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Mute (Netlfix). Not a great story. Sometimes kinda confusing. But Paul Rudd was terrific. And holy crap this movie is set in the same universe as Moon!! The 5 second cameo of Astronauts Sam Bell (Sam Rockwell) in the courtroom on the news made Mute worth watching. And if you haven't watched Moon, watch Moon.

The Titan (Netflix). Decent. Worth watching even if it does get pretty goofy at the end.

I Don't Feel At Home In This World Anymore (Netlix). Pretty good. Worth watching.

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I’m on a bad run of Netflix movies. I Am Mother wasn’t all that good. These movies have interesting premises and some A List actors and high production budgets but they’re just kinda meh.

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You are arguing it's an overaction but the same thing can still happen in Wichita and won't have the capacity to treat everyone.

Arguing it would never happen without controls is idiotic

Come on now. That’s pretty silly to say that Wichita is at comparable risk to NYC. We’ve got to start using some common sense here. Hell, even the models at this point seem to be recognizing the greater importance of population density.

Lack of density in say a Wichita also means they have less capacity to handle an outbreak that could break out without monitoring / testing that we didn't have when the lockdowns started (and still don't have).

Blaming "cities" is always fun way to fool yourself in believing "that can't happen here"

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/are-crowded-cities-the-reason-for-the-covid-19-pandemic/

It’s actually the opposite. South Central Kansas (Wichita, Hutch, Newton) has about 5.5 hospital beds per 1,000 capita. NYC is close to 2.5. So Wichita has more than double the bed capacity of NYC.

By contrast, Wichita has a population density of 2,146/sqmi. New York City is 26,403/sqmi. So only a mere 10 times denser.

NYC also has a subway. It fact, the most heavily used mass transit system in the county (I think the world) by far. Wichita doesn’t.

So, to recap:
Wichita: twice the hospital capacity, 10% the density, 0 petri dish subway.
New York City: half the hospital capacity, 1000% density, 1 petri dish subway.

The two cities are not anywhere near comparable. The risk is not anywhere near comparable. The approach should not have been anywhere near comparable.

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You are arguing it's an overaction but the same thing can still happen in Wichita and won't have the capacity to treat everyone.

Arguing it would never happen without controls is idiotic

Come on now. That’s pretty silly to say that Wichita is at comparable risk to NYC. We’ve got to start using some common sense here. Hell, even the models at this point seem to be recognizing the greater importance of population density.

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Someone want to summarize the swede numbers while I am on this zoom call?

18 deaths per million vs. our 7.6
9 per thousand tested vs. our 11
11.5% CFR vs. our 5.5%

but thinking they are at heard immunity "within weeks"

That's the key. Extreme shutdown orders likely help to "flatten the curve," but they also likely prolong the curve. I think Sweden's approach will likely be vindicated. Here's an interesting interview with a key architect of their approach explaining why.

https://unherd.com/thepost/coming-up-epidemiologist-prof-johan-giesecke-shares-lessons-from-sweden/

Also, here's in interesting, simple statistical analysis comparing the states and countries that imposed shutdowns to those that simply recommended less draconian social distancing measures.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/04/22/there-is-no-empirical-evidence-for-these-lockdowns/

and we had to flatten the curve based on the models that our hospitals would be overrun.  Everybody knew that would lengthen the curve too, that's not groundbreaking info.  Guess we'll know if Sweden is vindicated in 18-24 months.  Right now their deaths per million are real high.

I'm not disputing what the models said, but I think with the exception of NYC the models may have way exaggerated the risk of overrunning the healthcare system. One of the many ironies of our response is that census levels have plummeted for a great many hospitals due to these shutdown orders, causing a lot of financial hardship. My wife is under contract and she was still asked to take a voluntary paycut. It's crazy.

Agreed, it's crazy that our health care system has a financial incentive to hospitalize as many people as possible

Rusty are you just trolling or being serious? Are you saying endoscopies and knee replacements are frivolous? There is a ton of necessary care being cancelled and delayed because of the shutdown.

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I can't imagine many NYC residents are going to reflect back on this and think "gee, we should have done less to slow the spread". It'll be different in Wichita

Well yes, but that's kind of the point. Nobody really thinks that actions appropriate for NYC were likewise appropriate for most of the rest of the country, right? There's not much point in arguing in the abstract here. Let's get specific...

