Big XII tourney in December...

[Dan Rydell]

No Tournament.  6 more conference games for full round-robin.  No "unbalanced schedule."  Eliminate 2-3 OOC games that our conference apparently sucks at scheduling anyways.  Conference winner gets auto-bid.

Yes.

[DrunkoMcGee]

No Tournament.  6 more conference games for full round-robin.  No "unbalanced schedule."  Eliminate 2-3 OOC games that our conference apparently sucks at scheduling anyways.  Conference winner gets auto-bid.

That is 3 more weeks of conference play.  Plus, you would lose 6 noncon games as the conference tournament games are considered exempt and the 6 extra conference games wouldn't be.  There is no way that you will get a 22 game conference schedule.  The Pac 10 coaches actually don't like it and they only play 20 games.  Also, there is too much money to be made on the postseason tournament. 

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

Dumb.

[catzacker]

No Tournament.  6 more conference games for full round-robin.  No "unbalanced schedule."  Eliminate 2-3 OOC games that our conference apparently sucks at scheduling anyways.  Conference winner gets auto-bid.

That is 3 more weeks of conference play.  Plus, you would lose 6 noncon games as the conference tournament games are considered exempt and the 6 extra conference games wouldn't be.  There is no way that you will get a 22 game conference schedule.  The Pac 10 coaches actually don't like it and they only play 20 games.  Also, there is too much money to be made on the postseason tournament. 

You're scared to have to play the South teams on the road, aren't you? 

[michigancat]

No Tournament.  6 more conference games for full round-robin.  No "unbalanced schedule."  Eliminate 2-3 OOC games that our conference apparently sucks at scheduling anyways.  Conference winner gets auto-bid.

That is 3 more weeks of conference play.  Plus, you would lose 6 noncon games as the conference tournament games are considered exempt and the 6 extra conference games wouldn't be.  There is no way that you will get a 22 game conference schedule.  The Pac 10 coaches actually don't like it and they only play 20 games.  Also, there is too much money to be made on the postseason tournament. 

I'm cool with all of that.  Personally, I'd trade 6 crappy OOC games for a chance to see Kevin Durant live, see Bobby Knight every year, and get an extra freebie win against Baylor.


Also, Pac 10 coaches only complained when they started the postseason tournament.

[Kat Kid]

Rusty you going to respond to my post?

I don't understand what you're talking about.

You said that conference tourney = scheduled conference games "down the stretch."

The schedule for Tech in their last four regular season games was pathetically easy and featured ONE road game @ ISU.  Texas had a bear of a schedule and I'd put us and ku somewhere in between.

My point is tournaments have seeds and thus the schedule is virtually guaranteed to get tough "down the stretch" because the good teams advance.  The schedule of each individual team isn't designed to get tougher down the stretch and there is no way it could satisfy every team's needs.

Thus conference tourney at end of the year less arbitrary and thus better representation of a team "turning it on down the stretch" than randomly assigned conference games that happen to fall at the end of the schedule.  Tech benefitted from a weak final four games, it was arbitrary I don't know why you want to move the tourney up to December and let the "last 10 games" thing and "last 5" and "turning it on at the end" (which seem to me to be a bigger deal than whatever slight benefit is gained from moving up the conference tourney and auto-bid etc.) and so radically change everything else.

[DrunkoMcGee]

No Tournament.  6 more conference games for full round-robin.  No "unbalanced schedule."  Eliminate 2-3 OOC games that our conference apparently sucks at scheduling anyways.  Conference winner gets auto-bid.

That is 3 more weeks of conference play.  Plus, you would lose 6 noncon games as the conference tournament games are considered exempt and the 6 extra conference games wouldn't be.  There is no way that you will get a 22 game conference schedule.  The Pac 10 coaches actually don't like it and they only play 20 games.  Also, there is too much money to be made on the postseason tournament. 

You're scared to have to play the South teams on the road, aren't you? 

Yeah, terrified.  ku hasn't had any success against the South since the formation of the league. 

