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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: theswo on November 12, 2010, 02:09:52 PM
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Curt is suspended and not playing tonight
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Curt is suspended and not playing tonight
Prolly indecent exposure what with his dong flying around for 10,000 to see and all
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:ck:
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:ck: :surprised: :ck: :surprised:
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Woke up to a text about this today. Looks like Frank may have found his early season example to show everybody he's not rough ridin' around.
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Woke up to a text about this today. Looks like Frank may have found his early season example to show everybody he's not rough ridin' around.
WE ALREADY HAVE ONE OF THOSE!
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eff 'em. I'm cheering for James Madison.
What are their colors? I gotta change.
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Haven't heard anything from Kellis. :ck:
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Woke up to a text about this today. Looks like Frank may have found his early season example to show everybody he's not rough ridin' around.
WE ALREADY HAVE ONE OF THOSE!
bumblings about them switching spots in the doghouse now :gocho:
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Woke up to a text about this today. Looks like Frank may have found his early season example to show everybody he's not rough ridin' around.
WE ALREADY HAVE ONE OF THOSE!
bumblings about them switching spots in the doghouse now :gocho:
rough ridin' eye hernias running rampant through the team
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Jeff Goodman goodmanonfox - Don't be surprised if Curtis Kelly comes off the bench tonight for Kansas State against James Madison. Look for Asprilla to start up front.
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Jeff Goodman goodmanonfox - Don't be surprised if Curtis Kelly comes off the bench tonight for Kansas State against James Madison. Look for Asprilla to start up front.
Holy crap, Goodman has a GPC membership! :surprised:
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Why is there so much bad news on this site? I am literally scared to come here for fear of news breaking that ruins this year for me. :ohno:
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this season will be interesting as hell.
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Having our two best production bigs from last season out with "eye issues" for this game may change my predicto.
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this season will be hell.
FYP
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Not really sure why this would be considered horrible news. Everybody knows Curt can lose focus and fade away during games, might as well catch his attention early and hope it pays dividends later.
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If he is benched its one thing but if he is suspended then that sucks balls. Or something like that.
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I just want everything to be perfect NOW
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marfan strikes again :cry:
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We're opening the year with only 1 of our top 6 players from last year when we thought would have 4.
Apparently all but one of our best players from last year have been dicking around the whole summer. TC, etc.
We're supposed to be the third best team in the country and we're about to get stomped at home by James Madison.
Maybe not horrible, but it doesn't seem to be good.
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marfan strikes again :cry:
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Would do marfan chick. :thumbsup:
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marfan strikes again :cry:
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Would do marfan chick. :thumbsup:
Was thinking the same thing. :fatty:
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could this be why he didn't start last game and didn't get a lot of minutes?
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people, please, can we get one thing straight - i open up this thread expecting to hear some good news and all i get is this crap sandwich slapped in my face. just for clarification:
rumblings = good
grumblings = bad
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people, please, can we get one thing straight - i open up this thread expecting to hear some good news and all i get is this crap sandwiched slapped in my face. just for clarification:
rumblings = good
grumblings = bad
fixed
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Pretty sure you guys are wrong here. Both grumblings and rumblings can be either good or bad. Grumblings is simply a more intense version of rumblings. Rumblings are like an F1 or F2am. Grumblings are F3 and F4.
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Jamar and Devon are dressed out tonight. Curtis is not.
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Jamar and Devon are dressed out tonight. Curtis is not.
:surprised:
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Weird. Frank's got some big old balls when it comes to discipline. You think Self would ever do that to an all conference type of player?
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God damn I love Frank Martin...
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I really don't know if I could ever love a coach more than I love Frank.
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any news about this situation?? :ck:
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Jeff Goodman just tweeted CK's benching likely to continue against V-Tech.
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K-STATE'S KELLY UNLIKELY TO PLAY TUESDAY AGAINST VIRGINIA TECH
8 minutes ago
Curtis Kelly has started the season in the doghouse.
Kansas State’s senior forward, a Preseason first-team Big 12 selection, didn’t dress in the Wildcats season-opening win against James Madison on Friday night and probably won’t play Tuesday against No. 21 Virginia Tech.
Kelly averaged 11.5 points and 6.2 rebounds last season while starting all 37 games for Frank Martin in his first season of eligibility following his transfer from UConn.
However, the 6-foot-9 Kelly’s work ethic has been questioned throughout his career.
``He probably won’t go on Tuesday,” Martin said. ``We need to be at our best in March, so I need him to be consistently good for me than the last two days. I’m not happy with the way he’s been the last two weeks.”
``We’re a very young team and I need good leadership from him,” Martin added.
Martin opted to start sophomore Wally Judge and former FIU standout Freddy Asprilla up front against James Madison. The duo combined to score just two points and grab five rebounds in the 75-61 victory.
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Frank, seriously, it's not cute anymore.
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8 minutes ago
Curtis Kelly has started the season in the doghouse.
Kansas State’s senior forward, a Preseason first-team Big 12 selection, didn’t dress in the Wildcats season-opening win against James Madison on Friday night and probably won’t play Tuesday against No. 21 Virginia Tech.
Kelly averaged 11.5 points and 6.2 rebounds last season while starting all 37 games for Frank Martin in his first season of eligibility following his transfer from UConn.
However, the 6-foot-9 Kelly’s work ethic has been questioned throughout his career.
``He probably won’t go on Tuesday,” Martin said. ``We need to be at our best in March, so I need him to be consistently good for me than the last two days. I’m not happy with the way he’s been the last two weeks.”
``We’re a very young team and I need good leadership from him,” Martin added.
Martin opted to start sophomore Wally Judge and former FIU standout Freddy Asprilla up front against James Madison. The duo combined to score just two points and grab five rebounds in the 75-61 victory.
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It kinda worked on him last year didn't it? :ck:
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Frank, it just went from JYC'ish to rough ridin' stupid.
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It kinda worked on him last year didn't it? :ck:
he started everygame last year bro
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It kinda worked on him last year didn't it? :ck:
he started everygame last year bro
That's right. But I feel like Frank limited his minutes for being a practice pussy last year too for a while during the non-con. Anybody else remember that?
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The hell, Frank?
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Frank, it just went from JYC'ish to rough ridin' stupid.
Kelly is a little bitch, you've always known this was a good possibility.
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:blank:
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It kinda worked on him last year didn't it? :ck:
he started everygame last year bro
That's right. But I feel like Frank limited his minutes for being a practice pussy last year too for a while during the non-con. Anybody else remember that?
He's a senior. He's talented. Play him.
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Sat him against a shitty team and his replacement(s) scored 2 points. What the hell does he think is going to happen against Tech? Don't be stupid, Frank.
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K-STATE'S KELLY UNLIKELY TO PLAY TUESDAY AGAINST VIRGINIA TECH
8 minutes ago
Curtis Kelly has started the season in the doghouse.
Kansas State’s senior forward, a Preseason first-team Big 12 selection, didn’t dress in the Wildcats season-opening win against James Madison on Friday night and probably won’t play Tuesday against No. 21 Virginia Tech.
Kelly averaged 11.5 points and 6.2 rebounds last season while starting all 37 games for Frank Martin in his first season of eligibility following his transfer from UConn.
However, the 6-foot-9 Kelly’s work ethic has been questioned throughout his career.
``He probably won’t go on Tuesday,” Martin said. ``We need to be at our best in March, so I need him to be consistently good for me than the last two days. I’m not happy with the way he’s been the last two weeks.”
``We’re a very young team and I need good leadership from him,” Martin added.
Martin opted to start sophomore Wally Judge and former FIU standout Freddy Asprilla up front against James Madison. The duo combined to score just two points and grab five rebounds in the 75-61 victory.
Remember when he sat Walker for the rest of the game in Nebraska and we lost? I'm gonna go SODJ on this topic if we lose this game because of this crap.
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It kinda worked on him last year didn't it? :ck:
he started everygame last year bro
That's right. But I feel like Frank limited his minutes for being a practice pussy last year too for a while during the non-con. Anybody else remember that?
He's a senior. He's talented. Play him.
Agree, just saying it ended up alright last year.
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If Frank wins without Kelly I'll be :cheers:
If Frank loses this game I'm gonna :chainsaw:
Guess we will know in a few days if frank is :driving: or :runaway:
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I'm gonna go SODJ on this topic if we lose this game because of this crap.
I was thinking this exact thing
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K-STATE'S KELLY UNLIKELY TO PLAY TUESDAY AGAINST VIRGINIA TECH
8 minutes ago
Curtis Kelly has started the season in the doghouse.
Kansas State’s senior forward, a Preseason first-team Big 12 selection, didn’t dress in the Wildcats season-opening win against James Madison on Friday night and probably won’t play Tuesday against No. 21 Virginia Tech.
Kelly averaged 11.5 points and 6.2 rebounds last season while starting all 37 games for Frank Martin in his first season of eligibility following his transfer from UConn.
However, the 6-foot-9 Kelly’s work ethic has been questioned throughout his career.
``He probably won’t go on Tuesday,” Martin said. ``We need to be at our best in March, so I need him to be consistently good for me than the last two days. I’m not happy with the way he’s been the last two weeks.”
``We’re a very young team and I need good leadership from him,” Martin added.
Martin opted to start sophomore Wally Judge and former FIU standout Freddy Asprilla up front against James Madison. The duo combined to score just two points and grab five rebounds in the 75-61 victory.
:facepalm:
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I'm gonna go SODJ on this topic if we lose this game because of this crap.
I was thinking this exact thing
It is a win-win in Frank's eyes. We have a lot of opportunities to get quality wins in the non-con. Meltdown coming super early here.
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stupid.
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If this continues Gonzaga is going to beat us by 30
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If this continues Gonzaga is going to beat us by 30
crap, V-Tech will beat us by 20.
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damn
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Kellis makes it sound a bit sunshinier :dunno:
Curtis Kelly doing better in practice, but still may not play against Virginia Tech
Kansas State basketball coach Frank Martin sent a message to Curtis Kelly on Friday when he benched the senior forward in the Wildcats’ season opener against James Madison.
He thought Kelly needed to practice with more energy and be a better teammate.
So far that message has been received. When asked about Kelly’s practice habits over the weekend, Martin said:
“He’s been better. A lot better.”
But that doesn’t necessarily mean Kelly will be back in the starting lineup on Tuesday when Virginia Tech comes to Bramlage Coliseum. Martin said it doesn’t even guarantee he will dress for the game.
“Just because he’s been halfway decent for two days I’m not going to do back flips,” Martin said. “He’s got to do right for an extended period of time. The last couple days he’s been more the way that he needs to be, unlike the way he’s been for the three and four weeks leading into last game.”
Kelly was not made available to the media today, but his teammates said he has responded well since his benching. Nick Russell said Kelly was practicing hard. Rodney McGruder and Wally Judge said he has become more vocal.
“Curt is maturing and becoming more of a leader,” Judge said. That’s what we need.”
Here’s how Jacob Pullen assesses his senior teammate.
“He’s been doing better. He continues to improve and continues to try and understand what Frank wants. It’s all about mental toughness, and you have to be able to deal with the adversity we go through in practice. Once he gets that together, him and Frank will be on the same page and they’ll mesh just fine like they did last year.”
Jamar Samuels making progress
Martin said junior forward Jamar Samuels is beginning to play like his old self in practice, and may finally be ready to put a minor eye injury behind him and play this week.
“With Jamar we’re still trying to reintegrate him into what we’re doing,” Martin said. “He wasn’t any good in practice when he got that eye deal. But he’s actually been really good here the last two days.”
