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Title: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on November 14, 2015, 08:15:38 PM
Tonight's dem debate -- The Bern claims ISIS is a product of climate change - BOOM, he's now my guy.
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on November 14, 2015, 08:17:22 PM
Nobody called him out on his claim. Amazing.
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 14, 2015, 08:32:16 PM
You may be the only watching this debate. Apparently the DNC selected nights with the lowest possible viewership.
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: star seed 7 on November 14, 2015, 08:33:23 PM
jd may be a little obsessed
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: michigancat on November 14, 2015, 08:33:46 PM
You may be the only watching this debate. Apparently the DNC selected nights with the lowest possible viewership.
It is very strange
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on November 14, 2015, 09:12:49 PM
jd may be a little obsessed

I am obsessed with The Bern. He's remarkable in his libtardiness.
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on November 14, 2015, 09:16:01 PM
FYI, I quit watching after 20 min.
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: star seed 7 on November 14, 2015, 09:17:36 PM
jd may be a little obsessed

I am obsessed with The Bern. He's remarkable in his libtardiness.

he sure is  :D
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: wetwillie on November 14, 2015, 09:23:48 PM
They dumped jim Webb, that's a shame.  Bernie looks really flushed tonight.
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 15, 2015, 08:00:20 AM
http://www.politico.com/blogs/live-from-des-moines/2015/11/cbs-democratic-debate-length-215892 (http://www.politico.com/blogs/live-from-des-moines/2015/11/cbs-democratic-debate-length-215892)

:lol: Debate ended early last night. Welp, I guess that's enough questions! :lol:

What a joke. The strategy is obviously just to get Hillary the nomination, limit her exposure as much as possible, and bank/bus their voters to the polls. A party terrified of debate and answering questions is a party bankrupt of ideas.
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 15, 2015, 09:20:22 AM
Wow, I mean outside of an incumbent has a party ever coddled and protected a candidate like this? 
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 15, 2015, 09:37:43 AM
Words, and Orwellian twisting of them, are really, really important to the Democrat Party.

Take, for example, the refusal of any Dem candidate to acknowledge "radical Islam" last night. One of these (well, Hillary at least) could be president of the GOP fucks up their nomination. And she can't even acknowledge the obvious. Who's going to be the first libtard here to defend this?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/15/cbss_john_dickerson_asks_democratic_candidates_if_they_use_the_phrase_radical_islam_none_will.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/15/cbss_john_dickerson_asks_democratic_candidates_if_they_use_the_phrase_radical_islam_none_will.html)
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 15, 2015, 10:05:12 AM
Oh man.... :lol: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/15/hillary_clinton_on_her_wall_street_campaign_donations_i_represented_new_york_on_911.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/15/hillary_clinton_on_her_wall_street_campaign_donations_i_represented_new_york_on_911.html)
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: MakeItRain on November 16, 2015, 04:23:24 PM
Tonight's dem debate -- The Bern claims ISIS is a product of climate change - BOOM, he's now my guy.

He pretty clearly was addressing our reliance on middle eastern oil and the things we do to protect those interests, but yeah he was inarticulate when addressing that, his fault.
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: MakeItRain on November 16, 2015, 04:28:37 PM
You may be the only watching this debate. Apparently the DNC selected nights with the lowest possible viewership.

Wow, I mean outside of an incumbent has a party ever coddled and protected a candidate like this? 

Debbie Wasserman Schultz has made a lot of mistakes in how far she's protecting her gal Hilz, she has even lied on record once about four different people and three of them said she lied and I'm pissed that she hasn't been fired yet. I'm okay with the number of debates, I'm not okay with when they are scheduled, it's a joke and the democrats should be ashamed that they put a structure in place where one person has so much authority as to how these primaries will go.
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 16, 2015, 04:29:48 PM
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/none-of-the-democrats-has-a-strategy-for-isis (http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/none-of-the-democrats-has-a-strategy-for-isis)
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: meow meow on November 16, 2015, 04:31:11 PM
having a debate on a Saturday night just seemed really odd.
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: meow meow on November 16, 2015, 04:31:30 PM
^hot take
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: MakeItRain on November 16, 2015, 05:02:51 PM
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/none-of-the-democrats-has-a-strategy-for-isis (http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/none-of-the-democrats-has-a-strategy-for-isis)