[michigancat]

You said that conference tourney = scheduled conference games "down the stretch."

The schedule for Tech in their last four regular season games was pathetically easy and featured ONE road game @ ISU.  Texas had a bear of a schedule and I'd put us and ku somewhere in between.

My point is tournaments have seeds and thus the schedule is virtually guaranteed to get tough "down the stretch" because the good teams advance.  The schedule of each individual team isn't designed to get tougher down the stretch and there is no way it could satisfy every team's needs.

Thus conference tourney at end of the year less arbitrary and thus better representation of a team "turning it on down the stretch" than randomly assigned conference games that happen to fall at the end of the schedule.  Tech benefitted from a weak final four games, it was arbitrary I don't know why you want to move the tourney up to December and let the "last 10 games" thing and "last 5" and "turning it on at the end" (which seem to me to be a bigger deal than whatever slight benefit is gained from moving up the conference tourney and auto-bid etc.) and so radically change everything else.

I think it should be the body of work no matter what, myself.

[Trim]

No Tournament.  6 more conference games for full round-robin.  No "unbalanced schedule."  Eliminate 2-3 OOC games that our conference apparently sucks at scheduling anyways.  Conference winner gets auto-bid.

That is 3 more weeks of conference play.  Plus, you would lose 6 noncon games as the conference tournament games are considered exempt and the 6 extra conference games wouldn't be.  There is no way that you will get a 22 game conference schedule.  The Pac 10 coaches actually don't like it and they only play 20 games.  Also, there is too much money to be made on the postseason tournament. 

I'm cool with all of that.  Personally, I'd trade 6 crappy OOC games for a chance to see Kevin Durant live, see Bobby Knight every year, and get an extra freebie win against Baylor.


Also, Pac 10 coaches only complained when they started the postseason tournament.

Yes.  My idea is still good even at the expense of 6 crapty OOC games.

But Rusty's argument is flawed in that I wouldn't give him my tickets to see Kevin Durant live or to see Bobby Knight each year.

[catzacker]

No Tournament.  6 more conference games for full round-robin.  No "unbalanced schedule."  Eliminate 2-3 OOC games that our conference apparently sucks at scheduling anyways.  Conference winner gets auto-bid.

That is 3 more weeks of conference play.  Plus, you would lose 6 noncon games as the conference tournament games are considered exempt and the 6 extra conference games wouldn't be.  There is no way that you will get a 22 game conference schedule.  The Pac 10 coaches actually don't like it and they only play 20 games.  Also, there is too much money to be made on the postseason tournament. 

You're scared to have to play the South teams on the road, aren't you? 

Yeah, terrified.  ku hasn't had any success against the South on the road since the formation of the league. 

There fixed it.  What's the best road win in the South in the past 5 years?  A&M last year?  They were this year's K-State team last year.  OSU sucked last year.  You've gotten drilled against UT and OSU the last few times and lost to OU as well.  

[michigancat]

Yes.  My idea is still good even at the expense of 6 @#%$ty OOC games.

But Rusty's argument is flawed in that I wouldn't give him my tickets to see Kevin Durant live or to see Bobby Knight each year.

I would almost consider PAYING to see them.

[Trim]

Yes.  My idea is still good even at the expense of 6 @#%$ty OOC games.

But Rusty's argument is flawed in that I wouldn't give him my tickets to see Kevin Durant live or to see Bobby Knight each year.

I would almost consider PAYING to see them.

HOLY crap.  That definitely means this idea has legs.   

[ksu_FAN]

What do you think of the SEC bracket?  They keep their divisions seperate and seed each 1 through 6 and play it that way.

