we had _____ and gave it away

[p1k3]

even after Currie's fiasco I think the right hire could have kept the program from sinking into apathy

I think it's 25% because Currie is a dumb eff that hates K-State and 75% that oscar is a super loser

[kitten_mittons]

Morbid curiosity, if you had to choose just one of these two choices, which is the biggest reason why these things listed in this thread are gone: because Frank is gone, or because oscar is here?

oscar.  Most expect his tenure here to resemble his at Illinois.  We assumed he would have a solid team for the first few years and slowly drop into mediocrity.  When you are not doing well, and have very little hope for improvement, it's really hard to get excited at all.

[O-town Kat]

Morbid curiosity, if you had to choose just one of these two choices, which is the biggest reason why these things listed in this thread are gone: because Frank is gone, or because oscar is here?

oscar.  Think many thought Franks run could end abruptly.  This is already unwatchable.  You can also kiss the residual revenue goodbye from walk-up type fans who embraced an identity/brand.  Proof will be in the NYE game attendance this year.

[captaincrap]

Frank being gone wasn't necessarily the end of the world, but with basketball in as good of shape as it had been in a long time, we wasted an opportunity to move forward.

We had an opportunity and gave it away

And CC, I know that we are probably over reactionary, but the crowds in Bram can confirm that we are not in the minority.

Gate numbers are very similar this year to gate numbers last year. Opponents in Bramlage have been complete dogshit in the noncon for the last few years, that impacts attendance more than anything. Few people drive from an hour+ away to see USC-Upstate on a Tuesday night or whatever, regardless of who the coach is.

[captaincrap]

his failure to retain Frank is far, far worse than his failure to hire a coach that could maintain momentum.

Frank was leaving no matter what, regardless of whatever effort Currie or anyone else could have put forth.

Frank sank his own ship.

[bigwillie20]

Frank being gone wasn't necessarily the end of the world, but with basketball in as good of shape as it had been in a long time, we wasted an opportunity to move forward.

We had an opportunity and gave it away

And CC, I know that we are probably over reactionary, but the crowds in Bram can confirm that we are not in the minority.

Gate numbers are very similar this year to gate numbers last year.

Will be interested to see the #'s after conference play

[captaincrap]

Frank being gone wasn't necessarily the end of the world, but with basketball in as good of shape as it had been in a long time, we wasted an opportunity to move forward.

We had an opportunity and gave it away

And CC, I know that we are probably over reactionary, but the crowds in Bram can confirm that we are not in the minority.

Gate numbers are very similar this year to gate numbers last year.

Will be interested to see the #'s after conference play

That will be a better comparison. Obv it will matter if the team is winning, but actual butts in seats will be interesting to see in meat of conf play. Thing to remember is that tickets sold is roughly where it was last year for all remaining games. If this year goes poorly and next year's home noncon slate is this bad, I think you'll start to see a real noticeable drop in season tickets. That hasn't happened this year.

[Emo EMAW]

Frank being gone wasn't necessarily the end of the world, but with basketball in as good of shape as it had been in a long time, we wasted an opportunity to move forward.

We had an opportunity and gave it away

And CC, I know that we are probably over reactionary, but the crowds in Bram can confirm that we are not in the minority.

Gate numbers are very similar this year to gate numbers last year.

Will be interested to see the #'s after conference play

That will be a better comparison. Obv it will matter if the team is winning, but actual butts in seats will be interesting to see in meat of conf play. Thing to remember is that tickets sold is roughly where it was last year for all remaining games. If this year goes poorly and next year's home noncon slate is this bad, I think you'll start to see a real noticeable drop in season tickets. That hasn't happened this year.

How does it compare to Jake's last year?

[captaincrap]

Frank being gone wasn't necessarily the end of the world, but with basketball in as good of shape as it had been in a long time, we wasted an opportunity to move forward.

We had an opportunity and gave it away

And CC, I know that we are probably over reactionary, but the crowds in Bram can confirm that we are not in the minority.

Gate numbers are very similar this year to gate numbers last year.

Will be interested to see the #'s after conference play

That will be a better comparison. Obv it will matter if the team is winning, but actual butts in seats will be interesting to see in meat of conf play. Thing to remember is that tickets sold is roughly where it was last year for all remaining games. If this year goes poorly and next year's home noncon slate is this bad, I think you'll start to see a real noticeable drop in season tickets. That hasn't happened this year.

How does it compare to Jake's last year?

Very similar, I think. Don't have #s in front of me.

[_33]

Give oscar time. He'll get those gate #'s down where they belong. It's not his fault there is still some residual interest in the program because of what Frank built.  No one said he was going to be able to burn this thing to the ground overnight. It's going to be a slow process. Let's all have a little patience.

