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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: Dr Rick Daris on March 25, 2018, 09:08:25 AM
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How good are we? I legit don't know. We were ok in conf this year but appeared to be pretty out gunned by the good teams. Then we went on the run and looked junkyard cats like and I was like wow I might have to adjust what I think because they are playing so hard and tough. Then we got blown out by an 11 seed and looked brucelike again. Stagnant offense, kind of lazy d.
Also..If everybody of importance comes back (really seems like dean wants to try and test the waters and hopefully get drafted) what is a reasonable expectation for next year? Fourth again but a higher seed because we know what we have and maybe schedule Non con harder? Or are we good enough that we make a a run for a conf champy?
Also...how excited are we all about X? Three headed monster next year with him, Barry and dean?
Also...why do I now feel more confident with him jacking up threes than Barry or kam and why has Barry stopped looking for those shots? As the tournament rolled on it started to seem obvious that bbj didn't want to shoot from 3. I think that hurt our offense and his ability to drive yesterday.
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doesn't have to be black and white.
overall i am satisfied with this season because we made it to the elite eight, regardless of circumstances.
however i am not satisfied that we looked like dogshit against the top 3 teams in our conference. i am not convinced that just because we return everybody we'll automatically be better next year. k-state has been known to crap all over preseason hype, so i am dubious.
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We will challenge KU for a share of the regular season title and fall just short. Get a 3/4 seed. Go to S16. OOD will be back and it will be the most fun any KSU basketball fan has had since 2010.
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We will challenge KU for a share of the regular season title and fall just short. Get a 3/4 seed. Go to S16. OOD will be back and it will be the most fun any KSU basketball fan has had since 2010.
Those are my expectations. Fell a little short on the regular season this year. Post season was fantastic. Would have loved a FF but I'll take the Elite 8.
Go Cats.
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We will challenge KU for a share of the regular season title and fall just short. Get a 3/4 seed. Go to S16. OOD will be back and it will be the most fun any KSU basketball fan has had since 2010.
Those are my expectations. Fell a little short on the regular season this year. Post season was fantastic. Would have loved a FF but I'll take the Elite 8.
Go Cats.
Good post. We got beat by a team that hit it's first 10 shots or so. It happens. We have everybody back. Beat teams like TCU who was considered a very good team and now losing a number of seniors. TT is losing a lot of production in Keenan Evans. Texas losing the big man. OSU losing Smith, and two good seniors in Carrol and Soloman. OU losing Young. Baylor losing a lot of senior production. WVU losing two starting guards.
All these teams will recruit replacements and be good next year. We will have two pre season All Big 12 players on our team and we should look forward to having a great year with guys like Diarra, McQuirl, Sneed and Mawien all improving and adding Williams and maybe a juco rebounder. Chance to do some good things next year is good but never guaranteed.
If you can not be excited about our basketball prospects for next year then you never will be.
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Top 3 Big 12 finish
No more than 2 games behind conference lead throughout February/early March
6 seed or better, Sweet 16 or better in the tourney
These are my expectations for our Cats next year
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i think a jump from a kp 14ish to a kp 18ish team is realistic (rating, not rank). i wouldn't expect the juniors to improve much, but the freshmen could see marked improvements in their games. with as many as there are, it's likely that at least one will be much better.
plus kp 13-18 just seems like it's kstate's normal range these days.
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this team really is a reflection of their coach and with exception of one player, has no self confidence or toughness. we will continue to melt in the spotlight against better teams because of it.
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this team really is a reflection of their coach and with exception of one player, has no self confidence or toughness. we will continue to melt in the spotlight against better teams because of it.
Yea none of that is true
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:lol: who jacked wetwillie’s log in?
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Team is full of swag and toughness bro, I know it’s weird given what we have been subjected to in recent memory.
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no they really aren’t but maybe you’re thinking of some other team that isn’t k state
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2018 - 2019
Strengths:
Guards, with Diarra and McGuirl we have a good rotation with Brown and Stokes. Incoming Williams from St. Louis should contribute.
Forwards. Sneed and Wade very good, but we need a good backup. I think Mawein could be a good sub.