Well, yeah. None of them, democrat or republican have a viable strategy for ISIS. I mean anyone could say what they WOULD do and good on a few republican candidates for doing so, I guess. However, none of them, the former Secretary of State included have had a single intelligence briefing on the current iteration of ISIS so I really don't know just how informed any of the strategies could be.
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: MakeItRain on November 16, 2015, 05:04:43 PM
Oh man.... :lol: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/15/hillary_clinton_on_her_wall_street_campaign_donations_i_represented_new_york_on_911.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/15/hillary_clinton_on_her_wall_street_campaign_donations_i_represented_new_york_on_911.html)

She Rudy'd the crap out of that, it was embarrassing and I am happy to see that she has taken hits from liberal blogs for it.
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 16, 2015, 05:05:50 PM
If it's Trump, Carson or Cruz I'll be looking at the Dem, but can't vote for Hillary.   So I'll either no vote, or just see what other alternatives there are, don't think I can vote for Bernie either, he's just a little too far off in "EVERYTHING WILL BE FREE" Land for me.



Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: ednksu on November 16, 2015, 05:14:38 PM
Words, and Orwellian twisting of them, are really, really important to the Democrat Party.

Take, for example, the refusal of any Dem candidate to acknowledge "radical Islam" last night. One of these (well, Hillary at least) could be president of the GOP fucks up their nomination. And she can't even acknowledge the obvious. Who's going to be the first libtard here to defend this?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/15/cbss_john_dickerson_asks_democratic_candidates_if_they_use_the_phrase_radical_islam_none_will.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/15/cbss_john_dickerson_asks_democratic_candidates_if_they_use_the_phrase_radical_islam_none_will.html)

If you don't understand how fantastic those answers were you probably shouldn't be voting.
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: MakeItRain on November 16, 2015, 05:54:23 PM
Words, and Orwellian twisting of them, are really, really important to the Democrat Party.

Take, for example, the refusal of any Dem candidate to acknowledge "radical Islam" last night. One of these (well, Hillary at least) could be president of the GOP fucks up their nomination. And she can't even acknowledge the obvious. Who's going to be the first libtard here to defend this?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/15/cbss_john_dickerson_asks_democratic_candidates_if_they_use_the_phrase_radical_islam_none_will.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/15/cbss_john_dickerson_asks_democratic_candidates_if_they_use_the_phrase_radical_islam_none_will.html)

I'm sure this is addressed in another thread that I won't read but why when discussing atrocities committed "in the name of christianity" why aren't people as forceful in describing it as radical christianity?
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 16, 2015, 06:16:09 PM
Words, and Orwellian twisting of them, are really, really important to the Democrat Party.

Take, for example, the refusal of any Dem candidate to acknowledge "radical Islam" last night. One of these (well, Hillary at least) could be president of the GOP fucks up their nomination. And she can't even acknowledge the obvious. Who's going to be the first libtard here to defend this?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/15/cbss_john_dickerson_asks_democratic_candidates_if_they_use_the_phrase_radical_islam_none_will.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/15/cbss_john_dickerson_asks_democratic_candidates_if_they_use_the_phrase_radical_islam_none_will.html)

I'm sure this is addressed in another thread that I won't read but why when discussing atrocities committed "in the name of christianity" why aren't people as forceful in describing it as radical christianity?

Because Islam has a unique violence problem and if you can't admit that then I can't help you. Yes, this has been discussed in the "sensible Muslims" thread, the libtards offered about a dozen excuses - I think lack of trade was my favorite - but I think those excuses have all been put to rest.

The notion that atrocities in the name of Christianity are even remotely on par to what's occurring in the name of Islam is laughably absurd. 
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: MakeItRain on November 16, 2015, 10:38:20 PM
Words, and Orwellian twisting of them, are really, really important to the Democrat Party.

Take, for example, the refusal of any Dem candidate to acknowledge "radical Islam" last night. One of these (well, Hillary at least) could be president of the GOP fucks up their nomination. And she can't even acknowledge the obvious. Who's going to be the first libtard here to defend this?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/15/cbss_john_dickerson_asks_democratic_candidates_if_they_use_the_phrase_radical_islam_none_will.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/15/cbss_john_dickerson_asks_democratic_candidates_if_they_use_the_phrase_radical_islam_none_will.html)

I'm sure this is addressed in another thread that I won't read but why when discussing atrocities committed "in the name of christianity" why aren't people as forceful in describing it as radical christianity?