Kansas overreacted. We overreacted in shutting down schools for the rest of the year instead of taking a more incremental approach. We overreacted in issuing a one-size-fits-all statewide stay-at-home order when JOCO/WDOT is vastly different from the rest of the state. Our stay-at-home order was probably never going to be necessary or effective anyway given how many "essential" business remained open, but it sure managed to inflict a lot of damage in the meantime. We're looking at a tax revenue shortfall of over a billion dollars this year. Kansas screwed up. And I sympathize with Kelly making some tough decisions at the time, but it doesn't mean we keep going down this road.

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Someone want to summarize the swede numbers while I am on this zoom call?

18 deaths per million vs. our 7.6
9 per thousand tested vs. our 11
11.5% CFR vs. our 5.5%

but thinking they are at heard immunity "within weeks"

That's the key. Extreme shutdown orders likely help to "flatten the curve," but they also likely prolong the curve. I think Sweden's approach will likely be vindicated. Here's an interesting interview with a key architect of their approach explaining why.

https://unherd.com/thepost/coming-up-epidemiologist-prof-johan-giesecke-shares-lessons-from-sweden/

Also, here's in interesting, simple statistical analysis comparing the states and countries that imposed shutdowns to those that simply recommended less draconian social distancing measures.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/04/22/there-is-no-empirical-evidence-for-these-lockdowns/

and we had to flatten the curve based on the models that our hospitals would be overrun.  Everybody knew that would lengthen the curve too, that's not groundbreaking info.  Guess we'll know if Sweden is vindicated in 18-24 months.  Right now their deaths per million are real high.

I'm not disputing what the models said, but I think with the exception of NYC the models may have way exaggerated the risk of overrunning the healthcare system. One of the many ironies of our response is that census levels have plummeted for a great many hospitals due to these shutdown orders, causing a lot of financial hardship. My wife is under contract and she was still asked to take a voluntary paycut. It's crazy.

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It wasn't as bad as Last Jedi. But yeah, it was a mess.

Watched Netflix's The Discovery. It was ok. Interesting premise, good actors, good ending. Kind of a slog though. At least 15 minutes too long.

I've come around to believing that Last Jedi is the best of the new trilogy. It's not great, either, but 7 and 9 just feel like fan service.

Well, sure they were fan service. But that alone does not a bad movie make. Force Awakens was well packaged and enjoyable, which makes it the “best” of this trilogy to me. Last Jedi’s plotting was a train wreck. The final act was strong but that doesn’t redeem the movie.

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Someone want to summarize the swede numbers while I am on this zoom call?

18 deaths per million vs. our 7.6
9 per thousand tested vs. our 11
11.5% CFR vs. our 5.5%

but thinking they are at heard immunity "within weeks"

That's the key. Extreme shutdown orders likely help to "flatten the curve," but they also likely prolong the curve. I think Sweden's approach will likely be vindicated. Here's an interesting interview with a key architect of their approach explaining why.

https://unherd.com/thepost/coming-up-epidemiologist-prof-johan-giesecke-shares-lessons-from-sweden/

Also, here's in interesting, simple statistical analysis comparing the states and countries that imposed shutdowns to those that simply recommended less draconian social distancing measures.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/04/22/there-is-no-empirical-evidence-for-these-lockdowns/


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It wasn't as bad as Last Jedi. But yeah, it was a mess.

Watched Netflix's The Discovery. It was ok. Interesting premise, good actors, good ending. Kind of a slog though. At least 15 minutes too long.

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When does school end? I honestly don't know, but I'm assuming second week of May?

Schools are supposed to still be shut down during the next phase of opening anyway, so I'm not sure your gotcha is as strong as you think it is.

I think I’m Wichita it went until the 23rd. And not a gotcha - I legit hope that isn’t influencing her decision re the stay-at-home order. It’s interesting to me that Colorado (Dem gov, worse numbers) is ahead of Kelly on this.

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Reposting because this may have been overlooked while Rusty was debating good leadership traits with the Navy SEAL.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/colorado-governor-will-let-stay-at-home-order-expire-on-monday-as-some-businesses-begin-to-reopen

Colorado will start rolling back its statewide stay-at-home order on April 27. Kansas's order is in effect until at least May 3.

