these detectives got ran over by two bumbling potheads. pretty amazing.
I find it crazy that Best Buy didn't have lot cameras in 1997.
adnan says he really doesn't know jay that well, why would he give him his car and phone?
- Don, the BF. Cops didn't talk to Don.
- The one girl who was a neighbor of some guy that told her he saw a body in the back of a car and that some guy named adnan killed her. She didn't know adnan at all. Cops didn't talk to her or the guy, her neighbor at all.
I'm not convinced Adnan did it, but I am convinced based on what I've seen of the evidence he shouldn't have been convicted.
It is a very wierd deal. And I'm not sure why cops thing Hae was killed in that short window, other than Jay's questionable testimony. I mean, there's no physical evidence saying she was killed then, or even that day.
IIRC, Stephanie(adnan's friend and Jays GF) said that they weren't close near the beginning of the series.
I agree with you KK, but I just can't see an 18 year old Adnan not trying to take Jay down with him. He would have to be pretty calm to say "This likely won't benefit me, so I'm better off playing dumb and letting Jay basically get off free." Though to be fair, he may have thought there wasn't near enough to convict to him anyway and once he was convicted, there was no reason to change his story.I agree, but it is helpful to remember the order of events and the motivations of each party:
Adnan has a 20 or 30 yr sentence as it is. Trying to take Jay down with him does nothing to minimize that after his initial conviction. Changing his story now only guarantees that he never wins an appeal. Maintaining his story keeps his chance of getting out early or getting overturned.he was sentenced to life + 30, he's not getting out.
http://mentalfloss.com/article/60016/10-crazy-and-some-not-so-crazy-serial-theories
^some other ideas
8. STEPHANIE AND JENN KILLED HAE
Here’s where things get a little crazy. If you dive deep into the Serial subreddit (again, not recommended), you get some pretty out-there—but then, maybe not so far out-there?—theories. One that crops up again and again is the idea that Stephanie, Jay’s girlfriend and Adnan’s close friend, was involved with Hae’s murder. Despite being close with both Jay and Adnan, no calls were placed to Stephanie on January 13. This is especially strange because January 13 was Stephanie’s birthday, and the whole reason Jay needed to borrow Adnan’s car was to buy Stephanie a birthday present.
To add more fuel to this theory, Adnan did speak to Stephanie twice on the night of January 12. Could it be he told her something about Hae that angered her? Made her angry enough to kill Hae? If Stephanie was Hae’s murderer, it would make perfect sense for her to turn to Jay—her boyfriend—to help her cover it up.
9. SOME DUDE NAMED ROY DAVIS KILLED HAE
Leave it to reddit to hone in on a specific, seemingly unrelated suspect. But maybe the craziest part about this theory is that it might not be so crazy at all. In 2004, DNA evidence helped to convict a 50-year-old man named Roy Sharonnie Davis III of raping and strangling 18-year-old Woodlawn resident Jada Lambert. Lambert’s murder happened in May 1998—just nine months before Hae went missing. Even creepier, Davis lived just six miles away from Woodlawn High School and even closer to Campfield Early Learn Center, the school where Hae was supposed to pick up her cousin. The redditor points out that Davis was also charged in 1996 with possession of marijuana. Could he possibly have purchased said marijuana from … Jay?
Wait, didn't jay serve some time anyway?
The judge sentences Jay to two years probation, no jail time. His lawyer mouths the words ‘thank you’ to the judge. Jay leaves the courtroom with the only person who came with him that day, Stephanie.
Wait, didn't jay serve some time anyway?
I've probably missed it, but why did the first trial go awry?
I've probably missed it, but why did the first trial go awry?
they've only mentioned the mistrial in passing but never explained it, iirc...
careful googling (hand over eyes, peeking through fingers) makes it sound like the first judge mumbled something about adnan's lawyer being a liar, a juror heard it, and then passed a note like "since you've determined she's a liar, do we have to start over?"
