"Obamacare"

[sys]

i thought k-s-u was trying to carve out a role for himself as the rational superconservative poster.  i guess i was wrong.

[chum1]

I'm not dodging a question.  I agree that Congress wants better benefits than those offered by Obamacare.  I'm saying there's nothing wrong with that.  Just like there's nothing wrong with them wanting better pay than minimum wage.

[8manpick]

So my employer subsidizes the crap out of whatever insurance I buy. They also subsidize the crap out of the insurance bought by the people in my company who make way more money than congressmen. Why, exactly, should the congressmen's employer not subsidize the cost of their insurance?  Because it is taxpayer money?

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I'm not dodging a question.  I agree that Congress wants better benefits than those offered by Obamacare.  I'm saying there's nothing wrong with that.  Just like there's nothing wrong with them wanting better pay than minimum wage.

That analogy fails because you are once again ignoring the nature of Obamacare. Obamacare requires that people purchase insurance, an expensive product made more expensive by the fact that Obamacare mandates certain minimum levels of coverage. Yet the subsidies that Congress chose to dole out to these poor slobs, to help cover some of the cost of the policies, are far less than the generous subsidies members of Congress receive - subsidies that Congress lobbied the President to protect despite the anti-hypocrisy provision in the law which they inserted, and was intended to require that they participate in Obamacare, in the same manner, with the same subsidies, as all of the common folk they were foisting Obamacare on. If you can't understand this, I give up.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

So my employer subsidizes the crap out of whatever insurance I buy. They also subsidize the crap out of the insurance bought by the people in my company who make way more money than congressmen. Why, exactly, should the congressmen's employer not subsidize the cost of their insurance?  Because it is taxpayer money?

Did your employer craft Obamacare? You're missing the point.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I'm not dodging a question.  I agree that Congress wants better benefits than those offered by Obamacare.  I'm saying there's nothing wrong with that.  Just like there's nothing wrong with them wanting better pay than minimum wage.

That analogy fails because you are once again ignoring the nature of Obamacare. Obamacare requires that people purchase insurance, an expensive product made more expensive by the fact that Obamacare mandates certain minimum levels of coverage. Yet the subsidies that Congress chose to dole out to these poor slobs, to help cover some of the cost of the policies, are far less than the generous subsidies members of Congress receive - subsidies that Congress lobbied the President to protect despite the anti-hypocrisy provision in the law which they inserted, and was intended to require that they participate in Obamacare, in the same manner, with the same subsidies, as all of the common folk they were foisting Obamacare on. If you can't understand this, I give up.

So you don't think we should employ insurance to congressmen? They should just be on the hook for that themselves?

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

In more hilarious news, here's a handy moniker to remember the Obamacare national hotline: 1-800-F1U-CKYO. Satan has a sense of humor.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I'm not dodging a question.  I agree that Congress wants better benefits than those offered by Obamacare.  I'm saying there's nothing wrong with that.  Just like there's nothing wrong with them wanting better pay than minimum wage.

That analogy fails because you are once again ignoring the nature of Obamacare. Obamacare requires that people purchase insurance, an expensive product made more expensive by the fact that Obamacare mandates certain minimum levels of coverage. Yet the subsidies that Congress chose to dole out to these poor slobs, to help cover some of the cost of the policies, are far less than the generous subsidies members of Congress receive - subsidies that Congress lobbied the President to protect despite the anti-hypocrisy provision in the law which they inserted, and was intended to require that they participate in Obamacare, in the same manner, with the same subsidies, as all of the common folk they were foisting Obamacare on. If you can't understand this, I give up.

So you don't think we should employ insurance to congressmen? They should just be on the hook for that themselves?

No, they should receive the same subsidies for their over-inflated Obamacare plans as everyone else, which was the point of the anti-hypocrisy provision they themselves inserted in the bill, and then had to go running to the Obama Admin to craft a rule fixing their conundrum. I feel like I've explained this about 20 trillion times....

[8manpick]

So my employer subsidizes the crap out of whatever insurance I buy. They also subsidize the crap out of the insurance bought by the people in my company who make way more money than congressmen. Why, exactly, should the congressmen's employer not subsidize the cost of their insurance?  Because it is taxpayer money?

Did your employer craft Obamacare? You're missing the point.

So what? I don't think there is a point there. Do other federal government employees pay the full price of their insurance, or does their employer subsidize it somewhat?

Whether said insurance is bought through a private insurer or an ACA exchange seems inconsequential.

[8manpick]

Is the anti-hipocracy provision the thing that LSOC quoted  a page or so ago? If so, there isn't anything there stipulating what part of that they need to pay themselves.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I'm not dodging a question.  I agree that Congress wants better benefits than those offered by Obamacare.  I'm saying there's nothing wrong with that.  Just like there's nothing wrong with them wanting better pay than minimum wage.

