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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: pissclams on January 31, 2012, 10:02:17 PM
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what an idiot. :flush:
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Was thinking that all thru the timeout.. but thought they might keep it out of his hands till late in the clock. dumb!
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You dudes realize the game was tied, right?
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That's why he's not a smart person. There was no course of action. It's not like there was any doubt that Royce was going to hit the game winner if we don't hack him.
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Explain "no" here? Worst FT shooter in the building, on the road, etc. That scenario leaves you a chance for a win. What they did left just enough time for heartbreak. Franked again.
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You dudes realize the game was tied, right?
you realize royce white can't shoot a free throw to save his life, and yet can score at will off the dribble, right? and at least putting him on the line with 20 seconds left would have ensured us a possession, right?
rough ridin' football fans. :flush:
and while we're at it, lets discuss frank's strategy of picking up royce white at half court. that made a ton of sense considering his outside shooting prowess.
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This debate will clearly define our HBBIQ'rs IMO
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You dudes realize the game was tied, right?
Do you realize it wasn't the double bonus? No way he hits both...and if he does you still have time for a 3 ball or the tie. That is absolutely the right decision.
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Very simple. White gets ball, Diaz to hack him... worst scenario he hits both, and we have 15 seconds to run a play. As it was, it was obvious what was going to happen, yet we send no one to help even as the clock winds down and he drives. Terrible coaching and execution. Plus for all the "toughness" everyone talks about, I'm not seeing a lot of it from this team right now.
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This debate will clearly define our HBBIQ'rs IMO
There is no debate
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Don't give me conventional basketball wisdom. When's the last time that won K-State a game. You hack the crap out of the 50% free throw shooter and take the ball down with some time.
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You dudes realize the game was tied, right?
you realize royce white can't shoot a free throw to save his life, and yet can score at will off the dribble, right? and at least putting him on the line with 20 seconds left would have ensured us a possession, right?
rough ridin' football fans. :flush:
and while we're at it, lets discuss frank's strategy of picking up royce white at half court. that made a ton of sense considering his outside shooting prowess.
Royce White wasn't going to miss any shot he took in bounds on that last possession.
What we really should have done, was grab the rough ridin' rebound and call timeout
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I would've fouled. What do you have to lose? With Angel on the bench there was no way we're winning in overtime. Take the chance that White only hits one and you hit a shot to win it. We're KSU. You knew White was going to hit the shot if given the chance.
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You dudes realize the game was tied, right?
you realize royce white can't shoot a free throw to save his life, and yet can score at will off the dribble, right? and at least putting him on the line with 20 seconds left would have ensured us a possession, right?
rough ridin' football fans. :flush:
and while we're at it, lets discuss frank's strategy of picking up royce white at half court. that made a ton of sense considering his outside shooting prowess.
he shoots 50%, meaning odds are he would make one of two.
which dipshit would you then want going for the win, dumbass?
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So far SF has most clearly defined himself
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they won a game less than a week ago
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Don't give me conventional basketball wisdom. When's the last time that won K-State a game. You hack the crap out of the 50% free throw shooter and take the ball down with some time.
This is so dumb
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he shoots 50%, meaning odds are he would make one of two.
which dipshit would you then want going for the win, dumbass?
angel
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You dudes realize the game was tied, right?
you realize royce white can't shoot a free throw to save his life, and yet can score at will off the dribble, right? and at least putting him on the line with 20 seconds left would have ensured us a possession, right?
rough ridin' football fans. :flush:
and while we're at it, lets discuss frank's strategy of picking up royce white at half court. that made a ton of sense considering his outside shooting prowess.
he shoots 50%, meaning odds are he would make one of two.
which dipshit would you then want going for the win, dumbass?
would a shot to win the game be better than none at all? because that's what the strategy frank employed got us. rough ridin' idiot.
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Should have fouled.
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Don't give me conventional basketball wisdom. When's the last time that won K-State a game. You hack the crap out of the 50% free throw shooter and take the ball down with some time.
This is so dumb
You don't have much to say do you? Use your words Stupid.
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You dudes realize the game was tied, right?
you realize royce white can't shoot a free throw to save his life, and yet can score at will off the dribble, right? and at least putting him on the line with 20 seconds left would have ensured us a possession, right?
rough ridin' football fans. :flush:
and while we're at it, lets discuss frank's strategy of picking up royce white at half court. that made a ton of sense considering his outside shooting prowess.
he shoots 50%, meaning odds are he would make one of two.
which dipshit would you then want going for the win, dumbass?
would a shot to win the game be better than none at all? because that's what the strategy frank employed got us. rough ridin' idiot.
Additionally, you had to make at least one more shot to win the game, anyway.
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jfc what a dumbass thread. go take a lap and play Temple Run.
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jfc what a dumbass thread. go take a lap and play Temple Run.
your opinion is invalid.
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Clams is right, we should have fouled. Put the game in our hands.
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Wow.
Fouling was not the right strategy. Doubling White early in the last possession was and that is why I'm rough ridin' pissed at Frank.
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Its always wrong when it doesn't work.
I don't think I would've fouled, but I would've tried to make someone beat me that wasn't Royce White.
And I agree with the thought that it shouldn't have come down to that. Some questionable decisions by Frank and a general lack of making plays in the last 10 minutes lost us the game.
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shouldn't have been in that situation
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playing for overtime on the road with your best guard on the bench fouled out was the right call.
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playing for overtime on the road with your best guard on the bench fouled out was the right call.
If I hadn't witnessed Royce White completely destroy us on the drive the entire night I might agree with you. Might. I know you think your spouting amazing basketball wisdom here, but you have to take the way the game had gone up to that point in to consideration.
