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[nicname]

Just for some reference.  

[ltrain37]

Just for some reference.  

Boeheim needs a new agent

[catzacker]

How does this make him more valuable than wins?  If anything, knowing KSU has lowballed and insulted him will cause other schools to think they can get him on the cheap.

ok.  how 'bout back to the original jeffrey martin premise:  martin wants to stay at kstate and get paid lots of money, but currie is an obstacle to that.

This is what makes me think frank is gone in the near future regardless of any agreement he and currie enter into at the end or during the season.  And for the people that think “well, he would be gone anyways” while that may be true, we’ll never know if he would have stayed based upon some intangible things that he thought he had here (i.e. loyalty, a good relationship with the AD, a real committment, etc.) because our AD decided to throw some asinine number out there to begin with.  It’s completely obvious that Frank wants more money for himself and his staff and has told people (who have then intern told reporters) as such.  He himself just corrected a radio show host to say he’s the lowest paid coach in the big 12.  To me, he’s gone, regardless of the new contract.  The sad thing is we’ll never know if he would have stayed had our AD not been, allegedly, so obtuse.

I don't know why you think the "asinine number" that Currie initially offered Martin in a contract extension negotiation is going to prove to be a more important factor in Frank's eventual decision to leave than the huge number that some other team is going to offer him.  THAT is what is going to make him leave (in addition to the fact that he'll undoubtedly be going to a more prestigous school, not a possible feeling of disrespect from the school at one point in a contract negotiation.  But I guess it is, and will be, more fun to blame the school than to blame the man who will leave to take more money.

No offense, but you’re just as obtuse as Currie (allegedly) is.  If you’re at a school that has inherent disadvantages to other schools, you don’t piss away the one advantage that your school has.  IMO, your one advantage is that, by all accounts, Frank is a loyal guy, maybe to a fault.  Now, that’s just my opinion, maybe that’s just what I want to believe, but that’s what I believe.  You don’t come at a guy like that and disrespect him.  I'm not saying that this will make him stay, but (a) it wouldn't hurt and (b) it doesn't cost anything more than what you were going to pay anyway.  

I'm not saying that Currie shouldn't have started a little higher, like $1M.  But my point is that you're being obtuse if you think that an initial offer in a contract negotiation is going to be a bigger factor in Frank's eventual decision to leave than the big number he's being offered.  Yes, K-State should maximize the intangibles to foster loyalty.  But don't pretend that those things carry more weight than money.   But, again, no one wants to blame Martin for anything, either now or in the future.  When he leaves to make a lot more money, fans now can blame the University who insulted him by offering him a raise and a contract extension while he was still under contract.  And no one is blaming Martin now for demanding more money from the University even though he's under contract for 2 1/2 more years...a contract he negotiated and signed in good faith.  I guess when a coach is winning, he can do no wrong.

my problem is that, allegedly, we'll never know if this is true or not when it comes to Frank Martin.  And if that's the case, then Currie is a jackass, imo becuase he failed to do his job correctly.  His job isn't to keep Frank, it's to do everything in his power to try to make Frank stay. It's why Weiser was a jackass for the way he handled Huggins.   I won't blame martin for wanting to leave if Currie did him as it's alleged.  I'll blame currie, and imo, it would be warranted.  After a short while of being pissed at Currie, I'll hate Frank, don't worry.  

[ksu_FAN]

Richard Katz.  Represents Huggs.
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You and Katz go way back, can't you just shoot him and email and calm the waters for us?

[michigancat]

from 2 years ago:

Am I crazy in thinking that Richard Katz is behind this KC Star article just like he was behind the onslaught of media attention to the fact that Huggins was unsigned for a while?  If you remember, Katz was quoted in the same fashion several times as it relates to contract negotiations for Huggins.  

If Dick Katz can create a stir and an environment of panic by feeding this story to a major news outlet, isn't that him just doing a good job of negotiating through the media for his client?  I wish Dick Katz was my attorney/agent.  

