"Obamacare"

[Emo EMAW]

I'm wondering how many of you would be equally upset had the line item charge read something like "additional nurse .5 hours" ??

[wetwillie]

Did you do contingency planning for complications?  How much was it going to cost for a preemie? 

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Obamacare is an abject failure. No reason to carry this thread on.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

I think there are some people that were justifiably angry in 2010 before they even could have considered that Donald Trump would be running for office in 2016.

what was justified about their anger?  My health insurance is getting worse, but that is because Kansas State has had to make across the board cuts for the past 3 years because of Brownback's tax plan.

Man, put down the glass of Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) kool-aid. 

[catastrophe]

Normal conversation (apparently):

"Would you like to hold your baby now, Mr.Lib?"

"That depends. How much is it going to set me back?"

You're missing the point.  For the birth of a child you should know what it's going to cost up front.

You and sys or whomever would have much better arguments with charges for services while someone was under general anesthesia.

It's been discussed already, but most doctors have no idea what the services cost that they bill for. Also, you're suggesting that the $40 baby holding charge would be included in such a quote, when I'm almost certain it wouldn't be. How do they know you'd want to hold your child after birth?

[MakeItRain]

It's not lack of transparency.  All you have to do is like not be Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and ask for pricing.

It's no different than a Toyota dealership.  "Hi Mr. Sys, the during the inspection the tech noticed your cabin air filter is dirty, would you like us to replace that?"

Now, here's where some of you are Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and the rest of you aren't.

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!):  "Sure."
Non-Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!):  "How much is it?  ("It's $20.")  Oh okay, yes please do that."

in california, by state law, when you request any automotive repair or service you are presented with an itemized estimate of the cost of each service or repair which you must sign.  that is transparency.

and your fantasy about hospitals being happy to document and estimate prices prior to performing work is complete bullshit.  congratulations that you found a hospital that was eager and able to do that for one of the services they offer.  it is well documented that it is not easy to get most/many hospitals to do so for many/most services they offer.

I got 2 FWIW, and neither was difficult.

LOL, no you didn't.

[puniraptor]

what if a nurse had to be there for you to hold your elk gutpile?

[puniraptor]

what if a nurse had to be there for you to hold your elk gutpile?

skin 2 skin only

[sys]

it is also outrageous that they force people to call holding a baby skin to skin and make everyone feel like perverts.

[MakeItRain]

it is also outrageous that they force people to call holding a baby skin to skin and make everyone feel like perverts.

Immediate skin to skin contact is supposed to help with breastfeeding.

[MakeItRain]

Also someone should start a thread about childbirth class.

[Tobias]

is there a non-skin2skin method of holding your baby afterwards?

[puniraptor]

is there a non-skin2skin method of holding your baby afterwards?

[Tobias]

"free" #ack?

[Emo EMAW]

It's not lack of transparency.  All you have to do is like not be Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and ask for pricing.

It's no different than a Toyota dealership.  "Hi Mr. Sys, the during the inspection the tech noticed your cabin air filter is dirty, would you like us to replace that?"

Now, here's where some of you are Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and the rest of you aren't.

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!):  "Sure."
Non-Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!):  "How much is it?  ("It's $20.")  Oh okay, yes please do that."

in california, by state law, when you request any automotive repair or service you are presented with an itemized estimate of the cost of each service or repair which you must sign.  that is transparency.

and your fantasy about hospitals being happy to document and estimate prices prior to performing work is complete bullshit.  congratulations that you found a hospital that was eager and able to do that for one of the services they offer.  it is well documented that it is not easy to get most/many hospitals to do so for many/most services they offer.

I got 2 FWIW, and neither was difficult.

LOL, no you didn't.

We absolutely did.  Shawnee Mission Hospital and Overland Park. 

[MakeItRain]

is there a non-skin2skin method of holding your baby afterwards?

Mom in a gown, kid in blanket

[MakeItRain]

It's not lack of transparency.  All you have to do is like not be Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and ask for pricing.

It's no different than a Toyota dealership.  "Hi Mr. Sys, the during the inspection the tech noticed your cabin air filter is dirty, would you like us to replace that?"

Now, here's where some of you are Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and the rest of you aren't.