Because Islam has a unique violence problem and if you can't admit that then I can't help you. Yes, this has been discussed in the "sensible Muslims" thread, the libtards offered about a dozen excuses - I think lack of trade was my favorite - but I think those excuses have all been put to rest.

The notion that atrocities in the name of Christianity are even remotely on par to what's occurring in the name of Islam is laughably absurd.

The atrocities committed in the name of Christianity are much more historic and have claimed a lot more bodies. Things that you won't claim like the crusades, slavery, the holocaust, native american ethnic cleansing, klan murders; are much worse than things that muslims won't claim. A religion or group of people practicing that religion shouldn't be held accountable for rhetoric spewed while committing atrocities. Those people in all cases in no way represent the religions and shouldn't get the benefit of a religious tie when all most people want to do is worship their God and want to be left alone to do so.
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 17, 2015, 06:54:47 AM
Words, and Orwellian twisting of them, are really, really important to the Democrat Party.

Take, for example, the refusal of any Dem candidate to acknowledge "radical Islam" last night. One of these (well, Hillary at least) could be president of the GOP fucks up their nomination. And she can't even acknowledge the obvious. Who's going to be the first libtard here to defend this?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/15/cbss_john_dickerson_asks_democratic_candidates_if_they_use_the_phrase_radical_islam_none_will.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/15/cbss_john_dickerson_asks_democratic_candidates_if_they_use_the_phrase_radical_islam_none_will.html)

I'm sure this is addressed in another thread that I won't read but why when discussing atrocities committed "in the name of christianity" why aren't people as forceful in describing it as radical christianity?

Because Islam has a unique violence problem and if you can't admit that then I can't help you. Yes, this has been discussed in the "sensible Muslims" thread, the libtards offered about a dozen excuses - I think lack of trade was my favorite - but I think those excuses have all been put to rest.

The notion that atrocities in the name of Christianity are even remotely on par to what's occurring in the name of Islam is laughably absurd.

The atrocities committed in the name of Christianity are much more historic and have claimed a lot more bodies. Things that you won't claim like the crusades, slavery, the holocaust, native american ethnic cleansing, klan murders; are much worse than things that muslims won't claim. A religion or group of people practicing that religion shouldn't be held accountable for rhetoric spewed while committing atrocities. Those people in all cases in no way represent the religions and shouldn't get the benefit of a religious tie when all most people want to do is worship their God and want to be left alone to do so.

This isn't a matter of playing some historical blame game, libtard. What matters is what's happening now.

Furthermore, some of your examples are laughable. The Crusades were wars largely started by Muslim aggression. The holocaust was not perpetrated in the name of Christianity. Christians led the "crusade" for abolition of slavery.
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: MakeItRain on November 17, 2015, 06:17:33 PM
Words, and Orwellian twisting of them, are really, really important to the Democrat Party.

Take, for example, the refusal of any Dem candidate to acknowledge "radical Islam" last night. One of these (well, Hillary at least) could be president of the GOP fucks up their nomination. And she can't even acknowledge the obvious. Who's going to be the first libtard here to defend this?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/15/cbss_john_dickerson_asks_democratic_candidates_if_they_use_the_phrase_radical_islam_none_will.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/15/cbss_john_dickerson_asks_democratic_candidates_if_they_use_the_phrase_radical_islam_none_will.html)

I'm sure this is addressed in another thread that I won't read but why when discussing atrocities committed "in the name of christianity" why aren't people as forceful in describing it as radical christianity?

Because Islam has a unique violence problem and if you can't admit that then I can't help you. Yes, this has been discussed in the "sensible Muslims" thread, the libtards offered about a dozen excuses - I think lack of trade was my favorite - but I think those excuses have all been put to rest.

The notion that atrocities in the name of Christianity are even remotely on par to what's occurring in the name of Islam is laughably absurd.

The atrocities committed in the name of Christianity are much more historic and have claimed a lot more bodies. Things that you won't claim like the crusades, slavery, the holocaust, native american ethnic cleansing, klan murders; are much worse than things that muslims won't claim. A religion or group of people practicing that religion shouldn't be held accountable for rhetoric spewed while committing atrocities. Those people in all cases in no way represent the religions and shouldn't get the benefit of a religious tie when all most people want to do is worship their God and want to be left alone to do so.