As of today,* Colorado has 449 deaths (78/MM) and 10,106 confirmed cases (1,755/MM). Kansas has 107 deaths (36.7/MM) and 2,025 (695/MM).

Kelly was the first governor in the nation to shut down schools through the end of the school year. If she does not likewise extend the stay-at-home order through the same time period, this might call into question her earlier decision, perhaps justifiably so. I hope this is not an influencing factor.

*assuming these numbers are accurate, and the probably aren't, but hopefully they are at least somewhat equally flawed.

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Kdub, answer this honestly (other resident trump voters feel free to answer as well). Would you work for a person exactly like trump? Would you hire a person exactly like trump?

Would I work the president? Absolutely. Would I work for him in my current capacity? No. Would I hire him? No. He doesn't fit my line of work. I'm an attorney.

You're absolutely no fun when you're backed into a corner to defend this clown. We both know you would stay as far away from him in business as you could.

You may have misunderstood my answer because I think I conceded what you were looking for. I wouldn’t want to work for Trump, or have him work for me, because the legal profession is (or should be) premised firmly in fact and law. Trump would be a terrible lawyer (and I’ve seen plenty of terrible lawyers). But Trump isn’t a lawyer. He’s a businessman turned politician. So I’m not sure what point you were trying to make, but I think I conceded what you want. I am not a blind Trump defender (there’s a thread somewhere where I’ve detailed my criticisms). I defend him against stupid attacks, of which there are many.

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I watched that eyepatch guy, was pretty hilarous that his closing was that trump's just an optimistic guy and a calm leader when he says "I've gotta hunch that this will be gone by april". oh and did he mention he mentioned that in the book?

Well, since most won't watch the video I'll post the transcript of the part you are referencing - just to show what an ass you are being.

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Maher: I don't understand how someone with your resume - you were in Fallujah for God's sakes - would you want someone a a  commander to say that to you, to blame everybody else if something goes wrong and then just say "you know I have a hunch the enemy's not going to be in there but let's attack."

Crenshaw: Sure, no, I understand that, so here's how I would describe my answer to that: when bullets are flying past my head, I don't need to raise my voice. I write about this in my book, too, calm breeds calm, panic breeds panic. Um, you know, being an optimistic... excusing positivity and calmness in crisis is exactly how we ask our SEALs to lead.

As a decorate war hero yourself, Rusty, do you disagree?

I disagree that Trump has ever been an example of a leader who is positive and calm. I'm not sure if Trump has been optimistic, but I'd prefer a leader who is realistic or even cautious rather than irrationally optimistic during a pandemic, or a war

Ok - so Rusty disagrees with the SEALs about what the importance of confidence and optimism to leadership. Noted. I guess you would say the same for FDR. Sure wish we had been second-guessing every action back then, too. Would have worked out swell and our country sure would be the better for it.

As Crenshaw notes in another portion of the interview most of you won't watch, this current whining is consistent with the liberal theme of losing their crap over things Trump says - often to pump up confidence - as opposed to his actual actions.

I personally think Crenshaw is MAGA grifter first, Navy SEAL second (or third)

Quoting for posterity. Ridiculing a war hero as MAGA (by the way, he isn't and has often criticized Trump on foreign policy). What an ass.

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Kdub, answer this honestly (other resident trump voters feel free to answer as well). Would you work for a person exactly like trump? Would you hire a person exactly like trump?

Would I work for the President of the United States? Absolutely. I'd say the sme for Obama or any other POTUS. Would I work for him in my current capacity? No. Would I hire him? No. He doesn't fit my line of work. I'm an attorney.

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I watched that eyepatch guy, was pretty hilarous that his closing was that trump's just an optimistic guy and a calm leader when he says "I've gotta hunch that this will be gone by april". oh and did he mention he mentioned that in the book?

Well, since most won't watch the video I'll post the transcript of the part you are referencing - just to show what an ass you are being.

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Maher: I don't understand how someone with your resume - you were in Fallujah for God's sakes - would you want someone a a  commander to say that to you, to blame everybody else if something goes wrong and then just say "you know I have a hunch the enemy's not going to be in there but let's attack."

Crenshaw: Sure, no, I understand that, so here's how I would describe my answer to that: when bullets are flying past my head, I don't need to raise my voice. I write about this in my book, too, calm breeds calm, panic breeds panic. Um, you know, being an optimistic... excusing positivity and calmness in crisis is exactly how we ask our SEALs to lead.

