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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: j rake on December 09, 2019, 05:44:01 PM
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really disappointed in gene taylor's comments about k-state getting snubbed by better bowls in favor of having to play boring navy in the boring liberty bowl. "the system wronged us, but let's show up to the crappy bowl game anyway and hope they'll respect us more in the future!"
what a small-time response.
F that.
if anything, he should have guaranteed a blowout victory, trash talked the service academy school, and told fans to stay home because this bowl, this opponent, this stadium and this city is beneath us.
Taylor didn’t express much, if any, frustration about the Liberty Bowl. He seems genuinely excited about it. K-State has never before played Navy, and Taylor thinks enough things will be different about the setup of the game, including the team hotel moving from the suburbs to downtown Memphis, that it will feel like a different experience than the Wildcats’ last trip there in 2016.
But Taylor has a message for any K-State fan who is seriously upset about K-State’s postseason destination. He hopes you will still consider attending the game and help prove the Wildcats have a team and fan base that is worth selecting higher in the bowl order in future years.
“We need to travel well to Memphis and prove what we’re about,” Taylor said. “ If we don’t, how is that going to look the next time we get in this situation? Bowls want fans to travel.
“We have always done that and we need to do it again for the Liberty Bowl. There’s no reason not to. We are going to play an awesome team and it’s going to be a hell of a game.”
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Fit.
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:bait:
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Fit.
Unfit. To lead this #WildcatNation.
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I agree with the op 100%, if tay tay won't fight for the cats then we need to find someone who will.
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Only reason I like GT is because of Klieman. If Klieman ends up sucking or leaving then fire Gene and move on.
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Only reason I like GT is because of Klieman. If Klieman ends up sucking or leaving then fire Gene and move on.
Eh, he forced Bill to retire too so...
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GT doesn't give a crap about this year because he knows we'll be making the playoffs on a regular basis with CK. No need to stir the pot for a couple 100k payout difference.
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Mean Gene used to work at Navy, does anyone really believe he wasn't absolutely thrilled about this match up?
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Agreed J rake
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absolutely should have told our fans to stay home and go hunting or some crap
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He should make the football team good and attractive.
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GT doesn't give a crap about this year because he knows we'll be making the playoffs on a regular basis with CK. No need to stir the pot for a couple 100k payout difference.
It ain't even that, the Big 12 pools their bowl money. TCU, Tech, and WVU being crap mumped the conference.
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Mean Gene used to work at Navy, does anyone really believe he wasn't absolutely thrilled about this match up?
Did you mean Old Navy 'cause that's what he suited for
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goddam Old navy is pure crap
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Army v Navy was more watched in 2018 than USC v Notre Dame, and Liberty Bowl had a large increase in viewership last year compared to 2017.
https://footballfoundation.org/news/2019/6/11/2018-19_Attendance_Release.aspx
Those aren't bad things :dunno:
as in, maybe more casual viewers turn in for navy than notre dame? more people watching is not bad thing
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We will have a lot of viewers early on, but most of them will lose interest by halftime because Ole Navy will be getting their asses kicked.
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Army v Navy was more watched in 2018 than USC v Notre Dame, and Liberty Bowl had a large increase in viewership last year compared to 2017.
https://footballfoundation.org/news/2019/6/11/2018-19_Attendance_Release.aspx
Those aren't bad things :dunno:
as in, maybe more casual viewers turn in for navy than notre dame? more people watching is not bad thing
they just watched to see how stupid navy looks
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Gene Taylor is a HUGE Navy guy, at NDSU he had Navy stuff on all the time and in his office.
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Gene Taylor is a HUGE Navy guy, at NDSU he had Navy stuff on all the time and in his office.
Gene Taylor’s loyalties should always be in question.
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this bowl should be referred to as Gene’s Bowl
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If he loves navy so much he should go marry them
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What I'm hearing is that Gene is the reason we're in the Liberty Bowl. It's all because he of his Navy fetish. :curse:
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I heard that Gene has a collection of floating ship models that he likes to take with him into the Jacuzzi to reenact naval battles over stormy weather. It's so weird.
