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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: kso_FAN on November 26, 2016, 10:42:25 PM
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Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
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kstate was the better team, though. kenpom got this one right.
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Such a wooly type game
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It really was.
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Why isn't Wade worth a crap this year?
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Why isn't Wade worth a crap this year?
He doesn't know how to takeover a game
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That game was a blast and I think our team might actually be good. Dean needs to pull his head out of his ass. Maurice and Sneed should be good off the bench.
We need a guard who can recklessly drive into unsuspecting defenders and make 80%+ fts to fit into new college bball where the trash refs are trash and make trash calls to make certain players dont decide the game. CBB is what CFB would be if close games were decided by a field goal kickoff. rough ridin' lame
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I only listened to it. Stokes making a dumb inbounds pass and Wes not hitting front end of clutch 1-and-1.....I'm not putting this loss or poor last 30 sec on oscar
FT shooting been bad all year. Wes played great but had s chance to be a clutch SR in the biggest of big moments
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At some point "I can't put these _____ plays/shots by the players on oscar" at the end of close games loses its luster for me.
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2 minute warning, 1 possession game. Let's have the kickers (not actual football players) lineup at the 35 and see which team deserves to win this game! -CBB 2016
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At some point "I can't put these _____ plays/shots by the players on oscar" at the end of close games loses its luster for me.
weber can be blamed for anything one chooses.
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Oh man, the game is tied and we're heading for extras. Let's decide this game with a good old fashioned pitcher-fielding-practice bunt drill. Best bunters win! -CBB2016
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Nothing will ever change.
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The reffing was horrible.
Dean wants to be a guard, obv not a post player.
Change that, dean wants to be the invisible man
oscar does nothing to get him in involved
DJamer was awesome
So was Wes until the choke job
Stokes came alive
We lost a close game again. Sounds like a losery mentality. Where does that come from?
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I'll agree you can't blame oscar for missed free throws and botched in-bounds plays, but can you blame him for it being that close to begin with?
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That was incredibly frustrating. Did anyone not notice Stokes munsoned that inbounds pass because he was trying to throw the ball off the ass of a defender?
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So I missed the first half because the first half stream sucked. Was X bad in the first half or did he get 3 minutes like in the second half while Wade avoided anything and everything physical?
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How many minutes did Sneed have?
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I'll agree you can't blame oscar for missed free throws and botched in-bounds plays, but can you blame him for it being that close to begin with?
Botched in-bounds plays are drawn up by coaches, which they run in practice, run by coaches. This is all coaching, especially in year 4.
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DJamer was such a beast in this game. Westicles played really well. Stokes and Brown were solid, but not enough. What a frustrating loss.
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I'll agree you can't blame oscar for missed free throws and botched in-bounds plays, but can you blame him for it being that close to begin with?
Botched in-bounds plays are drawn up by coaches, which they run in practice, run by coaches. This is all coaching, especially in year 4.
JFC, do you really think the coaches asked that dude to try to throw that ball off of someone's ass?
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I'll agree you can't blame oscar for missed free throws and botched in-bounds plays, but can you blame him for it being that close to begin with?
Botched in-bounds plays are drawn up by coaches, which they run in practice, run by coaches. This is all coaching, especially in year 4.
JFC, do you really think the coaches asked that dude to try to throw that ball off of someone's ass?
Picking one play to advance your agenda isn't a solution. I'm taking everything into consideration when making observations, maybe you should do the same.
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Maryland was very good out of timeouts. We were really good in he 2nd half. Game should not have been that close to start. Can't come out that flat offensively in the first half.
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I'll agree you can't blame oscar for missed free throws and botched in-bounds plays, but can you blame him for it being that close to begin with?
Botched in-bounds plays are drawn up by coaches, which they run in practice, run by coaches. This is all coaching, especially in year 4.
JFC, do you really think the coaches asked that dude to try to throw that ball off of someone's ass?
Picking one play to advance your agenda isn't a solution. I'm taking everything into consideration when making observations, maybe you should do the same.
Oh! Did I miss another botched inbounds play that you could be referring to?
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do you really think the coaches asked that dude to try to throw that ball off of someone's ass?
were they out of timeouts?
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I'll agree you can't blame oscar for missed free throws and botched in-bounds plays, but can you blame him for it being that close to begin with?
Botched in-bounds plays are drawn up by coaches, which they run in practice, run by coaches. This is all coaching, especially in year 4.
JFC, do you really think the coaches asked that dude to try to throw that ball off of someone's ass?
Picking one play to advance your agenda isn't a solution. I'm taking everything into consideration when making observations, maybe you should do the same.
Oh! Did I miss another botched inbounds play that you could be referring to?
