oscar still sucks

[Cire]

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[michigancat]

my hatred of oscar was always because of a CERTAINTY i had that his teams would never be good enough to do anything meaningful in the tournament. he has proven me wrong with reason for optimism in the future.

He had a meaningful run, but there is no reason for optimism there will be more elite 8 runs unless you think he's going to start consistently earning 1 or 2 seeds.

i think we can be in the 2-4 seed range next year and will be disappointed if we're not.

Yikes

I suspect that would require finishing at least third in the conference and being flawless in a very week non-con.  Is that the expectation that any of you have for next year?  Not judging one way or the other, just want to know if that’s what folks are expecting...

Well West Virginia finished third with a great OOC and was a 5 this year. I'd expect us to be about a 6 seed next year.

[chum1]

"oscar has never won a tournament game"

"oscar has never got to the round of 32"

"oscar's kenpom finishes haven't been great."

oscar has never made an Elite 8 run by beating top seeds.

lololol

[Pete]

my hatred of oscar was always because of a CERTAINTY i had that his teams would never be good enough to do anything meaningful in the tournament. he has proven me wrong with reason for optimism in the future.

He had a meaningful run, but there is no reason for optimism there will be more elite 8 runs unless you think he's going to start consistently earning 1 or 2 seeds.

i think we can be in the 2-4 seed range next year and will be disappointed if we're not.

Yikes

I suspect that would require finishing at least third in the conference and being flawless in a very week non-con.  Is that the expectation that any of you have for next year?  Not judging one way or the other, just want to know if that’s what folks are expecting...

Well West Virginia finished third with a great OOC and was a 5 this year. I'd expect us to be about a 6 seed next year.

So, with our weak non-con, looks like we would need top 2 to be certain, or maybe top 3 and a final game conference tournament run (might require a conf tourney title).

[michigancat]

my hatred of oscar was always because of a CERTAINTY i had that his teams would never be good enough to do anything meaningful in the tournament. he has proven me wrong with reason for optimism in the future.

He had a meaningful run, but there is no reason for optimism there will be more elite 8 runs unless you think he's going to start consistently earning 1 or 2 seeds.

i think we can be in the 2-4 seed range next year and will be disappointed if we're not.

Yikes

I suspect that would require finishing at least third in the conference and being flawless in a very week non-con.  Is that the expectation that any of you have for next year?  Not judging one way or the other, just want to know if that’s what folks are expecting...

Well West Virginia finished third with a great OOC and was a 5 this year. I'd expect us to be about a 6 seed next year.

So, with our weak non-con, looks like we would need top 2 to be certain, or maybe top 3 and a final game conference tournament run (might require a conf tourney title).

That's my guess. Depends on what the wins and losses are.

[Trim]

How many of the good seeds (1-4? 5? 6?) this season earned that via a natural progression from the prior year(s) of the sort optimistic KSU fans envision, i.e. being at the top of the middle of the pack of their conference, slightly better than a bubble team, and returning all their players who'll naturally all improve?

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https://twitter.com/NicoleAuerbach/status/972973303576047617

[michigancat]

How many of the good seeds (1-4? 5? 6?) this season earned that via a natural progression from the prior year(s) of the sort optimistic KSU fans envision, i.e. being at the top of the middle of the pack of their conference, slightly better than a bubble team, and returning all their players who'll naturally all improve?

Xavier or Purdue? Of course Purdue was pretty good last year

[Trim]

We also need to look for top seed teams we can supplant - those who'll lose players or not have enough improvement in existing players and also not replace them w/anyone adequate.

[wetwillie]

   PROGRAM                             WINS                          PCT
1   Kansas Jayhawks              85                                   79%
2   West Virginia Mountaineers      62                                   57%
3   Oklahoma Sooners              60                                   56%
4   Iowa State Cyclones              60                                   56%
5   Baylor Bears                      59                                   55%
6   Kansas State Wildcats      55                                   51%
7   Texas Longhorns              49                                   45%
8   Oklahoma State Cowboys      49                                   45%
9   Texas Tech Red Raiders      38                                   35%
10   TCU Horned Frogs              23                                   21%

[wetwillie]

im leaving the formatting for deserved humiliation, but the results are in. We are the 6th best program in the last 6 years.  Thread title is accurate.