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CanCo he owns and frequently wears an old timey navy hat (like that sort of triangular shaped thing that napolean wore except front to back instead of side to side?)
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I hear Gene Taylor wears boxer shorts with a Navy anchor pattern print fabric. Can someone send a link where we can buy him boxer shorts with either old Willie or a power cat on them?
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Army v Navy was more watched in 2018 than USC v Notre Dame, and Liberty Bowl had a large increase in viewership last year compared to 2017.
https://footballfoundation.org/news/2019/6/11/2018-19_Attendance_Release.aspx
Those aren't bad things :dunno:
as in, maybe more casual viewers turn in for navy than notre dame? more people watching is not bad thing
How about because Army/Navy was the only game on that day, idiot?
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I’m of the belief that Gene actually pushed for this bowl game in an attempt to get Klieman an easier matchup and his 9th win. More leverage for raises for both CK and himself.
Will publicly say the system is broken, and not admit he disliked the more difficult matchups of the other games and the possibility of a 5 loss season.
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Great J Rake thread
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I’m of the belief that Gene actually pushed for this bowl game in an attempt to get Klieman an easier matchup and his 9th win. More leverage for raises for both CK and himself.
Will publicly say the system is broken, and not admit he disliked the more difficult matchups of the other games and the possibility of a 5 loss season.
I’ve seen a lot of dumb crap posted on this board, but this might take the cake.
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I like it. Not for getting raises reasons but getting the easiest matchup should be 100% of the goal if you aren’t in the playoff. Literally nobody remembers any of the bowl games outside of the playoff.
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I’m of the belief that Gene actually pushed for this bowl game in an attempt to get Klieman an easier matchup and his 9th win. More leverage for raises for both CK and himself.
Will publicly say the system is broken, and not admit he disliked the more difficult matchups of the other games and the possibility of a 5 loss season.
I’ve seen a lot of dumb crap posted on this board, but this might take the cake.
And the thing of it is, I was only kind of kidding.
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I like it. Not for getting raises reasons but getting the easiest matchup should be 100% of the goal if you aren’t in the playoff. Literally nobody remembers any of the bowl games outside of the playoff.
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I want biggish names that are having bad seasons.
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I like it. Not for getting raises reasons but getting the easiest matchup should be 100% of the goal if you aren’t in the playoff. Literally nobody remembers any of the bowl games outside of the playoff.
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Yes. Bowl prestige is rough ridin' stupid. Get a game you can win and everyone has fun.
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Army v Navy was more watched in 2018 than USC v Notre Dame, and Liberty Bowl had a large increase in viewership last year compared to 2017.
https://footballfoundation.org/news/2019/6/11/2018-19_Attendance_Release.aspx
Those aren't bad things :dunno:
as in, maybe more casual viewers turn in for navy than notre dame? more people watching is not bad thing
How about because Army/Navy was the only game on that day, idiot?
Plausible. Whats weird though is the Miami v LSU game was the only televised game of the day on Sep 3, 2018. Small sample size but viewership was 20% less for that game versus Army v Navy. And a casual football fan, likely, would expect a better game from two blue bloods, and Miami v LSU also had no other competition that day. Why, still, were more people watching Navy v Army than Miami V LSU...
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Labor Day weekend vs. a shitty December Saturday afternoon.
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Viewers in the millions for the top 5 games weeks 1-13 of the 2018 college football season:
1: 24
2: 28
3: 18
4: 23 ---> ND v GA 9 million viewers
5: 20
6: 25
7: 27
8: 22
9: 29
10: 19
11: 32 ---> LSU v Ala 17 million of those viewers
12: 24
13: 25 ---> day is November 23, just some shitty cold day
14 & 15 (rivalry and champ weeks) are much higher, with OSU v Mich and Ala v Aub accounting for 24 of 37 million viewers
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bunter, they're just pulling your chain. :lol:
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https://watchstadium.com/ranking-the-big-12-ads-with-jeff-goodman-and-brett-mcmurphy-06-08-2020/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
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https://watchstadium.com/ranking-the-big-12-ads-with-jeff-goodman-and-brett-mcmurphy-06-08-2020/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
they gave jeff long a b- but i think he deserves an f
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Looks like my guy Gene is the opposite of small time, DORKS!