This isn't a matter of playing some historical blame game, libtard. What matters is what's happening now.

Furthermore, some of your examples are laughable. The Crusades were wars largely started by Muslim aggression. The holocaust was not perpetrated in the name of Christianity. Christians led the "crusade" for abolition of slavery.

Oh, so you want to distance Christianity from atrocities that people have linked to Christianity. Very good, I'm glad that we agree and I'm certain that you will now not tie Islam to atrocities committed by terrorists. Happy to see you opening your mind ksuw :cheers:
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 17, 2015, 06:21:12 PM
Words, and Orwellian twisting of them, are really, really important to the Democrat Party.

Take, for example, the refusal of any Dem candidate to acknowledge "radical Islam" last night. One of these (well, Hillary at least) could be president of the GOP fucks up their nomination. And she can't even acknowledge the obvious. Who's going to be the first libtard here to defend this?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/15/cbss_john_dickerson_asks_democratic_candidates_if_they_use_the_phrase_radical_islam_none_will.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/15/cbss_john_dickerson_asks_democratic_candidates_if_they_use_the_phrase_radical_islam_none_will.html)

I'm sure this is addressed in another thread that I won't read but why when discussing atrocities committed "in the name of christianity" why aren't people as forceful in describing it as radical christianity?

Because Islam has a unique violence problem and if you can't admit that then I can't help you. Yes, this has been discussed in the "sensible Muslims" thread, the libtards offered about a dozen excuses - I think lack of trade was my favorite - but I think those excuses have all been put to rest.

The notion that atrocities in the name of Christianity are even remotely on par to what's occurring in the name of Islam is laughably absurd.

The atrocities committed in the name of Christianity are much more historic and have claimed a lot more bodies. Things that you won't claim like the crusades, slavery, the holocaust, native american ethnic cleansing, klan murders; are much worse than things that muslims won't claim. A religion or group of people practicing that religion shouldn't be held accountable for rhetoric spewed while committing atrocities. Those people in all cases in no way represent the religions and shouldn't get the benefit of a religious tie when all most people want to do is worship their God and want to be left alone to do so.

This isn't a matter of playing some historical blame game, libtard. What matters is what's happening now.

Furthermore, some of your examples are laughable. The Crusades were wars largely started by Muslim aggression. The holocaust was not perpetrated in the name of Christianity. Christians led the "crusade" for abolition of slavery.

Oh, so you want to distance Christianity from atrocities that people have linked to Christianity. Very good, I'm glad that we agree and I'm certain that you will now not tie Islam to atrocities committed by terrorists. Happy to see you opening your mind ksuw :cheers:

So most of your examples are fallacious, yet somehow you feel you've proven your point that Islam is no more prone to violent extremism than Christianity. :lol:

Show of hands, anybody else agree with MIR on this one? Step forward! :lol:
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: wetwillie on November 17, 2015, 06:21:49 PM
The holocaust and slavery tied to Christendom?   I must not have paid attention in history.
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: sys on November 17, 2015, 06:55:26 PM
instead of arguing about whether christianity or islam has historically inspired the most violence, i think it's more interesting to consider whether the two of them are identifiably more violent than all other extant religions (at least major religions).  my sense is that they are, but i haven't put any effort into confirming or refuting that thought.

afaik, they are the only two extant major religions that are determinedly evangelical in nature.  my sense is that violence is correlated with that characteristic.
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: MakeItRain on November 17, 2015, 07:11:20 PM
The holocaust and slavery tied to Christendom?   I must not have paid attention in history.

