. I was pessimistic and unhappy with the hire from the start, but that doesn't make me responsible for any games we lost.
I believe oscar is good guy and we he wanted to win (and win in a way he felt was right), but there was a reason we was fired by Illinois and there was a reason we was effectively fired by KSU. He's not a victim here. He has earned millions upon millions of dollars, but his failures are his own.
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Looking back the protest was really embarrassing. Wish I hadn't been a part of it, but i was young and angsty and horned up for k-state sports.
That passion fueled K-State basketball under Frank, it is absolutely a missing piece right now.
Yep. Regardless of who we hire I can say with confidence I’ll pay way more attention to KSU basketball than I probably have in at least 5 years.
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oscar lost in the 1st round in kansas sodding city as a 4 seed to la salle (?) with this roster:
JO
angel
spracs
shane
hot rod
gip
nino
martavious
I can't believe he won a conference title with that team. I honestly think that was his greatest accomplishment in his coaching career. There is absolutely no way Frank wins the Big 12 with that collection of players and he wouldn't have been expected to.
yeah of course it was amazing. it had been 8 years since anybody besides Texas had even tied KU for the conference title. so yeah you needed to bring some talent to win it.
that said, the game referenced in my post is still absolutely infuriating. that should have been a party
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oscar lost in the 1st round in kansas sodding city as a 4 seed to la salle (?) with this roster:
JO
angel
spracs
shane
hot rod
gip
nino
martavious
I can't believe he won a conference title with that team. I honestly think that was his greatest accomplishment in his coaching career. There is absolutely no way Frank wins the Big 12 with that collection of players and he wouldn't have been expected to.
yeah of course it was amazing. it had been 8 years since anybody besides Texas had even tied KU for the conference title. so yeah you needed to bring some talent to win it.
that said, the game referenced in my post is still absolutely infuriating. that should have been a party
JO's minutes were ridiculous. He was dominating that game. The biggest difference between P5 and a mid-major is usually size and we wasted it.
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is it really that hard to imagine the collection of dudes in this gif winning the b12?
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-l6FFGB8ChFw/UOj1pHjuIyI/AAAAAAAABeQ/P3h1ZLxX5Bk/s355/GipShaneMuscle355.gif)
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Next?
(https://gobison.com/images/2019/10/7/Richman_David2.jpg?width=300)
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is it really that hard to imagine the collection of dudes in this gif winning the b12?
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-l6FFGB8ChFw/UOj1pHjuIyI/AAAAAAAABeQ/P3h1ZLxX5Bk/s355/GipShaneMuscle355.gif)
Uh yeah.
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Next?
(https://gobison.com/images/2019/10/7/Richman_David2.jpg?width=300)
He's actually a decent coach but wouldn't exactly move the needle.
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is it really that hard to imagine the collection of dudes in this gif winning the b12?
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-l6FFGB8ChFw/UOj1pHjuIyI/AAAAAAAABeQ/P3h1ZLxX5Bk/s355/GipShaneMuscle355.gif)
Not a whole lot of elite but a bunch of guys who knew their roles and played hard. They were consistent enough to beat the bottom of the conference every time out which made the LaSalle loss that much stranger.
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is it really that hard to imagine the collection of dudes in this gif winning the b12?
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-l6FFGB8ChFw/UOj1pHjuIyI/AAAAAAAABeQ/P3h1ZLxX5Bk/s355/GipShaneMuscle355.gif)
man those were some good bbs'ing days. every game spawned a new rich new layers of memes etc that would be enjoyed for weeks.
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I’m fine with whomever at this point
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I’m fine with whomever at this point
same
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(https://c.tenor.com/rwdOoN44fZgAAAAC/well-bye.gif)
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He just dragged gE! :lol:
Question: "Do you ever feel like you didn't get a fair shake from day 1 by some of the fans"
Coach: "There was definitely a pocket of fans that didn't want me here from day 1. They protested when I arrived and wanted Doug Gottlieb or something crazy like that. K-State is a really great place, but I feel this pocket of fans are hurting K-State more than they're helping them". :love: :love:
dang...
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/1501979047542374401?s=20&t=spmGnkhrLcLJ2t6GFtN2aw
LOOOOL
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Really, stevesie and everyone should put on the headbands and go pak in the parking lot right now.
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3/10/2022 Update - oscar WEBER IS FIRED
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You eff with blog and 10 years and millions and millions of dollars later you will regret it!!!!!
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It was touch and go there for a while but the blog outlasted oscar
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I’m fine with whomever at this point
But what if it’s Brad?!?!?
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Which Brad?
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Which Brad?
Not Korn.
No offense to Korn.
