ku hits grand-slam with OC hiring

[BMWJhawk]

Looks like somebody forgot to take their medication....

[waks]

Once again, good deflection. You are just really good at this.

[ds43fan]

That didn't make any sense.

I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

let me simplify and use bigger words
Our Other Starting Running Back James Johnson was higher ranked, faster, bigger, and has a stronger bench than all three of your replacements for John Cornish

[The Manhatter]

oh boy.  So many stupid things said by BMW so I'll keep it short.

- yep, I said KSU would win at ku.  I was correct about KSU being the better team.  Better record w/ a tougher schedule and higher finish in conference standings = better team.  Nobody could forecast last year that half our team would be on the shelf w/ injuries for your super bowl.  Congrats.

- ku returns 2 starters on the OL, not three.  Ochoa, Whittaker, and Dambach started every game this year and have over 100 career starts as a trio.  We went through this last year w/ beak fans concerning your defense.  You didn't believe us then and now after ku has the worst pass D in the NCAA I'm not even going to bother trying to tell you that you don't lose 100 career starts in the interior OL and not lose a few steps.

- LOL at "our replacements are bigger, faster...blah blah than Patton".  Ummm..Sharp's fastest legit 100 was 10.8..Patton went 10.6.  Patton is faster than all of your RB's and lol at his ranking.  If you think it's all about rankings then Bryan Baldwin is a better corner than Aqib Talib.  Congrats to us.

[BMWJhawk]

Hatter...  wrong once again.

Every team has injuries.  It's not just K-State, so get over it.  ku was at least 3 TD's better than K-State last season.

ku returns 2 starters on the OL, not three.

Ryan Cantrell has starting experience on the OL.  He didn't play as much last season because of injury, but he was a big reason why ku won 4 of its last 5 games in '05. 

We went through this last year w/ beak fans concerning your defense.  You didn't believe us then and now after ku has the worst pass D in the NCAA I'm not even going to bother trying to tell you that you don't lose 100 career starts in the interior OL and not lose a few steps.

I never said ku wouldn't lose a few steps.  I realize it takes time to get the O-line playing as one unit, and losing a running back like Cornish is tough.  However, it's not all doom and gloom like you make it out to be.  I simply pointed out that Leon Patton emerged as a good running back for K-State last year, despite the fact that no one had him as a starter before the season started.

LOL at "our replacements are bigger, faster...blah blah than Patton".  Ummm..Sharp's fastest legit 100 was 10.8..Patton went 10.6.  Patton is faster than all of your RB's and lol at his ranking.  If you think it's all about rankings then Bryan Baldwin is a better corner than Aqib Talib.  Congrats to us.

Again... I was using Patton as a comparison to some of the running backs that ku has on the team.  The truth is that no one knows how well they will work out for us, but there are some solid prospects waiting for the opportunity to be the man at running back.  Your 100-meter times for Sharp and Patton are laughable at best... both guys have plenty of speed. 

Oh, and not once did I say it was all about rankings.  That's all any of us can go by at this point.  People that are close to the program say that Quigley is the real deal, and that Donte Bean is going to be a good one as well.  Sharp averaged over 6 yards a carry last season.  Not bad. 

Another guy I should mention is Carmon Boyd-Anderson, who could push for playing time next year if he lives up to the hype.  #33 running back overall and another Texas Top 100 recruit.  Regardless, ku has plenty of options at running back and plenty to look forward to for next season. 

[ds43fan]

your on the wong board if you want to talk how "good" ku will be, also i've noticed you don't watnt o talk about the guy who splits time with Patton, James Johnson

[waks]

You're in over your head. Go back to the Phog.

[sonofdaxjones]

I just have a question.

Since for the last 8 months the Hen House has told us how badly all of our coaches suck, and all of their coaches are so damn great except of course Nick Q, who has now been replaced by a certified genius.

When is this group at ku going to actually produce a team that AT least  has a .500 record in conference play??

[BMWJhawk]

OX, I still don't see why you think James Johnson has any affect on ku's running game.  I simply compared Patton to a few of our own prospects.  Nothing more, nothing less.

your on the wong board if you want to talk how "good" ku will be

You asked who we might have at running back, and I gave you a breakdown.  I realize you guys are going to hate on ku as much as possible.

When is this group at ku going to actually produce a team that is AT least  .500 record in conference play??

Last year was our best chance in a long time and we choked it away at Baylor.  I remain optimistic though. 

[ds43fan]

Yes, you compared Leon Patton one of our starting running backs, I was simply asking why you have been ignoring our second starting running back James Johnson. Yes I asked you to list some running backs, I didn't need a breakdown of the offensive line, also when I compared JJ to your backs, you shot it down. Why should Leon Patton be your only comparing point? If my exact same style of anaylisis is worthless, then what is yours?

