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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: CHONGS on November 29, 2016, 01:27:51 PM
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10% of 200 wins is 20, so I was thinking it should be fun to try to list the best 20 wins (where best mean most impact in terms of the college football landscape and against a team that actually ended the year pretty good). I think most would agree that the most impressive win was OU 2003 (by a large factor), but what are the rest? I would think that SU 97, NU 98, and OU 2012. USC in 02 was impressive too.
1. OU 2003
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i think it's easy to undervalue that first ku win
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top 5 for me
1. OU 2003 obviously
2. 98 UNL
3. UT(enn) cotton bowl
4. 36-35 baylor and the rise of arthur
5. 64-0
HM:
2012 texas
copper bowl
cal at arrowhead
isu blocked kick (xp) at arrowhead
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How about 2003 at Nebraska? I think they still ended up w/9-ish wins, and it ended the Solich era which was probably a big deal in college football at the time.
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2000 Nebraska ranks high because their fans were so convinced '98 was a fluke...they came in as a favorite.... and we crushed their dreams by a point...and represented the Big 12 North.... .... It was kinda of the beginning of the end for Solich than 2001 Colorado happened.
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this should be somewhere between 13 - 20......great comeback win
2002 HOLIDAY
(6) Kansas State 34, Arizona State 27
December 27, 2002 • San Diego , Calif. • Qualcomm Stadium
Attendance: 58,717
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Going by quality of opponent, not by significance of win for the program:
1. 2003 OU (12-2)
2. 2002 USC (11-2)
3. 2000 NU (10-2)
4. 1995 KU (10-2)
5. 2012 OU (10-3)
6. 2003 NU (10-3)
7. 2011 BU (10-3)
8. 1998 NU (9-4)
9. 1998 UT (9-3)
10. 1993 OU (9-3)
11. 2000 ISU (9-3)
12. 1997 SYR (9-4)
13. 1998 MU (8-4)
14. 2000 Tenn (8-4)
15. 1998 CU (8-4)
16. 1997 aTm (9-4)
17. 1999 UT (9-5)
18. 2012 UT (9-4)
19. 2012 OSU (8-5)
20. 2011 UT (8-5)
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top 5 for me
1. OU 2003 obviously
2. 98 UNL
3. UT(enn) cotton bowl
4. 36-35 baylor and the rise of arthur
5. 64-0
HM:
2012 texas
copper bowl
cal at arrowhead
isu blocked kick (xp) at arrowhead
1993 Copper was a huge ass kicking and the fans loved it............the culmination of a year where the program had officially arrived.
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top 5 for me
1. OU 2003 obviously
2. 98 UNL
3. UT(enn) cotton bowl
4. 36-35 baylor and the rise of arthur
5. 64-0
HM:
2012 texas
copper bowl
cal at arrowhead
isu blocked kick (xp) at arrowhead
1993 Copper was a huge ass kicking and the fans loved it............the culmination of a year where the program had officially arrived.
yes i still have my tshirt, it would be top 5 but quality of opponent hurts it some
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Going by quality of opponent, not by significance of win for the program:
1. 2003 OU (12-2)
2. 2002 USC (11-2)
3. 2000 NU (10-2)
4. 1995 KU (10-2)
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This and somewhat 1994 KU as well. Mason/KU had a year's head start on building a program over Snyder/KSU. Long lasting impact for the psyche of the respective programs.
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Besides the big 12 championship in 03. Our Fiesta bowl victory in 97 was our biggest postseason win in our program.
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I looked up final AP rankings and changed a few around:
1. 2003 OU (12-2) #3
2. 2002 USC (11-2) #4
3. 2000 NU (10-2) #8
4. 1995 KU (10-2) #9
5. 2011 BU (10-3) #13
6. 2012 OU (10-3) #15
7. 2003 NU (10-3) #19
8. 1998 UT (9-3) #15
9. 1998 NU (9-4) #19
10. 1993 OU (9-3) #17
11. 2000 ISU (9-3) #25
12. 1997 SYR (9-4) #21
13. 1998 MU (8-4) #21
14. 2000 Tenn (8-4) #29
15. 1998 CU (8-4) #26
16. 1997 aTm (9-4) #20
17. 1999 UT (9-5) #21
18. 2012 UT (9-4) #19
19. 2012 OSU (8-5) #29
20. 2011 MU (8-5) #29
*2011 UT (8-5) #30
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That's a very useful list.
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Underrated: Beating MU on their way to the SEC.