That analogy fails because you are once again ignoring the nature of Obamacare. Obamacare requires that people purchase insurance, an expensive product made more expensive by the fact that Obamacare mandates certain minimum levels of coverage. Yet the subsidies that Congress chose to dole out to these poor slobs, to help cover some of the cost of the policies, are far less than the generous subsidies members of Congress receive - subsidies that Congress lobbied the President to protect despite the anti-hypocrisy provision in the law which they inserted, and was intended to require that they participate in Obamacare, in the same manner, with the same subsidies, as all of the common folk they were foisting Obamacare on. If you can't understand this, I give up.

So you don't think we should employ insurance to congressmen? They should just be on the hook for that themselves?

No, they should receive the same subsidies for their over-inflated Obamacare plans as everyone else, which was the point of the anti-hypocrisy provision they themselves inserted in the bill, and then had to go running to the Obama Admin to craft a rule fixing their conundrum. I feel like I've explained this about 20 trillion times....

Who are you referring to when you say "everyone else"? My employer pays for my insurance in its entirety.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I'm not dodging a question.  I agree that Congress wants better benefits than those offered by Obamacare.  I'm saying there's nothing wrong with that.  Just like there's nothing wrong with them wanting better pay than minimum wage.

That analogy fails because you are once again ignoring the nature of Obamacare. Obamacare requires that people purchase insurance, an expensive product made more expensive by the fact that Obamacare mandates certain minimum levels of coverage. Yet the subsidies that Congress chose to dole out to these poor slobs, to help cover some of the cost of the policies, are far less than the generous subsidies members of Congress receive - subsidies that Congress lobbied the President to protect despite the anti-hypocrisy provision in the law which they inserted, and was intended to require that they participate in Obamacare, in the same manner, with the same subsidies, as all of the common folk they were foisting Obamacare on. If you can't understand this, I give up.

So you don't think we should employ insurance to congressmen? They should just be on the hook for that themselves?

No, they should receive the same subsidies for their over-inflated Obamacare plans as everyone else, which was the point of the anti-hypocrisy provision they themselves inserted in the bill, and then had to go running to the Obama Admin to craft a rule fixing their conundrum. I feel like I've explained this about 20 trillion times....

Who are you referring to when you say "everyone else"? My employer pays for my insurance in its entirety.

The people who don't get their insurance through their employer. As I've said before, not everyone has to purchase their healthcare on the individual market, and those who receive it through their employers aren't eligible for subsidies anyway.

[michigancat]

The people who don't get their insurance through their employer. As I've said before, not everyone has to purchase their healthcare on the individual market, and those who receive it through their employers aren't eligible for subsidies anyway.

I agree with K-S-U, those people should receive larger subsidies.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

The people who don't get their insurance through their employer. As I've said before, not everyone has to purchase their healthcare on the individual market, and those who receive it through their employers aren't eligible for subsidies anyway.

I agree with K-S-U, those people should receive larger subsidies.

Exactly. That, or maybe subsidies wouldn't have been necessary if we hadn't mandated minimum coverage levels and guaranteed issue, thereby raising premiums. Oh crap, that was the whole point of Obamacare! Never mind. Let's just go back to what we've got, and face that fact that members of Congress who crafted this turd just shouldn't have to pay nearly as much as the serfs, because they're special. Gotta avoid that "brain drain" and all....

[8manpick]

The people who don't get their insurance through their employer. As I've said before, not everyone has to purchase their healthcare on the individual market, and those who receive it through their employers aren't eligible for subsidies anyway.

I agree with K-S-U, those people should receive larger subsidies.

Exactly. That, or maybe subsidies wouldn't have been necessary if we hadn't mandated minimum coverage levels and guaranteed issue, thereby raising premiums. Oh crap, that was the whole point of Obamacare! Never mind. Let's just go back to what we've got, and face that fact that members of Congress who crafted this turd just shouldn't have to pay nearly as much as the serfs, because they 're special have jobs of a level that should reasonably expect to have insurance paid as part of the benefits package. Gotta avoid that "brain drain" and all....

[Institutional Control]

i thought k-s-u was trying to carve out a role for himself as the rational superconservative poster.  i guess i was wrong.

Where did you ever get that idea?

[Dugout DickStone]

The people who don't get their insurance through their employer. As I've said before, not everyone has to purchase their healthcare on the individual market, and those who receive it through their employers aren't eligible for subsidies anyway.

I agree with K-S-U, those people should receive larger subsidies.

Agreed.  K-S-U hit it.

[michigancat]

The people who don't get their insurance through their employer. As I've said before, not everyone has to purchase their healthcare on the individual market, and those who receive it through their employers aren't eligible for subsidies anyway.

I agree with K-S-U, those people should receive larger subsidies.

Exactly. That, or maybe subsidies wouldn't have been necessary if we hadn't mandated minimum coverage levels and guaranteed issue, thereby raising premiums. Oh crap, that was the whole point of Obamacare! Never mind. Let's just go back to what we've got, and face that fact that members of Congress who crafted this turd just shouldn't have to pay nearly as much as the serfs, because they're special. Gotta avoid that "brain drain" and all....

If Obamacare is repealed we should make it mandatory Congress take the previous minimum insurance. (no insurance)

If it's good enough for the public, it should be good enough for Congress. We are going to fix America, K-S-U.