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What do I say when goEMAW kid Cole looks at his schedule poster (the shitty "angry" KSTATEO one, not the goEMAW happy one) and asks who #24 is that he doesn't see play this year?
WHAT DO I SAY?
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Jeff's thoughts :dunno:
I recorded Kansas State's opener against James Madison. Much was made of Frank Martin benching Curtis Kelly as the coach is unhappy with how Kelly has approached his senior season from a work ethic standpoint. I'm familiar with Martin sending messages to his players, but I'll bet the house that Kelly is good to go Tuesday when the Wildcats are visited by Virginia Tech. The Hokies are talented, predicted during the preseason to finish second in the ACC. They're a senior-laden unit, and the biggest concern facing K-State entering the season was who would play alongside All-American Jacob Pullen in the backcourt. A couple of sophomores, Nick Russell and Rodney McGruder, were particularly effective, and the Wildcats' vaunted frontcourt only scored seven points. Wonder if Martin knew what he was doing by benching Kelly.
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I think he's decided that since he can't send a message by playing horrible players this year he's going to do it by sitting the really good ones.
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If CK ends up getting suspended for Presbyterian too, he might as well have punched a girl (on accident).
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If CK ends up getting suspended for Presbyterian too, he might as well have punched a girl (on accident).
good comparison
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Put yourself in his shoes and ask yourself what you would do if :ck: wasn't giving you the effort you wanted from him in practice. Do you just let it go unchecked and hope he snaps out of it? Do you belittle him daily at practice to shame him into giving more effort? I would hope Frank knows what motivates CK at this point and not just go with what has worked for other players in the past. It sucks watching Frank seemingly error on the side of going too far sometimes with his style of motivating players, hopefully whatever he is doing with Curt works out.
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Put yourself in his shoes and ask yourself what you would do if :ck: wasn't giving you the effort you wanted from him in practice. Do you just let it go unchecked and hope he snaps out of it? Do you belittle him daily at practice to shame him into giving more effort? I would hope Frank knows what motivates CK at this point and not just go with what has worked for other players in the past. It sucks watching Frank seemingly error on the side of going too far sometimes with his style of motivating players, hopefully whatever he is doing with Curt works out.
I would bench him for the first game.
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It's lame to play the hardest workers over the players who give you the best chance to win. There are some special olypians that work their asses off. I don't want them starting at powerforward for my University. We're better with CK than without. Keep trying to get him to work hard, but if he's going to help you win, even when slacking. Play the SOB.
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Goddammit, Frank, you stubborn bad person.
Also, if Pendergast knows he's a little bitch, it's Frank's job to get him to stop being a little bitch by the second game. against a top 25 team.
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It's lame to play the hardest workers over the players who give you the best chance to win. There are some special olypians that work their asses off. I don't want them starting at powerforward for my University. We're better with CK than without. Keep trying to get him to work hard, but if he's going to help you win, even when slacking. Play the SOB.
I don't think any of us think Frank is going to bench CK when it matters. His philosophy on players giving everything the team needs in practice is to make sure we are the best team we can be when it does matter. It didn't matter against James Madison. I will be pissed if he doesn't play against Va Tech because that game has potential to give us a very quality win towards our resume come March. But, CK better fuckin start being a leader or else our frontcourt will be average again and we'll be a top 15 team at best
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Also, it's year three with CK. YOU'VE HAD PLENTY OF TIME TO GET HIM TO WORK IN PRACTICE.
This isn't your goddam JV team, Frank.
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Also, it's year three with CK. YOU'VE HAD PLENTY OF TIME TO GET HIM TO WORK IN PRACTICE.
This isn't your goddam JV team, Frank.
This is probably less about CK and more about other people. Kind of surprised about the reactions here. Frank has done this every year. If you want to enjoy his adorable rants on the court, you have to live with this. They go together.
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This is probably less about CK and more about other people. Kind of surprised about the reactions here. Frank has done this every year. If you want to enjoy his adorable rants on the court, you have to live with this. They go together.
He's never done it with a player this good for a game this big.
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"right fit"
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This is probably less about CK and more about other people. Kind of surprised about the reactions here. Frank has done this every year. If you want to enjoy his adorable rants on the court, you have to live with this. They go together.
He's never done it with a player this good for a game this big.
You know this game is at 3pm on a Tuesday, right?
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Also, it's year three with CK. YOU'VE HAD PLENTY OF TIME TO GET HIM TO WORK IN PRACTICE.
This isn't your goddam JV team, Frank.
This is probably less about CK and more about other people. Kind of surprised about the reactions here. Frank has done this every year. If you want to enjoy his adorable rants on the court, you have to live with this. They go together.
You nailed it.
This is who Frank is. He's making an example of CK early in the year by doing it the way he always does it. I can start to theorize why, but it's pointless. It's just Frank being Frank.
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If Curt's last name was Gonzalez this wouldn't be happening. :opcat:
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Guys we will beat Va Tech with or without Curt. We have only been playing a shell of an offense and James Madison was playing pretty good D on the cats. We will run some other looks against Va Tech and get some better looks inside. Many of our plays set up for guards to get open looks from 3, and that worked. I think we will see some more attempts to get the ball inside this time. But we have enough talent to do fine when we set them up to succeed.
:powerespect:
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I'm torn on this. But i don't like it.
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If you all didn't see this yet:
http://jeffgoodman.yardbuster.com
Great. Better come with your head screwed on, Wally.
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If you all didn't see this yet:
http://jeffgoodman.yardbuster.com
Great. Better come with your head screwed on, Wally.
godaddy.com link. good job
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What do I say when goEMAW kid Cole looks at his schedule poster (the shitty "angry" KSTATEO one, not the goEMAW happy one) and asks who #24 is that he doesn't see play this year?
WHAT DO I SAY?
"Hey goEMAW kid Cole, that's Curtis Kelly, he has been a FP, TC lately and that is why he hasn't been playing. Think about that next the next time you want to act like a little bitch. It's a man's game. Be a man."
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Meh. Frank being Frank. "Buy in or quit" for reals. Or maybe it should be "buy in or sutton".
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What do I say when goEMAW kid Cole looks at his schedule poster (the shitty "angry" KSTATEO one, not the goEMAW happy one) and asks who #24 is that he doesn't see play this year?
WHAT DO I SAY?
"Hey goEMAW kid Cole, that's Curtis Kelly, he has been a FP, TC lately and that is why he hasn't been playing. Think about that next the next time you want to act like a little bitch. It's a man's game. Be a man."
Nicname,
http://sedgwick.kansasbigs.org/become-a-big.aspx
Tell them Trim sent you.
T-Y,
Trim
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This looks like a ruse to me. CK probably has been subpar from an effort and leadership standpoint. Frank knew that James Madison would pose no real threat so he benched CK. It obviously had the desired effect as CK has now been performing better in practice, but rather than reinsert CK into the starting line-up Frank is going to milk this for all it's worth and really put the squeeze on CK by threatening to continue the benching for the VT game.
Either one of two things will happen.
1. And this is more likely. CK will will continue to improve his work ethic in practice out of fear of a second benching. Frank will then tell CK he is starting on Tuesday sometime before the game, and CK will have an inspired day against the Hokies.
or
2. CK breaks, becomes similar to Dom Sutton. Is rendered a broken player and either withers away or quits.
It is about 99 to 1 that option one happens.
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HA! I was trying to save you from getting upset.
Let me try the CORRECT addy:
http://jeffgoodman.yardBARKER.com
You'll probably wish it was just GO DADDY now.
(and maybe this is even old news now....who knows.)
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(and maybe this is even old news now....who knows.)
Well, everyone here knows.
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So if CK does not "buy in" and we kick him off the team. Can we give his scholarship to Peterson?
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This is probably less about CK and more about other people. Kind of surprised about the reactions here. Frank has done this every year. If you want to enjoy his adorable rants on the court, you have to live with this. They go together.
He's never done it with a player this good for a game this big.
You know this game is at 3pm on a Tuesday, right?
still, top 25 + we're number 3. There's a lot of value being in the top 5 for the first few weeks of the season. Probably more valuable than Elite 8 vs. Sweet 16 or whatever this dumbshit lesson gets us.
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This is probably less about CK and more about other people. Kind of surprised about the reactions here. Frank has done this every year. If you want to enjoy his adorable rants on the court, you have to live with this. They go together.
He's never done it with a player this good for a game this big.
You know this game is at 3pm on a Tuesday, right?
still, top 25 + we're number 3. There's a lot of value being in the top 5 for the first few weeks of the season. Probably more valuable than Elite 8 vs. Sweet 16 or whatever this dumbshit lesson gets us.
That's absurd.
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No it isn't.
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This is probably less about CK and more about other people. Kind of surprised about the reactions here. Frank has done this every year. If you want to enjoy his adorable rants on the court, you have to live with this. They go together.
He's never done it with a player this good for a game this big.
You know this game is at 3pm on a Tuesday, right?
still, top 25 + we're number 3. There's a lot of value being in the top 5 for the first few weeks of the season. Probably more valuable than Elite 8 vs. Sweet 16 or whatever this dumbcac lesson gets us.
this is a very good point and after some diliberation, this will now also be my stance on the matter.
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eff. If you see a guy wearing a Fire Frank shirt at the game Tuesday, thats me.
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it's only the second game of the year. if we'd happen to lose we still have more than enough time to recover. sooner or later, w/ or w/out ck, our bigs gotta stop playing soft. if they rough ridin' handle their business like they should then we win on tuesday. plus, wally and jamar can't play as bad tues as they did against jm, right? RIGHT!?
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Please explain.
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it's only the second game of the year. if we'd happen to lose we still have more than enough time to recover. sooner or later, w/ or w/out ck, our bigs gotta stop playing soft. if they effing handle their business like they should then we win on tuesday. plus, wally and jamar can't play as bad tues as they did against jm, right? RIGHT!?
Exactly, plus VA Tech is without a top forward, JT Thompson. Now is the time to sit Kelly down, he'll come back strong. Also a good time to really see what Judge can do. We are not losing to VA Tech in the Octagon.
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Alright I'm ok with it now, conference title and six in a row in march, that's all that matters amirite? :frank:
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it's only the second game of the year. if we'd happen to lose we still have more than enough time to recover. sooner or later, w/ or w/out ck, our bigs gotta stop playing soft. if they effing handle their business like they should then we win on tuesday. plus, wally and jamar can't play as bad tues as they did against jm, right? RIGHT!?
Exactly, plus VA Tech is without a top forward, JT Thompson. Now is the time to sit Kelly down, he'll come back strong. Also a good time to really see what Judge can do. We are not losing to VA Tech in the Octagon.
don't get me wrong, i want ck to play tuesday. i just don't think it's the end of the world if he doesn't.
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This is probably less about CK and more about other people. Kind of surprised about the reactions here. Frank has done this every year. If you want to enjoy his adorable rants on the court, you have to live with this. They go together.
He's never done it with a player this good for a game this big.
You know this game is at 3pm on a Tuesday, right?
still, top 25 + we're number 3. There's a lot of value being in the top 5 for the first few weeks of the season. Probably more valuable than Elite 8 vs. Sweet 16 or whatever this dumbshit lesson gets us.
This is true. Then again, Frank probably cares more about what he thinks this will get him later (conference wins/tourney wins). I honestly think 1) that everyone got out their jump to conclusion mat on the actual facts. 2) It could be a Wally minutes motivator and finally get him a big game 3) it could get Jamar more minutes/motivator/big game 4) it might be a Pullen motivator/challenge
Will I be disappointed if we lose? Yes. But CBE in KC is much, much more important/worrying right now.