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I stand with CK. Lots of nice tributes to the oscar from past and current player on twitter today.
https://twitter.com/CooleyKellz7/status/1502024862403117062?s=20&t=spmGnkhrLcLJ2t6GFtN2aw
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i cant remember was gottlieb ever even an assistant or was he just a talking head
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i cant remember was gottlieb ever even an assistant or was he just a talking head
Talking head - it was a wild ass idea
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i cant remember was gottlieb ever even an assistant or was he just a talking head
No, just an announcer that everyone adored (before being MAGA was a thing), who had recruiting connections through his brother, and his dad had coaching ties with K-State.
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:horrorsurprise:
https://twitter.com/Jpullz0/status/1502036837921087489?s=20&t=lTMlq9wVvFYjS1dAzoEPRA
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:horrorsurprise:
https://twitter.com/Jpullz0/status/1502036837921087489?s=20&t=lTMlq9wVvFYjS1dAzoEPRA
What say ye cats?
https://twitter.com/Jpullz0/status/1502037325534138373?s=20&t=yp2hVv6aEofWaZmFoQQGTQ
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i cant remember was gottlieb ever even an assistant or was he just a talking head
No, just an announcer that everyone adored (before being MAGA was a thing), who had recruiting connections through his brother, and his dad had coaching ties with K-State.
he became maga too? yikes
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:horrorsurprise:
https://twitter.com/Jpullz0/status/1502036837921087489?s=20&t=lTMlq9wVvFYjS1dAzoEPRA
What say ye cats?
https://twitter.com/Jpullz0/status/1502037325534138373?s=20&t=yp2hVv6aEofWaZmFoQQGTQ
Yes he can stay on Brad’s bench
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I'd be fine with Shane, but only after being rejected publicly by a couple of big names.
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i cant remember was gottlieb ever even an assistant or was he just a talking head
No, just an announcer that everyone adored (before being MAGA was a thing), who had recruiting connections through his brother, and his dad had coaching ties with K-State.
he became maga too? yikes
Yeah, a lot of his recent Twitter takes wouldn’t have aged well for the many on here wanting him. That’s the funniest thing about time.
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I'd be fine with Shane, but only after being rejected publicly by a couple of big names.
:lol: :lol:
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i cant remember was gottlieb ever even an assistant or was he just a talking head
No, just an announcer that everyone adored (before being MAGA was a thing), who had recruiting connections through his brother, and his dad had coaching ties with K-State.
he became maga too? yikes
And he lost a free throw bet to my buddy and ran off before paying the 1k.
But 2012 Doug was a fresh face former player who announced big12 games for ESPN and helped popularize the OOD nickname.
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Yes! Most importantly, he mumped my guy Ben Ji, too!
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Looking back the protest was really embarrassing. Wish I hadn't been a part of it, but i was young and angsty and horned up for k-state sports.
agreed BUT breaking the sink was an all-time great moment of emaw bbs'n history :emawkid:
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i cant remember was gottlieb ever even an assistant or was he just a talking head
No, just an announcer that everyone adored (before being MAGA was a thing), who had recruiting connections through his brother, and his dad had coaching ties with K-State.
he became maga too? yikes
And he lost a free throw bet to my buddy and ran off before paying the 1k.
But 2012 Doug was a fresh face former player who announced big12 games for ESPN and helped popularize the OOD nickname.
KSU or the lack thereof really mumped him up.
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Looking back the protest was really embarrassing. Wish I hadn't been a part of it, but i was young and angsty and horned up for k-state sports.
it was not supposed to be a protest of oscar's hiring, I had announced we were having a rally for Doug a few days before and Currie announced the hire/press conference at the same day/time. I think the "protest" was funny and it was understandable because it came on the back of that horrific press conference with currie where he talked about the Dillon's receipt etc. It was not about oscar at all.
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I'm gonna miss oscar, but it was time for him to go. Liked his presser last night. You naysayers can cram it.
I agree
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Looking back the protest was really embarrassing. Wish I hadn't been a part of it, but i was young and angsty and horned up for k-state sports.
it was not supposed to be a protest of oscar's hiring, I had announced we were having a rally for Doug a few days before and Currie announced the hire/press conference at the same day/time. I think the "protest" was funny and it was understandable because it came on the back of that horrific press conference with currie where he talked about the Dillon's receipt etc. It was not about oscar at all.
yeah it wasn't supposed to be but it obvs turned into that in terms of outside perception
whatever, crap was weird/funny/kinda stupid in hindsight, it happens
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Looking back the protest was really embarrassing. Wish I hadn't been a part of it, but i was young and angsty and horned up for k-state sports.
it was not supposed to be a protest of oscar's hiring, I had announced we were having a rally for Doug a few days before and Currie announced the hire/press conference at the same day/time. I think the "protest" was funny and it was understandable because it came on the back of that horrific press conference with currie where he talked about the Dillon's receipt etc. It was not about oscar at all.
yeah it wasn't supposed to be but it obvs turned into that in terms of outside perception
whatever, crap was weird/funny/kinda stupid in hindsight, it happens
I didn’t have time to bring a grill but I think we had hot dogs, lighter fluid and charcoal.