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https://watchstadium.com/ranking-the-big-12-ads-with-jeff-goodman-and-brett-mcmurphy-06-08-2020/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
they gave jeff long a b- but i think he deserves an f
Watchstadium.com is usually such a reputable publication
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Look who wrote it, though!
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Look who wrote it, though!
I've heard of those guys
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https://watchstadium.com/ranking-the-big-12-ads-with-jeff-goodman-and-brett-mcmurphy-06-08-2020/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
they gave jeff long a b- but i think he deserves an f
Yeah, Obv graded without knowledge of the Beaty settlement; although starting down that path to begin with should have been a 2 letter grade deduction.
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Their procedure is doodoo Chris DelConte's grade is laughable, as is Jamie Pollard's.
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i'm pretty sure that, like most people, he graded iowa state on a curve
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If this was a ranking of who is the most big time, Jamie Pollard would be #1.
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Rage Against the McKee
re: gene taylor is so small time
I heard that Gene has a collection of floating ship models that he likes to take with him into the Jacuzzi to reenact naval battles over stormy weather. It's so weird.
Obviously too much Lysergic acid diethylamide combined with too much Lone Star Draft.
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https://twitter.com/kstatesports/status/1374783823083405318
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$950,000. holy crap.
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lol he is going to ride off into the sunset and do exactly jack. No facilities upgrades, no coaching changes. This is like pressing an AD "pause" button until 2026.
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lol he is going to ride off into the sunset and do exactly jack. No facilities upgrades, no coaching changes. This is like pressing an AD "pause" button until 2026.
You included this on accident, right, if not LLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLL
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i'm fine with it from a competitive standpoint, i guess.
but there are no particular competitive results that you can point to that warrant it, and gene taylor doesn't exactly strike me as someone looking to move elsewhere. and what school is going to be eager to pay him more than what he was already making? maybe there are some, i don't know.
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What's the going rate for a P5 AD?
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lol he is going to ride off into the sunset and do exactly jack. No facilities upgrades, no coaching changes. This is like pressing an AD "pause" button until 2026.
You included this on accident, right, if not LLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLL
I don't read the stadium thread. Do we have some coming?
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South end zone expansion Pete, they were building it during last season.
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I've also been privy to a lot of discussions about the new indoor practice facility, that should be starting soonish.
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Oh, and also the new volleyball arena/Olympic training center is on that same soonish timeline
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I've also been privy to a lot of discussions about the new indoor practice facility, that should be starting soonish.
I've heard it will be announced this fall. We have also completed projects for soccer, and baseball. The indoor track project will start as soon as the football team is out of their current facility, but that isn't on the building champions website so I don't know if the money is raised or if it has been abandoned. I also understand that they are close on volleyball, haven't heard anything about the OTC.
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Volleyball and otc share a building in the version I'm familiar with.
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Volleyball and otc share a building in the version I'm familiar with.
I know the buildings are to be connected, but I was always under the impression that they would be separate projects. All of the volleyball locker rooms, weight rooms, offices, etc. are on their own side of the building. They're certainly fundraising as if they are going to build them independent of each other.
https://www.kstatesports.com/documents/2019/9/6/BuildingChampionsBook.pdf
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Yeah I don't know anything about fundraising, just a construction nerd that has done some budget analysis (https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSSGawkWIYLfJwsJRBeSy3n-Gy7eFmvwuC64Q&usqp=CAU)
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What's the going rate for a P5 AD?
We pay ours the least in the Big 12
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What's the going rate for a P5 AD?
We pay ours the least in the Big 12
i believe ku is currently paying 0 american dollars
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So I guess they will announce some new projects because the south is the oldest rough ridin' news since the baseball lockers and was not something that counts going fwd. we shall see if I’m right or if I’m wrong and some large new projects are produced by Gene following this extension
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Come on man, even if you don't want to count baseball and soccer for some weird reason, the entire building champions campaign, that includes the south end zone, are his projects. Yes, Currie had provisional plans for a south end zone, but not a single penny was raised. The rest of the project is so far down the road that it's nearly impossible that it won't be completed.
