Big XII tourney in December...

[michigancat]

I like it.  Give out the automatic bid in December.

Play the last conference games the last Saturday before selection Sunday.

It would rock.

[jmlynch1]

I agree.

[pissclams]

100% love the idea but 100% sure that Weiberg would never pull such a forward thinking move.

[hemmy]

pick a name out of a hat

i like that idea better 

[coitus]

this is a compelling idea.

i'll start a new thread on it.

[kougar24]

We're going to get a new thread spawned from each of Kietz's talking points this afternoon, I see.

[michigancat]

Works for me.

[chum1]

I don't get it.  The winner would suck ass the rest of the season.

[ksu_FAN]

Good idea.  Not exactly new though.  Don't know how the NCAA would handle a mid-season conference tournament, they haven't been done since the 70s when the NCAA tournament and selection was completely different.

[Kat Kid]

So whoever is playing the best basketball in December gets the auto bid?

How is that better than the current situation?  It seems at least as arbitrary, if not more.

[michigancat]

So whoever is playing the best basketball in December gets the auto bid?

How is that better than the current situation?  It seems at least as arbitrary, if not more.

Yeah, that's what you do.  It makes the tournament matter more because the committee has time to take all games into consideration.  We would get more credit for our Texas Tech win back then than we do now.

[pissclams]

Tech beat us back in Jan 8th and that game was more important than our win vs. them last week.

[catzacker]

That idea is so incredibly stupid.  If the Big 12 tourney is in December, call it the Holiday Tournament and have it just be that...a tournament.  Have the Holiday tournament and don't play the year end tournament and award the conference bid to the Big 12 regular season champion (use the freaking tie breakers).  

...Or don't have either tourney (holiday or end of year) and go to full schedule so we don't have to deal with the "unbalanced schedule" crap.  

[fatty fat fat]

How do you figure out seeds?

DUMB.

[Kat Kid]

Isn't the thrust of the current system that teams that "turn it on late" in a "tournament setting" get to qualify and teams that "fade down the stretch" are forced to rely on their resume?  Putting it in December seems, as I said, at least as arbitrary as having it at all and probably more so.

[michigancat]

How do you figure out seeds?

Either:

a)  Last year's finish
b)  draw out of a hat
c)  Random committee

Isn't the thrust of the current system that teams that "turn it on late" in a "tournament setting" get to qualify and teams that "fade down the stretch" are forced to rely on their resume?  Putting it in December seems, as I said, at least as arbitrary as having it at all and probably more so.

Why can't you "turn it on late" with a late conference stretch?

[KSt8er]

didn't the old old big 8 or 7 have a pre-season tourney?  I can't condone awarding the auto-bid that early though.  

Either way the Selection committee is going to move the bar around differently each year to fit whatever their agenda is, and their agenda will never look kindly on KSU.

[Dan Rydell]

How do you figure out seeds?

Either:

a)  Last year's finish
b)  draw out of a hat
c)  Random committee

Isn't the thrust of the current system that teams that "turn it on late" in a "tournament setting" get to qualify and teams that "fade down the stretch" are forced to rely on their resume?  Putting it in December seems, as I said, at least as arbitrary as having it at all and probably more so.

Why can't you "turn it on late" with a late conference stretch?

You could use the coaches' preseason poll.

[michigancat]

How do you figure out seeds?

Either:

a)  Last year's finish
b)  draw out of a hat
c)  Random committee

Isn't the thrust of the current system that teams that "turn it on late" in a "tournament setting" get to qualify and teams that "fade down the stretch" are forced to rely on their resume?  Putting it in December seems, as I said, at least as arbitrary as having it at all and probably more so.

Why can't you "turn it on late" with a late conference stretch?

You could use the coaches' preseason poll.

That would work, too.

[catzacker]

I really can't believe how retarded a December tournament with an automatic bid would be....If the MVC did this, WSU would've been in the NCAA tournament.  

If the NCAA awarded the automatic bid to the team that was the best in it's league, KSU would be in because the 4 or 5 spots taken by scrub teams that managed to eek out wins in their tournament (after the overrated mid major team lost) would've gone to Syracuse and KSU.  