Weaknesses:
Post players. Boy this is an area that needs big help. Hopefully we can find a replacement for Sallah and possibly Love.
Goodbye:
Patrick for sure.
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no they really aren’t but maybe you’re thinking of some other team that isn’t k state
BBJ and Sneed made first team all swag for the south regional, probably haven’t had a chance to review the data yet. Now did Dean Wolf’s toughness take a hit not playing more than 8 minutes in the last 6 games, maybe it did clams maybe it did.
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Now did Dean Wolf’s toughness take a hit not playing more than 8 minutes in the last 6 games, maybe it did clams maybe it did.
kso has a lot of people that seem to think it did. my goodness, those people.
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Now did Dean Wolf’s toughness take a hit not playing more than 8 minutes in the last 6 games, maybe it did clams maybe it did.
kso has a lot of people that seem to think it did. my goodness, those people.
eff those people
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Yes very shameful that ‘clams thinks this team lacks toughness because wade sat out.
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I still think they played soft quite a bit.
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I was never convinced Wade was much of a gamer. I think of him as a chill Jordy Nelson, just takes advantage of his talent (his hand eye coordination seems off the charts) and does a lot of stuff right. Brown and Sneed for sure have swag, and I think Diarra could make a pretty big jump next year.
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I still think they played soft quite a bit.
that's just the style of defense, i think. but we've seen over six years now, that weber can consistently produce a top 30/40ish defense without having it look very efforty.
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the oboarding style also contributes not the non-efforty look, but i think it's more fair to criticize that. it's a stylistic choice too, but being poor at oboarding is being bad at oboarding, there's not an alternate way to skin that cat.
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Diarra's braids ooze pure swag. Provided he doesn't make a 'do change in the off-season, with another year of growth under his band, I expect him to be up his swag game considerably next season.
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Yea he has swag potential along with McGuirl.
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12 Big 12 wins minimum.
3-4 seed minimum.
2nd weekend.
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12 Big 12 wins minimum.
:eek:
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I just want to see more of McGuirl. That dude... he has game. Obvz I don't know much about the inner workings of the team, but he plays hard and has hops and touch. So it's strange we didn't see more of him during conference play.
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12 Big 12 wins minimum.
:eek:
in the last six years, two teams with a kenpom rating below 20 had 12+ conference wins. most such teams were over 23.
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over 23 is a top 10-15 team nationally.
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I still think they played soft quite a bit.
that's just the style of defense, i think. but we've seen over six years now, that weber can consistently produce a top 30/40ish defense without having it look very efforty.
I actually think the defensive style looks like they're working pretty hard because they are helping and recovering so much. Much more "soft" on offense, really. And I don't expect them to ever out work the opposition for a loose ball or something. I could be wrong and don't describe it very well, so whatever.
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I expect to finish somewhere between 4th and 6th in the Big 12. Tournament seed in the 7-10 range.
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12 Big 12 wins minimum.
:eek:
in the last six years, two teams with a kenpom rating below 20 had 12+ conference wins. most such teams were over 23.
I think this should be a top 20 team. Maybe not quite as good as 2010, but in that range.
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I expect to finish somewhere between 4th and 6th in the Big 12. Tournament seed in the 7-10 range.
Can you enlighten us with the 2nd and 3rd best team?
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I expect to finish somewhere between 4th and 6th in the Big 12. Tournament seed in the 7-10 range.
Can you enlighten us with the 2nd and 3rd best team?
Not correctly.
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I think this should be a top 20 team. Maybe not quite as good as 2010, but in that range.
i don't see it. but i didn't see the 2010 team either, at the end of 2009. that's probably normal.
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I think this should be a top 20 team. Maybe not quite as good as 2010, but in that range.
i don't see it. but i didn't see the 2010 team either, at the end of 2009. that's probably normal.
Lots of folks saw that and more for the 2011 team
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Lots of folks saw that and more for the 2011 team
that's a good note of warning, but people were ignoring some personnel losses from 2010 to indulge their optimism. this teams doesn't lose anyone.