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Looking back the protest was really embarrassing. Wish I hadn't been a part of it, but i was young and angsty and horned up for k-state sports.
it was not supposed to be a protest of oscar's hiring, I had announced we were having a rally for Doug a few days before and Currie announced the hire/press conference at the same day/time. I think the "protest" was funny and it was understandable because it came on the back of that horrific press conference with currie where he talked about the Dillon's receipt etc. It was not about oscar at all.
yeah it wasn't supposed to be but it obvs turned into that in terms of outside perception
whatever, crap was weird/funny/kinda stupid in hindsight, it happens
I didn’t have time to bring a grill but I think we had hot dogs, lighter fluid and charcoal.
Bringing everything but the grill is a common mistake throughout the history of gE.
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:horrorsurprise:
https://twitter.com/Jpullz0/status/1502036837921087489?s=20&t=lTMlq9wVvFYjS1dAzoEPRA
What say ye cats?
https://twitter.com/Jpullz0/status/1502037325534138373?s=20&t=yp2hVv6aEofWaZmFoQQGTQ
I will go on the record as saying that I really, really enjoyed the days when bramlage had good reason to be called the OOD. And i liked when our players were JYCs. Shane was a JYC, so I feel like he could make a team of JYCs.
I'm trying to think critically here and ask myself, "if we got back to the OOD, and our players were JYCs, would i care if we didn't make the tourney most of the time?" and i feel like the answer is yes i would care, but it would bother me a lot less because i at least enjoy the gameday atmosphere and the style of play.
Although to be fair...the only reason it was the OOD was because the on-court results were there. If we sucked and never made the tournament then the excitement would have tempered accordingly. So, aside from the first season maybe 2, the team would probably have to be showing signs of improvement or else the fans will not maintain the level of excitement worthy of the OOD moniker.
What i'm saying is, I stan as long as his guys are scrappy mfrs
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:horrorsurprise:
https://twitter.com/Jpullz0/status/1502036837921087489?s=20&t=lTMlq9wVvFYjS1dAzoEPRA
What say ye cats?
https://twitter.com/Jpullz0/status/1502037325534138373?s=20&t=yp2hVv6aEofWaZmFoQQGTQ
I will go on the record as saying that I really, really enjoyed the days when bramlage had good reason to be called the OOD. And i liked when our players were JYCs. Shane was a JYC, so I feel like he could make a team of JYCs.
I'm trying to think critically here and ask myself, "if we got back to the OOD, and our players were JYCs, would i care if we didn't make the tourney most of the time?" and i feel like the answer is yes i would care, but it would bother me a lot less because i at least enjoy the gameday atmosphere and the style of play.
Although to be fair...the only reason it was the OOD was because the on-court results were there. If we sucked and never made the tournament then the excitement would have tempered accordingly. So, aside from the first season maybe 2, the team would probably have to be showing signs of improvement or else the fans will not maintain the level of excitement worthy of the OOD moniker.
What i'm saying is, I stan as long as his guys are scrappy mfrs
Of course we do, build-a-culture Jake.
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is it really that hard to imagine the collection of dudes in this gif winning the b12?
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-l6FFGB8ChFw/UOj1pHjuIyI/AAAAAAAABeQ/P3h1ZLxX5Bk/s355/GipShaneMuscle355.gif)
man those were some good bbs'ing days. every game spawned a new rich new layers of memes etc that would be enjoyed for weeks.
Nah, the board was already dying. It peaked during trash can gate, it never recovered from March 31, 2012. We threw all of our eggs into the oscar Weber was going to fail basket. We lost posters right away you who couldn't handle the torrent of negativity and being called Nazis. oscar winning the Big 12, then losing in the first round just cemented the divide. The next 5 years was a slow bleed due to apathy.
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Yup! At least we had Pig Aggie trolling before everyone left.
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Lol at trash can gate. IIRC it was Wacky who broke the news on gE like 45 minutes before the game because he "heard it from some suits" and everyone was like WTF does some suits mean and Wacky was like "Someone who is really important, duh"
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Lol at trash can gate. IIRC it was Wacky who broke the news on gE like 45 minutes before the game because he "heard it from some suits" and everyone was like WTF does some suits mean and Wacky was like "Someone who is really important, duh"
That was amazing.
