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Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
« Reply #75 on: October 01, 2015, 04:12:11 PM »
Huckabee is an idiot.

Agreed. The sooner his face isn't being associated with the Republican party the better.
I agree. I can't wait until the Republican party, or some third party, is competitive again.
After Obama's last win everyone I talked to agreed that Republicans needed to get rid of the old guard and usher in some new blood. Well, Boehner is gone, and Rubio is looking like a great candidate. So we got some of what we wanted?

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Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
« Reply #76 on: October 01, 2015, 10:23:55 PM »
Huckabee is an idiot.

Agreed. The sooner his face isn't being associated with the Republican party the better.
I agree. I can't wait until the Republican party, or some third party, is competitive again.
After Obama's last win everyone I talked to agreed that Republicans needed to get rid of the old guard and usher in some new blood. Well, Boehner is gone, and Rubio is looking like a great candidate. So we got some of what we wanted?
I generally vote Democrat. I'd just like for it to not be such an easy choice.

Also, a lot of people I know that voted R most of their life voted for Obama and democtats in the last two election cycles.

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« Reply #77 on: October 01, 2015, 11:58:40 PM »
I don't like it when religious leaders conflate charity with forced redistribution. I suppose they take the approach that the end justifies the means, but there is no morality in forced redistribution of wealth. The Catholic Church is particularly bad about this, I guess because it is most strongly rooted in socialist and quasi-socialist countries, and most Catholic immigrants to the US were quickly co-opted by the Democrat political machine.

Pope Francis seems to be emblematic of this problem. While I agree with him on social issues such as gay marriage and abortion (oddly, you don't hear much about those positions from his liberal cheerleaders), he has made some pretty stupid comments about capitalism. This is a guy who hails from Argentina, a once very prosperous nation that has been ravaged by socialism, so he should know better.

And regarding immigration, I think it's fair to say he's an open borders kind of guy. Except for the Vatican and its property and treasure around the globe. No, that seems to be kept pretty well walled off. Seems a bit hypocritical.
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Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
« Reply #78 on: October 02, 2015, 12:05:22 AM »
does the bible say anything about paying taxes?  i feel like jesus would be a "don't whine about taxes" guy, but maybe i'm wrong  :dunno:
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« Reply #79 on: October 02, 2015, 01:20:01 AM »
does the bible say anything about paying taxes?  i feel like jesus would be a "don't whine about taxes" guy, but maybe i'm wrong  :dunno:
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« Reply #80 on: October 02, 2015, 06:02:07 AM »

does the bible say anything about paying taxes?  i feel like jesus would be a "don't whine about taxes" guy, but maybe i'm wrong  :dunno:
Give unto Caesar what is Caesars....
I hate it when people quote that.


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Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
« Reply #81 on: October 02, 2015, 06:27:10 AM »

does the bible say anything about paying taxes?  i feel like jesus would be a "don't whine about taxes" guy, but maybe i'm wrong  :dunno:
Give unto Caesar what is Caesars....
I hate it when people quote that.


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Whys that?

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« Reply #82 on: October 02, 2015, 08:48:25 AM »
does the bible say anything about paying taxes?  i feel like jesus would be a "don't whine about taxes" guy, but maybe i'm wrong  :dunno:

I don't think paying taxes is necessarily an endorsement of everything that's done with those taxes, but maybe I'm wrong. As far as I can tell from the Gospels, Jesus stayed out of politics, unlike Pope Francis.
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Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
« Reply #83 on: October 02, 2015, 09:49:58 AM »
so the pope apparently high fived that white trash lady who wouldn't let homosexuals get married. could buy him some points from his conservative haters maybe?

The vatican released a response to this today. Apparently she was in a room with 23 other people who got to see the pope for like 12 minutes. The fact that he supposedly singled her out is a mischaracterization of the truth. They also clarified a statement he later made about supporting conscientious objectors was not directed at Kim Davis.

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Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
« Reply #84 on: October 02, 2015, 12:27:25 PM »


does the bible say anything about paying taxes?  i feel like jesus would be a "don't whine about taxes" guy, but maybe i'm wrong  :dunno:
Give unto Caesar what is Caesars....
I hate it when people quote that.