As a decorate war hero yourself, Rusty, do you disagree?

I disagree that Trump has ever been an example of a leader who is positive and calm. I'm not sure if Trump has been optimistic, but I'd prefer a leader who is realistic or even cautious rather than irrationally optimistic during a pandemic, or a war

Ok - so Rusty disagrees with the SEALs about what the importance of confidence and optimism to leadership. Noted. I guess you would say the same for FDR. Sure wish we had been second-guessing every action back then, too. Would have worked out swell and our country sure would be the better for it.

As Crenshaw notes in another portion of the interview most of you won't watch, this current whining is consistent with the liberal theme of losing their crap over things Trump says - often to pump up confidence - as opposed to his actual actions.

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I watched that eyepatch guy, was pretty hilarous that his closing was that trump's just an optimistic guy and a calm leader when he says "I've gotta hunch that this will be gone by april". oh and did he mention he mentioned that in the book?

Well, since most won't watch the video I'll post the transcript of the part you are referencing - just to show what an ass you are being.

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Maher: I don't understand how someone with your resume - you were in Fallujah for God's sakes - would you want someone a a  commander to say that to you, to blame everybody else if something goes wrong and then just say "you know I have a hunch the enemy's not going to be in there but let's attack."

Crenshaw: Sure, no, I understand that, so here's how I would describe my answer to that: when bullets are flying past my head, I don't need to raise my voice. I write about this in my book, too, calm breeds calm, panic breeds panic. Um, you know, being an optimistic... excuding positivity and calmness in crisis is exactly how we ask our SEALs to lead.

As a decorate war hero yourself, Rusty, do you disagree?

To everyone else who isn't a complete chode, you should watch the video in it's entirety. Crenshaw makes a lot of very reasonable points. It isn't all that often when Maher is utterly shut down (and kudos to him for being one of the few libs who isn't afriad to bring on conservative guests for fair and robust debates). That's pretty much what happens here.

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We should all be able to agree that we ought to extend our elected leaders a little bit of grace in these situations, understanding that in light of such crappy information they had to plan for the worst. But we should also all be able to agree that our elected leaders have taken actions guided by political considerations.

There's a lot of things we whould be able to agree upon. Instead it's non-stop political sniping. "Oooh but Trump does it, too." Trump's finger-pointing is mainly to point out the hypocrisy of his critics. And to deservedly point the finger at China and the WHO.


Agree with most of your statements but not these two.  in the first there is no way in hell you can say Trump planned for the worst in this situation.  He was making jokes at rallies about it into March.  He in no way should have even been having rallies if he was planning for the worst.  We didn't get our ducks in a row when we had the chance.  That wasn't planning for the worst.

In the 2nd, Trump's finger pointing is almost exclusively to push the blame off of himself.  "obama didn't have testing system setup", "WHO gave us bad info", "governors didn't have their crap together", "media is blowing this up", "this will all go away in the summer", "such a nasty question" "stockpiles are empty" etc. etc.  All paraphrasing of different excuses he made to very specific questions about why we didn't have testing together sooner, why are there delays in our national plan to this, etc. etc.  He can only go back to one thing, he did a partial stop of people coming in from China.  That's it.  It wasn't enough.  He in none of those situations is point out hypocrisy, he is only trying to get the blame off of his lap.  Tune in right now and see him do it again.

Re your first point, watch the video. Crenshaw addresses that. Namely, had Trump shut down the economy back when only had a couple hundred deaths people - Dems included - would have lost their crap. It's a dumb talking point.

Re your second point, I agree Trump does a lot of finger pointing at others (I would also agree, as I've frequently said, that Trump is by and large an obnoxious bad person). But, uh, China and the WHO deserve a LOT of blame.

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/colorado-governor-will-let-stay-at-home-order-expire-on-monday-as-some-businesses-begin-to-reopen

Colorado will start rolling back its statewide stay-at-home order on April 27. Kansas's order is in effect until at least May 3.

As of today,* Colorado has 449 deaths (78/MM) and 10,106 confirmed cases (1,755/MM). Kansas has 107 deaths (36.7/MM) and 2,025 (695/MM).