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Underrated: Beating MU on their way to the SEC.
could say the same for 4ot vs aTm
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I looked up final AP rankings and changed a few around:
1. 2003 OU (12-2) #3 -KC - Lost in NC
2. 2002 USC (11-2) #4 - H - Won Orange
3. 2000 NU (10-2) #8 - H - Won Alamo
4. 1995 KU (10-2) #9 - H - Won Aloha
5. 2011 BU (10-3) #13 - H - Won Alamo
6. 2012 OU (10-3) #15 - A - Lost Cotton
7. 2003 NU (10-3) #19 - A - Won Alamo
8. 1998 UT (9-3) #15 - A - Won Cotton
9. 1998 NU (9-4) #19 - H - Lost Holiday
10. 1993 OU (9-3) #17 - H - Won Sun
11. 2000 ISU (9-3) #25 - H - Won Insight
12. 1997 SYR (9-4) #21 - Fiesta
13. 1998 MU (8-4) #21 - A - Won Insight
14. 2000 Tenn (8-4) #29 - Cotton
15. 1998 CU (8-4) #26 - A - Won Aloha
16. 1997 aTm (9-4) #20 - H -Lost Cotton
17. 1999 UT (9-5) #21 - A - Lost Cotton
18. 2012 UT (9-4) #19 - H - Won Alamo
19. 2012 OSU (8-5) #29 - H - Won Heart of Dallas
20. 2011 MU (8-5) #29 - H - Won Independence
*2011 UT (8-5) #30 - A - Won Holiday
I added where the game was played and what the opponent did in their bowl game if applicable.
I would put 2012 OU higher up to #4 if only because it was on the road and I would move 2000 ISU down around 18, they were a slightly above mediocre team with a nice schedule that got smoked when they played good teams. 98 Mizz and 2000 UTenn were better, both were tough teams that lost multiple nailbiters to good teams.
Had to fix location on 2003 NU
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I added where the game was played and what the opponent did in their bowl game if applicable.
I would put 2012 OU higher up to #4 if only because it was on the road and I would move 2000 ISU down around 18, they were a slightly above mediocre team with a nice schedule that got smoked when they played good teams. 98 Mizz and 2000 UTenn were better, both were tough teams that lost multiple nailbiters to good teams.
Nice additions. I wouldn't disagree with any of that.
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ill always throw @ miami in the discussion, that was the start of a pretty damn good 2 year run and nobody thought we could win that game (outside of us of course)
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Also it is interesting that none of the Bill's Holiday wins made this list as 99 Washington finished 7-5 and was only ranked for 1 week at #22 and 02 ASU finished 8-6, peaking at #16 in the AP poll before losing 4 of 5 to end the season.
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ill always throw @ miami in the discussion, that was the start of a pretty damn good 2 year run and nobody thought we could win that game (outside of us of course)
I agree, that was big. In some ways I think "significance of wins" is almost another discussion. I went about looking at the wins focusing on quality of opponent, mainly looking at record and rank.
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ill always throw @ miami in the discussion, that was the start of a pretty damn good 2 year run and nobody thought we could win that game (outside of us of course)
in the same vein destroying ATM at home in 2009 after getting blasted by TT in Lubbock the week before was pretty big to keep "the game has passed him by" from getting too loud
Also, putting a fork in the Mangino era at KU in 2009 was big imo as I do think P5 football in the state of Kansas is a zero sum game.
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How about 2003 at Nebraska? I think they still ended up w/9-ish wins, and it ended the Solich era which was probably a big deal in college football at the time.
This is the most underrated win in the Snyder era, it's #3 overall for me. People forget how monumental of a challenge this game was. The start of the game with Ell getting into Jamal Lord's face and it finishing with Darren dragging that dude into the end zone, it was all perfect.
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Underrated: Beating MU on their way to the SEC.
could say the same for 4ot vs aTm
yeah but I don't get to downsize some loser ATM fan's face on a daily basis over it so....
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2012 @ OU was amazing because even though it was in september, it was the b12 title game on the road and we won that rough rider
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I looked up final AP rankings and changed a few around:
1. 2003 OU (12-2) #3
2. 2002 USC (11-2) #4
3. 2000 NU (10-2) #8
4. 1995 KU (10-2) #9
5. 2011 BU (10-3) #13
6. 2012 OU (10-3) #15
7. 2003 NU (10-3) #19
8. 1998 UT (9-3) #15
9. 1998 NU (9-4) #19
10. 1993 OU (9-3) #17
11. 2000 ISU (9-3) #25
12. 1997 SYR (9-4) #21
13. 1998 MU (8-4) #21
14. 2000 Tenn (8-4) #29
15. 1998 CU (8-4) #26
16. 1997 aTm (9-4) #20
17. 1999 UT (9-5) #21
18. 2012 UT (9-4) #19
19. 2012 OSU (8-5) #29
20. 2011 MU (8-5) #29
*2011 UT (8-5) #30
when you take into account the qualifier of where best mean most impact in terms of the college football landscape I don't see how you could argue too extreme against this order.