[The Manhatter]

Every team has injuries.  It's not just K-State, so get over it.  ku was at least 3 TD's better than K-State last season.

Yep and some are more hit by injuries than others.  ku didn't have any significant losses out for our game...we did.  LOL that ku is 3 TD's better..umm, then why did we have a better record w/ a tougher schedule and go to a bowl and ku didn't?  I guess it's a one game schedule.  Beat the non-rivals and nothing in the season matters.

Ryan Cantrell has starting experience on the OL.  He didn't play as much last season because of injury, but he was a big reason why ku won 4 of its last 5 games in '05.

 

A lot of teams have a young player who have filled in for a few starts but that does not make them a "returning starter".  I don't consider somebody who started a few games for us a returning starter.  Now he's a returning player w/ starting experience but not a returning starter.  Again, Ochoa, Dambach, and Whittaker were your starters on the interior OL.  I know Wolfe is a stud but he's a young player.  It's not like these players will just step in and everthing will be the same as last year.


And finally.  I never said I didn't like ku's stable of running backs I just found your comment entertaining.  I think Sharp was vastly overrated and you will find that out.  Boyd-Anderson is the RB I wanted in this class but EVERYBODY backed off of him and that has all of the makings of a kid who will struggle to qualify.  He was talking up Nebraska, KSU, and Iowa early and often in his recruiting and then those three schools backed off so he fell to ku.  

Sharp averaged 6 yards per carry but in spot duty and not necessarily in I-formation power running plays.  He ran a few reverses and misdirection stuff.  Get in there and do it down after down...he's a great kid and works his butt off and, yes, he has plenty of speed but he's not going to do much as a RB in the Big 12.  That doesn't mean he can't be a productive player but any comparisons of him to either Leon Patton or James Johnson is absurd.

[sonofdaxjones]

OX, I still don't see why you think James Johnson has any affect on ku's running game.  I simply compared Patton to a few of our own prospects.  Nothing more, nothing less.

your on the wong board if you want to talk how "good" ku will be

You asked who we might have at running back, and I gave you a breakdown.  I realize you guys are going to hate on ku as much as possible.

When is this group at ku going to actually produce a team that is AT least  .500 record in conference play??

Last year was our best chance in a long time and we choked it away at Baylor.  I remain optimistic though. 

Yep, all the D1 experience on that coaching staff at ku, and damn if they don't keep choking games away, and finishing below .500 in a weak ass Big 12 North.

[BMWJhawk]

LOL that ku is 3 TD's better..umm, then why did we have a better record w/ a tougher schedule and go to a bowl and ku didn't?

Because K-State pulled a big win out of its a$$ against Texas and OSU, and ku choked against Baylor, Nebraska, and Texas A&M. 

On the field, when both teams played each other, ku was the better team.  The game was close to being a blowout.

A lot of teams have a young player who have filled in for a few starts but that does not make them a "returning starter".  I don't consider somebody who started a few games for us a returning starter.  Now he's a returning player w/ starting experience but not a returning starter.

I agree, but that's just basically arguing semantics.  I don't think our O-line will be as bad as K-State's was last year, and you guys won 7 games.

Sharp averaged 6 yards per carry but in spot duty and not necessarily in I-formation power running plays.  He ran a few reverses and misdirection stuff.  Get in there and do it down after down...he's a great kid and works his butt off and, yes, he has plenty of speed but he's not going to do much as a RB in the Big 12.  That doesn't mean he can't be a productive player but any comparisons of him to either Leon Patton or James Johnson is absurd.

That's why I put Sharp 3rd on my list of running backs.  I really like Donte Bean's potential and the coaching staff is really high on Quigley as well.  Sharp will be used as a change-of-pace back and will return kicks.  That's what I expect out of him.

Yep, all the D1 experience on that coaching staff at ku, and damn if they don't keep choking games away, and finishing below .500 in a weak ass Big 12 North.

ku was 3-2 against the North, K-State was 2-3.

[sonofdaxjones]

Yep, and in a year KthUg gets the easy South schedule, KthUg once again fails to finish above .500 in conference play.

[Bookcat]

Le'ts face it..ku simply reloads.

 

[sonofdaxjones]

Le'ts face it..ku simply reloads.

 

How can they not just reload, led by that collection of football geniuses?

[pissclams]

Why is the trust factor important? Because Mangino isn't going to hand the keys to the offense to somebody he doesn't trust.

LOL @ "the keys" to ku's offense.