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it's only the second game of the year. if we'd happen to lose we still have more than enough time to recover. sooner or later, w/ or w/out ck, our bigs gotta stop playing soft. if they effing handle their business like they should then we win on tuesday. plus, wally and jamar can't play as bad tues as they did against jm, right? RIGHT!?
Exactly, plus VA Tech is without a top forward, JT Thompson. Now is the time to sit Kelly down, he'll come back strong. Also a good time to really see what Judge can do. We are not losing to VA Tech in the Octagon.
Like we wouldn't lose to ISU/OSU last season? Pretty Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) talking point.
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The only in season value in being ranked high in the preseason or early portion of the season is that a few losses here and there don't hurt your seeding as much as a loss to a team that is ranked lower.
Being ranked in the preseason is also nice because it shows that a team has earned respect, and a reputation, and a coach can tell a recruit "you see, we've been Sweet 16 two years in a row, and now we're top 5 heading into this season, but we could really use a man like you to help get us into the final four..blah blah blah." It also earns you much needed publicity.
Other than that there is little value in being ranked highly in the preseason. Sure, you might say that #1 seeds are much of the time highly ranked in preseason polls, but that is because they are great basketball teams, not because of any preseason ranking.
In 2009 the preseason top ten included was 1. KU, 2. Mich. St., 3. Texas, 4. UK, 5. Nova, 6. UNC, 7. Purdue, 8. WVU, 9. Duke, 10. Tenn and Butler was #11. Can someone please tell me the valuable role, other than what I described earlier, that being ranked highly in the preseason played for these teams? Because, I don't see it.
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it's only the second game of the year. if we'd happen to lose we still have more than enough time to recover. sooner or later, w/ or w/out ck, our bigs gotta stop playing soft. if they effing handle their business like they should then we win on tuesday. plus, wally and jamar can't play as bad tues as they did against jm, right? RIGHT!?
Exactly, plus VA Tech is without a top forward, JT Thompson. Now is the time to sit Kelly down, he'll come back strong. Also a good time to really see what Judge can do. We are not losing to VA Tech in the Octagon.
Like we wouldn't lose to ISU/OSU last season? Pretty Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) talking point.
If all I said was "we are not losing", then yes. :users:
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The only in season value in being ranked high in the preseason or early portion of the season is that a few losses here and there don't hurt your seeding as much as a loss to a team that is ranked lower.
Being ranked in the preseason is also nice because it shows that a team has earned respect, and a reputation, and a coach can tell a recruit "you see, we've been Sweet 16 two years in a row, and now we're top 5 heading into this season, but we could really use a man like you to help get us into the final four..blah blah blah." It also earns you much needed publicity.
Other than that there is little value in being ranked highly in the preseason. Sure, you might say that #1 seeds are much of the time highly ranked in preseason polls, but that is because they are great basketball teams, not because of any preseason ranking.
In 2009 the preseason top ten included was 1. KU, 2. Mich. St., 3. Texas, 4. UK, 5. Nova, 6. UNC, 7. Purdue, 8. WVU, 9. Duke, 10. Tenn and Butler was #11. Can someone please tell me the valuable role, other than what I described earlier, that being ranked highly in the preseason played for these teams? Because, I don't see it.
Media coverage/exposure. Pretty much all I think it is worth. Different debate about how valuable that is, but making espn highlights/national talking points is definitely top 5 territory, particularly when we are going up against the zags/duke.
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Don't forget that BCS thingy KK.
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just pull a Hoosiers and only play four Frank.
The sumbitch is determined to have his players "do it the right way".
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Don't forget that BCS thingy KK.
I didn't mention that, but I thought about it. There is definitely real in-season value to being ranked highly in football.
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If Curt's last name was Gonzalez this wouldn't be happening. :opcat:
So true. Free Curtis! (http://www.legalzoom.com/sem/namechangepage.html?WT.srch=1&se=google&q=change+legal+name&refcd=GO000000109081735s_change_legal_name&tsacr=GO4533812107&cm_mmc_o=7BBTkwCjCWwc%20C%20WzFw%202tzETwCjCWzFw%202tzETwj7wEwyzkCjCgtzETw%20kwTzk%20EzFw&gclid=CP-g6vX_oaUCFcgK2goddQuoHg) (Someone get :ck: the link ASAP). :driving:
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There's a lot of value being in the top 5 for the first few weeks of the season. Probably more valuable than Elite 8 vs. Sweet 16 or whatever this dumbcac lesson gets us.
Some value, but ask Texas how much. Single most moronic thing ever posted.
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I could really give a eff less what our ranking is right now. It's cool to brag about I guess but at long as we get at least a 2 seed in March I'll be cool with that.
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I am going to go absolutely bonkers if we happen to make it to number 1 this year. Rankings are really great for the fan base. You think the students show up like they did on Friday if we're not ranked or even in the 20s?
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we still have to protect our ranking early in the season. Number 1 seeds don't lose games like this. November can hurt you a crap ton in feb/march when seeds are the most important thing.
Frank needs to see that one will effect the other. Resume isn't just conference season.
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My issue with this is that it is stale. It started with Huggy, here is a list of players that we know of that were suspended or benches because they weren't buying in.
Cartier Martin
Bill Walker
Jacob Pullen
Luis Colon
Jamar Samuels
Curtis Kelly
Seriously it is time for a schitck. Either he has the most out of control players in the country or he's over the top dramatic.
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With the schedule we have, I'm going to assume that Frank is aware that the non-con is important.
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The only in season value in being ranked high in the preseason or early portion of the season is that a few losses here and there don't hurt your seeding as much as a loss to a team that is ranked lower.
Being ranked in the preseason is also nice because it shows that a team has earned respect, and a reputation, and a coach can tell a recruit "you see, we've been Sweet 16 two years in a row, and now we're top 5 heading into this season, but we could really use a man like you to help get us into the final four..blah blah blah." It also earns you much needed publicity.
Other than that there is little value in being ranked highly in the preseason. Sure, you might say that #1 seeds are much of the time highly ranked in preseason polls, but that is because they are great basketball teams, not because of any preseason ranking.
In 2009 the preseason top ten included was 1. KU, 2. Mich. St., 3. Texas, 4. UK, 5. Nova, 6. UNC, 7. Purdue, 8. WVU, 9. Duke, 10. Tenn and Butler was #11. Can someone please tell me the valuable role, other than what I described earlier, that being ranked highly in the preseason played for these teams? Because, I don't see it.
Media coverage/exposure. Pretty much all I think it is worth. Different debate about how valuable that is, but making espn highlights/national talking points is definitely top 5 territory, particularly when we are going up against the zags/duke.
Yep. It's all media exposure. Frank himself has commented on the value of getting in the top 25 because it gets us on SportsCenter every night. When you're a top 5 team, you're discussed by every talking head at every freaking halftime of every ESPN game. You're kidding yourself if you think there's no value in that. KIDDING YOURSELF.
Also, I think I'm being pretty generous by saying this might get us an extra win in the postseason. Remember when Jake had the fantastic KU game but got sat for most of @MU? Well, the loss to MU put us firmly on the bubble, and in March, Jake got brutally Travoned. "Frank being Frank" is just another way of saying "stupid being stupid".
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This is probably less about CK and more about other people. Kind of surprised about the reactions here. Frank has done this every year. If you want to enjoy his adorable rants on the court, you have to live with this. They go together.
He's never done it with a player this good for a game this big.
He still hasn't.
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This is probably less about CK and more about other people. Kind of surprised about the reactions here. Frank has done this every year. If you want to enjoy his adorable rants on the court, you have to live with this. They go together.
He's never done it with a player this good for a game this big.
He still hasn't.
Yeah, this is my hope
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Thanks for clarifying kitton_mittons.
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Thanks for clarifying kitton_mittons.
You spelled Kitten wrong. It's okay. It's kind of early on a Monday.
But we can both agree that we love the KSU Cats!!!
Eat-em-up!
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jesus. guess we need to hang a top 3 banner or something. who's going to make it? rustycat?
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jesus. guess we need to hang a top 3 banner or something. who's going to make it? rustycat?
We could paint the walls.
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jesus. guess we need to hang a top 3 banner or something. who's going to make it? rustycat?
We could paint the walls.
sounds great. i'll get the paint and next time you're in town we can head over and paint the place up and then reminisce over that one time that the cats were in the top five for part of the year and maybe watch old espn sportscenter top 5 highlights together. sounds like a hoot. national media coverage...yayyyee!
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Yep. It's all media exposure. Frank himself has commented on the value of getting in the top 25 because it gets us on SportsCenter every night. When you're a top 5 team, you're discussed by every talking head at every freaking halftime of every ESPN game. You're kidding yourself if you think there's no value in that. KIDDING YOURSELF.
Also, I think I'm being pretty generous by saying this might get us an extra win in the postseason. Remember when Jake had the fantastic KU game but got sat for most of @MU? Well, the loss to MU put us firmly on the bubble, and in March, Jake got brutally Travoned. "Frank being Frank" is just another way of saying "stupid being stupid".
I don't disagree with what you said, but do you think Frank will ever change? I don't.
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I don't disagree with what you said, but do you think Frank will ever change? I don't.
He's changed his recruiting style. :dunno:
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I don't disagree with what you said, but do you think Frank will ever change? I don't.
He's changed his recruiting style. :dunno:
Yeah, but I think he changed that b/c he wants to be less Frank being Frank.
But when it comes to handling players, when he needs to send a "buy in or quit" message, he's going to send it. Probably his biggest weakness, but I don't expect him to change. If it doesn't work, he'll be finding another job (eventually) I guess.
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Oh well, hopefully we can get enough "right fitters" to limp our way into the NCAA tourney every now and again . . . important to have a couple of guys that Frank can play head games with as well.
The "Whatever Frank does or says is fine by me" crowd is having to dig deep into the playbook right now . . . dig real, real deep.
Deity level in 3 years . . . only at K-State.
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Guys, we went to the Elite Eight last year and he hasn't lost a game yet this year.
At LEAST do the guy a favor by waiting to see what happens with VT before you run him into the ground.
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marfan strikes again :cry:
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Would do marfan chick. :thumbsup:
Was thinking the same thing. :fatty:
I would do things to her that may be illegal in some countries
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Guys, we went to the Elite Eight last year and he hasn't lost a game yet this year.
At LEAST do the guy a favor by waiting to see what happens with VT before you run him into the ground.
While I tend to agree, message boards wouldn't be any fun if all the fans did that.
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Will be ranked in the 20s in 2 weeks.
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Oh well, hopefully we can get enough "right fitters" to limp our way into the NCAA tourney every now and again . . . important to have a couple of guys that Frank can play head games with as well.
The "Whatever Frank does or says is fine by me" crowd is having to dig deep into the playbook right now . . . dig real, real deep.
Deity level in 3 years . . . only at K-State.
Frank did literally save our basketball program. Literally.
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Will be ranked in the 20s in 2 weeks.
and?
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The only in season value in being ranked high in the preseason or early portion of the season is that a few losses here and there don't hurt your seeding as much as a loss to a team that is ranked lower.
Being ranked in the preseason is also nice because it shows that a team has earned respect, and a reputation, and a coach can tell a recruit "you see, we've been Sweet 16 two years in a row, and now we're top 5 heading into this season, but we could really use a man like you to help get us into the final four..blah blah blah." It also earns you much needed publicity.
Other than that there is little value in being ranked highly in the preseason. Sure, you might say that #1 seeds are much of the time highly ranked in preseason polls, but that is because they are great basketball teams, not because of any preseason ranking.