If you insist on playing the role of perpetually butthurt fan and want to die on this hill, you can use the Bramlage project for that, but the Building Champions project is pretty much a wrap.
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What's the going rate for a P5 AD?
Tough to say with bonus's and additional compensation that can go unrecorded. The article below is from 2018.
https://www.cnhinews.com/cnhi/sports/article_7504ab64-57c1-11e8-a10f-d3d08ec2f6ce.html
Kirby Hocutt, Texas Tech $1.45M
Chris Del Conte, Texas $1.43M
Joe Castiglione, Oklahoma $1.15M
Shane Lyons, West Virginia $920k
Jamie Pollard, Iowa State $868k
Sheahan Zenger, Kansas $700k
Mike Holder, Oklahoma State$645k
Gene Taylor, K-State $500k
But yeah, his motivation for doing anything worthwhile is probably at 0% at this point.
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it was poorly executed from a PR standpoint. timing feels off. probably would have looked better in the summer.
they just moved a home game from MHK to cowboys stadium in large part because they are strapped for cash. the ADept loves to talk (maybe not publicly) about how little extra cash they have right now and then the AD suddenly gets a 350k raise while the world is still dealing with a pandemic.
the line in the press release about hiring Pete Hughes who "took them to the Big 12 Championship in the first season" is factually correct but just a bad look.
but at the end of the day no one is going to do anything about it so who cares. hope it results in more wins.
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it was poorly executed from a PR standpoint. timing feels off. probably would have looked better in the summer.
they just moved a home game from MHK to cowboys stadium in large part because they are strapped for cash. the ADept loves to talk (maybe not publicly) about how little extra cash they have right now and then the AD suddenly gets a 350k raise while the world is still dealing with a pandemic.
the line in the press release about hiring Pete Hughes who "took them to the Big 12 Championship in the first season" is factually correct but just a bad look.
but at the end of the day no one is going to do anything about it so who cares. hope it results in more wins.
what?
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What's the going rate for a P5 AD?
Tough to say with bonus's and additional compensation that can go unrecorded. The article below is from 2018.
https://www.cnhinews.com/cnhi/sports/article_7504ab64-57c1-11e8-a10f-d3d08ec2f6ce.html
Kirby Hocutt, Texas Tech $1.45M
Chris Del Conte, Texas $1.43M
Joe Castiglione, Oklahoma $1.15M
Shane Lyons, West Virginia $920k
Jamie Pollard, Iowa State $868k
Sheahan Zenger, Kansas $700k
Mike Holder, Oklahoma State$645k
Gene Taylor, K-State $500k
But yeah, his motivation for doing anything worthwhile is probably at 0% at this point.
Taylor's raise is definitely a right sizing. When all of this cycles out he's probably going to be ahead of Chad Weiberg and whomever the new KU AD will be, unless they decide to once again, foolishly go and spend a ton of money on getting a name that will allow them to win the press conference instead of getting the right guy/gal.
Why would his motivation be 0%, that's a silly thing to say. Why in the world would his motivation be any differently than it was before or different than anyone else in the work force who is a contracted employee? That sounds like some real broke boy hourly wage making hateration.
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it was poorly executed from a PR standpoint. timing feels off. probably would have looked better in the summer.
they just moved a home game from MHK to cowboys stadium in large part because they are strapped for cash. the ADept loves to talk (maybe not publicly) about how little extra cash they have right now and then the AD suddenly gets a 350k raise while the world is still dealing with a pandemic.
the line in the press release about hiring Pete Hughes who "took them to the Big 12 Championship in the first season" is factually correct but just a bad look.
but at the end of the day no one is going to do anything about it so who cares. hope it results in more wins.
what?
The Big 12 Tournament is officially called the Big 12 Championship. It's a silly way to say we qualified for the Big 12 tournament, AKA we didn't finish last in the conference, we finished next to last.
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Timing for an announced raise seems odd given the apparent financial condition of the department. Wonder if Myers is preparing to step down and is getting his affairs in order.