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Lol at trash can gate. IIRC it was Wacky who broke the news on gE like 45 minutes before the game because he "heard it from some suits" and everyone was like WTF does some suits mean and Wacky was like "Someone who is really important, duh"
No, he heard about Jamar being suspended against Syracuse, trash can gate was before that, it was also broken here too by i believe either bsac or capt crap
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There should really be a 30 for 30 about those two weeks in March for Kansas State basketball. it's the 10 year anniversary after all. There was so damn much going on.
The trash can
Wacky in Pittsburgh
Frank in the CBS studio while plotting his exit
Will and Shannon Spradling
The Dallas hotel room
The search firm
The meltdown about Steve Alford before oscar v. Doug
gE being media darlings
The sink in Bramlage
Will Angel stay or go
I'm sure I'm forgetting stuff
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There should really be a 30 for 30 about those two weeks in March for Kansas State basketball. it's the 10 year anniversary after all. There was so damn much going on.
The trash can
Wacky in Pittsburgh
Frank in the CBS studio while plotting his exit
Will and Shannon Spradling
The Dallas hotel room
The search firm
The meltdown about Steve Alford before oscar v. Doug
gE being media darlings
The sink in Bramlage
Will Angel stay or go
I'm sure I'm forgetting stuff
:love:
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I'd be fine with Shane, but only after being rejected publicly by a couple of big names.
yep. Hard not to like him.
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Lol at trash can gate. IIRC it was Wacky who broke the news on gE like 45 minutes before the game because he "heard it from some suits" and everyone was like WTF does some suits mean and Wacky was like "Someone who is really important, duh"
No, he heard about Jamar being suspended against Syracuse, trash can gate was before that, it was also broken here too by i believe either bsac or capt crap
I had forgotten about capt crap. He needs to pop back in to drop some nuggets about his time in the AD (or whatever his position was)
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I'd be fine with Shane, but only after being rejected publicly by a couple of big names.
yep. Hard not to like him.
What recruits do you think we’d get without him right now?
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I'd love for Shane to get the job, but I'd love to hear from the people who would be fine with getting the job but thinks/thought the Gottlieb hire is any different. Maybe people are forgetting how close Gottlieb was to the Big 12 basketball and to the K-State program.
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Shane has assistant coaching experience.
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I'd love for Shane to get the job, but I'd love to hear from the people who would be fine with getting the job but thinks/thought the Gottlieb hire is any different. Maybe people are forgetting how close Gottlieb was to the Big 12 basketball and to the K-State program.
Gottlieb would have been a disaster and so would Shane at age 30. I definitely think he will get a head coaching job soon though similar to Kim English.
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Shane has assistant coaching experience.
Believe me when I tell you that Gottlieb having grown up with college basketball coaches for a father and siblings and literally spending the entire college basketball season for a decade sitting with Big 12 coaches is just as relevant as Shane spending a year as a grad assistant and two years as the Director of Student Athlete Development.
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People acting like Doug was a joke at the time are being dishonest.
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People acting like Doug was a joke at the time are being dishonest.
not as dishonest as your part owner, who rough ridin' hates the school we root for. :dunno:
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Yeah, I think Doug rightfully being recognized as significantly "less cool" over the past decade has negatively skewed memories his actual attractiveness as a HC candidate during that time.
He had everything, aside from experience, that you'd want.
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People acting like Doug was a joke at the time are being dishonest.
not as dishonest as your part owner, who rough ridin' hates the school we root for. :dunno:
I think he is honest but can be an bad person, there is a difference. I don’t think getting upset about him is probably going to change anything.
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People acting like Doug was a joke at the time are being dishonest.
not as dishonest as your part owner, who rough ridin' hates the school we root for. :dunno:
I think he is honest but can be an bad person, there is a difference. I don’t think getting upset about him is probably going to change anything.
I don’t see how it helps at all tho. I’m absolutely guilty with this, but just annoyed. Dude doesn’t gaf and he gets a pass.
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I'd be down with Shane but that's not happening.
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shane would be shitty and I love shane
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irl current qannon maga doug gottlieb would be better and I do not like him but it's a convenient point of reference
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ya i want to empathize but he makes it so hard. he drug every coach we’ve had since kruger out the door with him in a way that only oscar can
His point was, no one won a goddamn conference title since he got there, and nobody was named Grade A1 villain from the first day they were hired at K-State either since ‘77.
when he was crying about how none of those other coaches couldn’t do what he did in winning B12’s, he should have also included coaching the team to a place statistically, that was lower than anything those other coaches could, despite how hard they tried
typical oscar, take the adulation, ignore/displace any criticism
It was his farewell speech. You gonna talk about your lows on your death bed?
Talk about your highs but don't drag old coaches with you. Hell I half expected him to mention his B12's versus old balls.
He was crap on from day 1 by our psycho fan base and never got the opportunity to be liked, like the others. I appreciate his mic drop on the way out. He's 100% accurate on all accounts.
Isn't his ability to be liked directly tied to him?