2007 SEC Tournament
Thursday, March 8 (First Round Matchups)
Game 1  [W5] Alabama vs. [E4] Kentucky  1 p.m. ET (LF)
Game 2  [E6] South Carolina vs. [W3] Arkansas  3:15 ET (LF)
Game 3  [E5] Georgia vs. [W4] Auburn  7:30 ET (LF) 
Game 4  [W6] LSU vs. [E3] Tennessee  9:45 ET (LF) 
Friday, March 9 (Second Round Matchups)
Game 5  [W1] Mississippi State vs. UA/uk winner 1 p.m. ET (LF)
Game 6  [E2] Vanderbilt vs. SC/AR winner  3:15 p.m. ET (LF)
Game 7  [E1] Florida vs. UG/AU winner  7:30 p.m. ET (LF)
Game 8  [W2] Ole Miss vs. LSU/UT winner  9:45 p.m. ET (LF)
Saturday, March 10 (Semifinals)
Game 9 Game 5 winner vs. Game 6 winner  1 p.m. ET (LF)
Game 10 Game 7 winner vs. Game 8 winner  3:15 p.m. ET (LF)
Sunday, March 11 (Finals)
Game 11 Championship Game 1 p.m. FT (CBS) 

The ACC does it the same was as we do.  Interesting to see a different way for the SEC by keeping their divisions seperate.

[Dan Rydell]

What do you think of the SEC bracket?  They keep their divisions seperate and seed each 1 through 6 and play it that way.

2007 SEC Tournament
Thursday, March 8 (First Round Matchups)
Game 1  [W5] Alabama vs. [E4] Kentucky  1 p.m. ET (LF)
Game 2  [E6] South Carolina vs. [W3] Arkansas  3:15 ET (LF)
Game 3  [E5] Georgia vs. [W4] Auburn  7:30 ET (LF) 
Game 4  [W6] LSU vs. [E3] Tennessee  9:45 ET (LF) 
Friday, March 9 (Second Round Matchups)
Game 5  [W1] Mississippi State vs. UA/uk winner 1 p.m. ET (LF)
Game 6  [E2] Vanderbilt vs. SC/AR winner  3:15 p.m. ET (LF)
Game 7  [E1] Florida vs. UG/AU winner  7:30 p.m. ET (LF)
Game 8  [W2] Ole Miss vs. LSU/UT winner  9:45 p.m. ET (LF)
Saturday, March 10 (Semifinals)
Game 9 Game 5 winner vs. Game 6 winner  1 p.m. ET (LF)
Game 10 Game 7 winner vs. Game 8 winner  3:15 p.m. ET (LF)
Sunday, March 11 (Finals)
Game 11 Championship Game 1 p.m. FT (CBS) 

The ACC does it the same was as we do.  Interesting to see a different way for the SEC by keeping their divisions seperate.

Would have been the same result for us this year, except we would have played someone worse than Tech in our first game.

[DrunkoMcGee]

No Tournament.  6 more conference games for full round-robin.  No "unbalanced schedule."  Eliminate 2-3 OOC games that our conference apparently sucks at scheduling anyways.  Conference winner gets auto-bid.

That is 3 more weeks of conference play.  Plus, you would lose 6 noncon games as the conference tournament games are considered exempt and the 6 extra conference games wouldn't be.  There is no way that you will get a 22 game conference schedule.  The Pac 10 coaches actually don't like it and they only play 20 games.  Also, there is too much money to be made on the postseason tournament. 

You're scared to have to play the South teams on the road, aren't you? 

Yeah, terrified.  ku hasn't had any success against the South on the road since the formation of the league. 

There fixed it.  What's the best road win in the South in the past 5 years?  A&M last year?  They were this year's K-State team last year.  OSU sucked last year.  You've gotten drilled against UT and OSU the last few times and lost to OU as well.  

The fact that you can pretty much point out every ku road loss to the South in one sentence pretty much makes my point for me.  ku hasn't won 7 of 11 Big 12 titles by sucking on the road against the South.  Also, ku doesn't seem to have much trouble winning the Big 12 tourney on a neutral site as they have the best all time record in that thing as well.

I don't want to play 22 conference games because you basically would have a non existent nonconference schedule.  

[michigancat]

Would have been the same result for us this year, except we would have played someone worse than Tech in our first game.

We would have been on A&M's side of the bracket, too.