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!):  "Sure."
Non-Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!):  "How much is it?  ("It's $20.")  Oh okay, yes please do that."

in california, by state law, when you request any automotive repair or service you are presented with an itemized estimate of the cost of each service or repair which you must sign.  that is transparency.

and your fantasy about hospitals being happy to document and estimate prices prior to performing work is complete bullshit.  congratulations that you found a hospital that was eager and able to do that for one of the services they offer.  it is well documented that it is not easy to get most/many hospitals to do so for many/most services they offer.

I got 2 FWIW, and neither was difficult.

LOL, no you didn't.

We absolutely did.  Shawnee Mission Hospital and Overland Park.

Did you do contingency planning for complications?  How much was it going to cost for a preemie?

[Emo EMAW]

It's not lack of transparency.  All you have to do is like not be Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and ask for pricing.

It's no different than a Toyota dealership.  "Hi Mr. Sys, the during the inspection the tech noticed your cabin air filter is dirty, would you like us to replace that?"

Now, here's where some of you are Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and the rest of you aren't.

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!):  "Sure."
Non-Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!):  "How much is it?  ("It's $20.")  Oh okay, yes please do that."

in california, by state law, when you request any automotive repair or service you are presented with an itemized estimate of the cost of each service or repair which you must sign.  that is transparency.

and your fantasy about hospitals being happy to document and estimate prices prior to performing work is complete bullshit.  congratulations that you found a hospital that was eager and able to do that for one of the services they offer.  it is well documented that it is not easy to get most/many hospitals to do so for many/most services they offer.

I got 2 FWIW, and neither was difficult.

LOL, no you didn't.

We absolutely did.  Shawnee Mission Hospital and Overland Park.

Did you do contingency planning for complications?  How much was it going to cost for a preemie?

We didn't contingency plan, no.  Young, healthy people.  Also I would imagine that if hospital A were higher for basic services than hospital B, they would also be higher for the services required by the contingencies you mentioned.

[MakeItRain]

It's not lack of transparency.  All you have to do is like not be Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and ask for pricing.

It's no different than a Toyota dealership.  "Hi Mr. Sys, the during the inspection the tech noticed your cabin air filter is dirty, would you like us to replace that?"

Now, here's where some of you are Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and the rest of you aren't.

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!):  "Sure."
Non-Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!):  "How much is it?  ("It's $20.")  Oh okay, yes please do that."

in california, by state law, when you request any automotive repair or service you are presented with an itemized estimate of the cost of each service or repair which you must sign.  that is transparency.

and your fantasy about hospitals being happy to document and estimate prices prior to performing work is complete bullshit.  congratulations that you found a hospital that was eager and able to do that for one of the services they offer.  it is well documented that it is not easy to get most/many hospitals to do so for many/most services they offer.

I got 2 FWIW, and neither was difficult.

LOL, no you didn't.

We absolutely did.  Shawnee Mission Hospital and Overland Park.

Did you do contingency planning for complications?  How much was it going to cost for a preemie?

We didn't contingency plan, no.  Young, healthy people.  Also I would imagine that if hospital A were higher for basic services than hospital B, they would also be higher for the services required by the contingencies you mentioned.

Young, healthy people? With each post you make your knowledge of the childbirth process seem less and less.

[Emo EMAW]

You think we should have contingency planned?  Why?  Curious especially considering you're stupid enough to walk into a hospital and not know eff all about what it's going to cost you. 

[Emo EMAW]

I bet you think "who cares Obama got my back." 

[MakeItRain]

You think we should have contingency planned?  Why?  Curious especially considering you're stupid enough to walk into a hospital and not know eff all about what it's going to cost you.

If you don't know how risky childbirth is and you've supposedly had a kid there's nothing I can say to convince you. If you're not lying you're just incredibly dense about the process. Also if you actually read the thread I told you that our cost of having both of our children was predetermined because of the insurance we had at the time. Our first kid cost us $250, our second $375.

Why would Obama have my back

[Emo EMAW]

Only had one healthy birth so pardon my lack of experience.  I'd like to hear your process for contingency planning.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I'm pretty sure I'd end up paying the same out of pocket regardless, but I'd like to think I'd shop hospitals out of a civic duty to keep healthcare costs down.

[renocat]

Thanks Obama for a $600 defacto pay cut.  Your wonderful healthcare caused my premiums to go up $50 a month and the deductible $1000.  Whh the hell do I have to subsidize healthcare for winos and deadbeats.  Why do I have to pay for maternity coverage.  The closet I'll ever get to pregnancy is bad constipation.  Hillary Hellcare will be worse especially if we give care to millions pouring into America.  This is like a stealth tax.