[catastrophe]

Trailing two (three?) HOF coaches +1 who jumped to the NBA. Anyone know the relative position from Frank’s years here? I’m guessing we were 4 or 5 instead of 6? Not a whole lot separating the top teams not named KU.

[wetwillie]

took the wind out of my sails too bud, but the numbers are what they are.

[LickNeckey]

he is what he is

that being said i am glad that i don't hae to hear any more media types try to mush me for a really pedestrian 3 game winning streak

E8 was pretty sweet tho

[Trim]

Trailing two (three?) HOF coaches +1 who jumped to the NBA. Anyone know the relative position from Frank’s years here? I’m guessing we were 4 or 5 instead of 6? Not a whole lot separating the top teams not named KU.

07-08: 3rd out of 12
08-09: 4th out of 12
09-10: 2nd out of 12
10-11: 4th out of 12
11-12: 5th out of 10

12-13: 2nd out of 10
13-14: 5th out of 10
14-15: 8th out of 10 (w)
15-16: 8th out of 10 (w)
16-17: 6th out of 10

[Pete]

oscar beat a 5 seed, and no one will ever be able to take that away from him.

[LickNeckey]

oscar beat a 5 seed, and no one will ever be able to take that away from him.

plus the bonus points of bringing "the handshake" great joy

[chum1]

It (again) feels like people are going to great lengths to quantitatively split hairs about why they don't like oscar when they could instead just state the arbitrary reason of their choice. It's ultimately all just a matter of personal preference.

[catastrophe]

Trailing two (three?) HOF coaches +1 who jumped to the NBA. Anyone know the relative position from Frank’s years here? I’m guessing we were 4 or 5 instead of 6? Not a whole lot separating the top teams not named KU.

07-08: 3rd out of 12
08-09: 4th out of 12
09-10: 2nd out of 12
10-11: 4th out of 12
11-12: 5th out of 10

12-13: 2nd out of 10
13-14: 5th out of 10
14-15: 8th out of 10 (w)
15-16: 8th out of 10 (w)
16-17: 6th out of 10

Would love to have seen some more data for Frank after round robin play started, but no doubt he was able to maintain a higher level of play. Still kind of frustrating to come out of it with zero championships.

[catastrophe]

FWIW - I think those types of finishes (consistently top 5) are exactly what we should be expecting. Yes, Weber was given a mulligan by most (including me) when the Foster team blew up.

You’d be hard pressed to find a non bluest of blue blood who doesn’t have a similar couple bad years over a 12 year stretch. I don’t think oscar would be given another pass if it happened again.

Leading up to this year, his lack of success was frustrating but kind of like Snyder’s bowlgame record, not really explainable. The fact we got some good draws this year is just the ball bouncing the other way.

[wetwillie]

oscar beat a 5 seed, and no one will ever be able to take that away from him.

An oddly smug comment considering it hasn’t been accomplished by a kstate basketball team since 1988

[wetwillie]

It (again) feels like people are going to great lengths to quantitatively split hairs about why they don't like oscar when they could instead just state the arbitrary reason of their choice. It's ultimately all just a matter of personal preference.

Michigancat has been annoyingly consistent in his dislike and it is pretty hard to argue against him because the numbers back it up.

[michigancat]

It (again) feels like people are going to great lengths to quantitatively split hairs about why they don't like oscar when they could instead just state the arbitrary reason of their choice. It's ultimately all just a matter of personal preference.

Of course personal preference is definitely a big part of it. I don't like his brand of basketball and I would prefer better teams.

[OK_Cat]

Rename this thread ‘we are ok with mediocrity forever cuz 1 elite 8 run’


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[wetwillie]

mediocre is average, we are actually below that line slightly for the duration of oscar.  Trendline is moving towards above average tho.