[Gooch]

Give oscar time. He'll get those gate #'s down where they belong. It's not his fault there is still some residual interest in the program because of what Frank built.  No one said he was going to be able to burn this thing to the ground overnight. It's going to be a slow process. Let's all have a little patience.

[michigancat]

his failure to retain Frank is far, far worse than his failure to hire a coach that could maintain momentum.

Frank was leaving no matter what, regardless of whatever effort Currie or anyone else could have put forth.

Frank sank his own ship.

Yeah, you've alluded to this before, and I don't believe you at all. Even  if it really did get to that point, it's still a failure on Currie's part for allowing such a situation to arise.

You do know Frank is getting paid $2 million to coach basketball, right? And that EVERYONE on his staff loyally followed him? That's a pretty impressive ship sinking.

[bigwillie20]

Hopefully at least it was because he called Currie a dickbreathed loser to his face every time he spoke with him

[captaincrap]

his failure to retain Frank is far, far worse than his failure to hire a coach that could maintain momentum.

Frank was leaving no matter what, regardless of whatever effort Currie or anyone else could have put forth.

Frank sank his own ship.

Yeah, you've alluded to this before, and I don't believe you at all. Even  if it really did get to that point, it's still a failure on Currie's part for allowing such a situation to arise.

You do know Frank is getting paid $2 million to coach basketball, right? And that EVERYONE on his staff loyally followed him? That's a pretty impressive ship sinking.

Not sure what you don't believe... He was telling staff members in January that he was gone. Any job that opened after the season he was going to take, it just happened to be USC.

It's USC's choice to pay him what they pay him. Not surprised at all his staff went with him, they are very loyal to each other. Doesn't change the fact that he wasn't going to coach at K-State this year, and it wasn't Currie's actions or inactions that created that situation.

[Dr Rick Daris]

Morbid curiosity, if you had to choose just one of these two choices, which is the biggest reason why these things listed in this thread are gone: because Frank is gone, or because oscar is here?

that's a good question actually. really a tough choice for me, because there seems to be a decent amount of information out there to suggest that frank's leaving was not his choice. that makes me pretty upset that he's gone and almost makes me want to chose that one.

i'd still have to go with oscar though. never in history has a basketball team done as well as kstate has for a decent stretch of time and then gone out and hired a guy that just got fired from a similar school that did much worse during the same course of time. just unexplainable really. i mean look at the coach of the school that we're playing tonight. he had a similar run while he was at inidiana. really good first year. national championship runner up the second year. then couldn't sustain it. did a major school go out and hire him immediately after indiana fired him? no. he went six years without a job before finally getting back into coaching and had to do it at UAB. weber is not good and the hiring of him was even worse. complete fail in every way possible.

[michigancat]

his failure to retain Frank is far, far worse than his failure to hire a coach that could maintain momentum.

Frank was leaving no matter what, regardless of whatever effort Currie or anyone else could have put forth.

Frank sank his own ship.

Yeah, you've alluded to this before, and I don't believe you at all. Even  if it really did get to that point, it's still a failure on Currie's part for allowing such a situation to arise.

You do know Frank is getting paid $2 million to coach basketball, right? And that EVERYONE on his staff loyally followed him? That's a pretty impressive ship sinking.

Not sure what you don't believe... He was telling staff members in January that he was gone. Any job that opened after the season he was going to take, it just happened to be USC.

It's USC's choice to pay him what they pay him. Not surprised at all his staff went with him, they are very loyal to each other. Doesn't change the fact that he wasn't going to coach at K-State this year, and it wasn't Currie's actions or inactions that created that situation.

Currie had nothing to do with Frank wanting to leave in January?

OK.

[bigwillie20]

I mean even if you want to give Currie a pass for having nothing to do with Frank, he still went out and hired a loser.  There are no excuses for that.

[ChiComCat]

I don't believe that he was going to coach at K-State this year, but completely believe it was Currie's actions/inactions that created the situation.  Currie couldn't have kept him this off-season, but the terrible Currie/Frank relationship is what made that impossible.  Regardless, rehashing opinions on this same topic is not going to change anyones opinions at this point.

[_33]

I think CC is confusing Currie and the JamSam receipt situation.  When CC hears us saying it's Currie's fault he thinks we mean the JamSam receipt situation that we blame Currie for, but really we are saying it's just Currie's fault in general.  That would explain why CC thinks that if Frank wanted to leave in January it must have nothing to do with Currie.

[Dr Rick Daris]

his failure to retain Frank is far, far worse than his failure to hire a coach that could maintain momentum.

Frank was leaving no matter what, regardless of whatever effort Currie or anyone else could have put forth.

Frank sank his own ship.

Yeah, you've alluded to this before, and I don't believe you at all. Even  if it really did get to that point, it's still a failure on Currie's part for allowing such a situation to arise.