Come on man. Some of you guys complaining about that press conference are doing a little bit of performative theatre with the oscar Weber era. Yeah, he and he alone are responsible for the on court results, but literally from the start there were significant parts of this fan base that never gave him a chance. We, literally we, goEMAW picketed his press conference. A poster on this board broke a sink at Bramlage during said press conference. The first year he was here, a year in which he won a conference championship, he went down to Texas and beat UT down there, his reward, he got heckled during his post game interview, after a goddamn win. There are so many of these things that I could go on and on about. Do you think he didn't know this crap was happening? Do you think that he should have just been able to compartmentalize that swaths of the fan base never accepted him, only because he followed Frank Martin and he was hired by John Currie? This was a highly unusual situation from the start, and you're fooling yourself if you even hint that he was given a level playing field when he started here.
I called for him to be fired a couple of times and even given retrospect I still think he should have been fired after he lost nearly that entire team with Foster, and I think the team grossly underperformed during Dean, Barry, and Cam's sophomore year. I was clearly wrong and I'll own that.
I don't have the energy or the memory to contest any of this. Could be right on target but let's just reflect on the last 24 hours and how many people oscar has dragged after his own team's performance down the stretch this year and past few years. I mean really gE is the reason you couldn't be liked? I seem to remember back in the days you mention he had multiple comments where he couldn't help but take 0 blame and turn it to his team but like I said I don't have the energy to remember for sure. He didn't simply come in hated and win a championship and remain hated because of social media. I mean.
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We do irl wield this power. Next coach be warned. Be ye friend or fo!?
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oscar is such a rough ridin' sad loser though irl (not basketball record related, but obviously that as well the majority of the time unfortunately)
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This article is about oscar vs. seff and attempts to contrast seff’s restrained statement with the other coaches’ supposedly glowing remarks, including Huggins’.
https://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article259280034.html
“He’s always been a hard-working, good guy. ... He’s had a great, great career. Some of us aren’t blessed to have walked into ready-made programs. And I think oscar is one of those guys,” West Virginia’s Bob Huggins said.
Does the writer think that huggins was saying that oscar ISN’T a guy that walked into ready-made programs? Is that what huggins said/meant and was he joking/drunk? Did he actually mean exactly what it says, that huggins and others had to build programs from scratch while oscar didn’t and the writer completely whiffed?
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Given the quote as is, I think Huggins is comparing a non-ready made program like Kansas State against like a blue blood program or a place that's super easy to recruit to.
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not sure
he walked into an Illinois job and K-State job that were cruising
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Hugs is saying Frank had the program in great shape when oscar inherited it
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I may be reading too much into this but it feels like the mainstream media is taking shots at gE:
https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/1502290464661192709?s=20&t=S2361EQFU4xtI6DIMvmsMQ
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It's really disappointing since we would/have never take shots at the media
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sure we all laughed when DQ_12 does his STUDS and DUDS, but we had to know our uppance was coming.
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Giving nicknames to arenas really makes people stand up and take notice of you I guess.
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Looking back the protest was really embarrassing. Wish I hadn't been a part of it, but i was young and angsty and horned up for k-state sports.
it was not supposed to be a protest of oscar's hiring, I had announced we were having a rally for Doug a few days before and Currie announced the hire/press conference at the same day/time. I think the "protest" was funny and it was understandable because it came on the back of that horrific press conference with currie where he talked about the Dillon's receipt etc. It was not about oscar at all.
maybe not originally, but come on. it eventually became quite a bit about oscar.
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oscar being a giant loser was just a coincidence. Obviously it made the stance that Currie was a giant loser even more solid, as if it needed any additional data points.
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oscar blaming social media after a 10 year old job and that it wasn't that bad at other jobs is pretty hilarious honestly.
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oscar blaming social media after a 10 year old job and that it wasn't that bad at other jobs is pretty hilarious honestly.
It’s incredible absurdity. And it seemed like he was saying it dead seriously. lmao
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Given the quote as is, I think Huggins is comparing a non-ready made program like Kansas State against like a blue blood program or a place that's super easy to recruit to.
Like huggins thinks oscar is kindred and that neither of them got to walk into ready-made programs?
Pulled from wikipedia:
Huggins:
Huggins was only 27 when he became a collegiate head coach at Walsh University in 1980. In three seasons at Walsh, he compiled a 71–26 record, twice earning NAIA District 22 Coach of the Year honors. Huggins directed the Walsh 1982–83 team to a perfect 30–0 regular season mark and an eventual 34–1 mark. After serving as an assistant at University of Central Florida for the 1983–84 season, Huggins was named head coach of the University of Akron. Huggins compiled a 97–46 record and reached post-season play in three of his five seasons at Akron, including an NCAA bid in 1985–86 season.