Since you are considering this one game as the blueprint, yes, you are missing 4 years worth of plays. Not surprising you can't see past this rant you have conjured.
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Missed the first half, why didn't Sneed play I the second
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Missed the first half, why didn't Sneed play I the second
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I think mainly because he was pretty terrible tonight.
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do you really think the coaches asked that dude to try to throw that ball off of someone's ass?
were they out of timeouts?
At that point, no. We had one left.
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I'll agree you can't blame oscar for missed free throws and botched in-bounds plays, but can you blame him for it being that close to begin with?
Botched in-bounds plays are drawn up by coaches, which they run in practice, run by coaches. This is all coaching, especially in year 4.
JFC, do you really think the coaches asked that dude to try to throw that ball off of someone's ass?
Picking one play to advance your agenda isn't a solution. I'm taking everything into consideration when making observations, maybe you should do the same.
Oh! Did I miss another botched inbounds play that you could be referring to?
Since you are considering this one game as the blueprint, yes, you are missing 4 years worth of plays. Not surprising you can't see past this rant you have conjured.
You want to keep acting like the talk about in-bounds play tonight isn't about the specific play that cost us a chance to put the game away, then you go ahead. Also asking you two questions about your post constitutes a rant? Interesting.
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so. i could still blame weber for that, but since i don't like stokes either, i'm happy to blame them both.
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The temp is being a weirdo tonight. MiR is not a oscar defender in any general sense. He disagrees with you about a play at the end of tonight's game. Stop being a dweeb.
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tbt gonna tbt
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I'll agree you can't blame oscar for missed free throws and botched in-bounds plays, but can you blame him for it being that close to begin with?
Botched in-bounds plays are drawn up by coaches, which they run in practice, run by coaches. This is all coaching, especially in year 4.
JFC, do you really think the coaches asked that dude to try to throw that ball off of someone's ass?
Picking one play to advance your agenda isn't a solution. I'm taking everything into consideration when making observations, maybe you should do the same.
Oh! Did I miss another botched inbounds play that you could be referring to?
Since you are considering this one game as the blueprint, yes, you are missing 4 years worth of plays. Not surprising you can't see past this rant you have conjured.
You want to keep acting like the talk about in-bounds play tonight isn't about the specific play that cost us a chance to put the game away, then you go ahead. Also asking you two questions about your post constitutes a rant? Interesting.
I haven't been referring to that play at all, yet you keep referencing it like it will help your cause to save oscar. Yet again your fixation on something blinds from what is truly going on.
Asking two irrelevant questions about the exact same thing. I don't understand your fixation on this subject when it is completely irrelevant.
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I'll agree you can't blame oscar for missed free throws and botched in-bounds plays, but can you blame him for it being that close to begin with?
Botched in-bounds plays are drawn up by coaches, which they run in practice, run by coaches. This is all coaching, especially in year 4.
JFC, do you really think the coaches asked that dude to try to throw that ball off of someone's ass?
Picking one play to advance your agenda isn't a solution. I'm taking everything into consideration when making observations, maybe you should do the same.
Oh! Did I miss another botched inbounds play that you could be referring to?
Since you are considering this one game as the blueprint, yes, you are missing 4 years worth of plays. Not surprising you can't see past this rant you have conjured.
You want to keep acting like the talk about in-bounds play tonight isn't about the specific play that cost us a chance to put the game away, then you go ahead. Also asking you two questions about your post constitutes a rant? Interesting.
I haven't been referring to that play at all, yet you keep referencing it like it will help your cause to save oscar. Yet again your fixation on something blinds from what is truly going on.
Asking two irrelevant questions about the exact same thing. I don't understand your fixation on this subject when it is completely irrelevant.
In-bounds plays are a weird thing to randomly be pissed about, good to know nothing happened tonight to trigger you ranting about four years of in-bounds plays. Is this a dax sock?
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The temp is being a weirdo tonight. MiR is not a oscar defender in any general sense. He disagrees with you about a play at the end of tonight's game. Stop being a dweeb.
Yeah, you're right. I am a temp, how could I be right over a distinguished alumni. Would definitely be a travesty. I'll relegate myself back to clerical. Go Cats.
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i kinda knew we were going to make some stupid play (inbound screw up, get caught in a press, etc) and give up the lead. why? because i've watched this team which is coached by oscar. up by 3 with under a minute to go i would have been more surprised to have won than to have lost.
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Same insight, different response
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Same insight, different response
Well yeah, 'clams response reads as more introspective and measured, not reactionary. If everyone misinterpreted your post, it's a you problem not an us problem.
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Same insight, different response
Well yeah, 'clams response reads as more introspective and measured, not reactionary. If everyone misinterpreted your post, it's a you problem not an us problem.