You do know Frank is getting paid $2 million to coach basketball, right? And that EVERYONE on his staff loyally followed him? That's a pretty impressive ship sinking.

Not sure what you don't believe... He was telling staff members in January that he was gone. Any job that opened after the season he was going to take, it just happened to be USC.

people say stuff all the time though for a million different reasons and then never follow through. like seriously all the time. i've heard from a few people that at the end of the day, it wasn't frank's choice to stay or go. is that true? no idea but if it is then holy crap i hope he did something much worse than have a few choice words for will or tell people that he was leaving.

[captaincrap]

his failure to retain Frank is far, far worse than his failure to hire a coach that could maintain momentum.

Frank was leaving no matter what, regardless of whatever effort Currie or anyone else could have put forth.

Frank sank his own ship.

Yeah, you've alluded to this before, and I don't believe you at all. Even  if it really did get to that point, it's still a failure on Currie's part for allowing such a situation to arise.

You do know Frank is getting paid $2 million to coach basketball, right? And that EVERYONE on his staff loyally followed him? That's a pretty impressive ship sinking.

Not sure what you don't believe... He was telling staff members in January that he was gone. Any job that opened after the season he was going to take, it just happened to be USC.

It's USC's choice to pay him what they pay him. Not surprised at all his staff went with him, they are very loyal to each other. Doesn't change the fact that he wasn't going to coach at K-State this year, and it wasn't Currie's actions or inactions that created that situation.

Currie had nothing to do with Frank wanting to leave in January?

OK.

Had much much more to do with half the team transferring after the season. I know this board blames Currie for everything, but his relationship with Frank was not the main factor. They weren't BFFs, dont get me wrong, but it was workable.

[Gooch]

his failure to retain Frank is far, far worse than his failure to hire a coach that could maintain momentum.

Frank was leaving no matter what, regardless of whatever effort Currie or anyone else could have put forth.

Frank sank his own ship.

Yeah, you've alluded to this before, and I don't believe you at all. Even  if it really did get to that point, it's still a failure on Currie's part for allowing such a situation to arise.

You do know Frank is getting paid $2 million to coach basketball, right? And that EVERYONE on his staff loyally followed him? That's a pretty impressive ship sinking.

Not sure what you don't believe... He was telling staff members in January that he was gone. Any job that opened after the season he was going to take, it just happened to be USC.

It's USC's choice to pay him what they pay him. Not surprised at all his staff went with him, they are very loyal to each other. Doesn't change the fact that he wasn't going to coach at K-State this year, and it wasn't Currie's actions or inactions that created that situation.

Currie had nothing to do with Frank wanting to leave in January?

OK.

Had much much more to do with half the team transferring after the season. I know this board blames Currie for everything, but his relationship with Frank was not the main factor. They weren't BFFs, dont get me wrong, but it was workable.

The shitty half?

[ChiComCat]

his failure to retain Frank is far, far worse than his failure to hire a coach that could maintain momentum.

Frank was leaving no matter what, regardless of whatever effort Currie or anyone else could have put forth.

Frank sank his own ship.

Yeah, you've alluded to this before, and I don't believe you at all. Even  if it really did get to that point, it's still a failure on Currie's part for allowing such a situation to arise.

You do know Frank is getting paid $2 million to coach basketball, right? And that EVERYONE on his staff loyally followed him? That's a pretty impressive ship sinking.

Not sure what you don't believe... He was telling staff members in January that he was gone. Any job that opened after the season he was going to take, it just happened to be USC.

It's USC's choice to pay him what they pay him. Not surprised at all his staff went with him, they are very loyal to each other. Doesn't change the fact that he wasn't going to coach at K-State this year, and it wasn't Currie's actions or inactions that created that situation.

Currie had nothing to do with Frank wanting to leave in January?

OK.

Had much much more to do with half the team transferring after the season. I know this board blames Currie for everything, but his relationship with Frank was not the main factor. They weren't BFFs, dont get me wrong, but it was workable.

The shitty half?

We have a good half?

[captaincrap]

Had much much more to do with half the team transferring after the season. I know this board blames Currie for everything, but his relationship with Frank was not the main factor. They weren't BFFs, dont get me wrong, but it was workable.

The shitty half?

Lots of projected starters. He was very worried about how that would make him look and how they would recruit in the future. He saw the writing on the wall.

[TheHamburglar]

Had much much more to do with half the team transferring after the season. I know this board blames Currie for everything, but his relationship with Frank was not the main factor. They weren't BFFs, dont get me wrong, but it was workable.

Half the team was already planning on transferring in January?  Will must have really had the mutiny organized early.

Also, if it was known that Frank was leaving in January and we still ended up with oscar Weber, that is just a horrible job by Currie.