Glad you asked wetwillie! You think our Christ based education would talk about this in detail? When they discussed Martin Luther and the Protestant Reformation did they talk about his anti-Semitism? Anyway here you go.
Holocaust:
http://www.jstor.org/stable/1453766?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
http://blogs.bu.edu/guidedhistory/jews-in-russia-and-eastern-europe/shoshana-koff/
http://www.sixmillioncrucifixions.com/Endorsements.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Luther_on_Jews.html

Slavery:
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/12/how-the-bible-was-used-to-justify-slavery-abolitionism/
http://www.evilbible.com/Slavery.htm
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2013/09/17/slavery-segregation-and-biblical-literalism-contd/
https://friendsofjustice.wordpress.com/2013/09/17/the-southern-roots-of-biblical-literalism/
http://benirwin.me/2012/07/27/slavery-and-the-folly-of-biblical-literalism/

If you're interested I have other links for the other things that ksuw doesn't want to be associated with like, native american culture clensing, the Bosnian genocide of the 90s, the current genocide in Central Africa, and much more.
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: sys on November 17, 2015, 07:13:58 PM
mir, i would distinguish between violence inspired by religion and violence accompanied by religious justification.
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: MakeItRain on November 17, 2015, 07:26:53 PM
instead of arguing about whether christianity or islam has historically inspired the most violence, i think it's more interesting to consider whether the two of them are identifiably more violent than all other extant religions (at least major religions).  my sense is that they are, but i haven't put any effort into confirming or refuting that thought.

afaik, they are the only two extant major religions that are determinedly evangelical in nature.  my sense is that violence is correlated with that characteristic.

I'm not arguing that one is more violent than the other, my argument is that nether religion should be identified by an extreme minority of people practicing the religions. If anything I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of Christians that want extremism and Islam tied together. I'm sure there are plenty of Islamic hypocrites making the same arguments as Christian hypocrites but I don't have to deal with them everyday. The ironic part is that both groups of hypocrites give birth to the extremism the two sides want to label the other with.

As far as why these two religions appear to be the only two with a taste for violence, I think it's an issue of the sheer number of each and that they appear to be the more mobile of the two religions. When talking about world religions we only have a big four; Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, and Islam. Buddhism and Hinduism haven't had to deal with turf warfare as much as the other two, I'd be willing to bet that if Hinduism and Buddhism weren't so globally contained there would be more violence committed under the guise of those religions. I would assume that the Indian/Pakistan conflict has some elements of this, and of course Buddist links are historically violent with each other and with governments so there's no reason to believe they won't fight for land if need be.
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 17, 2015, 07:27:24 PM
What about Croat genocide of Serbs during WWII?  Got anything on that?
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: MakeItRain on November 17, 2015, 07:30:05 PM
mir, i would distinguish between violence inspired by religion and violence accompanied by religious justification.

Probably right but how would the people victimized feel? I know muslims who think ISIS are the world's biggest islamaphobes. Either way it's a slippery slope, thin line, whatever cliche you want to use.
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: MakeItRain on November 17, 2015, 07:31:15 PM
What about Croat genocide of Serbs during WWII?  Got anything on that?

What about it?
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 17, 2015, 07:43:24 PM
Got anything on it? 
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: MakeItRain on November 17, 2015, 07:44:25 PM
Got anything on it?

No, why would I?
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: wetwillie on November 17, 2015, 07:47:20 PM
The holocaust and slavery tied to Christendom?   I must not have paid attention in history.

Glad you asked wetwillie! You think our Christ based education would talk about this in detail? When they discussed Martin Luther and the Protestant Reformation did they talk about his anti-Semitism? Anyway here you go.
Holocaust:
http://www.jstor.org/stable/1453766?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
http://blogs.bu.edu/guidedhistory/jews-in-russia-and-eastern-europe/shoshana-koff/
http://www.sixmillioncrucifixions.com/Endorsements.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Luther_on_Jews.html

Slavery:
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/12/how-the-bible-was-used-to-justify-slavery-abolitionism/
http://www.evilbible.com/Slavery.htm
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2013/09/17/slavery-segregation-and-biblical-literalism-contd/
https://friendsofjustice.wordpress.com/2013/09/17/the-southern-roots-of-biblical-literalism/
http://benirwin.me/2012/07/27/slavery-and-the-folly-of-biblical-literalism/

If you're interested I have other links for the other things that ksuw doesn't want to be associated with like, native american culture clensing, the Bosnian genocide of the 90s, the current genocide in Central Africa, and much more.


That's pretty crazy stuff, I didn't know Luther laid the foundations of the nazi party.
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: MakeItRain on November 17, 2015, 07:54:59 PM
The holocaust and slavery tied to Christendom?   I must not have paid attention in history.