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It pisses me off, unless the only reason for it was Brad Underwood saying he wants a long term commitment w/ the AD before he agrees to come back so he doesn't get stuck with someone like Currie in year 2.
So, I'll probably remain mad.
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it was poorly executed from a PR standpoint. timing feels off. probably would have looked better in the summer.
they just moved a home game from MHK to cowboys stadium in large part because they are strapped for cash. the ADept loves to talk (maybe not publicly) about how little extra cash they have right now and then the AD suddenly gets a 350k raise while the world is still dealing with a pandemic.
the line in the press release about hiring Pete Hughes who "took them to the Big 12 Championship in the first season" is factually correct but just a bad look.
but at the end of the day no one is going to do anything about it so who cares. hope it results in more wins.
what?
The Big 12 Tournament is officially called the Big 12 Championship. It's a silly way to say we qualified for the Big 12 tournament, AKA we didn't finish last in the conference, we finished next to last.
ah, got it. I was like uhhh...we definitely got bounced in the first round by TT. Like if we would have made it to the championship game then like, okay i guess. Did not realize the name for the entire tournament was the championship.
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it was poorly executed from a PR standpoint. timing feels off. probably would have looked better in the summer.
they just moved a home game from MHK to cowboys stadium in large part because they are strapped for cash. the ADept loves to talk (maybe not publicly) about how little extra cash they have right now and then the AD suddenly gets a 350k raise while the world is still dealing with a pandemic.
the line in the press release about hiring Pete Hughes who "took them to the Big 12 Championship in the first season" is factually correct but just a bad look.
but at the end of the day no one is going to do anything about it so who cares. hope it results in more wins.
what?
https://www.kstatesports.com/news/2021/3/24/athletics-gene-taylor-receives-contract-extension.aspx (https://www.kstatesports.com/news/2021/3/24/athletics-gene-taylor-receives-contract-extension.aspx)
and Pete Hughes in baseball, who took the Wildcats back to the Big 12 Championship in his first year on the job.
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LOL at that baseball ‘ship thing.
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Timing for an announced raise seems odd given the apparent financial condition of the department. Wonder if Myers is preparing to step down and is getting his affairs in order.
I'm almost certain that 21-22 was his last year on his first contract. He got an initial 5 year contract, this is just the second 5 year contract. I hope that Myers is retiring but this extension has nothing to do with that, same with the timing of the announcement. We aren't going to be out of any perceived financial issues in the next 6 months so the bad timing thing, if it does exist, which I don't think it does, can't be avoided either.
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Timing for an announced raise seems odd given the apparent financial condition of the department. Wonder if Myers is preparing to step down and is getting his affairs in order.
I'm almost certain that 21-22 was his last year on his first contract. He got an initial 5 year contract, this is just the second 5 year contract. I hope that Myers is retiring but this extension has nothing to do with that, same with the timing of the announcement. We aren't going to be out of any perceived financial issues in the next 6 months so the bad timing thing, if it does exist, which I don't think it does, can't be avoided either.
The contract expires in April '22.
I think the timing is a little rough, coming off the heels of furloughs and pay cuts and stuff. If the world gets back to normal and we have a full BSFS in September, I think the optics would be a little better but not a huge deal either way imo.
Timing just seemed odd and thought if Myers was preparing to ace then the timing made some sense.
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should've waited to see who he replaced oscar with during mid-season firing next year
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BTW, the thing with not letting a coach get to the last year of his contract so recruits know the coach he's gonna sign with isn't going to get fired 15 minutes later also applies for ADs and fundraising for capital campaigns. I wouldn't give a dime to a project if I thought there was a chance that project wouldn't happen or would be delayed. We haven't moved a speck of dust on the practice facility, the volleyball arena, or the OTC. If they want to make sure the momentum of those things continue forward it's probably a good idea to commit to the person trying to make it happen.