No more until Dec 4 :curse:
No more until Dec 4 :curse:
Yeah, everyone donate. I will kill someone and blame it on an unsuspecting person, make up a shaky story about how he did it, and make a deal for my own personal freedom so that I can find some other podcast to listen to if there isn't a second season.
the most impressive part is that the jury only took like 3 hours to reach a verdict, including lunch...
There is a difference between believing the state's theory is wrong and if you were on the jury you would've found him not guilty and believing that Adnan is innocent/not guilty.
I am probably in the first camp, probably not yet in the second camp.
Do you all have all the info now the jury had or is this person selectively feeding you info? If you're being manipulated seems really rough ridin' dumb to judge the jurors.
Also privileged and/or successful people do really mumped up crap occassionally like murder or rape or molest. There has to be a first time.
From reading this thread it just seems like this broad is leading people around by the nose. I'm very comfortable agreeing that several members if not the entirety of the jury were imbeciles. That's just how it is. Doesn't mean they got it wrong though.
From reading this thread it just seems like this broad is leading people around by the nose. I'm very comfortable agreeing that several members if not the entirety of the jury were imbeciles. That's just how it is. Doesn't mean they got it wrong though.
We are listening to a podcast, of course we are evaluating the facts through the filter of the narrator. Just like the jurors didn't gumshoe the case and argue it to themselves. Good grief.
A weird thing is that I believe as a rule, you aren't supposed to take into account that he didn't testify, but that juror made it sound like they convicted him because he didn't take the stand to defend himself.
Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk
The donation isn't to fight this guy's appeal. It is to be entertained by a second season of an awesome podcast, which will have nothing to do with this case.
Yeah, I get that, but it's weird to be aware of and admit that it was a big factor in the decision.
Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk
Sounds like some feelings have been hurt by questioning the accuracy of conclusions drawn from limited information.
Yeah, I get that, but it's weird to be aware of and admit that it was a big factor in the decision.
Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk
Not that weird of a thing for an idiot to say. You can tell them all day long what the law is and then they just do what they want anyway.
i just had to be the presiding juror on a three week long criminal trial this summer. you can pretty much assume, like everything else in real life, that the jurors are all pretty section L
I'm sitting third chair on this one, clams. The jurors heard the case, you all hear the podcast and I'm going to read this here thread. Judgments will be flying and if we're lucky maybe a few hard truths will be revealed to those who know what to look for.
i just had to be the presiding juror on a three week long criminal trial this summer. you can pretty much assume, like everything else in real life, that the jurors are all pretty section L
Being on a jury does something to your average everday idiot that makes them worse by at least a factor of ten than they would ordinarily be. They feel empowered and important and therefore automatically smarter and better, which causes them to be less observant and more obstinate and obtuse. It's a really terrifying phenomenon.
consider that the 2L intern works for "the innocence project"
huh, so the Serial host wrote about his attorney back in 2001
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2001-07-19/news/0107190108_1_gutierrez-trust-fund-clients
"[Adnan Syed] participated in a National competition in which he built a solar vehicle that won 6th place in Topeka, KS last spring." (1996?)
WOAH!
i just had to be the presiding juror on a three week long criminal trial this summer. you can pretty much assume, like everything else in real life, that the jurors are all pretty section L
Next week is the final episode.
:horrorsurprise:
I don't think Adnan did it. The motive is too convenient, and it's weak. Asia will end up swearing under oath that he had an alibi, and I think he'll ultimately get off if all of these new motions are granted. The case the prosecution put together was extremely weak, but the jury seemed naive at best and criminally incompetent at worst.
I think someone instigated, and Jay helped. I think whoever did this ultimately got to Jay, and they got together and framed Adnan. Who that someone is, I have no idea, but I really don't believe Adnan did it.