[catzacker]

No Tournament.  6 more conference games for full round-robin.  No "unbalanced schedule."  Eliminate 2-3 OOC games that our conference apparently sucks at scheduling anyways.  Conference winner gets auto-bid.

That is 3 more weeks of conference play.  Plus, you would lose 6 noncon games as the conference tournament games are considered exempt and the 6 extra conference games wouldn't be.  There is no way that you will get a 22 game conference schedule.  The Pac 10 coaches actually don't like it and they only play 20 games.  Also, there is too much money to be made on the postseason tournament. 

You're scared to have to play the South teams on the road, aren't you? 

Yeah, terrified.  ku hasn't had any success against the South on the road since the formation of the league. 

There fixed it.  What's the best road win in the South in the past 5 years?  A&M last year?  They were this year's K-State team last year.  OSU sucked last year.  You've gotten drilled against UT and OSU the last few times and lost to OU as well.  

The fact that you can pretty much point out every ku road loss to the South in one sentence pretty much makes my point for me.  ku hasn't won 7 of 11 5 Big 12 titles out right by sucking on the road against the South.  Also, ku doesn't seem to have much trouble winning the Big 12 tourney on a neutral site as they have the best all time record in that thing as well.

I don't want to play 22 conference games because you basically would have a non existent nonconference schedule.  

There, fixed it.  This year was the first year you actually won it out right since 02-03?  Yeah, an unbalanced schedule doesn't help.  And it's not like your OOC was all that tough.  You left home, what, twice?  Against Florida (W) and against DePaul (L)? 

[DrunkoMcGee]

No Tournament.  6 more conference games for full round-robin.  No "unbalanced schedule."  Eliminate 2-3 OOC games that our conference apparently sucks at scheduling anyways.  Conference winner gets auto-bid.

That is 3 more weeks of conference play.  Plus, you would lose 6 noncon games as the conference tournament games are considered exempt and the 6 extra conference games wouldn't be.  There is no way that you will get a 22 game conference schedule.  The Pac 10 coaches actually don't like it and they only play 20 games.  Also, there is too much money to be made on the postseason tournament. 

You're scared to have to play the South teams on the road, aren't you? 

Yeah, terrified.  ku hasn't had any success against the South on the road since the formation of the league. 

There fixed it.  What's the best road win in the South in the past 5 years?  A&M last year?  They were this year's K-State team last year.  OSU sucked last year.  You've gotten drilled against UT and OSU the last few times and lost to OU as well.  

The fact that you can pretty much point out every ku road loss to the South in one sentence pretty much makes my point for me.  ku hasn't won 7 of 11 5 Big 12 titles out right by sucking on the road against the South.  Also, ku doesn't seem to have much trouble winning the Big 12 tourney on a neutral site as they have the best all time record in that thing as well.

I don't want to play 22 conference games because you basically would have a non existent nonconference schedule.  

There, fixed it.  This year was the first year you actually won it out right since 02-03?  Yeah, an unbalanced schedule doesn't help.  And it's not like your OOC was all that tough.  You left home, what, twice?  Against Florida (W) and against DePaul (L)? 

For somebody who likes to fix posts, you get a lot of things wrong.  I would go in depth, but it would take longer than I really care to spend.  Look up ku's schedules.  Look up the list of conference champions.

Hell, if anything the lack of a balanced schedule hurt ku last year.  ku showed in Dallas that they were more than capable of beating UT away from Austin. 

[catzacker]

No Tournament.  6 more conference games for full round-robin.  No "unbalanced schedule."  Eliminate 2-3 OOC games that our conference apparently sucks at scheduling anyways.  Conference winner gets auto-bid.

That is 3 more weeks of conference play.  Plus, you would lose 6 noncon games as the conference tournament games are considered exempt and the 6 extra conference games wouldn't be.  There is no way that you will get a 22 game conference schedule.  The Pac 10 coaches actually don't like it and they only play 20 games.  Also, there is too much money to be made on the postseason tournament. 

You're scared to have to play the South teams on the road, aren't you? 