[Kat Kid]

How do you figure out seeds?

Either:

a)  Last year's finish
b)  draw out of a hat
c)  Random committee

Isn't the thrust of the current system that teams that "turn it on late" in a "tournament setting" get to qualify and teams that "fade down the stretch" are forced to rely on their resume?  Putting it in December seems, as I said, at least as arbitrary as having it at all and probably more so.

Why can't you "turn it on late" with a late conference stretch?

ku's "down the stretch games" this year (assuming no Big XII title):
@ K-State, Iowa St, at Oklahoma, #15 Texas

Texas A&M:
at Oklahoma, at Oklahoma St, Baylor, at #15 Texas

Texas:
Texas Tech,   at Oklahoma,   #6 Texas A&M,   at #3 Kansas

Kansas State:
#6 Kansas,   at Colorado,   at Oklahoma St,    Oklahoma

Tech:
Oklahoma St   Baylor   at Iowa St   Colorado

Wow, I guess Tech really "turned it on" there at the end of the season! 

Arbitrary, stupid.

[michigancat]

I really can't believe how retarded a December tournament with an automatic bid would be....If the MVC did this, WSU would've been in the NCAA tournament. 

Considering they started 1-4 in conference, I'd say that's doubtful.

[Trim]

No Tournament.  6 more conference games for full round-robin.  No "unbalanced schedule."  Eliminate 2-3 OOC games that our conference apparently sucks at scheduling anyways.  Conference winner gets auto-bid.

[catzacker]

I really can't believe how retarded a December tournament with an automatic bid would be....If the MVC did this, WSU would've been in the NCAA tournament. 

Considering they started 1-4 in conference, I'd say that's doubtful.

Right before Christmas (which is when the Holiday tournament would be) they were #8 in the country and playing good basketball.  It wasn't until Vegas that they went on the downslide.  

Winning your regular season conference (over a period of 2-3 months) should matter more than winning over a 2-3 day period.  It's insanely stupid to even give the automatic bid to the conference tourney champion.  

[ksu_FAN]

I really can't believe how retarded a December tournament with an automatic bid would be....If the MVC did this, WSU would've been in the NCAA tournament. 

Considering they started 1-4 in conference, I'd say that's doubtful.

Right before Christmas (which is when the Holiday tournament would be) they were #8 in the country and playing good basketball.  It wasn't until Vegas that they went on the downslide.  

Winning your regular season conference (over a period of 2-3 months) should matter more than winning over a 2-3 day period.  It's insanely stupid to even give the automatic bid to the conference tourney champion.  

I would lean this way.  Give auto-bids to regular season conference champions.  For the mid-majors tournament champions get auto-NIT bids.  Otherwise they have to lean on the merits of their resume like everyone else does.

[DrunkoMcGee]

This idea is just as dumb as Kevin's idea that it would be better for baseball teams to start their relievers and then bring in the starter in the middle innings.   

Hell, why don't we have a horse competition in October on the night of Midnight Madness to determine the automatic bid?  It would get all kinds of media attention and then we could have our autobid given away before any games are actually played.  It would be so forward thinking.

[michigancat]

I really can't believe how retarded a December tournament with an automatic bid would be....If the MVC did this, WSU would've been in the NCAA tournament. 

Considering they started 1-4 in conference, I'd say that's doubtful.

Right before Christmas (which is when the Holiday tournament would be) they were #8 in the country and playing good basketball.  It wasn't until Vegas that they went on the downslide. 

Their "downslide" started because they started playing teams better than they were.  Their early OOC run was fool's gold.

Winning your regular season conference (over a period of 2-3 months) should matter more than winning over a 2-3 day period.  It's insanely stupid to even give the automatic bid to the conference tourney champion. 

I agree, and I think Trim's idea of eliminating the tourney and playing an balanced schedule is best.  However, too much money is made on the conference tourney...it won't go away any time soon.

[Kat Kid]

Rusty you going to respond to my post?

[michigancat]

Rusty you going to respond to my post?

I don't understand what you're talking about.

[cireksu]

Don't see how this would solve anything.