I installed flooring in my basement the last couple of days and listened to all the episodes. Very entertaining show. I go back and forth on whether he did it or not or at least was part of it. The SNL but was hilarious.I think what is really interesting is how "podcasts" have now become a mainstream thing. I want to see if and how the momentum continues
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
the snl skit last night was pretty damn awesome
http://youtu.be/l9XpS6mIZfI (http://youtu.be/l9XpS6mIZfI)
I installed flooring in my basement the last couple of days and listened to all the episodes. Very entertaining show. I go back and forth on whether he did it or not or at least was part of it. The SNL but was hilarious.I think what is really interesting is how "podcasts" have now become a mainstream thing. I want to see if and how the momentum continues
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I installed flooring in my basement the last couple of days and listened to all the episodes. Very entertaining show. I go back and forth on whether he did it or not or at least was part of it. The SNL but was hilarious.I think what is really interesting is how "podcasts" have now become a mainstream thing. I want to see if and how the momentum continues
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
it's certainly a podcast- its defining what a podcast is (that's the American Life model).Also, others will try to replicate it, hopefully spinning off other quality podcasts of this format.
the marketing dollars for next season will be fought after, I like seeing the market evolve
god, some of the serial recaps are insufferable. "oh, I already knew the american justice system was mumped up". eff off.
I'm on episode 6 or 7. Had Adnan ever like been in a fight before? Had he ever been in real trouble? I don't believe someone, even an idiot teenager, would murder someone with their bare hands without some history of physical violence.
I'm on episode 6 or 7. Had Adnan ever like been in a fight before? Had he ever been in real trouble? I don't believe someone, even an idiot teenager, would murder someone with their bare hands without some history of physical violence.
Keep listening.
And guys, the SNL thing was so good. They nailed all the main characters. Chris on the phone was fantastic.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I'm on episode 6 or 7. Had Adnan ever like been in a fight before? Had he ever been in real trouble? I don't believe someone, even an idiot teenager, would murder someone with their bare hands without some history of physical violence.
I'd be much more inclined to believe that, yes. Guns make it very easy to kill someone. Also there are tons of evidence of people without a history of messing with guns or getting in to fights later killing someone with a gun. There may be examples of people without history of physical violence killing someone with their bare hands (unprovoked), but I've just never heard of one.I'm on episode 6 or 7. Had Adnan ever like been in a fight before? Had he ever been in real trouble? I don't believe someone, even an idiot teenager, would murder someone with their bare hands without some history of physical violence.
Would you believe it if he had shot her?
just finished the final episode: i have no idea what happened.pm me for deets
I don't think Adnan did it. The motive is too convenient, and it's weak. Asia will end up swearing under oath that he had an alibi, and I think he'll ultimately get off if all of these new motions are granted. The case the prosecution put together was extremely weak, but the jury seemed naive at best and criminally incompetent at worst.
I think someone instigated, and Jay helped. I think whoever did this ultimately got to Jay, and they got together and framed Adnan. Who that someone is, I have no idea, but I really don't believe Adnan did it.
Yeah, the jurors are naive.
good lordI think what is really interesting is how "podcasts" have now become a mainstream thing. I want to see if and how the momentum continues
Tip of the Iceberg IMO. I would equate it to what blogging was 10 years ago.
I'm on episode 6 or 7. Had Adnan ever like been in a fight before? Had he ever been in real trouble? I don't believe someone, even an idiot teenager, would murder someone with their bare hands without some history of physical violence.
Would you believe it if he had shot her?
I'd be much more inclined to believe that, yes. Guns make it very easy to kill someone. Also there are tons of evidence of people without a history of messing with guns or getting in to fights later killing someone with a gun. There may be examples of people without history of physical violence killing someone with their bare hands (unprovoked), but I've just never heard of one.
I don't think Adnan did it. The motive is too convenient, and it's weak. Asia will end up swearing under oath that he had an alibi, and I think he'll ultimately get off if all of these new motions are granted. The case the prosecution put together was extremely weak, but the jury seemed naive at best and criminally incompetent at worst.
I think someone instigated, and Jay helped. I think whoever did this ultimately got to Jay, and they got together and framed Adnan. Who that someone is, I have no idea, but I really don't believe Adnan did it.
Yeah, the jurors are naive.
I don't know why Jay helped, nor do I know why they wanted to frame Adnan, but after all of that, there's nothing more than really strained circumstantial evidence to tie him to the murder.
There is literally no hard evidence tying this kid to the crime. Nothing.