Glad you asked wetwillie! You think our Christ based education would talk about this in detail? When they discussed Martin Luther and the Protestant Reformation did they talk about his anti-Semitism? Anyway here you go.
Holocaust:
http://www.jstor.org/stable/1453766?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
http://blogs.bu.edu/guidedhistory/jews-in-russia-and-eastern-europe/shoshana-koff/
http://www.sixmillioncrucifixions.com/Endorsements.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Luther_on_Jews.html

Slavery:
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/12/how-the-bible-was-used-to-justify-slavery-abolitionism/
http://www.evilbible.com/Slavery.htm
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2013/09/17/slavery-segregation-and-biblical-literalism-contd/
https://friendsofjustice.wordpress.com/2013/09/17/the-southern-roots-of-biblical-literalism/
http://benirwin.me/2012/07/27/slavery-and-the-folly-of-biblical-literalism/

If you're interested I have other links for the other things that ksuw doesn't want to be associated with like, native american culture clensing, the Bosnian genocide of the 90s, the current genocide in Central Africa, and much more.


That's pretty crazy stuff, I didn't know Luther laid the foundations of the nazi party.

I see we're now being Intentionally simplistic. I will say that when I hear people say that Islam is designed for violence because of the teachings of Muhammad, I think about some people accusing Martin Luther of anti-Semitism, none of it is particularly fair.
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 17, 2015, 08:04:41 PM
The holocaust and slavery tied to Christendom?   I must not have paid attention in history.

Glad you asked wetwillie! You think our Christ based education would talk about this in detail? When they discussed Martin Luther and the Protestant Reformation did they talk about his anti-Semitism? Anyway here you go.
Holocaust:
http://www.jstor.org/stable/1453766?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
http://blogs.bu.edu/guidedhistory/jews-in-russia-and-eastern-europe/shoshana-koff/
http://www.sixmillioncrucifixions.com/Endorsements.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Luther_on_Jews.html

Slavery:
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/12/how-the-bible-was-used-to-justify-slavery-abolitionism/
http://www.evilbible.com/Slavery.htm
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2013/09/17/slavery-segregation-and-biblical-literalism-contd/
https://friendsofjustice.wordpress.com/2013/09/17/the-southern-roots-of-biblical-literalism/
http://benirwin.me/2012/07/27/slavery-and-the-folly-of-biblical-literalism/

If you're interested I have other links for the other things that ksuw doesn't want to be associated with like, native american culture clensing, the Bosnian genocide of the 90s, the current genocide in Central Africa, and much more.


That's pretty crazy stuff, I didn't know Luther laid the foundations of the nazi party.

I see we're now being Intentionally simplistic. I will say that when I hear people say that Islam is designed for violence because of the teachings of Muhammad, I think about some people accusing Martin Luther of anti-Semitism, none of it is particularly fair.

The part about Mohammed is. But otherwise I agree.

You know what you don't hear very often? "You know that warlord pedophile Muhammed? - he's really misunderstood, man."
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 17, 2015, 08:13:08 PM

Got anything on it?

No, why would I?

Just curious.

Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: sys on November 17, 2015, 08:59:58 PM
I know muslims who think ISIS are the world's biggest islamaphobes.

i mean, they definitely are.
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: sys on November 17, 2015, 09:02:48 PM
As far as why these two religions appear to be the only two with a taste for violence, I think it's an issue of the sheer number of each and that they appear to be the more mobile of the two religions.

i think it's more than that, but i admit my opinion is founded on little but a few moments of reflection.
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 17, 2015, 09:06:51 PM
I found this article and pictures to be interesting.

http://rarehistoricalphotos.com/muslim-waffen-ss-13th-division-1943/
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: MakeItRain on November 17, 2015, 11:48:01 PM
Uh, cool? :dunno:
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: MakeItRain on March 01, 2016, 10:24:22 PM
You may be the only watching this debate. Apparently the DNC selected nights with the lowest possible viewership.

Wow, I mean outside of an incumbent has a party ever coddled and protected a candidate like this? 

Debbie Wasserman Schultz has made a lot of mistakes in how far she's protecting her gal Hilz, she has even lied on record once about four different people and three of them said she lied and I'm pissed that she hasn't been fired yet. I'm okay with the number of debates, I'm not okay with when they are scheduled, it's a joke and the democrats should be ashamed that they put a structure in place where one person has so much authority as to how these primaries will go.

eff this bitch, she's the absolute worst. She's going to lose her primary for her seat and I'm happy as hell. What an out of touch assbag.