In 2009 the preseason top ten included was 1. KU, 2. Mich. St., 3. Texas, 4. UK, 5. Nova, 6. UNC, 7. Purdue, 8. WVU, 9. Duke, 10. Tenn and Butler was #11. Can someone please tell me the valuable role, other than what I described earlier, that being ranked highly in the preseason played for these teams? Because, I don't see it.
Media coverage/exposure. Pretty much all I think it is worth. Different debate about how valuable that is, but making espn highlights/national talking points is definitely top 5 territory, particularly when we are going up against the zags/duke.
Yep. It's all media exposure. Frank himself has commented on the value of getting in the top 25 because it gets us on SportsCenter every night. When you're a top 5 team, you're discussed by every talking head at every freaking halftime of every ESPN game. You're kidding yourself if you think there's no value in that. KIDDING YOURSELF.
Also, I think I'm being pretty generous by saying this might get us an extra win in the postseason. Remember when Jake had the fantastic KU game but got sat for most of @MU? Well, the loss to MU put us firmly on the bubble, and in March, Jake got brutally Travoned. "Frank being Frank" is just another way of saying "stupid being stupid".
Yeah. But we aren't a bubble team this year. I think the possibility that this helps players for the games coming up is more important than this game (which we could still win without Curt). Like I said, Frank is setting this up as a win-win.
"Curt, we can win without you. If you don't want to be here, we'll be fine."
"Curt, we need you out there. You let the team down. Earn back their respect. They need you to lead."
I understand the media and that is real and should be a consideration. But Frank is going to do what he's going to do and I think it has value as well.
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The "Whatever Frank does or says is fine by me" crowd is having to dig deep into the playbook right now . . . dig real, real deep.
Dax, the tards love him for this. They love it when coaches pick discipline over all else. crap, they were playing with comparos between Frank and Hartman the other day.
Frank is in there like swimwear with those guys.
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The only in season value in being ranked high in the preseason or early portion of the season is that a few losses here and there don't hurt your seeding as much as a loss to a team that is ranked lower.
Being ranked in the preseason is also nice because it shows that a team has earned respect, and a reputation, and a coach can tell a recruit "you see, we've been Sweet 16 two years in a row, and now we're top 5 heading into this season, but we could really use a man like you to help get us into the final four..blah blah blah." It also earns you much needed publicity.
Other than that there is little value in being ranked highly in the preseason. Sure, you might say that #1 seeds are much of the time highly ranked in preseason polls, but that is because they are great basketball teams, not because of any preseason ranking.
In 2009 the preseason top ten included was 1. KU, 2. Mich. St., 3. Texas, 4. UK, 5. Nova, 6. UNC, 7. Purdue, 8. WVU, 9. Duke, 10. Tenn and Butler was #11. Can someone please tell me the valuable role, other than what I described earlier, that being ranked highly in the preseason played for these teams? Because, I don't see it.
Media coverage/exposure. Pretty much all I think it is worth. Different debate about how valuable that is, but making espn highlights/national talking points is definitely top 5 territory, particularly when we are going up against the zags/duke.
Yep. It's all media exposure. Frank himself has commented on the value of getting in the top 25 because it gets us on SportsCenter every night. When you're a top 5 team, you're discussed by every talking head at every freaking halftime of every ESPN game. You're kidding yourself if you think there's no value in that. KIDDING YOURSELF.
Also, I think I'm being pretty generous by saying this might get us an extra win in the postseason. Remember when Jake had the fantastic KU game but got sat for most of @MU? Well, the loss to MU put us firmly on the bubble, and in March, Jake got brutally Travoned. "Frank being Frank" is just another way of saying "stupid being stupid".
Yeah. But we aren't a bubble team this year. I think the possibility that this helps players for the games coming up is more important than this game (which we could still win without Curt). Like I said, Frank is setting this up as a win-win.
"Curt, we can win without you. If you don't want to be here, we'll be fine."
"Curt, we need you out there. You let the team down. Earn back their respect. They need you to lead."
I understand the media and that is real and should be a consideration. But Frank is going to do what he's going to do and I think it has value as well.
I don't think that would be very motivating. It would make me less likely to try or feel responsible.
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The "Whatever Frank does or says is fine by me" crowd is having to dig deep into the playbook right now . . . dig real, real deep.
Dax, the tards love him for this. They love it when coaches pick discipline over all else. crap, they were playing with comparos between Frank and Hartman the other day.
Frank is in there like swimwear with those guys.
Well when we do fall out of the top 5 we'll just have to hope some guys lose ahead of us to work our way back in to the national title picture. I mean Frank knows this, we know this, the players know this. But he will do what it takes.
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The only in season value in being ranked high in the preseason or early portion of the season is that a few losses here and there don't hurt your seeding as much as a loss to a team that is ranked lower.
Being ranked in the preseason is also nice because it shows that a team has earned respect, and a reputation, and a coach can tell a recruit "you see, we've been Sweet 16 two years in a row, and now we're top 5 heading into this season, but we could really use a man like you to help get us into the final four..blah blah blah." It also earns you much needed publicity.
Other than that there is little value in being ranked highly in the preseason. Sure, you might say that #1 seeds are much of the time highly ranked in preseason polls, but that is because they are great basketball teams, not because of any preseason ranking.
In 2009 the preseason top ten included was 1. KU, 2. Mich. St., 3. Texas, 4. UK, 5. Nova, 6. UNC, 7. Purdue, 8. WVU, 9. Duke, 10. Tenn and Butler was #11. Can someone please tell me the valuable role, other than what I described earlier, that being ranked highly in the preseason played for these teams? Because, I don't see it.
Media coverage/exposure. Pretty much all I think it is worth. Different debate about how valuable that is, but making espn highlights/national talking points is definitely top 5 territory, particularly when we are going up against the zags/duke.
Yep. It's all media exposure. Frank himself has commented on the value of getting in the top 25 because it gets us on SportsCenter every night. When you're a top 5 team, you're discussed by every talking head at every freaking halftime of every ESPN game. You're kidding yourself if you think there's no value in that. KIDDING YOURSELF.
Also, I think I'm being pretty generous by saying this might get us an extra win in the postseason. Remember when Jake had the fantastic KU game but got sat for most of @MU? Well, the loss to MU put us firmly on the bubble, and in March, Jake got brutally Travoned. "Frank being Frank" is just another way of saying "stupid being stupid".
Yeah. But we aren't a bubble team this year. I think the possibility that this helps players for the games coming up is more important than this game (which we could still win without Curt). Like I said, Frank is setting this up as a win-win.
"Curt, we can win without you. If you don't want to be here, we'll be fine."
"Curt, we need you out there. You let the team down. Earn back their respect. They need you to lead."
I understand the media and that is real and should be a consideration. But Frank is going to do what he's going to do and I think it has value as well.
I don't think that would be very motivating. It would make me less likely to try or feel responsible.
It's his senior season. Getting benched by your college coach doesn't bode well for having any shot at the NBA. Also, have you even seen CK's ego? He wants to matter.
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Ahh, now I see where the Willie Reed "second-semester-schollie" is coming from! :surprised:
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this thread is very :runaway:
too much panic at the disco.
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Yeah. But we aren't a bubble team this year. I think the possibility that this helps players for the games coming up is more important than this game (which we could still win without Curt). Like I said, Frank is setting this up as a win-win.
I just used that game as an example of Frank's stuborness not helping at all. There is no evidence that sitting Curt would help us win games later, but there is evidence that it won't help at all.
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4 years ago......... "Guys, if we win this game there's NO WAY we don't start getting votes!!
Today................."Guys, if Frank benches CK and we lose and drop out of the top 5 I am going to hang myself!!!"
:flush:
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4 years ago......... "Guys, if we win this game there's NO WAY we don't start getting votes!!
Today................."Guys, if Frank benches CK and we lose and drop out of the top 5 I am going to hang myself!!!"
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yeah, your right. Lets go back to "the good old days".
Dumbass.
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4 years ago......... "Guys, if we win this game there's NO WAY we don't start getting votes!!
Today................."Guys, if Frank benches CK and we lose and drop out of the top 5 I am going to hang myself!!!"
:flush:
yeah, your right. Lets go back to "the good old days".
Dumbass.
Ya, that's what I was implying with my message. Orrrrrr I might have been suggesting that without the guy, who you guys are wanting to kill because he is disciplining a player, then we would be like we were 4 years ago.
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Yeah. But we aren't a bubble team this year. I think the possibility that this helps players for the games coming up is more important than this game (which we could still win without Curt). Like I said, Frank is setting this up as a win-win.
I just used that game as an example of Frank's stuborness not helping at all. There is no evidence that sitting Curt would help us win games later, but there is evidence that it won't help at all.
you might want to find more "evidence" because I don't think your "evidence" is actually really "evidence".
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There is no evidence that sitting Curt would help us win games later, but there is evidence that it won't help at all.
This argument is pretty Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
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No it isn't.
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4 years ago......... "Guys, if we win this game there's NO WAY we don't start getting votes!!
Today................."Guys, if Frank benches CK and we lose and drop out of the top 5 I am going to hang myself!!!"
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yeah, your right. Lets go back to "the good old days".
Dumbass.
Ya, that's what I was implying with my message. Orrrrrr I might have been suggesting that without the guy, who you guys are wanting to kill because he is disciplining a player, then we would be like we were 4 years ago.
:dunno:
Hemmy is the only Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) here(no offense Hemmy) that actually wants to fire Frank.
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4 years ago......... "Guys, if we win this game there's NO WAY we don't start getting votes!!
Today................."Guys, if Frank benches CK and we lose and drop out of the top 5 I am going to hang myself!!!"
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Post less, a lot less
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I asked Frank if CK is playing tomorrow and he said, "probably not". I asked if there was anything he could do in the next 24 hours to get in good graces and he said he's in good graces or he'd be off the team.
Full interview airs at 4:00 on WHB.
Now this makes no sense.
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No it isn't.
yes it is. also, i could just as easily argue that frank being tough on jake early in during his freshman year in that game against mu that you are referencing is what turned jake into the preseason all american that he is today and partly responsible for why kstate went to the elite eight last year. granted it would be a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) argument/talking point, but it didn't seem to stop you.
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We won't win without Kelly. That's why I want him to play.
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We won't win without Kelly. That's why I want him to play.
Exactly. If Judge and Asprilla had combined for 20 instead of 2 no one would be saying anything.
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No it isn't.
yes it is. also, i could just as easily argue that frank being tough on jake early in during his freshman year in that game against mu that you are referencing is what turned jake into the preseason all american that he is today and partly responsible for why kstate went to the elite eight last year. granted it would be a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) argument/talking point, but it didn't seem to stop you. are you going to refute my "evidence"?
michigancat's "evidence" only supports his claim that Frank benching players for not trying hard enough makes us lose. You are not allowed to draw evidence from the same situation unless you are supporting his claim. Jake probably should have played under wooldridge, at least he wouldn't have pushed him to be the best he can be because he knew how talented he was without trying that hard.
Your welcome michigancat.
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Frank is just like Hugs . . . there's almost always a level of drama and chaos, and sometimes it plays out well, and sometimes it blows everything up.
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We won't win without Kelly. That's why I want him to play.
Stop being stupid, can you see the goddamn future?
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I just want more near total glory moments and less drama . . .
The problem is, for most k-state fans, the level of near total glory moments they require isn't very high. Thus when a coach provides a near total glory moment at k-state, said coach is thus given a lifetime pass. It has to feel good for Frank right now, he can drive this thing off the road, crash it, get out, set the thing on fire and walk away . . . but he's provided a near total glory moment, and thus he'll get a free pass from the majority.