Hey! We have the same problem!
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Same insight, different response
Well yeah, 'clams response reads as more introspective and measured, not reactionary. If everyone misinterpreted your post, it's a you problem not an us problem.
Hey! We have the same problem!
I've never complained about that, I'm not sensitive which incidentally is a weird trait for a sock.
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Deathbite and Dogbite both have been erratic all year. This tournament the three was hard to come by. We lost because not everyone played with grit and nastiness. DJamer, Westicles, and Flush did. If the coach can't instill this, these players will have to be the catalyst. The good news is we barely lost even after playing like crap in a back to back game.
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tbt gonna tbt
I was hoping he would be able to successfully quit this time for his own sake.
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i kinda knew we were going to make some stupid play (inbound screw up, get caught in a press, etc) and give up the lead. why? because i've watched this team which is coached by oscar. up by 3 with under a minute to go i would have been more surprised to have won than to have lost.
Precisely. We need 6+ lead with a minute left
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do you really think the coaches asked that dude to try to throw that ball off of someone's ass?
were they out of timeouts?
We had to waste two of our 3 second half timeouts when our guards got stuck for no explainable reason and had to burn them to avoid 5 counts.
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do you really think the coaches asked that dude to try to throw that ball off of someone's ass?
were they out of timeouts?
We had to waste two of our 3 second half timeouts when our guards got stuck for no explainable reason and had to burn them to avoid 5 counts.
Can't take them with you
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Close games are definition decided by one or two good/bad plays. Once you start losing more than your fair share of these games it's time to start looking beyond the "player x made a bad play" blame game.
Lots of crappy coaches make a living out of losing a lot of games by not very much and putting a positive spin on it. See: Paul Rhodes, Wooly, Doc Sadler, etc.
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It should be pointed out that Oscar got DJamer 10 layups in a game against a fairly big front line. :driving:
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It should be pointed out that Oscar got DJamer 10 layups in a game against a fairly big front line. :driving:
unless you can prove that brad korn didn't draw up those plays, i have no reason to believe otherwise
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"I just roll the ball out on the floor and let D.J. Take over" says every coach that ever had such a talent play for him
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I don't think enough attention is being made to the timeout we had and Weber stood there with a blank stare and finally Lowry grabbed the whiteboard and said eff it and took over the huddle. They then went to marylands huddle and turgeon was scribbling away. :ROFL:
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Holy crap.
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that's great scoop, PIPE
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My wife and I were watching this and she said "He really doesn't even know what he's doing does he", "why is he the head coach"? I lol'ed and said idk, have to ask Currie. This scene is all u need to know about this abortion of a coach.
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My wife and I were watching this and she said "He really doesn't even know what he's doing does he", "why is he the head coach"? I lol'ed and said idk, have to ask Currie. This scene is all u need to know about this abortion of a coach.
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Saw that too. Pathetic!
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My wife and I were watching this and she said "He really doesn't even know what he's doing does he", "why is he the head coach"? I lol'ed and said idk, have to ask Currie. This scene is all u need to know about this abortion of a coach.
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Saw that too. Pathetic!
:facepalm: What time in the game?
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the end of the game
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Meh, I'm more annoyed by how timid his players look for forty minutes than how he managed his timeouts.
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fun kenpom fact: 8 of 10 big 12 teams have better kenpom ratings than maryland.
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oscar should have zoned that last play but he's a rough ridin' idiot so whatever
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fun kenpom fact: 8 of 10 big 12 teams have better kenpom ratings than maryland.
That's because they're not good. A fact that will be highlighted when we get our teeth kicked in during Big XII play.
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fun kenpom fact: 8 of 10 big 12 teams have better kenpom ratings than maryland.
That's because they're not good. A fact that will be highlighted when we get our teeth kicked in during Big XII play.
This makes me look stupid for defending Maryland. I'll still say they will make the tournament though, players like Melo Trimble who also have a good coach rarely miss. Maryland starting slow is not at all unusual.
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maryland is currently kenpom 55th, which isn't normally a tourney team, but is certainly within striking distance. add in that everyone they have but trimble is a freshman and they're a decent bet to improve and get in.
it's more that the big 12 is really good (really deep) again this year. no bad teams.
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it's weird that jaime (pronounced: hi-me) dixon coaches at tcu
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maryland is currently kenpom 55th, which isn't normally a tourney team, but is certainly within striking distance. add in that everyone they have but trimble is a freshman and they're a decent bet to improve and get in.
it's more that the big 12 is really good (really deep) again this year. no bad teams.