[Joker]

    Quote:that ______________ is a bad hire at OC? Because he has little OC experience? Because he's not a big name? I'll admit I wasn't jumping up and down out of my chair when I heard the news. But after a little bit of research and thought, I think this could be a pretty good hire. Some facts to consider:



Why wasn't Ron Prince given this same consideration?

Book, comparing the situation is pretty stupid, even for you.

http://mb24.scout.com/fkansasinsiderfrm5.showMessage?topicID=20712.topic

So ....hiring head coach with little experience/no big name = disaster
but....hiring OC with little experience/no big name = great potential

Dare I question the Phlocks "football IQ" ?

[Pete]

Is

[PowercatPosse]

Come on guys.  The OL and the running game are not going to miss a beat.    Just like after the 05 season when they did miss those LBs (who had 8 starting years of experience) and the rest of the Seniors.  They did not fall off much this year from that top 20 ranking in 2005...... LOL

ku had the easiest schedule in the Big 12 and they still could not manage a winning record.  6-6 is just sad

ku also had the easiest B12 schedule and they could not win 4 conf games.  11th straight year of having a LOSING record.   That is just pittyful.

[WilliamTheWildcat]

WHO? 

Illinois lost 10 games.  Muuuhahhhhaaaaa.

They struck gold.

[BMWJhawk]

#1 rushing offense in the Big 10. 

Meanwhile, K-State just promoted a guy from North Dakota as their d-coordinator.  Your new strength & conditioning coach was fired from Pitt.  Great work, Prince!

 

[mjrod]

#1 rushing offense in the Big 10. 

Yes, but what did that get them?

That's like saying "She's the thinnest fat girl in the camp."

[BMWJhawk]

#1 rushing offense in the Big 10. 

Ed Warriner wasn't the head coach.  He was the o-line coach and running game coordinator. 

Your concern is noted.

[mjrod]

#1 rushing offense in the Big 10. 

Ed Warriner wasn't the head coach.  He was the o-line coach and running game coordinator. 

Your concern is noted.

Let's put this in perspective..

You're getting a guy who will not give you a net gain in your current position because statistically, while he managed to get to be #1 in the Big Ten, that same production here in the Big 12 would not change your position in total rushing offense in the Big 12.  His 188 YPG average would mave ku up to the 3rd in the Big 12 but not by much.  His total of 2266 yards was good for second total yards in the Big 10 but 5th overall in the Big 12, just where you are sitting at right now.

So in essence, you gained very little.  Congrats on your hire.

[catsdo]

Why are we worrying about ku's offensive coordinator?  ku will most likely the most underachieving team in the Big12.  They didn't even make a bowl game with the self proclaimed "easiest schedule in the big 12."  I see them still sucking next year because their head coach is still Mark Mangino.

[turbowildcat]

LOL that ku is 3 TD's better..umm, then why did we have a better record w/ a tougher schedule and go to a bowl and ku didn't?

Because K-State pulled a big win out of its a$$ against Texas and OSU, and ku choked against Baylor, Nebraska, and Texas A&M. 

On the field, when both teams played each other, ku was the better team.  The game was close to being a blowout.

A lot of teams have a young player who have filled in for a few starts but that does not make them a "returning starter".  I don't consider somebody who started a few games for us a returning starter.  Now he's a returning player w/ starting experience but not a returning starter.

I agree, but that's just basically arguing semantics.  I don't think our O-line will be as bad as K-State's was last year, and you guys won 7 games.

Sharp averaged 6 yards per carry but in spot duty and not necessarily in I-formation power running plays.  He ran a few reverses and misdirection stuff.  Get in there and do it down after down...he's a great kid and works his butt off and, yes, he has plenty of speed but he's not going to do much as a RB in the Big 12.  That doesn't mean he can't be a productive player but any comparisons of him to either Leon Patton or James Johnson is absurd.

That's why I put Sharp 3rd on my list of running backs.  I really like Donte Bean's potential and the coaching staff is really high on Quigley as well.  Sharp will be used as a change-of-pace back and will return kicks.  That's what I expect out of him.

Yep, all the D1 experience on that coaching staff at ku, and damn if they don't keep choking games away, and finishing below .500 in a weak ass Big 12 North.

ku was 3-2 against the North, K-State was 2-3.

KSU was the only big 12 north team to go over .500 (2-1) against the much tougher south, while ku went (0-3)

[sonofdaxjones]

ku Football . . . 0 for the Big 12 in winning seasons.

[cireksu]

I bet they try to run a WV style spread option.  Mangino=spread  New Nobody OC=option.

[BMWJhawk]

ku football.... only 19 points better than K-State.