To Frank . . . :drink:
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I just want more near total glory moments and less drama . . .
The problem is, for most k-state fans, the level of near total glory moments they require isn't very high. Thus when a coach provides a near total glory moment at k-state, said coach is thus given a lifetime pass. It has to feel good for Frank right now, he can drive this thing off the road, crash it, get out, set the thing on fire and walk away . . . but he's provided a near total glory moment, and thus he'll get a free pass from the majority.
To Frank . . . :drink:
If Frank misses the tournament this year, or even has a collapse like Texas did last year, I think you will see the same K-State fans who love Frank now tun really quickly.
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No it isn't.
Yes it is. By your logic, a star athlete should never be benched. After all, "there is no evidence that sitting [player]" will help a team in the longrun.
Or for that matter, no tough decisions should ever be made unless a positive future outcome is guaranteed.
You don't see any problem with this line of logic???
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The dude is a fifth year senior. What really are you going to change at this point.
I just don't want to start the season with a double digit loss to V-Tech because of our shitty post play from a bunch of inexperienced guys running around like a pack of idiots on offense and defense. I see no scenario where that helps us in the long run this year.
Maybe Frank is banking on our guards shooting over 50% from behind the arc again, though. In that case, we'll be fine.
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I just want more near total glory moments and less drama . . .
The problem is, for most k-state fans, the level of near total glory moments they require isn't very high. Thus when a coach provides a near total glory moment at k-state, said coach is thus given a lifetime pass. It has to feel good for Frank right now, he can drive this thing off the road, crash it, get out, set the thing on fire and walk away . . . but he's provided a near total glory moment, and thus he'll get a free pass from the majority.
To Frank . . . :drink:
The problem with this argument is that we are pretty much still involved in a "total glory moment." Coming off an elite eight and being ranked #3 is some pretty big glory for us. Until this year busts like so many people in this thread think is going to happen, then our fanbase will continue to love Frank. If we crash this year and don't get better next, there will be dissent.
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The dude is a fifth year senior. What really are you going to change at this point.
I just don't want to start the season with a double digit loss to V-Tech because of our shitty post play from a bunch of inexperienced guys running around like a pack of idiots on offense and defense. I see no scenario where that helps us in the long run this year.
Maybe Frank is banking on our guards shooting over 50% from behind the arc again, though. In that case, we'll be fine.
Like I said, it is for other player's consumption as well.
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I just don't want to start the season with a double digit loss to V-Tech because of our cacty post play from a bunch of inexperienced guys running around like a pack of idiots on offense and defense. I see no scenario where that helps us in the long run this year.
And maybe our inexperienced guys (especially post players) are running around like idiots on offense and defense, in part, because of Curtis' lack of leadership in practice. And maybe this is unacceptable to Frank.
I say 'maybe' because nobody on here knows anything about this. We don't even know whether Curt is even going to be benched. It's just prognostication being fueled by fear of losing. Words are words. Frank never said Curt wasn't playing. He said he doubts he'll play. That's a big difference, IMO. I mean, Russell played about 15 minutes through two exhibition games and in the post-game Conference Martin was talking about him not "buying in." Yet, on Friday, he started, played about 30 minutes of the game, and had 20 points.
IF, Curtis doesn't play, and we lose, I guess the only question is whether Frank did the right thing. And, my point is that there is no way to know the answer to this question until much later down the road.
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I just don't want to start the season with a double digit loss to V-Tech because of our cacty post play from a bunch of inexperienced guys running around like a pack of idiots on offense and defense. I see no scenario where that helps us in the long run this year.
And maybe our inexperienced guys (especially post players) are running around like idiots on offense and defense, in part, because of Curtis' lack of leadership in practice. And maybe this is unacceptable to Frank.
I say 'maybe' because nobody on here knows anything about this. We don't even know whether Curt is even going to be benched. It's just prognostication being fueled by fear of losing. Words are words. Frank never said Curt wasn't playing. He said he doubts he'll play. That's a big difference, IMO. I mean, Russell played about 15 minutes through two exhibition games and in the post-game Conference Martin was talking about him not "buying in." Yet, on Friday, he started, played about 30 minutes of the game, and had 20 points.
IF, Curtis doesn't play, and we lose, I guess the only question is whether Frank did the right thing. And, my point is that there is no way to know the answer to this question until much later down the road.
My problem is he is benched Tuesday is that the whole point of this is to get the desired leadership and effort out of Curtis. Martin has already said it has worked. He's doing much better according to him. He also said that Curtis was not doing a satisfactory job for 2 weeks before that so he isn't ready to say he can play. So is Frank sitting him through the CBE? Would be a little ludicrous.
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:ck:
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Why is everyone bitching about Martin here? Everyone knows that Brad UnderMYwood is the brains behind the whole operation. Frank is just doing what Brad tells him to do.
It is well known that Brad had been jealous of CK since day 1.
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We're all in a vacuum here because we don't know exactly what Kelly has or hasn't been doing in practice. Clearly, Frank wants him to step up and demonstrate day-to-day effort to younger players. Are we a better team if CK leads by example? Yes. Is Frank going about it the right way? :ck:
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:ck:
CK finally chimes in. I think what he is telling us here is that he is not sure why we are all worked up about this.
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Why is everyone bitching about Martin here? Everyone knows that Brad UnderMYwood is the brains behind the whole operation. Frank is just doing what Brad tells him to do.
It is well known that Brad had been jealous of CK since day 1.
Great post. I was getting impatient waiting for someone else to blow the lid off this situation... :zip:
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No it isn't.
Yes it is. By your logic, a star athlete should never be benched. After all, "there is no evidence that sitting [player]" will help a team in the longrun.
Or for that matter, no tough decisions should ever be made unless a positive future outcome is guaranteed.
You don't see any problem with this line of logic???
I think you're confusing "tough decisions" with "Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) decisions". Based on what we know (CK has been loafing in practice or something), Frank has an easy decision in front of him...he is just being a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
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There is a reason that Frank has been saying that CK "probably" wont play this whole time. If he was going to sit CK he would have made the decision by now and it would be public. CK will play Frank has already made up his mind.
At least that is how I see it. If that is not the case and CK has been giving ample effort -- which by all accounts is the case-- yet is still benched for VT, then we are in trouble. It will send a horrible message and completely deflate CK, who in my opinion could be one of the better ambassadors of our program to future recruits. Frank wants none of that.
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It has to feel good for Frank right now, he can drive this thing off the road, crash it, get out, set the thing on fire and walk away . . . but he's provided a near total glory moment, and thus he'll get a free pass from the majority.
I think this is called pulling a Sutton. :dunno:
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There is a reason that Frank has been saying that CK "probably" wont play this whole time. If he was going to sit CK he would have made the decision by now and it would be public. CK will play Frank has already made up his mind.
At least that is how I see it. If that is not the case and CK has been giving ample effort -- which by all accounts is the case-- yet is still benched for VT, then we are in trouble. It will send a horrible message and completely deflate CK, who in my opinion could be one of the better ambassadors of our program to future recruits. Frank wants none of that.
Not true imo. We didn't find out about the first benching publicly until Fri morning. But Frank could just have effectively said that "Curtis will decide by his effort in practice whether or not he will play." Instead he said "probably not." :flush:
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There is a reason that Frank has been saying that CK "probably" wont play this whole time. If he was going to sit CK he would have made the decision by now and it would be public. CK will play Frank has already made up his mind.
At least that is how I see it. If that is not the case and CK has been giving ample effort -- which by all accounts is the case-- yet is still benched for VT, then we are in trouble. It will send a horrible message and completely deflate CK, who in my opinion could be one of the better ambassadors of our program to future recruits. Frank wants none of that.
I hope you're right. I obviously retract everything I've said if he plays. But will the morons who would applaud Frank for benching CK consider CK playing an "inmates running the asylum" situation?
:surprised:
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There is a reason that Frank has been saying that CK "probably" wont play this whole time. If he was going to sit CK he would have made the decision by now and it would be public. CK will play Frank has already made up his mind.
At least that is how I see it. If that is not the case and CK has been giving ample effort -- which by all accounts is the case-- yet is still benched for VT, then we are in trouble. It will send a horrible message and completely deflate CK, who in my opinion could be one of the better ambassadors of our program to future recruits. Frank wants none of that.
I hope you're right. I obviously retract everything I've said if he plays. But will the morons who would applaud Frank for benching CK consider CK playing an "inmates running the asylum" situation?
:surprised:
No they'll spin it as a positive. These people are pros.
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There is a reason that Frank has been saying that CK "probably" wont play this whole time. If he was going to sit CK he would have made the decision by now and it would be public. CK will play Frank has already made up his mind.
At least that is how I see it. If that is not the case and CK has been giving ample effort -- which by all accounts is the case-- yet is still benched for VT, then we are in trouble. It will send a horrible message and completely deflate CK, who in my opinion could be one of the better ambassadors of our program to future recruits. Frank wants none of that.
I hope you're right. I obviously retract everything I've said if he plays. But will the morons who would applaud Frank for benching CK consider CK playing an "inmates running the asylum" situation?
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No, because they think Frank is always right.
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But will the morons who would applaud Frank for benching CK consider CK playing an "inmates running the asylum" situation?
:surprised:
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Not if Frank mentioned in the post game that CK really responded to the discipline. The tards would eat that up as proof that this type of coaching works.
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Not if Frank mentioned in the post game that CK really responded to the discipline. The tards would eat that up as proof that this type of coaching works.
Yeah, that would be fantastic tard manipulation by Frank. Tardipulation if you will.
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There is a reason that Frank has been saying that CK "probably" wont play this whole time. If he was going to sit CK he would have made the decision by now and it would be public. CK will play Frank has already made up his mind.
At least that is how I see it. If that is not the case and CK has been giving ample effort -- which by all accounts is the case-- yet is still benched for VT, then we are in trouble. It will send a horrible message and completely deflate CK, who in my opinion could be one of the better ambassadors of our program to future recruits. Frank wants none of that.
I hope you're right. I obviously retract everything I've said if he plays. But will the morons who would applaud Frank for benching CK consider CK playing an "inmates running the asylum" situation?
:surprised:
I won't applaud Frank for it because I think that since CK has responded, it is time to let it go. But, I will stay firmly on the Frank train until the rest of the season plays out to see if we still have a satisfactory season (read: Big 12 banner/final four) after all of this.
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Yeah, that would be fantastic tard manipulation by Frank. Tardipulation if you will.
:lol:
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Frank is going to do plenty of crap I disagree with. However, I am on the Frank train until things start regressing.
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It's just prognostication being fueled by fear of losing.
This
I still think he plays, and if he doesn't, I hope we don't lose.
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Frank is going to do plenty of cac I disagree with. However, I am on the Frank train until things start regressing.
Exactly. There's a difference between trusting that Frank has a plan and being a blind tard. I disagree with the handling of this situation, I wouldn't do it that way, but I'm going to wait and see how Curt looks and the team looks in KC before my first complete meltdown.
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I have nothing to add to this thread so I will just post this: :alleyoop:
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Frank is going to do plenty of cac I disagree with. However, I am on the Frank train until things start regressing.
Exactly. There's a difference between trusting that Frank has a plan and being a blind tard. I disagree with the handling of this situation, I wouldn't do it that way, but I'm going to wait and see how Curt looks and the team looks in KC before my first complete meltdown.
I'll meltdown if we lost to Va Tech. Like, you don't even know.
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If Frank backs down then maybe this was the motivation or C-Kel legit improved (probably some combo). If he does sit Kelly, then I don't know what the hell is going on, maybe it is pretty serious, but it could also just be Frank trying to control the expectations of the team. Maybe he is gambling here to get the team ready for CBE/KC.