Yeah, terrified.  ku hasn't had any success against the South on the road since the formation of the league. 

There fixed it.  What's the best road win in the South in the past 5 years?  A&M last year?  They were this year's K-State team last year.  OSU sucked last year.  You've gotten drilled against UT and OSU the last few times and lost to OU as well.  

The fact that you can pretty much point out every ku road loss to the South in one sentence pretty much makes my point for me.  ku hasn't won 7 of 11 5 Big 12 titles out right by sucking on the road against the South.  Also, ku doesn't seem to have much trouble winning the Big 12 tourney on a neutral site as they have the best all time record in that thing as well.

I don't want to play 22 conference games because you basically would have a non existent nonconference schedule.  

There, fixed it.  This year was the first year you actually won it out right since 02-03?  Yeah, an unbalanced schedule doesn't help.  And it's not like your OOC was all that tough.  You left home, what, twice?  Against Florida (W) and against DePaul (L)? 

For somebody who likes to fix posts, you get a lot of things wrong.  I would go in depth, but it would take longer than I really care to spend.  Look up ku's schedules.  Look up the list of conference champions.

Hell, if anything the lack of a balanced schedule hurt ku last year.  ku showed in Dallas that they were more than capable of beating UT away from Austin. 

Yes, I forgot about your devastating win @ S. Carolina. 

[1albatross]

No Tournament.  6 more conference games for full round-robin.  No "unbalanced schedule."  Eliminate 2-3 OOC games that our conference apparently sucks at scheduling anyways.  Conference winner gets auto-bid.

That is 3 more weeks of conference play.  Plus, you would lose 6 noncon games as the conference tournament games are considered exempt and the 6 extra conference games wouldn't be.  There is no way that you will get a 22 game conference schedule.  The Pac 10 coaches actually don't like it and they only play 20 games.  Also, there is too much money to be made on the postseason tournament. 

The Pac 10 only plays 18 games...not 20.  But you are right.  16 is plenty, the conference power will shift back and forth all of the time.  There is no need to add any more conference games and moving the tourney is a dumb idea imo.  The gap b/t the 2 divisions is way overblown.  If the North wins just 2 more games, then the season series is tied at 18.  The thing that killed the North was CU and they are a few years away depending on who they hire.  On the opposite end of the spectrum is ku as they were the best team in the conference and the Cats had to play them twice.

ku had by far the easiest conference schedule this year b/c they got OSU, UT, and A&M at home and they can't play against themselves.  KSU would probably have another top 50 win or two if they had that schedule.  The same could be said if they played in the South b/c they would have had more shots at the higher rpi'd teams.

Oh well, we are going to the NIT and need to make the best of it.  B12 is fine the way it is and 65 is plenty (maybe one too many) for the NCAA.  Like Huggs said...we just need to win more games.

[sys]

start the season with big 12 play (still 16).  play the conf. tourney (mid februaryish?).  move the ooc to the end of the season.

[fatty fat fat]

start the season with big 12 play (still 16).  play the conf. tourney (mid februaryish?).  move the ooc to the end of the season.

Don't ever post again.

[sys]

Don't ever post again.

you could have thought if it if you had applied yourself.  i blame your time wasted on tigerboard.

[fatty fat fat]

Don't ever post again.

you could have thought if it if you had applied yourself.  i blame your time wasted on tigerboard.

tigerinkansas is hilarious.

"here is what the tigers need to do to make the Nit..."

[sys]

tigerinkansas is hilarious.

"here is what the tigers need to do to make the Nit..."

i get enough retard comments on ksu boards and baylorfans.  for my extracurricular surfing i like the high iq stuff i get at places like ouinsider.

[fatty fat fat]

tigerinkansas is hilarious.

"here is what the tigers need to do to make the Nit..."

i get enough retard comments on ksu boards and baylorfans.  for my extracurricular surfing i like the high iq stuff i get at places like ouinsider.

ada is a great guy.

cheno isn't smart.

I melted down at baylorfans.com recently after a techster bashed us.