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Whys that?
Out of context.
The people were trying to trick Jesus. I don't think Jesus gave a crap about paying taxes. He knew what was on the coin, so he asked who's picture was on the coin. Well, if it's Caesar, then it must be his so give it to him.
The following message was the important one: give to God what is God's.
Now, what is God's, exactly? Well if God created us, then we are God's. (Important use of an apostrophe!)


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Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
« Reply #85 on: October 02, 2015, 12:30:48 PM »
What trick? Jews didn't want to pay taxes and jesus said they should pay. How is that a trick
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Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
« Reply #86 on: October 02, 2015, 12:37:14 PM »
What trick? Jews didn't want to pay taxes and jesus said they should pay. How is that a trick

it's one interpretation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Render_unto_Caesar
"experienced commanders will simply be smeared and will actually go to the meat."

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« Reply #87 on: October 02, 2015, 12:37:44 PM »

What trick? Jews didn't want to pay taxes and jesus said they should pay. How is that a trick
13 They sent some Pharisees and Herodians to him to ensnare him in his speech.

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Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
« Reply #88 on: October 02, 2015, 12:49:48 PM »
He didn't say what they wanted him to say, I don't see how that's a trick
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Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
« Reply #89 on: October 02, 2015, 01:04:28 PM »
Now you are just being funny.


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Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
« Reply #90 on: October 02, 2015, 01:14:40 PM »
You implied that Jesus was tricked into saying that quote, when it was exactly the opposite of what the tricking people wanted to hear. Connect the dots for me, I'm admittedly no bible scholar
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« Reply #91 on: October 02, 2015, 01:22:40 PM »
And I pretty much only read "render unto..."  by the far right in a rant against paying taxes, which has always confused me given the context
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« Reply #92 on: October 02, 2015, 01:38:06 PM »
You implied that Jesus was tricked into saying that quote, when it was exactly the opposite of what the tricking people wanted to hear. Connect the dots for me, I'm admittedly no bible scholar

did you read the link i linked?
"experienced commanders will simply be smeared and will actually go to the meat."

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« Reply #93 on: October 02, 2015, 01:52:53 PM »
You implied that Jesus was tricked into saying that quote, when it was exactly the opposite of what the tricking people wanted to hear. Connect the dots for me, I'm admittedly no bible scholar

did you read the link i linked?

Like 2 or 3 days ago, that's why it was on my mind
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Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
« Reply #94 on: October 02, 2015, 01:58:14 PM »
well it explains the interpretation dobbsie is saying.  jesus wasn't tricked into the quote, the questioners were trying to trick him into saying something seditious so they could arrest him and he resisted with some simpleton's logic about how since coins have caesar's image on them they must belong to caesar, so yeah, it's ok to pay the tax since it's caesar's money in the first place.
"experienced commanders will simply be smeared and will actually go to the meat."

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« Reply #95 on: October 02, 2015, 01:59:48 PM »
Exactly what I'm saying  :dunno:
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« Reply #96 on: October 02, 2015, 02:12:29 PM »
Exactly what I'm saying  :dunno:
They TRIED to TRICK him. That is what I said.
The bible says they were sent to "ensnare him in his speech"
The thesaurus says that 'trick' is a synonym for 'ensnare'.
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« Reply #97 on: October 02, 2015, 02:18:44 PM »
Give unto Caesar what is Caesars....
I hate it when people quote that.
Whys that?
Out of context.
The people were trying to trick Jesus. I don't think Jesus gave a crap about paying taxes. He knew what was on the coin, so he asked who's picture was on the coin. Well, if it's Caesar, then it must be his so give it to him.
The following message was the important one: give to God what is God's.
Now, what is God's, exactly? Well if God created us, then we are God's. (Important use of an apostrophe!)

there is a misunderstanding here between dobber and lib, but it's not to do with the "trick" part.
dobber is clearly saying here that Jesus only said "give unto caesar what is caesar's" as a way of not getting tricked, and not because He actually believed it. that's a pretty terrible interpretation, imo. Jesus is very clearly telling you to pay taxes

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Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
« Reply #98 on: October 02, 2015, 02:20:48 PM »
the "surprise" came because everyone (Jews and Romans alike) thought Jesus claiming to be the Messiah meant Jesus would help the Jews overthrow their Roman rulers, when that was not at all his intention

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Re: Pope doesn't speak for all Christians
« Reply #99 on: October 02, 2015, 02:22:02 PM »
Crap, I am going to have to rethink all that I hold dear.