[Rage Against the McKee]

The people who don't get their insurance through their employer. As I've said before, not everyone has to purchase their healthcare on the individual market, and those who receive it through their employers aren't eligible for subsidies anyway.

I agree with K-S-U, those people should receive larger subsidies.

Exactly. That, or maybe subsidies wouldn't have been necessary if we hadn't mandated minimum coverage levels and guaranteed issue, thereby raising premiums. Oh crap, that was the whole point of Obamacare! Never mind. Let's just go back to what we've got, and face that fact that members of Congress who crafted this turd just shouldn't have to pay nearly as much as the serfs, because they're special. Gotta avoid that "brain drain" and all....

If Obamacare is repealed we should make it mandatory Congress take the previous minimum insurance. (no insurance)

If it's good enough for the public, it should be good enough for Congress. We are going to fix America, K-S-U.

Yeah. It would be less than a month before we had single payer healthcare under that scenario.

[ednksu]

I'm not dodging a question.  I agree that Congress wants better benefits than those offered by Obamacare.  I'm saying there's nothing wrong with that.  Just like there's nothing wrong with them wanting better pay than minimum wage.

That analogy fails because you are once again ignoring the nature of Obamacare. Obamacare requires that people purchase insurance, an expensive product made more expensive by the fact that Obamacare mandates certain minimum levels of coverage. Yet the subsidies that Congress chose to dole out to these poor slobs, to help cover some of the cost of the policies, are far less than the generous subsidies members of Congress receive - subsidies that Congress lobbied the President to protect despite the anti-hypocrisy provision in the law which they inserted, and was intended to require that they participate in Obamacare, in the same manner, with the same subsidies, as all of the common folk they were foisting Obamacare on. If you can't understand this, I give up.

please learn what the 27th Amendment is

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

The people who don't get their insurance through their employer. As I've said before, not everyone has to purchase their healthcare on the individual market, and those who receive it through their employers aren't eligible for subsidies anyway.

I agree with K-S-U, those people should receive larger subsidies.

Exactly. That, or maybe subsidies wouldn't have been necessary if we hadn't mandated minimum coverage levels and guaranteed issue, thereby raising premiums. Oh crap, that was the whole point of Obamacare! Never mind. Let's just go back to what we've got, and face that fact that members of Congress who crafted this turd just shouldn't have to pay nearly as much as the serfs, because they're special. Gotta avoid that "brain drain" and all....

If Obamacare is repealed we should make it mandatory Congress take the previous minimum insurance. (no insurance)

If it's good enough for the public, it should be good enough for Congress. We are going to fix America, K-S-U.

If Obamacare is repealed, how about members of Congress be permitted to purchase whatever insurance they want, at whatever price they can get, without subsidies? Fair compromise?

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

i thought k-s-u was trying to carve out a role for himself as the rational superconservative poster.  i guess i was wrong.

Where did you ever get that idea?

Sheesh... I'm a moderate.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

The people who don't get their insurance through their employer. As I've said before, not everyone has to purchase their healthcare on the individual market, and those who receive it through their employers aren't eligible for subsidies anyway.

I agree with K-S-U, those people should receive larger subsidies.

Exactly. That, or maybe subsidies wouldn't have been necessary if we hadn't mandated minimum coverage levels and guaranteed issue, thereby raising premiums. Oh crap, that was the whole point of Obamacare! Never mind. Let's just go back to what we've got, and face that fact that members of Congress who crafted this turd just shouldn't have to pay nearly as much as the serfs, because they're special. Gotta avoid that "brain drain" and all....

If Obamacare is repealed we should make it mandatory Congress take the previous minimum insurance. (no insurance)

If it's good enough for the public, it should be good enough for Congress. We are going to fix America, K-S-U.

I agree with this. Congress is supposed to be a voluntary service performed by people interested in public service for a short time. It's become a very lucrative self serving career and just the opposite of public service.

[michigancat]

The people who don't get their insurance through their employer. As I've said before, not everyone has to purchase their healthcare on the individual market, and those who receive it through their employers aren't eligible for subsidies anyway.

I agree with K-S-U, those people should receive larger subsidies.

Exactly. That, or maybe subsidies wouldn't have been necessary if we hadn't mandated minimum coverage levels and guaranteed issue, thereby raising premiums. Oh crap, that was the whole point of Obamacare! Never mind. Let's just go back to what we've got, and face that fact that members of Congress who crafted this turd just shouldn't have to pay nearly as much as the serfs, because they're special. Gotta avoid that "brain drain" and all....

If Obamacare is repealed we should make it mandatory Congress take the previous minimum insurance. (no insurance)

If it's good enough for the public, it should be good enough for Congress. We are going to fix America, K-S-U.

If Obamacare is repealed, how about members of Congress be permitted to purchase whatever insurance they want, at whatever price they can get, without subsidies? Fair compromise?

You better not let their employer pay for it!

[steve dave]

In more hilarious news, here's a handy moniker to remember the Obamacare national hotline: 1-800-F1U-CKYO. Satan has a sense of humor.

good grief dude