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/01/dnc_chair_debbie_wasserman_schultz_joins_hands_with_gop_in_assault_on_elizabeth_warrens_consumer_protection_agency/

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/03/dnc-chair-lends-a-hand-to-payday-lenders.html
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: sys on March 01, 2016, 10:27:51 PM
dead man walking.


didn't read the articles on dws, but i'm sure i agree on at least one point.  she's (dws) horrible.
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on March 05, 2016, 07:32:32 PM
Kansas feels the Bern!  :emawkid:
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: wetwillie on March 05, 2016, 07:47:49 PM
Nebraska should follow suit
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: MakeItRain on March 05, 2016, 08:03:28 PM
This Nebraska press conference is painful, shut the eff up and give us the data.
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: MakeItRain on March 05, 2016, 08:05:11 PM
blah blah blah blah, STFU guy. Is he going to do this again when it goes to 100%?
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 05, 2016, 08:06:28 PM
RCP says Bernie wins KS with zero percent reporting. How's that work?
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: wetwillie on March 05, 2016, 08:07:59 PM
RCP says Bernie wins KS with zero percent reporting. How's that work?


Eye test
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: MakeItRain on March 05, 2016, 08:09:24 PM
RCP says Bernie wins KS with zero percent reporting. How's that work?

Exit polls, the same way he won Vermont and NH without 0 percent reporting. FWIW the reporting number definitely isn't 0 anymore.
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 05, 2016, 08:32:38 PM
Tonight's dem debate -- The Bern claims ISIS is a product of climate change - BOOM, he's now my guy.

The democrat party is so mumped
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 05, 2016, 08:41:00 PM
I so want Bernie to win the nomination, but it's just too good to be true. For some reason, racial minorities really aren't feelin' the bern.
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 06, 2016, 08:47:20 AM
I so want Bernie to win the nomination, but it's just too good to be true. For some reason, racial minorities really aren't feelin' the bern.

Neither are white people with a brain. The dude is a lunatic
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 07, 2016, 09:24:21 AM

I so want Bernie to win the nomination, but it's just too good to be true. For some reason, racial minorities really aren't feelin' the bern.

Neither are white people with a brain. The dude is a lunatic
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on May 11, 2016, 08:13:47 PM
The Bern on MSNBC, talking to Maddow, claiming they need a progressive equivalent to Fox News. Did I mention he's on MSNBC?  :lol:

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/sanders-calls-for-a-democratic-fox-news-681133123695 (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/sanders-calls-for-a-democratic-fox-news-681133123695)
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: renocat on May 11, 2016, 09:02:25 PM
The Bern on MSNBC, talking to Maddow, claiming they need a progressive equivalent to Fox News. Did I mention he's on MSNBC?  :lol:

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/sanders-calls-for-a-democratic-fox-news-681133123695 (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/sanders-calls-for-a-democratic-fox-news-681133123695)
Xinhua Chinese News Network?
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: MakeItRain on May 11, 2016, 11:53:59 PM
The Bern on MSNBC, talking to Maddow, claiming they need a progressive equivalent to Fox News. Did I mention he's on MSNBC?  :lol:

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/sanders-calls-for-a-democratic-fox-news-681133123695 (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/sanders-calls-for-a-democratic-fox-news-681133123695)

Other than Maddow, MSNBC is a garbagey waste land
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: Katpappy on May 29, 2016, 10:42:44 PM
BERN's GONNA WIN!!!
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: wetwillie on June 06, 2016, 05:23:32 PM
I think Bernie shocks the world tomorrow and wins big Cali.  If the pubs couldn't give us convention drama maybe the dems can.
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 06, 2016, 08:59:49 PM
Maybe they'll each sick their respective  astroturf goons on the other and we'll get a watts style riot out of this contrived primary
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on June 07, 2016, 05:44:42 PM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.infowars.com%2Fpoliticalsidebarimage%2Fmakebernie_large.jpg&hash=c25c91a8bb0af0e6f7364a04a1027c86944bb12d)
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: bucket on September 11, 2016, 08:40:17 PM
https://twitter.com/DavidShuster/status/775093724363784192
Title: Re: I finally feel the Bern - Dems on parade
Post by: CNS on September 11, 2016, 08:56:11 PM
Holy crap!

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