Look I'm not saying this is some brilliant move, I'm just saying that Frank regularly does this and so far it seems like his head games have paid off.
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What will the tards say if :ck: plays and we lose anyway?
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I don't think i'd want to play for Frank if I was some high recruit. I can see why recruiting has been slightly better than mediocre lately. I'd rather just cash my check at UK or have 4somes at KU.
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What will the tards say if :ck: plays and we lose anyway?
CK will be written off as a bad person with ego issues that discipline can't fix. They will also probably second guess Frank about how long he sat him and say that it should have been a few more games since he obviously doesn't help us anyway.
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What will the tards say if :ck: plays and we lose anyway?
CK will be written off as a bad person with ego issues that discipline can't fix. They will also probably second guess Frank about how long he sat him and say that it should have been a few more games since he obviously doesn't help us anyway.
This is what I'm thinking. But they also think that Frank can do no wrong. It would be interesting to see which line of thought wins out.
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I'll meltdown if we lost to Va Tech. Like, you don't even know.
oh I know...I def. know
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What will the tards say if :ck: plays and we lose anyway?
CK will be written off as a bad person with ego issues that discipline can't fix. They will also probably second guess Frank about how long he sat him and say that it should have been a few more games since he obviously doesn't help us anyway.
This is what I'm thinking. But they also think that Frank can do no wrong. It would be interesting to see which line of thought wins out.
I think it would be more interesting to win. By like 10 or more.
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CK will be written off as a bad person with ego issues that discipline can't fix. They will also probably second guess Frank about how long he sat him and say that it should have been a few more games since he obviously doesn't help us anyway.
Need some clarification.. Am I a tard because I haven't prejudged a decision that Frank hasn't made yet and the potential negative effect that it may possibly have on a game that hasn't been played?
TIA.
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frank martin is a god
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Exactly. There's a difference between trusting that Frank has a plan and being a blind tard. I disagree with the handling of this situation, I wouldn't do it that way, but I'm going to wait and see how Curt looks and the team looks in KC before my first complete meltdown.
I would point out here that you really don't have any idea what CK's "situation" really is, beyond what Frank has indicated in the public. You may not like the outcome of Frank's handling of it, but not sure how you can have an opinion one way or the other on his handling of it without more info.
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melting down about non-issues like this make melting down about actual issues and games less fun for me. probably on an island here though. go back to all the pro/anti frank ck handling tardtalk fellas.
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CK will be written off as a bad person with ego issues that discipline can't fix. They will also probably second guess Frank about how long he sat him and say that it should have been a few more games since he obviously doesn't help us anyway.
Need some clarification.. Am I a tard because I haven't prejudged a decision that Frank hasn't made yet and the potential negative effect that it may possibly have on a game that hasn't been played?
TIA.
It has much more to do with how you view the situation after the game than how you view the situation right now. If CK doesn't play and we lose, yet you applaud Frank for sticking to his guns and not playing our best post player, you are a tard.
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CK will be written off as a bad person with ego issues that discipline can't fix. They will also probably second guess Frank about how long he sat him and say that it should have been a few more games since he obviously doesn't help us anyway.
Need some clarification.. Am I a tard because I haven't prejudged a decision that Frank hasn't made yet and the potential negative effect that it may possibly have on a game that hasn't been played?
TIA.
It has much more to do with how you view the situation after the game than how you view the situation right now. If CK doesn't play and we lose, yet you applaud Frank for sticking to his guns and not playing our best post player, you are a tard.
Pullen had a little question/answer session on Twitter today. I think CK and Frank will work out whatever differences they have and CK will dominate like he has in the past.
@RealMikeT I think curtis is and will become the leader frank wants
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I remember when frank sat out bill walker 4 years ago for the nebraska game and he played better the next game. I think he is doing the same thing ck and ck will come out a be a better player and leader.
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Exactly. There's a difference between trusting that Frank has a plan and being a blind tard. I disagree with the handling of this situation, I wouldn't do it that way, but I'm going to wait and see how Curt looks and the team looks in KC before my first complete meltdown.
I would point out here that you really don't have any idea what CK's "situation" really is, beyond what Frank has indicated in the public. You may not like the outcome of Frank's handling of it, but not sure how you can have an opinion one way or the other on his handling of it without more info.
Thanks captain. All of this makes logical sense to me, but if we left it at that message boarding wouldn't be nearly as fun.
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I remember when frank sat out bill walker 4 years ago for the nebraska game and he played better the next game. I think he is doing the same thing ck and ck will come out a be a better player and leader.
was Bill's 0-fer game against UT before or after this?
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I think CK and Frank will work out whatever differences they have and CK will dominate like he has in the past.
CK WILL DOMINATE!!!111111111!!!!!!!!!
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krusty's too Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) to be manipulated.
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Frank on BITB in the 4:00 hour explaining why he's stealing opportunities from young men like Curtis Kelly
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I think CK and Frank will work out whatever differences they have and CK will dominate like he has in the past.
CK WILL DOMINATE!!!111111111!!!!!!!!!
No doubt there is a lot of hugging and a declaration over twitter of how much someone loves their bros.
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Frank on BITB in the 4:00 hour explaining why he's stealing opportunities from young men like Curtis Kelly
I really do hope it is approached in this way. not that I believe this, but it would be a fantastic afternoon or radio.
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What will the tards say if :ck: plays and we lose anyway?
CK will be written off as a bad person with ego issues that discipline can't fix. They will also probably second guess Frank about how long he sat him and say that it should have been a few more games since he obviously doesn't help us anyway.
This is what I'm thinking. But they also think that Frank can do no wrong. It would be interesting to see which line of thought wins out.
This is not 100% accurate. Many of them hate Frank and how much he says naughty curse words.
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I remember when frank sat out bill walker 4 years ago for the nebraska game and he played better the next game. I think he is doing the same thing ck and ck will come out a be a better player and leader.
was Bill's 0-fer game against UT before or after this?
2 games after. The next 3 games were losses.
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I remember when frank sat out bill walker 4 years ago for the nebraska game and he played better the next game. I think he is doing the same thing ck and ck will come out a be a better player and leader.
Hmm.....good point. I say we sit out one guy a night and rotate. That way, the next game they will play amazing. Wow, this could work. Good catch ksufrenchy22.
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I remember when frank sat out bill walker 4 years ago for the nebraska game and he played better the next game. I think he is doing the same thing ck and ck will come out a be a better player and leader.
was Bill's 0-fer game against UT before or after this?
Neither. Bill played in both Nebraska games. Not sure what game that guy is talking about, Bill played all 16 Big XII games.
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I remember when frank sat out bill walker 4 years ago for the nebraska game and he played better the next game. I think he is doing the same thing ck and ck will come out a be a better player and leader.
was Bill's 0-fer game against UT before or after this?
Neither. Bill played in both Nebraska games. Not sure what game that guy is talking about, Bill played all 16 Big XII games.
He was benched during the game in Lincoln and the cats proceeded to lose.
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I remember when frank sat out bill walker 4 years ago for the nebraska game and he played better the next game. I think he is doing the same thing ck and ck will come out a be a better player and leader.
was Bill's 0-fer game against UT before or after this?
Neither. Bill played in both Nebraska games. Not sure what game that guy is talking about, Bill played all 16 Big XII games.
Ya, Bill was benched for the remainder of the NU game after getting T'd up
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I remember when frank sat out bill walker 4 years ago for the nebraska game and he played better the next game. I think he is doing the same thing ck and ck will come out a be a better player and leader.
was Bill's 0-fer game against UT before or after this?
Neither. Bill played in both Nebraska games. Not sure what game that guy is talking about, Bill played all 16 Big XII games.
Ya, Bill was benched for the remainder of the NU game after getting T'd up
Big difference between getting benched in the middle of a game vs. not dressed for a game.
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I remember when frank sat out bill walker 4 years ago for the nebraska game and he played better the next game. I think he is doing the same thing ck and ck will come out a be a better player and leader.
was Bill's 0-fer game against UT before or after this?
Neither. Bill played in both Nebraska games. Not sure what game that guy is talking about, Bill played all 16 Big XII games.
Ya, Bill was benched for the remainder of the NU game after getting T'd up
Big difference between getting benched in the middle of a game vs. not dressed for a game.
When we lose to NU with me in attendance there is absolutely no difference
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bill scored 31 points during the baylor game. hope that ck plays this game and does the same thing. :thumbsup:
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I remember when frank sat out bill walker 4 years ago for the nebraska game and he played better the next game. I think he is doing the same thing ck and ck will come out a be a better player and leader.
was Bill's 0-fer game against UT before or after this?
Neither. Bill played in both Nebraska games. Not sure what game that guy is talking about, Bill played all 16 Big XII games.
Ya, Bill was benched for the remainder of the NU game after getting T'd up
Big difference between getting benched in the middle of a game vs. not dressed for a game.
literally no one else had a problem understanding which game he was talking about.
We lost that game and Bill scored 1 pt at home the next game. GMAFB.
bill scored 31 points during the baylor game. hope that ck plays this game and does the same thing. :thumbsup:
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Wasn't that the NU game were Meric(SP or whatevs) went for something like 41?
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I remember when frank sat out bill walker 4 years ago for the nebraska game and he played better the next game. I think he is doing the same thing ck and ck will come out a be a better player and leader.
was Bill's 0-fer game against UT before or after this?
Neither. Bill played in both Nebraska games. Not sure what game that guy is talking about, Bill played all 16 Big XII games.
Ya, Bill was benched for the remainder of the NU game after getting T'd up
right. anyway, i'm pretty sure the UT game was after Bill's so-called 'benching'.
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I remember when frank sat out bill walker 4 years ago for the nebraska game and he played better the next game. I think he is doing the same thing ck and ck will come out a be a better player and leader.
was Bill's 0-fer game against UT before or after this?
Neither. Bill played in both Nebraska games. Not sure what game that guy is talking about, Bill played all 16 Big XII games.
Ya, Bill was benched for the remainder of the NU game after getting T'd up
Big difference between getting benched in the middle of a game vs. not dressed for a game.
When we lose to NU with me in attendance there is absolutely no difference
There is no difference i preaty sure bill was up set about it and wanted to do better and ck is up set about it and wants to show he can be better.
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Wasn't that the NU game were Meric(SP or whatevs) went for something like 41?
THAT WAS ALL OF THEM :curse:
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Gosh darnit, Frank. Please don't lose this game because you're trying to send a message. You can win this game and still send a message.
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We have an all around better team then when bill played for us so we will not lose three games in a row.
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We have an all around better team then when bill played for us so we will not lose three games in a row.
Our Mike and Bill team would have beat our ass Friday.
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We have an all around better team then when bill played for us so we will not lose three games in a row.
Our Mike and Bill team would have beat our ass Friday.
They had no one who could shoot the three. we have a lot of players that can shoot the three. we have more on the beanch then them and can tire them out.
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I have no doubt this team will be better, but specifically last Friday, this team would have had Beasley put up 50 and 25 on them.
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PITTSBURG ST W 76-66 this was the score of the second game that year when beasley and walker played for us. tells you how well they did at the start of the year.
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Frank on BITB in the 4:00 hour explaining why he's stealing opportunities from young men like Curtis Kelly
i guess it was 3:00. he's on now. apologiez
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Not playing. Great.
