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Luke's stock is rising as Winters continues to validate his greatness. Add Luke and Winters to my list! Also, EMAWBLAST! and Tobias!
Quote from: Clevey No Mo on December 18, 2014, 04:42:39 PMQuote from: ksu_FAN on December 18, 2014, 12:28:03 PMQuote from: Chingon on December 18, 2014, 12:07:23 PMQuote from: ksu_FAN on December 18, 2014, 11:52:10 AMHating on oscar for what this team is doing now is warranted and deserved, but discounting a league title for your own school because you don't like the coach seems really dumb. That might be the saddest thing about all of this. The best two years in 'modern' KSU BBall are downplayed from either side. The ones who dislike Frank crap on the elite 8 run, and those who bemoan the hiring of oscar run down the league title. Yeah, its strange. I guess I'm one of the few that count the Elite 8 and the Big 12 title as the best 2 K-State basketball seasons I've experienced. To me K-State basketball has always been bigger than the coach whether I like him or not. I really liked Frank a lot and the brand he meant for K-State while he was here and it was a lot of fun, but he's never coming back. Granted, I'll pay more attention to what he does than some other SEC basketball coach, but I'm not going to care that much either way about his successes or failures.I don't think we should downplay either of those two years, we should just understand them for what they are. The E8 run was the best year of Kansas State basketball since 1988 even though we may have not won the conf. title. Weber's conf. title year was awesome, but it was Frank's talent, which is why it is tough to swallow as we now experience the decline of the Weber controlled program. We all know Frank is not coming back, but that is not the point. The point is that our AD mumped this up. Frank's ceiling at KSU was higher than oscar's is. I just don't see how that can be argued any other way, at least if you have a decent understanding of what is necessary to win in Manhattan. Some of you are just damn fools and I've accepted that - obviously, _fan and chingon not included in this category.Absolutely false, Frank and Underwood were a high floor staff. They could handle a lot of roster turnover really well. Underwood is a big part of the equation.
Quote from: ksu_FAN on December 18, 2014, 12:28:03 PMQuote from: Chingon on December 18, 2014, 12:07:23 PMQuote from: ksu_FAN on December 18, 2014, 11:52:10 AMHating on oscar for what this team is doing now is warranted and deserved, but discounting a league title for your own school because you don't like the coach seems really dumb. That might be the saddest thing about all of this. The best two years in 'modern' KSU BBall are downplayed from either side. The ones who dislike Frank crap on the elite 8 run, and those who bemoan the hiring of oscar run down the league title. Yeah, its strange. I guess I'm one of the few that count the Elite 8 and the Big 12 title as the best 2 K-State basketball seasons I've experienced. To me K-State basketball has always been bigger than the coach whether I like him or not. I really liked Frank a lot and the brand he meant for K-State while he was here and it was a lot of fun, but he's never coming back. Granted, I'll pay more attention to what he does than some other SEC basketball coach, but I'm not going to care that much either way about his successes or failures.I don't think we should downplay either of those two years, we should just understand them for what they are. The E8 run was the best year of Kansas State basketball since 1988 even though we may have not won the conf. title. Weber's conf. title year was awesome, but it was Frank's talent, which is why it is tough to swallow as we now experience the decline of the Weber controlled program. We all know Frank is not coming back, but that is not the point. The point is that our AD mumped this up. Frank's ceiling at KSU was higher than oscar's is. I just don't see how that can be argued any other way, at least if you have a decent understanding of what is necessary to win in Manhattan. Some of you are just damn fools and I've accepted that - obviously, _fan and chingon not included in this category.
Quote from: Chingon on December 18, 2014, 12:07:23 PMQuote from: ksu_FAN on December 18, 2014, 11:52:10 AMHating on oscar for what this team is doing now is warranted and deserved, but discounting a league title for your own school because you don't like the coach seems really dumb. That might be the saddest thing about all of this. The best two years in 'modern' KSU BBall are downplayed from either side. The ones who dislike Frank crap on the elite 8 run, and those who bemoan the hiring of oscar run down the league title. Yeah, its strange. I guess I'm one of the few that count the Elite 8 and the Big 12 title as the best 2 K-State basketball seasons I've experienced. To me K-State basketball has always been bigger than the coach whether I like him or not. I really liked Frank a lot and the brand he meant for K-State while he was here and it was a lot of fun, but he's never coming back. Granted, I'll pay more attention to what he does than some other SEC basketball coach, but I'm not going to care that much either way about his successes or failures.
Quote from: ksu_FAN on December 18, 2014, 11:52:10 AMHating on oscar for what this team is doing now is warranted and deserved, but discounting a league title for your own school because you don't like the coach seems really dumb. That might be the saddest thing about all of this. The best two years in 'modern' KSU BBall are downplayed from either side. The ones who dislike Frank crap on the elite 8 run, and those who bemoan the hiring of oscar run down the league title.
Hating on oscar for what this team is doing now is warranted and deserved, but discounting a league title for your own school because you don't like the coach seems really dumb.
Also, I think I can hate that oscar was hired but still acknowledge that he did a great job his first year and signing Foster
Frank would have kept the ship a float, but he was starting to have a few leaks, and was going to spend a lot of time trying to patch it up and push the water overboard. His recruiting was so, so. Angel was great tho.
Believe Franks class and oscar's class are very similar next year. People will eventually figure out how talent The Flush is. Both PF prospects are in the same realm of talent. One thing about oscar's brand of basketball is that it tends to be boring. At the end of the day I want underwood in 5 years. He will bring back the excitement. I think he could be the best of the three.
Worst case we lose Will, keep angel and frank. Would take.
Quote from: CNS on December 18, 2014, 07:05:26 PMWorst case we lose Will, keep angel and frank. Would take.We would of lost Angel a year earlier. Shane and Nino would of been franked. Will would of transferred.
oscar webber would of one the title with angle last year, fact
Guys, what if Frank realizes how much we loved him and that he made a huge mistake and wants to come back to us?
Quote from: WackyCat08 on December 18, 2014, 05:05:44 PMFrank would have kept the ship a float, but he was starting to have a few leaks, and was going to spend a lot of time trying to patch it up and push the water overboard. His recruiting was so, so. Angel was great tho.What were the leaks? His recruiting was improving.