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well, you could say the 2002 win over USC was meaningless because they got the BCS at large to the Orange :curse:
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Also, putting a fork in the Mangino era at KU in 2009 was big imo as I do think P5 football in the state of Kansas is a zero sum game.
that game was at bsfs, and it was glorious. maybe one of the loudest games i've been to.
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How about 2003 at Nebraska? I think they still ended up w/9-ish wins, and it ended the Solich era which was probably a big deal in college football at the time.
This is the most underrated win in the Snyder era, it's #3 overall for me. People forget how monumental of a challenge this game was. The start of the game with Ell getting into Jamal Lord's face and it finishing with Darren dragging that dude into the end zone, it was all perfect.
Technically the game finished with us giving Bill Brasky a pity safety and then, despite us spotting them two points, Bo Pellini calling Snyder a bad word for "running up the score." One of the absolute best memzys in kat football history. :Woot:
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Definitely should be in the Top 20. 11-3 and #21 in the final ap poll.
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Holding Heisman winner Ricky Williams to 46 yards rushing, and beating Pete Carroll and Heisman winner Carson Palmer come to mind.
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Beating Donovan McNabb was fun.
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I enjoyed destroying Travis Henry and his Volunteers, and afterward having Fuller say "they took us behind the wood shed and whipped out ass."
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I streaked City park after the first Copper Bowl win, and later got to third base with a cute chick that night! Not sure if my streaking ruined chance for Home run. Probably did.
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I helped tear down KU's goal posts. That was a special night.
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Third base is still pretty good!
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Beating the piss out of geno and dana was great. Not sure where the ended up
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Revised.
1. 2003 OU (12-2) #3 -KC - Lost in NC
2. 2002 USC (11-2) #4 - H - Won Orange
3. 2000 NU (10-2) #8 - H - Won Alamo
4. 1995 KU (10-2) #9 - H - Won Aloha
5. 2011 BU (10-3) #13 - H - Won Alamo
6. 2012 OU (10-3) #15 - A - Lost Cotton
7. 2003 NU (10-3) #19 - A - Won Alamo
8. 1998 UT (9-3) #15 - A - Won Cotton
9. 1998 NU (9-4) #19 - H - Lost Holiday
10. 1993 OU (9-3) #17 - H - Won Sun
11. 1997 SYR (9-4) #21 - Fiesta
12. 1998 MU (8-4) #21 - A - Won Insight
13. 1998 CU (8-4) #26 - A - Won Aloha
14. 2000 Tenn (8-4) #29 - Cotton
15. 1997 aTm (9-4) #20 - H -Lost Cotton
16. 2000 ISU (9-3) #25 - H - Won Insight
17. 1999 UT (9-5) #21 - A - Lost Cotton
18. 2012 UT (9-4) #19 - H - Won Alamo
19. 2010 UCF (11-3) #21 - H - Won Liberty
20t. 2012 OSU (8-5) #29 - H - Won Heart of Dallas
20t. 2011 MU (8-5) #29 - H - Won Independence
20t. 2011 UT (8-5) #30 - A - Won Holiday
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I streaked City park after the first Copper Bowl win, and later got to third base with a cute chick that night! Not sure if my streaking ruined chance for Home run. Probably did.
My wife and I saw three naked guys in the park on our way home for Roc-a-Bell immediately after the game.
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The four OT aTm game was great, and was maybe Klein's best. He just kept being amazing in OTs. 02 against MU for the north title was great, too. Sproles baby, and Pinkel obviously playing to keep it close rather than win and still getting clocked by ??? 31-0 or something.
The Minnesota game on the road in 93, one of those close wins that helped establish the program.
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I streaked City park after the first Copper Bowl win, and later got to third base with a cute chick that night! Not sure if my streaking ruined chance for Home run. Probably did.
My wife and I saw three naked guys in the park on our way home for Roc-a-Bell immediately after the game.
YOU'RE WELCOME!
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now start a best losses thread
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CCQ's signature moment is the 2nd best noncon (nonbowl) win of Bill's career :horrorsurprise:
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I streaked City park after the first Copper Bowl win, and later got to third base with a cute chick that night! Not sure if my streaking ruined chance for Home run. Probably did.