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4 p.m. ET: No. 24 Virginia Tech at No. 3 Kansas State (ESPN/ESPN3) -- And here we go. One of the three or four truly marquee matchups of the marathon, Virginia Tech-Kansas State has everything: Two top 25 teams and conference contenders, two brilliant scorers at the guard position (Kansas State's Jacob Pullen and Virginia Tech's Malcolm Delaney) and a raucous home-court environment that will instantly remind you of all you've missed so dearly in the past seven months. It's also a major proving ground for Tech, which has barely missed the NCAA tournament in the past few seasons thanks largely to lackluster nonconference schedules. With a win, the Hokies would go a long way toward solving that problem early. At the very least, Hokies coach Seth Greenberg won't have to hear the scheduling criticism this time around. This is a beast of a game for the his team. And for fans of college hoops, too.
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according to Frank Martin on BITB today at 3:00.
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Wow, I really thought he would be a "game-time" decision, and then he would play.
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So apparently it's a "practice" issue. Anyone know what his deal is? Not running fast enough?
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So apparently it's a "practice" issue. Anyone know what his deal is? Not running fast enough?
:ck:
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dear dumbasses,
Frank didn't say Kelly wasn't playing.
sincerely,
mcmwcat
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So apparently it's a "practice" issue.
no crap. everyone here knew this
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dear dumbasses,
Frank didn't say Kelly wasn't playing.
sincerely,
mcmwcat
Well, what did he say, then?
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the answer to if Kelly was playing tomorrow, 'probably not'
then proceeded to say Kelly was practicing and leading like a chump but that was between he and Curt :lol:
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dear dumbasses,
Frank didn't say Kelly wasn't playing.
sincerely,
mcmwcat
I turned on the radio and heard nothing about CK, and was, in turn, quite confused by the fact that they weren't even talking about it at all. Then at the close KK just went and KSU will be playing VT blah...blah...blah, but no mention of CK being benched. I was relieved.
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did he actually say "chump"..because, lol if so
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dear dumbasses,
Frank didn't say Kelly wasn't playing.
sincerely,
mcmwcat
The weird thing is, Frank has never publicly spoken about the previous suspensions/benchings. I'm kinda thinking he's just pulling this crap to get CK's attention but that he will ultimately let him play tomorrow. (Provided CK keeps practicing hard.)
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did he actually say "chump"..because, lol if so
nope, sorry. i wish. but now it can only be found in the exclusive mcmwcat dvd commentary
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dear dumbasses,
Frank didn't say Kelly wasn't playing.
sincerely,
mcmwcat
The weird thing is, Frank has never publicly spoken about the previous suspensions/benchings. I'm kinda thinking he's just pulling this cac to get CK's attention but that he will ultimately let him play tomorrow. (Provided CK keeps practicing hard.)
You're a genius. Nobody has said this yet
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already added to their podcasts
http://810whb.com/podcasts
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dear dumbasses,
Frank didn't say Kelly wasn't playing.
sincerely,
mcmwcat
The weird thing is, Frank has never publicly spoken about the previous suspensions/benchings. I'm kinda thinking he's just pulling this cac to get CK's attention but that he will ultimately let him play tomorrow. (Provided CK keeps practicing hard.)
You're a genius. Nobody has said this yet
This entire thread is people repeating the same stuff over and over. Always EMAW? more like Alwaysretarded.
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dear dumbasses,
Frank didn't say Kelly wasn't playing.
sincerely,
mcmwcat
The weird thing is, Frank has never publicly spoken about the previous suspensions/benchings. I'm kinda thinking he's just pulling this crap to get CK's attention but that he will ultimately let him play tomorrow. (Provided CK keeps practicing hard.)
probably because the lap dog ksu media never confronted him about it before. or he really doesn't have a history of suspensions and benchings equivalent to what the hyperventilating fan base believes.
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dear dumbasses,
Frank didn't say Kelly wasn't playing.
sincerely,
mcmwcat
The weird thing is, Frank has never publicly spoken about the previous suspensions/benchings. I'm kinda thinking he's just pulling this crap to get CK's attention but that he will ultimately let him play tomorrow. (Provided CK keeps practicing hard.)
probably because the lap dog ksu media never confronted him about it before. or he really doesn't have a history of suspensions and benchings equivalent to what the hyperventilating fan base believes.
Yeah, pretty sure much of the media covering KSU is terrified of Frank.
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He announced the Clemente suspension. And I think the Colon suspension.
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He announced the Clemente suspension. And I think the Colon suspension.
clemente's deal was preemptive.
i can't remember if he said anything or not about colon driving some booster's car while sleeping w/ her.
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What game did Walker piss his shorts in?
Frank should have benched him on the spot.
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What game did Walker piss his shorts in?
Frank should have benched him on the spot.
WE WERE GOING INTO OVERTIME!
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lose Bill for several minutes of play, or let him wet a few towels? If you pick the former, you are a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Plain and simple.
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What if he lets him dress but tells him he's not going to play. Then 8 minutes in he's all, "CK get in the game." BOOM! Lesson learned. Lesson totally learned.
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What if he lets him dress but tells him he's not going to play. Then 8 minutes in he's all, "CK get in the game." BOOM!
Obviously the best solution.
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What if he has him dress with the no-play stuff said above but then sidles up to him in warmups and says, "I hope you brought your jump-tip shoes today" and then hugs the crap out of him and everyone parties.
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If CK ends up getting suspended for Presbyterian too, he might as well have punched a girl (on accident).
He did not punch a girl, accidental or otherwise.
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If CK ends up getting suspended for Presbyterian too, he might as well have punched a girl (on accident).
He did not punch a girl, accidental or otherwise.
:surprised:
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He did not punch a girl, accidental or otherwise.
What if he pissed on a girl and it wasn't an accident.
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maybe its all a rouse to keep vtech from preparing for him.
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He did not punch a girl, accidental or otherwise.
What if he pissed on a girl and it wasn't an accident.
Did she like it? I think that would make a difference. :woot:
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You didn't hear me 2nd guessing Nathan R. Jessup on the code red, so it wouldn't be fair to do it to Frank. I've been waiting my whole adult life for the cats to be good and Frank has made that happen so I'm good with whatever he does as long as we are relavent.
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If CK ends up getting suspended for Presbyterian too, he might as well have punched a girl (on accident).
He did not punch a girl, accidental or otherwise.
trim was making a reference to the lacedarius dunn situation. where he broke his girls (and mother of his child) jaw and was only suspended 3 games by baylor
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What if CK doesn't dress and we still win by 20?
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maybe its all a rouse to keep vtech from preparing for him.
:facepalm:
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What if CK doesn't dress and we still win by 20?
'ship for Reed at semester? (Even though he can't play for a year).
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If CK ends up getting suspended for Presbyterian too, he might as well have punched a girl (on accident).
He did not punch a girl, accidental or otherwise.
trim was making a reference to the lacedarius dunn situation. where he broke his girls (and mother of his child) jaw and was only suspended 3 games by baylor
I'm pretty sure CC knows that
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What if he has him dress with the no-play stuff said above but then sidles up to him in warmups and says, "I hope you brought your jump-tip shoes today" and then hugs the crap out of him and everyone parties.
lol
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maybe its all a rouse to keep vtech from preparing for him.
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forgot the italics, sorry
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No it isn't.
Yes it is. By your logic, a star athlete should never be benched. After all, "there is no evidence that sitting [player]" will help a team in the longrun.
Or for that matter, no tough decisions should ever be made unless a positive future outcome is guaranteed.
You don't see any problem with this line of logic???
I think you're confusing "tough decisions" with "Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) decisions". Based on what we know (CK has been loafing in practice or something), Frank has an easy decision in front of him...he is just being a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
Has Frank been making clearly terrible decisions up to this point? I would tend to say no since his decisions have led us to #3 in the country. I am not saying he is always right but if his message to CK also sends a message to the underclassmen it will be good for the program in the long haul. Sometimes tough decisions are being willing to lose an important non-conference game in order to make sure the teams second best player and #2 leader knows how important he is...
:powerespect: and yet that doesnt make it wrong...
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"buy in or sutton"
qft, pretty much this. Curt won't start but Frank won't allow the game to go south after the first ten minutes without putting him in. So there's that. If he sits all game the meltdown (even in a CLOSE win, which it will be either way) will be epic. :cry:
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No it isn't.
Yes it is. By your logic, a star athlete should never be benched. After all, "there is no evidence that sitting [player]" will help a team in the longrun.
Or for that matter, no tough decisions should ever be made unless a positive future outcome is guaranteed.
You don't see any problem with this line of logic???
I think you're confusing "tough decisions" with "Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) decisions". Based on what we know (CK has been loafing in practice or something), Frank has an easy decision in front of him...he is just being a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
Has Frank been making clearly terrible decisions up to this point? I would tend to say no since his decisions have led us to #3 in the country. I am not saying he is always right but if his message to CK also sends a message to the underclassmen it will be good for the program in the long haul. Sometimes tough decisions are being willing to lose an important non-conference game in order to make sure the teams second best player and #2 leader knows how important he is...
:powerespect: and yet that doesnt make it wrong...
Frank hasn't earned the right to not be questioned yet. I mean, it's not like he's LHC Bill Snyder or something.
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Frank Martin Family Coliseum . . . we're getting closer.
Personally, I think Frank is keeping the playbook shut tight for further down the road.
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Believe me guys- if there is one thing Dax knows, it's how to run a college basketball team!
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Dax is a pussy, that is why he is so negative all the time.
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I am literally laughing aloud at all of you idiots who are surprised at the current situation. I told you months ago that "Coach" Frank Martin was losing control of this program. For a coach who has won nothing of merit he sure does seem to get a lot more slack than a the football coach we CAN and HAS beat his rivals, and CAN and HAS won a conference championship.
While I am sure most of the Martinites around here will be quick to defend him, you will all have to eat a lot of crow after we lose this afternoon in what will be the least shocking upset of a top 3 team in history of college basketball. I would save your anger though, you will to direct it toward the selection committee in March when the Wildcats are on the wrong side of the bubble.
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I am literally laughing aloud at all of you idiots who are surprised at the current situation. I told you months ago that "Coach" Frank Martin was losing control of this program. For a coach who has won nothing of merit he sure does seem to get a lot more slack than a the football coach we CAN and HAS beat his rivals, and CAN and HAS won a conference championship.
While I am sure most of the Martinites around here will be quick to defend him, you will all have to eat a lot of crow after we lose this afternoon in what will be the least shocking upset of a top 3 team in history of college basketball. I would save your anger though, you will to direct it toward the selection committee in March when the Wildcats are on the wrong side of the bubble.
damn you tannoudji. damn you to hell.
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If jt were a pheasant he would be flopping around in his final death throes in someone’s game bag exactly 27.3 seconds after shooting hours started on opening day.
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I am literally laughing aloud at all of you idiots who are surprised at the current situation. I told you months ago that "Coach" Frank Martin was losing control of this program. For a coach who has won nothing of merit he sure does seem to get a lot more slack than a the football coach we CAN and HAS beat his rivals, and CAN and HAS won a conference championship.
While I am sure most of the Martinites around here will be quick to defend him, you will all have to eat a lot of crow after we lose this afternoon in what will be the least shocking upset of a top 3 team in history of college basketball. I would save your anger though, you will to direct it toward the selection committee in March when the Wildcats are on the wrong side of the bubble.
On the way home Friday night, I was thinking that 'noudji had to have loved the game and that there would be a post like this coming.
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I don't care if Kelly plays or not, if we manage to lose to Va Tech in the OOD today I will eat my own dick.
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Curtis will play today according to Seth Davis
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Curtis will play today according to Seth Davis
Seth Davis - Curtis Kelly will not play this afternoon vs Va Tech. Frank Martin texted me that "he is doing a lot better and headed in the rt direction."
