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January 15, 2007, 11:27:46 AM
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On the car radio last night, I heard “American Woman” by The Guess Who.  I was suprised to realize that it was the first time I received any enjoyment from hearing that song since the lame-ass version by Lenny Kravitz was so overplayed on the radio.1 

I’m not sure why one cover song is good and another is bad.  It seems to me, though, that part of it has something to do with whether or not the artist covering the song is able to somehow do anything new or interesting with it.  Taking one song and playing it with a different style or sound is not sufficient for making a good cover song.2  We can all imagine these types of results without any help.  I would much rather see an artist some up with something that I am not able to imagine on my own.

I think an example of a great cover song, one that adds an original and interesting perspective to an existing song is “All Along the Watchtower” by Hendrix.  I also think that the Foo Fighters’ version of “Baker Street” is pretty interesting.3 



1.  I hated that song so much that I couldn’t watch the video despite the fact that it featured Heather Graham who, at the time, made me very weak in the knees. 

2.  I think Metallica* is an exception here.  They pretty much invented their sound.  That itself entails an original and interesting spin.

3.  Yeah, the second example isn’t nearly as good as the first, but it’s the only other one I can come up with at the moment.


*Renowned for their cover songs.

January 15, 2007, 11:32:36 AM
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I don't think playing an existing new song with a new style or spin is required.  Lots of soul singers covered other soul singers without changing much back in the day.  A lot of them sound about the same, but are better than the originals.

January 15, 2007, 11:56:35 AM
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A lot of them sound about the same, but are better than the originals.

How can they be much better if they sound essentially the same?

January 15, 2007, 11:58:13 AM
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January 15, 2007, 11:58:33 AM
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Better singers.  Slightly different vocal style.  Slightly different beats.  Changes are subtle, not complete overhauls like AATWT.

January 15, 2007, 12:00:17 PM
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Nonpoint's version of 'In the Air Tonight'.

January 15, 2007, 12:10:11 PM
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friggin LOL.

These were my exact thoughts as I was driving home.  Thank God I didn't get into an accident!  IT WAS RAINING AND DARK!

January 15, 2007, 12:15:36 PM
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Better singers.  Slightly different vocal style.  Slightly different beats.  Changes are subtle, not complete overhauls like AATWT.

Okay, so a new sound and style is not only insufficient for a good cover song, but it is also not necessary for one.

January 15, 2007, 12:37:14 PM
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January 15, 2007, 12:54:05 PM
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January 15, 2007, 01:09:25 PM
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Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Christy, take off your robe. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. Sabrina, remove your dress. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Sabrina, why don't you, uh, dance a little. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Christy, get down on your knees so Sabrina can see your asshole. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. Sabrina, don't just stare at it, eat it. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite.

January 15, 2007, 01:58:58 PM
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Pearl Jam's 'crazy mary' is tons better than victoria williams version.
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January 15, 2007, 02:10:52 PM
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The best cover songs are when the new artist completely steals the original song and is more readily identified with it than the original artist.

examples off the top of my head:

"Respect"  Aretha Franklin from Otis Redding

"Proud Mary" Ike and Tina Turner from CCR

"Heard it through the grapevine" Marvin Gaye from Gladys Knight and the Pips

"Texas Flood"  Stevie Ray Vaughn

"You really got me"  Van Halen from the Kinks  the kinks version is better
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January 15, 2007, 02:38:13 PM
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January 15, 2007, 03:14:52 PM
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Is there really such a thing as a "good" cover song? I mean isn't it basically stealing? Kinda like banging your neighbor's wife.

January 15, 2007, 03:19:28 PM
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Is there really such a thing as a "good" cover song? I mean isn't it basically stealing? Kinda like banging your neighbor's wife.

KK mentioned some great cover songs.  I can't think of anything bad about Ike and Tina's version, especially.

January 15, 2007, 03:22:56 PM
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CCR>>>>>>>>>>Ike and Tina. But I'm a big CCR fan so I'm sure there's bias.

I'm torn though. Sometimes I think a cover song sounds good, other times it just makes me angry.

January 15, 2007, 03:26:22 PM
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Is there really such a thing as a "good" cover song?

I guess you've never heard "Cat's in the Cradle" by Ugly Kid Joe.

I prefer CCR, too.

January 15, 2007, 03:27:29 PM
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January 15, 2007, 08:33:51 PM
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Donna Summer's cover of MacArthur Park pales in comparison with Richard Harris's original.