Kelly was the first governor in the nation to shut down schools through the end of the school year. If she does not likewise extend the stay-at-home order through the same time period, this might call into question her earlier decision, perhaps justifiably so. I hope this is not an influencing factor.

*assuming these numbers are accurate, and the probably aren't, but hopefully they are at least somewhat equally flawed.

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So he was taking it seriously while saying it's a hoax? That's a bit of a stretch even for Herr dax of the trump propaganda defense league.

He was calling the Democratic response in him not taking it seriously a hoax.   

You obviously didn't read the article I posted, because it runs counter to what your leaders tell you to believe and to say, like a little parrot boy.

Useful Idiot:  Thy name is LibDork .9

SMDH, sad

I think we can all agree it was not a good run of words together for him, but that's no different than any of his rallies.  His followers don't really care what he says anyways. 

He has way bigger sins in this COVID-19 vent than using the word hoax at a rally, we can all agree with that.

We should all be able to agree that Trump, and all our elected leaders, have made mistakes.

We should all be able to agree that Trump was "warned" of this virus just as he was likely warned of hundreds of threats that never came to pass.

We should all be able to agree that Trump downplayed the severity of the virus, just like many democrats and the media but I repeat myself did the same exact thing.

We should all be able to agree that our elected leaders were making decisions based upon questionable information from China, the WHO, and other agenices, questionable and incomplete data, and the speculative models resulting therefrom.

We should all be able to agree that we ought to extend our elected leaders a little bit of grace in these situations, understanding that in light of such crappy information they had to plan for the worst. But we should also all be able to agree that our elected leaders have taken actions guided by political considerations.

There's a lot of things we whould be able to agree upon. Instead it's non-stop political sniping. "Oooh but Trump does it, too." Trump's finger-pointing is mainly to point out the hypocrisy of his critics. And to deservedly point the finger at China and the WHO.

Have any of you actually watched the Crenshaw vid I posted? You should watch it. He covers this pretty effectively.

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1251644816611573760


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Netflix's Okja. Man I really wanted to like this. Fun premise. Great actors. Tilda Swinton being all Tilda. Wacky Jake Gyllenhaal (jeez that name is hard to spell right). But the movie just... wasn't... good. Not bad, per se. Just, so, so meh. I mean how do you make a movie about GMO'd super pigs in a dystopian future, get a bunch of fun actors, and arrive at such a muddled mess of a meh? Oh look, it's another Bong Joon-ho movie.

Netflix's How it Ends. Critics warned me this movie sucked. Critics were right. That's one for the critics.

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Guess nothing's changed afterall. The same twitfoilers gonna twitfoil. "This is all Trump's fault etc etc etc." Gross. Ok then, I'll leave you to it.  :thumbs:

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When you begin your pandemic response by calling it a hoax perpetrated by democrats, I think you win the finger pointing contest. Sit down kdub, good grief.

Trump did not call the virus a hoax. He was referring to the fear-mongering - the same thing Bill Maher correctly dubs "panic porn."

Plenty of his brain dead supporters, you included, are out there either minimizing the impact of Covid or outright calling it a hoax.  So yeah Trump effectively called it a hoax.  Own it.

Is Nancy Pelosi a Trump supporter?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-HAZsXPm6A[/youtube]

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https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/1252633837357748225

Couldn't have been more wrong on that one.  Pretty SOP for Trump but damn.

Add it to the list of things he should be in prison for but probably nothing will happen.

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The nationwide study was not a rigorous experiment. But with 368 patients, it’s the largest look so far of hydroxychloroquine with or without the antibiotic azithromycin for COVID-19, which has killed more than 171,000 people as of Tuesday.

The study was posted on an online site for researchers and has has not been reviewed by other scientists. Grants from the National Institutes of Health and the University of Virginia paid for the work.

Researchers analyzed medical records of 368 male veterans hospitalized with confirmed coronavirus infection at Veterans Health Administration medical centers who died or were discharged by April 11.

About 28% who were given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died, versus 11% of those getting routine care alone. About 22% of those getting the drug plus azithromycin died too, but the difference between that group and usual care was not considered large enough to rule out other factors that could have affected survival.

The Pit At Its Best: "THIS HEADLINE ON TWITTER IS ONE MORE REASON ORANGE MAN SHOULD BE IN PRISON! eff HIM AND HIS OPTIMISM!!!"

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