My wife and I saw three naked guys in the park on our way home for Roc-a-Bell immediately after the game.
Did nothing for me, but she drove around the block again.
YOU'RE WELCOME!
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02 USC is the best team we've beaten imo
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I can't put anything above 98 NU because I think there is a lot to be said for the psychology of losing to a team 32 years in a row regardless of what else was going on in college football at the time. That was a huge deal for the program.
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2003 OU is underrated at #1, the number 1 ranked Sooners were in the conversation for being the greatest college football team of all time. 35-7 was unreal and shook them to the core and felt unbelievable after what they did to our 2000 season. That win would rank high on a national list
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How about 2003 at Nebraska? I think they still ended up w/9-ish wins, and it ended the Solich era which was probably a big deal in college football at the time.
This is the most underrated win in the Snyder era, it's #3 overall for me. People forget how monumental of a challenge this game was. The start of the game with Ell getting into Jamal Lord's face and it finishing with Darren dragging that dude into the end zone, it was all perfect.
My favorite single football moment OAT :love:
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03 OU
98 NU
02 USC
00 NU
^The top 4 in some order on any list. #5 would depend on who's ass you enjoyed beating the most
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At the time remember how terrified we all were in 2012 @wvu, then we curb stomped them by 40? That was amazing
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Do we need a separate list of wins D-stone most enjoyed mushing in loser's/iowa ginger's faces?
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How about 2003 at Nebraska? I think they still ended up w/9-ish wins, and it ended the Solich era which was probably a big deal in college football at the time.
Pelini rushing across the field to beat up LHCBS :love:
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LHOFHCBS beating Texas in 2010 is one of his BEST wins imo. Started Klein on Senior Night in front of Coffman. Didn't pass. It was a great one to watch from the student section. Someone from Borck Bros resized Mack's clownsuit in the locker room afterwards.
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03 OU
98 NU
02 USC
00 NU
^The top 4 in some order on any list. #5 would depend on who's ass you enjoyed beating the most
USC wouldn't make my top 5, it was fun at the time but non conference games don't mean nearly as much to me. Also 2000 NU didn't feel as big to me at the time because of how monumental 98 was. I expected to beat their asses, it was a different feeling.
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03 OU
98 NU
02 USC
00 NU
^The top 4 in some order on any list. #5 would depend on who's ass you enjoyed beating the most
USC wouldn't make my top 5, it was fun at the time but non conference games don't mean nearly as much to me. Also 2000 NU didn't feel as big to me at the time because of how monumental 98 was. I expected to beat their asses, it was a different feeling.
I think 98 NU and 03 OU are in a class by themselves. The other two aren't at that elite level, but I can't find any game that I would put above them.
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Mine:
1. OU- 03'
2. Nebraska- '98
3. Syracuse- Fiesta Bowl
4. Tennessee- Cotton Bowl
5. USC- 2002
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I looked up final AP rankings and changed a few around:
1. 2003 OU (12-2) #3
2. 2002 USC (11-2) #4
3. 2000 NU (10-2) #8
4. 1995 KU (10-2) #9
5. 2011 BU (10-3) #13
6. 2012 OU (10-3) #15
7. 2003 NU (10-3) #19
8. 1998 UT (9-3) #15
9. 1998 NU (9-4) #19
10. 1993 OU (9-3) #17
11. 2000 ISU (9-3) #25
12. 1997 SYR (9-4) #21
13. 1998 MU (8-4) #21
14. 2000 Tenn (8-4) #29
15. 1998 CU (8-4) #26
16. 1997 aTm (9-4) #20
17. 1999 UT (9-5) #21
18. 2012 UT (9-4) #19
19. 2012 OSU (8-5) #29
20. 2011 MU (8-5) #29
*2011 UT (8-5) #30
Snyder has only won 4 games against teams that finished the season in the top 10. seems kinda shitty. Did Ron Prince have any?
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looks like texas finished 13th in 2006, 10th in 2007
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Did Ron Prince have any?
1. 07 UT (10-3) 10t
2. 06 UT (10-3) 13
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To be fair, potential wins over end of season top ten is pretty small too. Nobody we played this year would be top ten if we beat them.
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It's kind of hard to lose to K-State and not fall out of the top 10.
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Not so much of a best win, but as for memorable, last years Iowa State game was about as memorable as they get. It was Paul Rhoades best win, not Snyder's.
Damn! He trippin' so hard fans are gonna think he done fell off!
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To be fair, potential wins over end of season top ten is pretty small too. Nobody we played this year would be top ten if we beat them.
It's kind of hard to lose to K-State and not fall out of the top 10.
