Game of Thrones SHOW thread for people who are confused by the book thread

[puniraptor]

of course k-s-u-w wouldn't understand the gray concept of frenemies

[Benja]

so, back to arya and the hound.  somebody explain the story arch of that relationship.  I'm confused why her character just left him for dead instead of putting him out of his misery.  I mean, at first blush, the hound is a heartless eff face that takes helpless Arya "prisoner" for self gain.  but then, the show chooses to develop their characters and their relationship over an entire season.  by the end, the hound's character has developed into a likeable father figure and arya embraces him.  this development culminates with her mending his neck wound 'n such.   

and then, in the last episode when he's facing death, she's just like, ahh, eff off, robs him, and leaves him for dead. 

I guess it just shows that the hound had successfully molded her into a survivor, devoid of any moral fortitude (i.e. robbing/killing the guy who took them in). 

I dunno. I haven't read the books but I think metalhead's right in that some of the more emotional scenes from the book are coming off a little rough in the show. That scene felt weird and so have a few others. I mean, I think it was right for the show that she just left him there, but something felt off in the execution.

Just because a guy got you a horse does not make up for the fact that he killed your friend. Arya came to respect the Hound a bit, but that doesn't mean she still didn't want revenge.

yep that's why I said it made sense that she left him.

And yet, she cleaned up the wound on his neck instead of letting it fester. It's not consistent. Would have been GoT-esque for her to befriend her enemy, which is where things appeared to be going. The way it ended was just muddled.

jesus christ. this is not what i'm talking about. the grey-ness of GOT is one of the best things about it.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Arya: I'm not going to help you die. Screw you.

Hound: WTF? Just a couple of episodes ago you showed compassion by cleaning my wound that would have killed me just as painfully if it had festered!

Arya: I know, but now I hate you again. Maybe you did something off screen to make me change my mind. Whatever. Bye.

[star seed 7]

Simpleton confirmed

[TownieCat]

Arya was in total control of the Hound and was able to let him die on her terms. Quit over thinking it.

[Asteriskhead]

Arya: I'm not going to help you die. Screw you.

Hound: WTF? Just a couple of episodes ago you showed compassion by cleaning my wound that would have killed me just as painfully if it had festered!

Arya: I know, but now I hate you again. Maybe you did something off screen to make me change my mind. Whatever. Bye.

What don't you understand about the fact that she was using him, you rough ridin' dunce?

[Benja]

Remember, K-S-U is the guy that made a list of life lessons and every one of them involved money. It's not surprising he only understands black and white.

[Asteriskhead]

Benja, I'm going to need you to take a minute to reflect on what you've done.

[Benja]

Benja, I'm going to need you to take a minute to reflect on what you've done.

instigated bbs conversation at all costs?

[Spracne]

I don't think Arya is yet to the point where she can kill out of anything but blind hate or true self-defense, therefore she didn't have the guts to kill the Hound.   

[Mrs. Gooch]

I don't think Arya is yet to the point where she can kill out of anything but blind hate or true self-defense, therefore she didn't have the guts to kill the Hound.   

Wrong.

[Spracne]

I don't think Arya is yet to the point where she can kill out of anything but blind hate or true self-defense, therefore she didn't have the guts to kill the Hound.   

Wrong.

Compelling argument.

[Benja]

I don't think Arya is yet to the point where she can kill out of anything but blind hate or true self-defense, therefore she didn't have the guts to kill the Hound.   

Wrong.

Compelling argument.

She's right though.

[Asteriskhead]

I don't think Arya is yet to the point where she can kill out of anything but blind hate or true self-defense, therefore she didn't have the guts to kill the Hound.   

Wrong.

Compelling argument.

Did they do the thing in the show where she realizes she's wasting Jaqen's three deaths on insignificant people and that she needs to use them to improve her situation?

[Mrs. Gooch]

I don't think Arya is yet to the point where she can kill out of anything but blind hate or true self-defense, therefore she didn't have the guts to kill the Hound.   

Wrong.

Compelling argument.

Arya specifically chose not to kill the Hound; it wasn't because she couldn't do it.

[Benja]

I don't think Arya is yet to the point where she can kill out of anything but blind hate or true self-defense, therefore she didn't have the guts to kill the Hound.   

Wrong.

Compelling argument.

Did they do the thing in the show where she realizes she's wasting Jaqen's three deaths on insignificant people and that she needs to use them to improve her situation?

yeah but she didn't seem too bummed about it.

[Mrs. Gooch]

I don't think Arya is yet to the point where she can kill out of anything but blind hate or true self-defense, therefore she didn't have the guts to kill the Hound.   

Wrong.

Compelling argument.

Arya specifically chose not to kill the Hound; it wasn't because she couldn't do it.

I'm just going off the books. Even with the benefit of a character's inner monologue, her motivations are far from clear, so it's certainly not a black/white issue, especially since Arya isn't very consistent with her actions as it is.  Later, she realizes she has no monies and regrets not killing him and robbing him.

This is the show thread and in the show she took his money and specifically did not kill him.

[Spracne]

I don't really understand your harping on the point of "specifically" not killing him.  It is a point of fact that she chose not to kill him, no one is arguing that.  What does it mean to "specifically" not kill him? Are you alluding to a specific motivation and, if so, what?

[Mrs. Gooch]

I don't really understand your harping on the point of "specifically" not killing him.  It is a point of fact that she chose not to kill him, no one is arguing that.  What does it mean to "specifically" not kill him? Are you alluding to a specific motivation and, if so, what?

She specifically chose not to kill him, as in she made the distinct choice to not kill him. It wasn't just that she happened to not get the opportunity to kill him or that she couldn't make herself kill him. It was that she made the distinct, explicit, precise decision to leave him alive to suffer.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think she liked the Hound and I'm not sure if she had it in her to stick needle through his cold hound heart.

[Spracne]

I don't really understand your harping on the point of "specifically" not killing him.  It is a point of fact that she chose not to kill him, no one is arguing that.  What does it mean to "specifically" not kill him? Are you alluding to a specific motivation and, if so, what?

She specifically chose not to kill him, as in she made the distinct choice to not kill him. It wasn't just that she happened to not get the opportunity to kill him or that she couldn't make herself kill him. It was that she made the distinct, explicit, precise decision to leave him alive to suffer.

Ok, so you're saying that it is clear that she chose to let him die more slowly and painfully out of spite?

[Benja]

Arya is basically a sociopath focused solely on revenge at this point. She's like a 10 year old 'nam vet. She definitely left him to die.

[Belvis Noland]

i get why she didn't kill him.  I didn't get why she mended his neck (aka) showed compassion a few miles earlier in their journey. 

I think somebody explained that she was just using him?  meaning that she was just keeping him alive, using him as protection on her journey, self gain?  this makes sense to me.  if this is not the case, then the story was not executed properly. 

[Asteriskhead]

good rough ridin' grief.

[Benja]

i get why she didn't kill him.  I didn't get why she mended his neck (aka) showed compassion a few miles earlier in their journey. 

I think somebody explained that she was just using him?  meaning that she was just keeping him alive, using him as protection on her journey, self gain?  this makes sense to me.  if this is not the case, then the story was not executed properly. 

they were both using each other. they recognized similar things in each other on their journey, but they were still using each other.