Cincinnati, while having a rich history, had fallen on hard times. Cincinnati appeared in 5 consecutive Final Fours from 1959 to 1963—and won the national championship in 1961 and 1962. By 1989, when Huggins was hired, though, the Bearcats had not earned a bid to the NCAA tournament since 1977. Even worse, Cincinnati had only one winning conference record in those 12 previous seasons. The Bearcats were invited to the NIT his first two years and then advanced all the way to the Final Four of the NCAA tournament in 1992, Huggins' third season as coach.
After spending a year out of the coaching profession, on March 23, 2006, Huggins accepted the head coaching job at Kansas State University,[14] replacing the fired Jim Wooldridge. The Wildcats had not been to the NCAA tournament since the 1995–1996 campaign and had not had a conference record better than 7–9 since the Big 12 Conference was formed in 1996. The previous three Kansas State basketball coaches (Dana Altman, Tom Asbury, and Wooldridge) had combined for a 236–232 (.504) record. In his sole season at Kansas State, Huggins coached the Wildcats to a 23–12 overall record, and a 10–6 Big 12 record. The Wildcats were not invited to the NCAA tournament but accepted an NIT bid and won one game.
On April 5, 2007, Huggins announced that he had accepted the position of head coach at his alma mater, West Virginia University. Huggins succeeded John Beilein who left to fill the same position with the Michigan Wolverines. Only nine games into the 2007–2008 season, the Mountaineers entered the AP Top 25 poll carrying a #24 ranking with an 8–1 record.
oscar:
In his five seasons at Southern Illinois, Weber led the Salukis to consecutive Missouri Valley Conference championships and NCAA tournament appearances in 2002 and 2003, including a Sweet Sixteen finish in 2002.
On April 30, 2003, Weber was hired by Illinois to replace Bill Self, who had departed from Illinois to take the head coaching job at Kansas.
On March 31, 2012, Weber was hired as head coach at Kansas State University, replacing Frank Martin, who had departed to become head coach at South Carolina.[1]
Not really much about "ready-made" in any excerpts, but lots of points made about the shittiness of the situations huggins entered, while we know the shape illinois and KSU were in when oscar entered.
If earnest, a reach by huggins.
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Looking back the protest was really embarrassing. Wish I hadn't been a part of it, but i was young and angsty and horned up for k-state sports.
it was not supposed to be a protest of oscar's hiring, I had announced we were having a rally for Doug a few days before and Currie announced the hire/press conference at the same day/time. I think the "protest" was funny and it was understandable because it came on the back of that horrific press conference with currie where he talked about the Dillon's receipt etc. It was not about oscar at all.
maybe not originally, but come on. it eventually became quite a bit about oscar.
Of course everyone was pissed we hired someone who just got fired, but the order of how that all happened should make it clear that people were primed to be pissed at Currie almost no matter what, the fact that oscar was thrown in to the fire that day was much more about Currie than oscar. Currie is the one that hired him!
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Looking back the protest was really embarrassing. Wish I hadn't been a part of it, but i was young and angsty and horned up for k-state sports.
it was not supposed to be a protest of oscar's hiring, I had announced we were having a rally for Doug a few days before and Currie announced the hire/press conference at the same day/time. I think the "protest" was funny and it was understandable because it came on the back of that horrific press conference with currie where he talked about the Dillon's receipt etc. It was not about oscar at all.
maybe not originally, but come on. it eventually became quite a bit about oscar.
Of course everyone was pissed we hired someone who just got fired, but the order of how that all happened should make it clear that people were primed to be pissed at Currie almost no matter what, the fact that oscar was thrown in to the fire that day was much more about Currie than oscar. Currie is the one that hired him!
we wanted our meme guy (who may have worked out, who knows), and when we didn't get our way we threw a tantrum. it was an emotional time.
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Given the quote as is, I think Huggins is comparing a non-ready made program like Kansas State against like a blue blood program or a place that's super easy to recruit to.
Like huggins thinks oscar is kindred and that neither of them got to walk into ready-made programs?
Yeah. The context is him saying nice things about oscar. I'm not reading this much into it, but one could also take him to be kinda siding with Weber over someone like Self at a ready made program like Kansas.
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Looking back the protest was really embarrassing. Wish I hadn't been a part of it, but i was young and angsty and horned up for k-state sports.
it was not supposed to be a protest of oscar's hiring, I had announced we were having a rally for Doug a few days before and Currie announced the hire/press conference at the same day/time. I think the "protest" was funny and it was understandable because it came on the back of that horrific press conference with currie where he talked about the Dillon's receipt etc. It was not about oscar at all.
maybe not originally, but come on. it eventually became quite a bit about oscar.
