Mass Shooting in San Bernardino: 2 shooters and a guy with a warrant

[Institutional Control]

I'm thinking about buying a gun. What's the best gun for home protection?

[DQ12]

The NRA does not speak for me or my interests.  The national NRA is working against the long term safety of gun rights in this country.

how, exactly?  i'm guessing that this is because you think mass shootings are going to become more frequent or more bloody or both, and that the policies the NRA supports will make these possible, and because of that, there will eventually be enough public/congressional backlash against guns that a relatively stricter gun law will eventually get passed rather than if the NRA just compromises right now?

that's possible, but it's also supposing quite a bit.

[sys]

yeah no crap

in your original statement, i read the implication that the money was either manipulating the opinion of the gun-owning masses or manipulating the actions of the elected representatives of those masses in a way that is not aligned with the opinion of the masses.  otherwise why bring up "money"?


i do not think either of those things is true, btw.

[sys]

Well, what gun owners think is their best interests (they are wrong)

gmafb.

[EMAWican]

I'm thinking about buying a gun. What's the best gun for home protection?

I had some punk ass kids knocking on my windows in the middle of the night and scaring me 3/4 to death. I looked into guns for house protection and you definitely need to consider the S&W 500. You can shoot this bad boy through the wall, no need to go outside or open a window, and easily patch up the holes later. Be sure to drag any bodies into the house tho.

[ednksu]

The NRA does not speak for me or my interests.  The national NRA is working against the long term safety of gun rights in this country.

how, exactly?  i'm guessing that this is because you think mass shootings are going to become more frequent or more bloody or both, and that the policies the NRA supports will make these possible, and because of that, there will eventually be enough public/congressional backlash against guns that a relatively stricter gun law will eventually get passed rather than if the NRA just compromises right now?

that's supposing quite a bit.

Not quite.  The second half is kinda right.  It won't be so much backlash from congress as middle America.  There are already enough people ignorant about things like "assault weapons" that allowed them to get banned.  I think that the current extremism will alienate enough moderates (and to some degree people like me) and allow for extreme gun regulators to take office.  It won't take more mass shootings, but more lack of empathy, reasonable regulation (mental health, collaboration with terror watch lists) that will  push moderates away from 2A's most ardent supporters.  The issue isn't about "compromise" as framed, but a partnership in reasonable solutions.  I mean the NRA works against the NIH even studying gun violence one of the most reasonable steps to finding a solution (scientific study).

[Dub]

I think mental illness may have been a factor in addition to everything already mentioned.

Only applies to whites

I think true mental illness can be crossed off since it was 2+ people.  Mental illness doesn't really rub off on your spouse/others.

[michigancat]

yeah no crap

in your original statement, i read the implication that the money was either manipulating the opinion of the gun-owning masses or manipulating the actions of the elected representatives of those masses in a way that is not aligned with the opinion of the masses.  otherwise why bring up "money"?


i do not think either of those things is true, btw.

You read more into my original statement than was there. All I implied was there are people that have a financial interest in protecting the 2nd amendment, but not really with a financial interest in protecting the 4th.  Do you disagree with that?

Anything else, you filled in.

[sys]

You read more into my original statement than was there. All I implied was there are people that have a financial interest in protecting the 2nd amendment, but not really with a financial interest in protecting the 4th.  Do you disagree with that?

i disagree with the notion that the fact that there are entities with a financial interest is meaningful.  the larger number of individuals that place great importance on exercising their second amendment rights compared to the number of individuals that highly value their fourth amendment rights is what matters.

[michigancat]

You read more into my original statement than was there. All I implied was there are people that have a financial interest in protecting the 2nd amendment, but not really with a financial interest in protecting the 4th.  Do you disagree with that?

i disagree with the notion that the fact that there are entities with a financial interest is meaningful. 

Agree to disagree

[sys]

the money is minuscule in comparison to the number of votes.

[chuckjames]

the money is minuscule in comparison to the number of votes.

I think the NRA does a good job of using money to round up votes by scaring people into thinking Obummer is taking away their guns.

[michigancat]

the money is minuscule in comparison to the number of votes.

Right. And voters have never been influenced by advertising and propoganda. It's not an either-or situation.

[sys]

i'm sure it's a virtuous cycle, but i think membership interests drive the nra much more than the nra drives the interest of members.

[michigancat]

the money is minuscule in comparison to the number of votes.

I think the NRA does a good job of using money to round up votes by scaring people into thinking Obummer is taking away their guns.

It's a bit of a feedback loop.

[Dugout DickStone]

At some poing, who knows how long from now, the support for gun control will be too great and refusing to budge an inch while mass shootings happen daily will cost them a lot more than compromise will.

[star seed 7]

Well, what gun owners think is their best interests (they are wrong)

do you know what's in their best interest?

There's a huge difference between best interests and and desires. I personally don't think nra member's desires are in the country's (and by proxy the members) best interests

[sys]

the interests of an individual are almost always quite divergent from the interests of a country.

[sonofdaxjones]

What SOME people don't get is that ASSAULT WEAPONS are defined by legislators. 

Thus "ASSAULT WEAPONS" as defined by California legislators are banned for sale in California.

What SOME people don't seem to get is that these so called loophole weapons aren't much different than a typical traditional semi-auto rifle. 

[8manpick]

Will OP change the thread title to 2, or nah?

[Institutional Control]

I'm thinking about buying a gun. What's the best gun for home protection?

I had some punk ass kids knocking on my windows in the middle of the night and scaring me 3/4 to death. I looked into guns for house protection and you definitely need to consider the S&W 500. You can shoot this bad boy through the wall, no need to go outside or open a window, and easily patch up the holes later. Be sure to drag any bodies into the house tho.

I'd prefer to scare or injure someone instead of actually killing someone.  Do they make a shotgun pistol?


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[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Will OP change the thread title to 2, or nah?

Let's make it 2 Muslim shooters. Or maybe just merge this into the Sensible Muslims thread. The whole exercise has been pretty instructive.

[star seed 7]

ksuw gets so happy when muslims kill people.

sleeper cell?

[star seed 7]

was ksuw one of the thousands trump saw in jersey celebrating? 

[wetwillie]

I'm thinking about buying a gun. What's the best gun for home protection?

I had some punk ass kids knocking on my windows in the middle of the night and scaring me 3/4 to death. I looked into guns for house protection and you definitely need to consider the S&W 500. You can shoot this bad boy through the wall, no need to go outside or open a window, and easily patch up the holes later. Be sure to drag any bodies into the house tho.

I'd prefer to scare or injure someone instead of actually killing someone.  Do they make a shotgun pistol?


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