5 minutes ago via TweetDeck
dumbass
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Curtis will play today according to Seth Davis
Seth Davis - Curtis Kelly will not play this afternoon vs Va Tech. Frank Martin texted me that "he is doing a lot better and headed in the rt direction."
5 minutes ago via TweetDeck
dumbass
Just ban me SteveDave
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Great, no :ck: means another laughable performance from our frontcourt. 40 year old freddys gonna look like cac and Wally is gonna miss approx 37 2 footers
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Gottlieb just said Kelly will not play tonight...
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Or today for that matter. This day game is rough ridin' with me.
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Nino is still recovering from the concision (wtf?). I have also not seen Jamar.
:surprised:
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Jamar is now warming up.
:ohno:
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Nino is still recovering from the concision (wtf?). I have also not seen Jamar.
:surprised:
:blank:
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Well, it looks as though Frank has decided to pull a "Castro," and turn our basketball program into a college basketball version of a military dictatorship.
:blindfold:
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Jamar is now warming up.
:ohno:
Wait, is that supposed to be "NOW" or "NOT"?
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is the box score wrong? Cause it looks like Kelly is playing.... :gocho:
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lol @ this long, Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) thread and @ m'cat.
loved kelly in the last 15-20 games last year, but he's played one good half-season in his four year college career. if martin hasn't earned the right not to be second guessed, kelly certainly hasn't earned the right to be guessed over a coach.
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lol @ this long, Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) thread and @ m'cat.
loved kelly in the last 15-20 games last year, but he's played one good half-season in his four year college career. if martin hasn't earned the right not to be second guessed, kelly certainly hasn't earned the right to be guessed over a coach.
Wow, that was well stated. Wasn't sure that was possible here.
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lol @ this long, Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) thread and @ m'cat.
loved kelly in the last 15-20 games last year, but he's played one good half-season in his four year college career. if martin hasn't earned the right not to be second guessed, kelly certainly hasn't earned the right to be guessed over a coach.
oh, eff off.
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``It makes Curtis work harder,” Pullen said. ``Now he should see the opportunity in front of him and also the fact we have depth. He also understands now we can win without him.”
http://jeffgoodman.yardbarker.com/blog/jeffgoodman/k_state_pull_en_away_despite_no_kelly_and_limited_jake/3622603
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``It makes Curtis work harder,” Pullen said. ``Now he should see the opportunity in front of him and also the fact we have depth. He also understands now we can win without him.”
http://jeffgoodman.yardbarker.com/blog/jeffgoodman/k_state_pull_en_away_despite_no_kelly_and_limited_jake/3622603
Damn. Great find.
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Jake isn't pulling any punches.
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Didn't think anyone would actually say it.
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``It makes Curtis work harder,” Pullen said. ``Now he should see the opportunity in front of him and also the fact we have depth. He also understands now we can win without him.”
http://jeffgoodman.yardbarker.com/blog/jeffgoodman/k_state_pull_en_away_despite_no_kelly_and_limited_jake/3622603
Damn. Great find.
twitter finds you @goodmanonfox
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``It makes Curtis work harder,” Pullen said. ``Now he should see the opportunity in front of him and also the fact we have depth. He also understands now we can win without him.”
http://jeffgoodman.yardbarker.com/blog/jeffgoodman/k_state_pull_en_away_despite_no_kelly_and_limited_jake/3622603
Damn. Great find.
twitter finds you @goodmanonfox
Yeah I have him on there but I never remember to check it much.
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:ck:
:horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise:
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If it really is an off court issue, I hope weed is all it is
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If it really is an off court issue, I hope weed is all it is
From what I heard, it is.
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If it really is an off court issue, I hope weed is all it is
From what I heard, it is.
This.
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If it really is an off court issue, I hope weed is all it is
From what I heard, it is.
This.
This is excellent news IMO. Much better that he's been :bigtoke: than being an FP, TC, etc.
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Love the fact that Curtis is sitting the same number of games as someone who broke his gf's jaw and was arrested.... You're the man Frank... :powerespect:
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Does Frank know that 80% of the players competing against his team :bong: and don't have to sit out? :curse:
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Love the fact that Curtis is sitting the same number of games as someone who broke his gf's jaw and was arrested.... You're the man Frank... :powerespect:
wow you're the first person to mention this
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Pretty disappointed in Frank right now . . . weed, we're talkin bout weed??
Really Frank??
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Does Frank know that 80% of the players competing against his team :bong: and don't have to sit out? :curse:
That stat should include our team too
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rumor mill saying frank benched ck because he was smoking schwag. top 3 teams don't smoke schwag.
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Had an old shirt tuck tell me that they heard Curt was not going to class. Guess he thinks he is going pro in something other than not sports.
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Does Frank know that 80% of the players competing against his team :bong: and don't have to sit out? :curse:
That stat should include our team too
I'll bet one of the white kids ratted him out. :opcat: :chainsaw: :curse:
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I find it hard to believe that Kelly got caught smoking, but Russell didn't. There is simply no way that Kelly smokes more than Nick.
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Wow Frank's whole tough guy/tough love shtick is getting old . . . serious doubts about the ability of K-State to become a big time basketball school again (and yes, we were a big time basketball school once) now enter into the equation. Class and Weed?? Wow . . .
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Wow Frank's whole tough guy/tough love shtick is getting old . . . serious doubts about the ability of K-State to become a big time basketball school again (and yes, we were a big time basketball school once) now enter into the equation. Class and Weed?? Wow . . .
Frank is intent on doing it the right way. Oh wait, wrong thread. (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=8399.0) :users:
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I think Frank's "right fit" mode was probably the starting point of the slow death spiral.
Oh well, we'll always have our momement of Near Glory in 2010.
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Does Frank know that 80% of the players competing against his team :bong: and don't have to sit out? :curse:
That stat should include our team too
I'll bet one of the white kids ratted him out. :opcat: :chainsaw: :curse:
Guess which white kid isn't on the team anymore........
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Does Frank know that 80% of the players competing against his team :bong: and don't have to sit out? :curse:
That stat should include our team too
I'll bet one of the white kids ratted him out. :opcat: :chainsaw: :curse:
Guess which white kid isn't on the team anymore........
Waitaminute ... Frank's :opcat:?!? He only runs off white kids?!?
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it's not smoke you retards.
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Does Frank know that 80% of the players competing against his team :bong: and don't have to sit out? :curse:
That stat should include our team too
I'll bet one of the white kids ratted him out. :opcat: :chainsaw: :curse:
Guess which white kid isn't on the team anymore........
Waitaminute ... Frank's :opcat:?!? He only runs off white kids?!?
Here you go. (http://www.castefootball.us/articles.asp?sportID=4)
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Does Frank know that 80% of the players competing against his team :bong: and don't have to sit out? :curse:
That stat should include our team too
I'll bet one of the white kids ratted him out. :opcat: :chainsaw: :curse:
Guess which white kid isn't on the team anymore........
Waitaminute ... Frank's :opcat:?!? He only runs off white kids?!?
Here you go. (http://www.castefootball.us/articles.asp?sportID=4)
Just say no to white kids & sports. Why do they make us watch them? :horrorsurprise: :runaway:
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it's not smoke you retards.
Then what is it Daris . . . not smoke? Not class?? what is it then . . .
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it's not smoke you retards.
Then what is it Daris . . . not smoke? Not class?? what is it then . . .
obviously it's not smoke. we wouldn't have been able to put a team on the court for the last 4 years.
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it's not smoke you retards.
Then what is it Daris . . . not smoke? Not class?? what is it then . . .
Off the court issues not related to drugs or putting your penis on a lady in an elevator.
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it's not smoke you retards.
Then what is it Daris . . . not smoke? Not class?? what is it then . . .
Off the court issues not related to drugs or putting your penis on a lady in an elevator.
Not specific enough.
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it's not smoke you retards.
Then what is it Daris . . . not smoke? Not class?? what is it then . . .
not my story to tell. if it was, i'd tell it though because from what i can gather, it isn't a big deal.
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it's not smoke you retards.
Then what is it Daris . . . not smoke? Not class?? what is it then . . .
not my story to tell. if it was, i'd tell it though because from what i can gather, it isn't a big deal.
Thus, making all the more disappointing.
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it's not smoke you retards.
Then what is it Daris . . . not smoke? Not class?? what is it then . . .
obviously it's not smoke. we wouldn't have been able to put a team on the court for the last 4 years.
Frank, like all coaches, isn't afraid to look the other way. But if you are dumb enough to be caught, you deserve the suspension.
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This thread is getting horrible.
Horrible.
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Heard from an not-so-reliable source that Kelly and Pullen were upset with each other about something, and Frank took Pullen's side, meaning Kelly would sit out until it was resolved between him and Pullen. Sounds just as ridiculous as smoking and not going to class, so I figured I would add it to this thread.
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He better f*cking play against Gonzaga. Unless his name is in the paper for doing something illegal or degenerate, he should not sit out at all.
I don't want to lose against the Fewsters and not play Duke b/c that lanky armed forward is sitting on the sideline in a valuer jumpsuit. Since every team feels the need to zone us, we need his 10 foot jumpshot in the middle. JamSam just isn't gettin' it done from that spot.
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He better f*cking play against Gonzaga. Unless his name is in the paper for doing something illegal or degenerate, he should not sit out at all.
I don't want to lose against the Fewsters and not play Duke b/c that lanky armed forward is sitting on the sideline in a valuer jumpsuit. Since every team feels the need to zone us, we need his 10 foot jumpshot in the middle. JamSam just isn't gettin' it done from that spot.
innocent until proven guilty IMO.
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He better f*cking play against Gonzaga. Unless his name is in the paper for doing something illegal or degenerate, he should not sit out at all.
I don't want to lose against the Fewsters and not play Duke b/c that lanky armed forward is sitting on the sideline in a valuer jumpsuit. Since every team feels the need to zone us, we need his 10 foot jumpshot in the middle. JamSam just isn't gettin' it done from that spot.
innocent until proven guilty IMO.
No hullabaloo, how many coaches have we heard say this
We're gonna let the legal system run its course before we make any decision regarding that.
It's a winners philosophy
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well this sure is a shitty thread
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Heard from an not-so-reliable source that Kelly and Pullen were upset with each other about something, and Frank took Pullen's side, meaning Kelly would sit out until it was resolved between him and Pullen. Sounds just as ridiculous as smoking and not going to class, so I figured I would add it to this thread.
I gotta think that not going to class and smoking herb are a better reason to suspend CK than if he and Jake had some argument. I also gotta think that if Curt were bringing it in practice the way Frank expected him to, the smoking/class skipping would matter less.
Amazing how many people consider a 2 gm suspension to CK in late November is really that consequential. :bwpopcorn:
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Love how everyone is melting down even though they have no idea what actually happened. Funny how so many people know better than Frank, even though they actually have no idea what happened.
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Love how everyone is melting down even though they have no idea what actually happened. Funny how so many people know better than Frank, even though they actually have no idea what happened.
+1
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goodmanonfox Jeff Goodman
Just got off the phone with Frank Martin - who confirmed that Curtis Kelly will return from his suspension and will play tomorrow night.
:bball:
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Thank you God!
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Gonna be rusty and cost us the game :ohno:
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goodmanonfox Jeff Goodman
Just got off the phone with Frank Martin - who confirmed that Curtis Kelly will return from his suspension and will play tomorrow night.
:bball:
If Goodman would just read goEMAW, he'd already know this.
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Gonna be well rested, with a huge chip on his shoulder and go for about 17/10.
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CK shoulda just donkey punched a bitch and got his money worth for 3 games.