Of course everyone was pissed we hired someone who just got fired, but the order of how that all happened should make it clear that people were primed to be pissed at Currie almost no matter what, the fact that oscar was thrown in to the fire that day was much more about Currie than oscar. Currie is the one that hired him!
we wanted our meme guy (who may have worked out, who knows), and when we didn't get our way we threw a tantrum. it was an emotional time.
He very much lost that press conference as well, he became that meme five minutes into his tenure, total disaster.
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Looking back the protest was really embarrassing. Wish I hadn't been a part of it, but i was young and angsty and horned up for k-state sports.
it was not supposed to be a protest of oscar's hiring, I had announced we were having a rally for Doug a few days before and Currie announced the hire/press conference at the same day/time. I think the "protest" was funny and it was understandable because it came on the back of that horrific press conference with currie where he talked about the Dillon's receipt etc. It was not about oscar at all.
maybe not originally, but come on. it eventually became quite a bit about oscar.
Of course everyone was pissed we hired someone who just got fired, but the order of how that all happened should make it clear that people were primed to be pissed at Currie almost no matter what, the fact that oscar was thrown in to the fire that day was much more about Currie than oscar. Currie is the one that hired him!
we wanted our meme guy (who may have worked out, who knows), and when we didn't get our way we threw a tantrum. it was an emotional time.
I am 36 with 3 kids and would not do a number of things that I did then, but being embarrassed about it or apologizing for it is pathetic. We were the fuel that powered the engine of the OOD. I will never apologize for that. The athletic department works for us, not the other way around and if more people had that intensity and mentality (and I obviously lost it) then we'd be a lot better off.
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Looking back the protest was really embarrassing. Wish I hadn't been a part of it, but i was young and angsty and horned up for k-state sports.
it was not supposed to be a protest of oscar's hiring, I had announced we were having a rally for Doug a few days before and Currie announced the hire/press conference at the same day/time. I think the "protest" was funny and it was understandable because it came on the back of that horrific press conference with currie where he talked about the Dillon's receipt etc. It was not about oscar at all.
maybe not originally, but come on. it eventually became quite a bit about oscar.
Of course everyone was pissed we hired someone who just got fired, but the order of how that all happened should make it clear that people were primed to be pissed at Currie almost no matter what, the fact that oscar was thrown in to the fire that day was much more about Currie than oscar. Currie is the one that hired him!
we wanted our meme guy (who may have worked out, who knows), and when we didn't get our way we threw a tantrum. it was an emotional time.
He very much lost that press conference as well, he became that meme five minutes into his tenure, total disaster.
yes, he mangled every name.
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Looking back the protest was really embarrassing. Wish I hadn't been a part of it, but i was young and angsty and horned up for k-state sports.
it was not supposed to be a protest of oscar's hiring, I had announced we were having a rally for Doug a few days before and Currie announced the hire/press conference at the same day/time. I think the "protest" was funny and it was understandable because it came on the back of that horrific press conference with currie where he talked about the Dillon's receipt etc. It was not about oscar at all.
maybe not originally, but come on. it eventually became quite a bit about oscar.
Of course everyone was pissed we hired someone who just got fired, but the order of how that all happened should make it clear that people were primed to be pissed at Currie almost no matter what, the fact that oscar was thrown in to the fire that day was much more about Currie than oscar. Currie is the one that hired him!
we wanted our meme guy (who may have worked out, who knows), and when we didn't get our way we threw a tantrum. it was an emotional time.
I am 36 with 3 kids and would not do a number of things that I did then, but being embarrassed about it or apologizing for it is pathetic. We were the fuel that powered the engine of the OOD. I will never apologize for that. The athletic department works for us, not the other way around and if more people had that intensity and mentality (and I obviously lost it) then we'd be a lot better off.
(https://miro.medium.com/max/1200/1*XSfm-ZTq_m10hFQ9K161FA.jpeg)
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Looking back the protest was really embarrassing. Wish I hadn't been a part of it, but i was young and angsty and horned up for k-state sports.
it was not supposed to be a protest of oscar's hiring, I had announced we were having a rally for Doug a few days before and Currie announced the hire/press conference at the same day/time. I think the "protest" was funny and it was understandable because it came on the back of that horrific press conference with currie where he talked about the Dillon's receipt etc. It was not about oscar at all.
maybe not originally, but come on. it eventually became quite a bit about oscar.
Of course everyone was pissed we hired someone who just got fired, but the order of how that all happened should make it clear that people were primed to be pissed at Currie almost no matter what, the fact that oscar was thrown in to the fire that day was much more about Currie than oscar. Currie is the one that hired him!
we wanted our meme guy (who may have worked out, who knows), and when we didn't get our way we threw a tantrum. it was an emotional time.