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January 16, 2007, 08:41:22 AM
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Is there really such a thing as a "good" cover song? I mean isn't it basically stealing? Kinda like banging your neighbor's wife.

yes, but it's like banging your neighbor's wife in a new and interesting way.  Suppose your neighbor only bangs his wife in the missionary position, but you bang his wife with all sorts of new positions and methods, like anal.


Leela James cover of Don't Speak blows No Doubt's version away. 

January 16, 2007, 09:24:53 AM
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Has no one mentioned the all time greatest cover song in musical history?

"All along the watch tower".

January 16, 2007, 09:28:25 AM
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yes, but it's like banging your neighbor's wife in a new and interesting way.  Suppose your neighbor only bangs his wife in the missionary position, but you bang his wife with all sorts of new positions and methods, like anal.


Leela James cover of Don't Speak blows No Doubt's version away. 
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Interesting assessment.

I tend to look at it this way...

Your neighbor meets his future wife(idea for a song), takes her out on dates, pays for dinner and movies and cards and flowers and all that $hit(writing multiple drafts of song). His hard work pays off with an exclusive pass into her panties(song becomes a hit).

Neighbor gets married, a few years pass and things start to get stale. Wifey puts up a road block on the highway to Poonville so neighbor guy rubs 'em out in the shower every morning(song falls off the charts).

So here you come along(new artist) with a bottle of cheap wine, a dash of Cool Water, and some tulips you pulled from neighbor guy's flowerbed and proceed to put the moves on wifey(remix song).

Now maybe you take her down the hershey highway for hours on end, giving her 8 consecutive orgasms(better than original version). But more then likely you're going rail her for two minutes, wipe off on her new 800 thread count Egyptian cotton sheets, and end up with a mulatto bastard child(crappy version).

January 16, 2007, 10:45:20 AM
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Has no one mentioned the all time greatest cover song in musical history?

"All along the watch tower".

C1 did in his original post.


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January 16, 2007, 01:37:52 PM
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my bad, I skimmed the thread.

January 17, 2007, 09:02:59 AM
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yes, but it's like banging your neighbor's wife in a new and interesting way.  Suppose your neighbor only bangs his wife in the missionary position, but you bang his wife with all sorts of new positions and methods, like anal.


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Interesting assessment.

I tend to look at it this way...

Your neighbor meets his future wife(idea for a song), takes her out on dates, pays for dinner and movies and cards and flowers and all that $hit(writing multiple drafts of song). His hard work pays off with an exclusive pass into her panties(song becomes a hit).

Neighbor gets married, a few years pass and things start to get stale. Wifey puts up a road block on the highway to Poonville so neighbor guy rubs 'em out in the shower every morning(song falls off the charts).

So here you come along(new artist) with a bottle of cheap wine, a dash of Cool Water, and some tulips you pulled from neighbor guy's flowerbed and proceed to put the moves on wifey(remix song).

Now maybe you take her down the hershey highway for hours on end, giving her 8 consecutive orgasms(better than original version). But more then likely you're going rail her for two minutes, wipe off on her new 800 thread count Egyptian cotton sheets, and end up with a mulatto bastard child(crappy version).

So where does someone like Puff Daddy/P Didddy/ Diddy/ ???? fit in to this idea with his samples.  Is he railing a new girl, while diddling the neighbors wife every few minutes on the side?

And I'll toss out Ben Fold's cover of Bitches Ain't crap.

January 17, 2007, 11:40:25 AM
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It appears that we are confusing cover versions with remakes in much of this thread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover_version

Has anyone here heard Nickel Creek's cover of "Toxic"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Lk45-E-BSk

January 17, 2007, 11:44:23 AM
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It appears that we are confusing cover versions with remakes in much of this thread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover_version

Has anyone here heard Nickel Creek's cover of "Toxic"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Lk45-E-BSk

My wife's a big fan and I took her to see them the last time they were in KC.  They're pretty good.

January 17, 2007, 12:08:03 PM
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It appears that we are confusing cover versions with remakes in much of this thread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover_version

I actually read that before I posted.  While the history is interesting, I decided that I am fine with today's common usage despite what some guy with a stick up his ass says.

January 18, 2007, 06:29:32 PM
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When DMC redid Walk this Way.. I thought it was pretty good.