None of the stories pinning him to the murder ever lined up, and they changed, significantly, from investigation to trial...and then again after the mistrial.
If this kid murdered the girl, he is as cold and smooth as Hannibal Lector. And none of that fits any sort of profile he's ever exhibited.
:love:I'm on episode 6 or 7. Had Adnan ever like been in a fight before? Had he ever been in real trouble? I don't believe someone, even an idiot teenager, would murder someone with their bare hands without some history of physical violence.
Would you believe it if he had shot her?
I'd be much more inclined to believe that, yes. Guns make it very easy to kill someone. Also there are tons of evidence of people without a history of messing with guns or getting in to fights later killing someone with a gun. There may be examples of people without history of physical violence killing someone with their bare hands (unprovoked), but I've just never heard of one.
Sounds like you've got it sorted.
Jay Interview
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/12/29/exclusive-interview-jay-wilds-star-witness-adnan-syed-serial-case-pt-1/
Hint: Adnan did it.
Hint: Adnan did it.
this podcast was never about guilt or innocence (of adnan)
no it wasn't
the podcast was about telling a story about a guy who was convicted of murdering his ex-gf
listeners of the podcast took it the direction it went in threads like this one
but imo it was never about whether or not the guy did it. read: serial.
no it wasn't
the podcast was about telling a story about a guy who was convicted of murdering his ex-gf
listeners of the podcast took it the direction it went in threads like this one
but imo it was never about whether or not the guy did it. read: serial.
The narrator is constantly grappling with whether or not she believes Adnan is innocent. Her eventual conclusion (or partial conclusion, or non-conclusion) to that question is the centerpiece of the final episode. To me, the story seemed to be presented as her journey to arrive at that conclusion.
no it wasn't
the podcast was about telling a story about a guy who was convicted of murdering his ex-gf
listeners of the podcast took it the direction it went in threads like this one
but imo it was never about whether or not the guy did it. read: serial.
The narrator is constantly grappling with whether or not she believes Adnan is innocent. Her eventual conclusion (or partial conclusion, or non-conclusion) to that question is the centerpiece of the final episode. To me, the story seemed to be presented as her journey to arrive at that conclusion.
like you said, there's no answer to the story that's been presented...which makes this podcast all about the journey, hence the damn name, "SERIAL".
listen to the intro, good grief
snl thing was dumb, the whole thing was good because it's an interesting look at how the criminal justice system works (and doesn't)
snl thing was dumb, the whole thing was good because it's an interesting look at how the criminal justice system works (and doesn't)
Well, it's a look. Not sure it is an interesting look.
snl thing was dumb, the whole thing was good because it's an interesting look at how the criminal justice system works (and doesn't)
Well, it's a look. Not sure it is an interesting look.
yes the one thing everyone says about Serial is how it isn't interesting
listened to the first 3 today. was :lol: pretty hard when they started talking about mr s(treaker)
2 more down, I'm enjoying this.
2 more down, I'm enjoying this.
the wire trajectory, tho
A new podcast starting Monday will delve into the strange case "in greater detail, from an investigatory perspective instead of a narrative one," The New York Times reports.
http://www.people.com/article/serial-adnan-syed-new-podcast-undisclosed (http://www.people.com/article/serial-adnan-syed-new-podcast-undisclosed)very weird in a coming to america mcdowell's vs mcdonald's type of wayQuoteA new podcast starting Monday will delve into the strange case "in greater detail, from an investigatory perspective instead of a narrative one," The New York Times reports.
I love this season. Doesn't seem like anyone talks about it though?
Is it maybe because everyone thinks they already know it all about Berghdal?
I like it a lot, but it is no Adnan murder case.
Bergdahl is boooooooooooring
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Bergdahl is boooooooooooring
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
I hope we get to hear from his pops
Bergdahl is boooooooooooring
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Bergdahl is boooooooooooring
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
I legit don't know how you could listen to the crap he went through and think "boring"
I don't buy his reason given for leaving camp. He sounds like an intelligent person, but then tries to tell you that he wanted to prove to himself that he was Jason Borne.