I am 36 with 3 kids and would not do a number of things that I did then, but being embarrassed about it or apologizing for it is pathetic. We were the fuel that powered the engine of the OOD. I will never apologize for that. The athletic department works for us, not the other way around and if more people had that intensity and mentality (and I obviously lost it) then we'd be a lot better off.
i don't think being embarrassed about showing up to a oscar weber/john currie protest is pathetic. nor am i apologizing for the passion that gE/_fans had, generally speaking.
also you're only 36? wtf?
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Looking back the protest was really embarrassing. Wish I hadn't been a part of it, but i was young and angsty and horned up for k-state sports.
it was not supposed to be a protest of oscar's hiring, I had announced we were having a rally for Doug a few days before and Currie announced the hire/press conference at the same day/time. I think the "protest" was funny and it was understandable because it came on the back of that horrific press conference with currie where he talked about the Dillon's receipt etc. It was not about oscar at all.
maybe not originally, but come on. it eventually became quite a bit about oscar.
Of course everyone was pissed we hired someone who just got fired, but the order of how that all happened should make it clear that people were primed to be pissed at Currie almost no matter what, the fact that oscar was thrown in to the fire that day was much more about Currie than oscar. Currie is the one that hired him!
we wanted our meme guy (who may have worked out, who knows), and when we didn't get our way we threw a tantrum. it was an emotional time.
I am 36 with 3 kids and would not do a number of things that I did then, but being embarrassed about it or apologizing for it is pathetic. We were the fuel that powered the engine of the OOD. I will never apologize for that. The athletic department works for us, not the other way around and if more people had that intensity and mentality (and I obviously lost it) then we'd be a lot better off.
like
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Looking back the protest was really embarrassing. Wish I hadn't been a part of it, but i was young and angsty and horned up for k-state sports.
it was not supposed to be a protest of oscar's hiring, I had announced we were having a rally for Doug a few days before and Currie announced the hire/press conference at the same day/time. I think the "protest" was funny and it was understandable because it came on the back of that horrific press conference with currie where he talked about the Dillon's receipt etc. It was not about oscar at all.
maybe not originally, but come on. it eventually became quite a bit about oscar.
Of course everyone was pissed we hired someone who just got fired, but the order of how that all happened should make it clear that people were primed to be pissed at Currie almost no matter what, the fact that oscar was thrown in to the fire that day was much more about Currie than oscar. Currie is the one that hired him!
we wanted our meme guy (who may have worked out, who knows), and when we didn't get our way we threw a tantrum. it was an emotional time.
I am 36 with 3 kids and would not do a number of things that I did then, but being embarrassed about it or apologizing for it is pathetic. We were the fuel that powered the engine of the OOD. I will never apologize for that. The athletic department works for us, not the other way around and if more people had that intensity and mentality (and I obviously lost it) then we'd be a lot better off.
i don't think being embarrassed about showing up to a oscar weber/john currie protest is pathetic. nor am i apologizing for the passion that gE/_fans had, generally speaking.
also you're only 36? wtf?
ouch
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Given the quote as is, I think Huggins is comparing a non-ready made program like Kansas State against like a blue blood program or a place that's super easy to recruit to.
Like huggins thinks oscar is kindred and that neither of them got to walk into ready-made programs?
Yeah. The context is him saying nice things about oscar. I'm not reading this much into it, but one could also take him to be kinda siding with Weber over someone like Self at a ready made program like Kansas.
:thumbs: Yeah, that would make sense if instead of saying a generic thing about oscar like the others did, that he thought he could take a side swipe at his own competitors in the process. Still, lol at that angle given oscar’s last 2 entry/exit positions.
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Speaking of Bob man how much sitting close to the tunnel at the Big 12 watching him lumber in/out and get tossed made me miss him!
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Agree. We have two data points in a row (a “trend”), that show that oscar cannot sustain a program at the level he inherited, and left both worse than the way he found them.
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Also, the high and mighty “clean program” thing just sounds like a fat ugly dude bragging about his pious chastity.
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eff, I doubt even Sketchers would hook their wagon up to oscar.
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Agree. We have two data points in a row (a “trend”), that show that oscar cannot sustain a program at the level he inherited, and left both worse than the way he found them.
This is ridiculous.
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Yea that’s crazy he won a ship 7 years into a 10 year stint
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ouch
i know that sounded insulting. i just thought you were a few years older. probably because you have a bunch of non-baby kids.
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Can we change the name of Kat Kid to Krusty Kat or something similarly old sounding?
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Also, the high and mighty “clean program” thing just sounds like a fat ugly dude bragging about his pious chastity.
he's the guy that will call a charge in a pick up game.
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ouch
i know that sounded insulting. i just thought you were a few years older. probably because you have a bunch of non-baby kids.
a fun thing about kk and mrs. kk is they basically got married when they were in like 8th grade