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playing for overtime on the road with your best guard on the bench fouled out was the right call.
If I hadn't witnessed Royce White completely destroy us on the drive the entire night I might agree with you. Might. I know you think your spouting amazing basketball wisdom here, but you have to take the way the game had gone up to that point in to consideration.
Not 100% sure you understood my comment. From what I can tell we agree he should have fouled.
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shouldn't have been in that situation
Let 'em off the hook :thumbsup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWmQbk5h86w
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playing for overtime on the road with your best guard on the bench fouled out was the right call.
If I hadn't witnessed Royce White completely destroy us on the drive the entire night I might agree with you. Might. I know you think your spouting amazing basketball wisdom here, but you have to take the way the game had gone up to that point in to consideration.
Not 100% sure you understood my comment. From what I can tell we agree he should have fouled.
I'm 100% sure I did not understand this. My bad. It's been a rough few hours.
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ISU's strategy in that situation was blatantly obvious--kick the ball to Royce at the top of the key and have him break down the defense with 10s left. There was very little chance KSU could stop him. I would have fouled him with 20s left and give our guys a chance to win with a 3 or more likely a 2.
This was pretty similar to NFL coaches screwing up clock management on such a regular basis because they think they are following the conventional wisdom.
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Friend of goEMAW kim english was mocking jack harry for calling for the white foul
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ISU's strategy in that situation was blatantly obvious--kick the ball to Royce at the top of the key and have him break down the defense with 10s left. There was very little chance KSU could stop him. I would have fouled him with 20s left and give our guys a chance to win with a 3 or more likely a 2.
This was pretty similar to NFL coaches screwing up clock management on such a regular basis because they think they are following the conventional wisdom.
NFL coaches should line up their defense at their own 30 yard line, let the other team run a play to there, and have them kick a field goal.
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Friend of goEMAW kim english was mocking jack harry for calling for the white foul
sweet. lump kim in with the idiots in this thread that don't understand basketball.
1 of 4 thing were going to happen once the ball was inbounded to rice-
1) rice gets fouled with 20 seconds goes to the line, k-state has 2 timeouts and the ball to deal with the results of putting rice, the league's worst free throw shooter and someone who shoots better from the field than the free throw line, on the line. (advantage k-state)
2) rice dribble drives and scores with no time left on the clock (advantage isu)
3) rice dribble drives and gets fouled with no time on the clock (advantage isu)
4) rice dribble drives, refs don't call foul, rice misses shot, overtime (advantage isu)
this isn't complicated.
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Friend of goEMAW kim english was mocking jack harry for calling for the white foul
sweet. lump kim in with the idiots in this thread that don't understand basketball.
1 of 4 thing were going to happen once the ball was inbounded to rice-
1) rice gets fouled with 20 seconds goes to the line, k-state has 2 timeouts and the ball to deal with the results of putting rice, the league's worst free throw shooter and someone who shoots better from the field than the free throw line, on the line. (advantage k-state)
2) rice dribble drives and scores with no time left on the clock (advantage isu)
3) rice dribble drives and gets fouled with no time on the clock (advantage isu)
4) rice dribble drives, refs don't call foul, rice misses shot, overtime (advantage isu)
this isn't complicated.
Simplest breakdown I've seen yet - and 100% agree.
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Friend of goEMAW kim english was mocking jack harry for calling for the white foul
sweet. lump kim in with the idiots in this thread that don't understand basketball.
1 of 4 thing were going to happen once the ball was inbounded to rice-
1) rice gets fouled with 20 seconds goes to the line, k-state has 2 timeouts and the ball to deal with the results of putting rice, the league's worst free throw shooter and someone who shoots better from the field than the free throw line, on the line. (advantage k-state)
2) rice dribble drives and scores with no time left on the clock (advantage isu)
3) rice dribble drives and gets fouled with no time on the clock (advantage isu)
4) rice dribble drives, refs don't call foul, rice misses shot, overtime (advantage isu)
this isn't complicated.
Simplest breakdown I've seen yet - and 100% agree.
Me too. You have to remember that this board is full blown rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) for some reason though.
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playing for overtime on the road with your best guard on the bench fouled out was the right call.
If I hadn't witnessed Royce White completely destroy us on the drive the entire night I might agree with you. Might. I know you think your spouting amazing basketball wisdom here, but you have to take the way the game had gone up to that point in to consideration.
Not 100% sure you understood my comment. From what I can tell we agree he should have fouled.
Um, I don't think you understand your comment. You said that playing for overtime was the right call. What we did was play for overtime. If you foul Royce, you're not playing for overtime. You're playing for putting the ball in your teams hands to win the game.
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think you might be missing the sarcasm...
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think you might be missing the sarcasm...
Oh. :facepalm:
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“I was praying he wouldn’t foul me,’’ said White, whose chances are roughly 50-50 to hit a free throw.
K-State didn’t and White sensed the odds get better on him making the decisive points.
“It was one of those things where I felt like I had an advantage,’’ he said.
Link (http://cjonline.com/sports/2012-02-01/k-state-must-rebound-after-not-getting-calls-isu)
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“I was praying he wouldn’t foul me,’’ said White, whose chances are roughly 50-50 to hit a free throw.
K-State didn’t and White sensed the odds get better on him making the decisive points.
“It was one of those things where I felt like I had an advantage,’’ he said.
Link (http://cjonline.com/sports/2012-02-01/k-state-must-rebound-after-not-getting-calls-isu)
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if the guy with the ball is terrified you are going to foul him, you should foul him.