I don't buy his reason given for leaving camp. He sounds like an intelligent person, but then tries to tell you that he wanted to prove to himself that he was Jason Borne.
I didn't get that impression
I don't buy his reason given for leaving camp. He sounds like an intelligent person, but then tries to tell you that he wanted to prove to himself that he was Jason Borne.
I didn't get that impression
I went back and relistened and it was the filmmaker that suggested he wanted to be Jason Bourne.I don't buy his reason given for leaving camp. He sounds like an intelligent person, but then tries to tell you that he wanted to prove to himself that he was Jason Borne.
I didn't get that impression
He said that, specifically.
none of you were listening very well.
Bergdhal's stated reason for leaving was to trigger a DUSTWUN to get an audience with a superior to tell them how shitty the CO's were at his outpost.
This seems like an incredibly dumb reason that lead to an even dumber plan of trying to come up with the subsequent justification once he was gone that he was going to provide some intel to mitigate the punishment.
What is interesting is that when Bergdhal attempts to explain all of this none of them seem to make a ton of sense even to him and as he's saying it, maybe it is the monotone affect (and did he have that before being captured?) you get the impression that maybe the reason was he left his post because he wanted to leave his post with no real deep reason or justification.
He definitely does not convey any passion or deep belief in the reason for doing it.
none of you were listening very well.I agree with all of that except me not listening well.
Bergdhal's stated reason for leaving was to trigger a DUSTWUN to get an audience with a superior to tell them how shitty the CO's were at his outpost.
This seems like an incredibly dumb reason that lead to an even dumber plan of trying to come up with the subsequent justification once he was gone that he was going to provide some intel to mitigate the punishment.
What is interesting is that when Bergdhal attempts to explain all of this none of them seem to make a ton of sense even to him and as he's saying it, maybe it is the monotone affect (and did he have that before being captured?) you get the impression that maybe the reason was he left his post because he wanted to leave his post with no real deep reason or justification.
He definitely does not convey any passion or deep belief in the reason for doing it.
You guys been listening to the updates on Adnan's attempt to get a new trial? Kind of amazing how this thread has floundered considering all the updates recently.
You guys been listening to the updates on Adnan's attempt to get a new trial? Kind of amazing how this thread has floundered considering all the updates recently.
You guys been listening to the updates on Adnan's attempt to get a new trial? Kind of amazing how this thread has floundered considering all the updates recently.
Yes, it was really good last week for those 3 short ones. Then Koening couldn't go Monday and now nothing new this week, which was disappointing.
Undisclosed was a podcast about the serial podcast. Over the summer they started their second season and are making it like the first season of serial. It's about a kid named joey Watkins that was put in jail for murder. V good so far.
s2 of serial sucked
Undisclosed was a podcast about the serial podcast. Over the summer they started their second season and are making it like the first season of serial. It's about a kid named joey Watkins that was put in jail for murder. V good so far.
i tried listening to undisclosed. couldn't handle it. seemed like their only intent was to show how innocent adnan was instead of telling a story.
WTF :frown:
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/03/08/us/serial-adnan-syed-conviction-reinstated/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F
WTF :frown:
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/03/08/us/serial-adnan-syed-conviction-reinstated/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F
yeah, that seems very artibtrary.
Holy crap
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62909702
Both of the new potential suspects have been known to police since the 1999 murder, according to a court filing submitted by prosecutors on Wednesday.
One of the two - neither of whom has been named by officials - had previously threatened "to make her [Lee] disappear" or kill her, the documents say.
Prosecutors did not inform Adnan's defence team of the potentially exculpatory evidence, which poses a possible trial violation.
Lee's car was also found behind the home of one of the suspects, officials added. That information was not discovered until 2022, according to Mrs Mosby's office.
andQuoteLee's car was also found behind the home of one of the suspects, officials added. That information was not discovered until 2022, according to Mrs Mosby's office.
Charges dropped.
Charges dropped.
Is that how that works? Is there not some formal process to void his past ruling? I mean, is he still considered a felon?