The Big 12 has gotten off to an amazing start and at this point the dye is casted, the Big 12 will once again, easily, be the best conference in America. Imagine what would have happened if this conference added Cincinnati and Houston in basketball :surprised:
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maryland is currently kenpom 55th, which isn't normally a tourney team, but is certainly within striking distance. add in that everyone they have but trimble is a freshman and they're a decent bet to improve and get in.
it's more that the big 12 is really good (really deep) again this year. no bad teams.
The Big 12 has gotten off to an amazing start and at this point the dye is casted, the Big 12 will once again, easily, be the best conference in America. Imagine what would have happened if this conference added Cincinnati and Houston in basketball :surprised:
The ACC top 10 appears to be better, it just has four more schools and two of them are crap. It is amazing that big 12 has avoided a completely shitty team.
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It is amazing that big 12 has avoided a completely shitty team.
People really are much too hard on oscar.
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id like to see this oscar blank stare timeout, if someone can find the stream or clip.
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id like to see this oscar blank stare timeout, if someone can find the stream or clip.
imagine in your mind's eye: any_picture_of_bruce_that_you've_ever_seen_and_then_put_him_in_the_middle_of_the_under_1_minute_game_on_the_line_timeout.gif
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It is amazing that big 12 has avoided a completely shitty team.
People really are much too hard on oscar.
schedule makers especially
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I don't think enough attention is being made to the timeout we had and Weber stood there with a blank stare and finally Lowry grabbed the whiteboard and said eff it and took over the huddle. They then went to marylands huddle and turgeon was scribbling away. :ROFL:
This.
And Dean's a pussy.
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I don't want to displace too much of my disappointment in oscar for this one, but my goodness, our SR guard was at the line with a chance to build the lead back up to 3 and clanked it. I know intangibles and toughness, etc, but Wes had played well. To have that happen is pretty tough.
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People used to bitch incessantly about franks players poor free throw shooting and someone used to talk about ftr being the true measuring stick. I can't remember who it was though.
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People used to bitch incessantly about franks players poor free throw shooting and someone used to talk about ftr being the true measuring stick. I can't remember who it was though.
True, I usually don't care about percentage that much, but hitting one or two in that situation is a pretty big deal. Also, FT rate is one thing oscar's teams have done well the last couple of seasons.
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they lost a tough game that i didn't expect them to win. a semi-road game if one exists (crowd was kinda loud for maryland) if anything, they showed me that they're better than i thought they were. better coaching would have won that game but i didn't expect better coaching so as far as i'm concerned, they're trending up on the clamsometer
and eff oscar, he's a dumbass
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Good point. Most of the 2nd half was actually pretty fun basketball to watch. Several guys making plays. They may just lock oscar into a lifetime contract.
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People used to bitch incessantly about franks players poor free throw shooting and someone used to talk about ftr being the true measuring stick. I can't remember who it was though.
pdave on scout actually attributed the poor free throw shooting under Frank to the "thug basketball" Frank and Huggins play
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Good point. Most of the 2nd half was actually pretty fun basketball to watch. Several guys making plays. They may just lock oscar into a lifetime contract.
it was exciting, i'll give them that. knowing we were going to lose wasn't fun though. unfortunately, i have as much confidence in this team as they have in themselves.
confidence hits those free throws that wes missed
confidence inbounds that ball correctly
players without confidence tighten up in crunch time and their head worms take over and they make dumb mistakes. now, it's important to note that k-state players have suffered this for years with the exception of frank and huggs who toughened their teams up so much that they couldn't be mumped with physically or mentally.
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People used to bitch incessantly about franks players poor free throw shooting and someone used to talk about ftr being the true measuring stick. I can't remember who it was though.
Yeah no one ever excused missing a late game free throw with FTr
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i was very confident that kstate was going to win. i think it's just a fan thing that you always dread the result you don't desire.
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i was very confident that kstate was going to win. i think it's just a fan thing that you always dread the result you don't desire.
that may be generally true. but as it relates to this team i don't think it's the case, for me anyway
some teams find ways to lose games, it's their identity. when they do win, they do so in spite of themselves. i look at at lot of k-state basketball teams in this light because for the longest time we have had inferior talent and those teams knew they weren't as good as their opponents
i mean, the 2015 royals could be down 2 dozen and there was no doubt in my mind we were going to win. think about the anthony beane led cardiac cats, always won the close games
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Losing to Maryland can be good if it motivates players to get better. If they had won, and likely win the rest of the nonconference games, they likely would have been brought to earth rather cruelly. Is there any comparison to a few years ago when they had a tough early season loss and.had 10' straight wins. Foster's first year?
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If we go to StL and win, I'll refrain from entering the "we suck" crowd, but if we lose I'm all in.
Just don't see how this team is any better than 6th in the conference. Disappointing.