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of course this team is kp 42 and 2010 was kp 6, so.
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2011 was a pretty good team. kp32, 10-6, 5 seed, beat kp22 and lost to kp6consin in the tournament
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What kenpom was Butler in 2010 sys?
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What kenpom was Butler in 2010 sys?
12th (22.45). they were 38th (15.78) in 2009, so there's a team that made a jump from where kstate 2018 is to where people want kstate 2019 to be.
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12 Big 12 wins minimum.
3-4 seed minimum.
2nd weekend.
I agree with most of this. We'll lose our second round game, as a 3 seed, to an 11 seed from the A10 that played in the first four and sys and rusty will shift the agenda again.
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sys and rusty will shift the agenda again.
:rolleyes:
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i find it amazing, not to mention frustrating, that you fail to either understand or accept my rooting interest and/or repeated thoughts on kstate, weber and the big 12. it's obvious you read some of my posts, since you occasionally respond to them, so i really don't understand how you can so persistently misunderstand them.
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sys, they are kind of hard to understand sometimes.
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sys, they are kind of hard to understand sometimes.
i don't see how, i'm certainly not being cryptic. you people have like a mental block or something.
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i find it amazing, not to mention frustrating, that you fail to either understand or accept my rooting interest and/or repeated thoughts on kstate, weber and the big 12. it's obvious you read some of my posts, since you occasionally respond to them, so i really don't understand how you can so persistently misunderstand them.
Nah, I don't understand your issue a single bit. I get rusty's, I don't agree but I get it. You, no clue other than he's a proxy for your anger from what Currie did to Frank.
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I don't know sys's views on any of those things lol
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What kenpom was Butler in 2010 sys?
12th (22.45). they were 38th (15.78) in 2009, so there's a team that made a jump from where kstate 2018 is to where people want kstate 2019 to be.
2014 KSU was 45 (14.10)
2018 KSU was 41 (14.78)
losing sprads and shane hurt a bunch
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like, most of you have teams you don't like and you enjoy rooting against them, right. maybe ku or mu or ou. someone.
you don't hate their coach, you don't think he sucks. you don't hate their players, you don't think they suck. you aren't waiting for them to be slightly better so you can switch and suddenly start wanting them to win.
that's how i feel about kstate.
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like, most of you have teams you don't like and you enjoy rooting against them, right. maybe ku or mu or ou. someone.
you don't hate their coach, you don't think he sucks. you don't hate their players, you don't think they suck. you aren't waiting for them to be slightly better so you can switch and suddenly start wanting them to win.
that's how i feel about kstate.
But why? Because of John and Frank still?
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that was certainly the genesis, but these things take on a life of their own. maybe someday it'll change, maybe not.
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We will challenge KU for a share of the regular season title and fall just short. Get a 3/4 seed. Go to S16. OOD will be back and it will be the most fun any KSU basketball fan has had since 2010.
Yup. Well, not gonna bank on the S16. But the rest, yeah.
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Sys' position is the easiest to understand of anyone's on this board. He's explained it to you downgrades like a million rough ridin' times. He's easily the most consistent in his position toward K-State basketball during the oscar Weber era.
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I don't get it at all, but don't really care to either. I still think that Trim is the weirdest "fan" on this board tho. I think he just wants to watch the world burn.
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After some reflection, my gut feeling is that we could finish anywhere from 2nd to 8th.
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I think we're a top 3 Big 12 team. Pretty much every B12 team is losing a lot but I just assume KU will win it again anyways. 4-6 seed in the NCAA.
I think oscar struggles with getting consistent intensity out of his players. Sneed and Barry can bring that this year. I hope the combo of E8 team and some ugly post play may make us a destination for a grad-transfer that can help. I expect Dean to do the draft feedback thing but do not expect him to leave, particularly coming off an injury.
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I'd feel a little bit better about next year's team if we had a couple less players coming back and a 4 or 5 star big committed.
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I would love to see Sneed improve his game off the dribble. As great as his 3 point shooting was in Atlanta I would like him to find what ever switch it was Barry flipped and begin finishing on drives in the half court.