Exactly. We've only had a few top 10 teams of our own. We would never be afforded the bullshit that happens now with Big 10 and SEC teams where two top 10 teams play and then the loser drops one or two spots. Even when we're good pundits act like losing to K-State is some horrible occurrence.
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Beating the state of Nebraska in new Mentor-Mentee relationships.
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Beating the state of Nebraska in new Mentor-Mentee relationships.
Whipped Missouri's ass too
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Beating the state of Nebraska in new Mentor-Mentee relationships.
Whipped Missouri's ass too
always
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03 OU and 98 NU are unparalleled. 95 KU was my personal favorite though.
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KU '95 is way up there. Little KU buddies left stadium at halftime enraged.
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'21 Stanford
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KU '95 is way up there. Little KU buddies left stadium at halftime enraged.
I was in 8thish grade and put the score on a squawk teacher's chalkboard really big on Monday and she yelled at the class :ROFL:
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KU '95 is way up there. Little KU buddies left stadium at halftime enraged.
I was in 8thish grade and put the score on a squawk teacher's chalkboard really big on Monday and she yelled at the class :ROFL:
An early lesson on the inner rage that boils like a cauldron inside the heart of every squawk.
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As a small town SW KS kid I did not have a preference between KU and KState in 95.
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As a small town SW KS kid I did not have a preference between KU and KState in 95.
It was my first K-State fan experience. I decided about a month before that game I was going to K-State. Day before the game I went to RTs Sporting Goods in Garden City and got a K-State new era track suit. Me, my gf, and my future K-State roommate ate some Bionic Burger during that game and EMAWed our faces off.
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Pretty amaze story
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As a small town SW KS kid I did not have a preference between KU and KState in 95.
It was my first K-State fan experience. I decided about a month before that game I was going to K-State. Day before the game I went to RTs Sporting Goods in Garden City and got a K-State new era track suit. Me, my gf, and my future K-State roommate ate some Bionic Burger during that game and EMAWed our faces off.
Anyone remember K-State - 10 Dan Eichloff - 9. A lot of fun for an 8th grader
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I moved to Manhattan as a 6 year old in '92 when my parents were attending KSU for their PHDs. Lived at the closest Jardine apartment to the stadium where it was right next to the parking lot of the stadium. For the next 8 years, I would sneak into every home game (football and basketball) and watch my favorite cats play. Thank God it was a different time back then and kids didn't need 24/7 supervision. Basketball games were fun too because they always gave out free pizza, and who's not going to give free pizza to a hungry 6 year old.
Also went to elementary school with Whitney Snyder, and she'd have the football players come to the school to sign autographs and stuff, which was awesome. First football player I met was JJ Smith. I remember him signing my trapper keeper :)
Then went to KU instead of KSU because KSU did not have the program I wanted to major in. Nevertheless, while at Lawrence, I could only cheer for KSU and only be a KSU Fan.
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KU '95 is way up there. Little KU buddies left stadium at halftime enraged.
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Bill's best wind breaker ever............
(https://www.k-state.edu/media/webzine/wefald/wefaldsnyder.jpg)
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I moved to Manhattan as a 6 year old in '92 when my parents were attending KSU for their PHDs. Lived at the closest Jardine apartment to the stadium where it was right next to the parking lot of the stadium. For the next 8 years, I would sneak into every home game (football and basketball) and watch my favorite cats play. Thank God it was a different time back then and kids didn't need 24/7 supervision. Basketball games were fun too because they always gave out free pizza, and who's not going to give free pizza to a hungry 6 year old.
Also went to elementary school with Whitney Snyder, and she'd have the football players come to the school to sign autographs and stuff, which was awesome. First football player I met was JJ Smith. I remember him signing my trapper keeper :)
Then went to KU instead of KSU because KSU did not have the program I wanted to major in. Nevertheless, while at Lawrence, I could only cheer for KSU and only be a KSU Fan.
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Interested to know how you would sneak in. :bwpopcorn:
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I lived in Jardine (r-30 represent) from like 90-92 and they would just open the gates at halftime
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As a small town SW KS kid I did not have a preference between KU and KState in 95.
It was my first K-State fan experience. I decided about a month before that game I was going to K-State. Day before the game I went to RTs Sporting Goods in Garden City and got a K-State new era track suit. Me, my gf, and my future K-State roommate ate some Bionic Burger during that game and EMAWed our faces off.
Anyone remember K-State - 10 Dan Eichloff - 9. A lot of fun for an 8th grader
A windy day and, if I recall correctly, Eichloff missed some crazy ass long FG attempt just before the first half ended.