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As of this summer, here are the Big 12 AD salaries.
http://www.sportsinfo.pro/AthleticDirector2020.html
AD School Compensation
Del Conte, Chris Texas $2,330,000
Hocutt, Kirby Texas Tech $1,850,000
Castiglione, Joe Oklahoma $1,733,333
Rhoades, Mack Baylor $1,554,897
Long, Jeff Kansas $1,500,000
Holder, Mike Oklahoma State $950,000
Donati, Jeremiah Texas Christian $938,473
Pollard, Jamie Iowa State $903,000
Lyons, Shane West Virginia $870,000
Taylor, Gene Kansas State $650,000
Gene would have made $700K next year.
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if the numbers posted in this thread can be trusted Kirby out earning Joe C is :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise:
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Timing for an announced raise seems odd given the apparent financial condition of the department. Wonder if Myers is preparing to step down and is getting his affairs in order.
I didn't think of that. That makes a lot of sense.
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if the numbers posted in this thread can be trusted Kirby out earning Joe C is :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise:
One of these people hired a coach that played for a title in a revenue sport
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I've also been privy to a lot of discussions about the new indoor practice facility, that should be starting soonish.
I've heard it will be announced this fall. We have also completed projects for soccer, and baseball. The indoor track project will start as soon as the football team is out of their current facility, but that isn't on the building champions website so I don't know if the money is raised or if it has been abandoned. I also understand that they are close on volleyball, haven't heard anything about the OTC.
Thanks for making my point that the projects are a wrap and would be a wrap without the extension. We make a good team
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I've also been privy to a lot of discussions about the new indoor practice facility, that should be starting soonish.
I've heard it will be announced this fall. We have also completed projects for soccer, and baseball. The indoor track project will start as soon as the football team is out of their current facility, but that isn't on the building champions website so I don't know if the money is raised or if it has been abandoned. I also understand that they are close on volleyball, haven't heard anything about the OTC.
Thanks for making my point that the projects are a wrap and would be a wrap without the extension. We make a good team
That wasn't the point at all, but whatever.
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if the numbers posted in this thread can be trusted Kirby out earning Joe C is :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise:
One of these people hired a coach that played for a title in a revenue sport
Uh, Castiglone hired Bob Stoops. OU also has like 20 national championships in non-revenue sports since he took over. He's widely regarded as the best athletic director in America. His worst hire in any sport that anyone watches at all was Jeff Capel who had an elite 8 at OU. He got fired two years after the elite 8 and he didn't even finish last and next to last in those seasons.
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if the numbers posted in this thread can be trusted Kirby out earning Joe C is :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise:
One of these people hired a coach that played for a title in a revenue sport
Uh, Castiglone hired Bob Stoops. OU also has like 20 national championships in non-revenue sports since he took over. He's widely regarded as the best athletic director in America. His worst hire in any sport that anyone watches at all was Jeff Capel who had an elite 8 at OU. He got fired two years after the elite 8 and he didn't even finish last and next to last in those seasons.
Damn that [redacted] has been there since April 1998, I had no idea. That has be to a record in the modern era for a P5 school.
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guys i’ve been super busy with work and stuff so just saw this thread
gene taylor is america’s worst enemy and quite possibly the worst enemy of all of mankind
you know those old black and white pictures from when the dudes were building skyscrapers in like 1930 and the guys were standing and sitting way up high on steel I-beams? took tons of stones to do that work. giant gonads.
gene taylor certainly wouldn’t have done it.
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Castiglione is in the running for best athletic director in all of the NCAA.
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Joe C is an absolute stud. I'm glad he dumped MethU all those many years ago. Outside of a few years under Pinks, MethU athletics has by and large been a dumpster fire ever since.
He's absolutely killed it at OU and barring a major scandal he will go down as one of the best AD's of all time.
I'm pretty :blank: on Gene's deal. His major sport coaches better start doing a lot better and I don't think one of those two has it in him. I'm willing to give the other one a big * because of Covid, the other should have been better positioned to turn Covid into an advantage based on tenure, and he didn't, because he can't manage a roster.
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Yeah I don't know anything about fundraising, just a construction nerd that has done some budget analysis (https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSSGawkWIYLfJwsJRBeSy3n-Gy7eFmvwuC64Q&usqp=CAU)
how much has that budget been blown up recently with the price of materials?