[steve dave]

Katz you sly devil 

[NYRoyal]

my problem is that, allegedly, we'll never know if this is true or not when it comes to Frank Martin.  And if that's the case, then Currie is a jackass, imo becuase he failed to do his job correctly.  His job isn't to keep Frank, it's to do everything in his power to try to make Frank stay. It's why Weiser was a jackass for the way he handled Huggins.   I won't blame martin for wanting to leave if Currie did him as it's alleged.  I'll blame currie, and imo, it would be warranted.  After a short while of being pissed at Currie, I'll hate Frank, don't worry.  

Good, because when Frank leaves, it will be because somebody offered him a lot more money than K-State could afford to spend on him.  Anything other explanation will just be wischasting or fan grudge-holding.

[Rick Daris]

Wow Daris . . . Frank must have a pretty high flying lifestyle.  

He seems more normal to me . . . but hey you never know these days.

Going with Rusty . . .  Frank signs new contract and new extension, has a magical 1 or 2 point NIT victory in Bramlage, then gets worked like a little b_tch out in San Diego . . . but suddenly K-State and Currie  need to slobber all over him with a $2-3-400K pay increase and contract extenstion prior to the season even starting??  

 

1) what does "Wow Daris . . . Frank must have a pretty high flying lifestyle"  mean? you've lost me.

2) there was nothing "new" about the contract dax. the contract rusty linked was his orginal contract that was probably agreed to a full year before it was signed and announced. it was retroactive a full year and expires after the 2011-2012 season. you're welcome.

[ksu_FAN]

Did anyone really listen to the podcast?  While its not like Frank was saying "I'm staying", he also didn't sound like a guy that was just ready to get out of here either. 

Man this thing has gotten ridiculous, but its fun to see the fans fired up.

[mcmwcat]

Did anyone really listen to the podcast?  While its not like Frank was saying "I'm staying", he also didn't sound like a guy that was just ready to get out of here either. 

Man this thing has gotten ridiculous, but its fun to see the fans fired up.

yes i did.  he corrected the radio guy a few sentences into his answer.  so he did clarify he thinks he is the lowest paid coach in the league. but he also clarified that he thinks he has the administration and the fan's full support.  also he doesn't do the job to make money.  he does it because he loves doing it.

i think most of this has to do w making sure a practice facility is in the works and that his staff is taken care of (and that he isn't the lowest paid coach in the league).

[Olivia Neutron Bomb]

Frank has asked for a raise of $400,000 to be split between him and his assistants.  That would probably put him over $1 million in pay, and Frank said he'd be happy with that.  The rest would put Hill further ahead of all other assistants in college basketball, which I think is absolutely great given the talent Hill has brought here.  Paying Hill more would also piss off ku, whose AD employees accost K-Staters on the offensiveness of paying Hill so much money.  

Mr. Currie, pay Frank and his assistants the $400,000, and keep this coach and staff on board as K-Staters.

[BarryMcCockner]

Frank has asked for a raise of $400,000 to be split between him and his assistants.  That would probably put him over $1 million in pay, and Frank said he'd be happy with that.  The rest would put Hill further ahead of all other assistants in college basketball, which I think is absolutely great given the talent Hill has brought here.  Paying Hill more would also piss off ku, whose AD employees accost K-Staters on the offensiveness of paying Hill so much money.  

Mr. Currie, pay Frank and his assistants the $400,000, and keep this coach and staff on board as K-Staters.

JFC that is some inside info.  WhyTF should we believe you, and what else do you know?

[mikeycat]

I think the $40k offer was basically a COLA.   Like i said in the other thread, it was before this season, after Curry came on board.   I think Curry looked at the contract and said to himself that Frank needed a little bump, ingratiate himself with the guy a litte with an unrequested raise.  I believe that is the most likely scenario until I see proof otherwise.       It may have evolved into something more than that, and after all the fan uproar at this point it probably has no other choice but to become a full blown raise.

[threadkiller]

Just for some reference.  

Duke released information a few months ago that K got 3.6something last season from the university. 

[sonofdaxjones]

Daris, I don't recall saying or implying there was anything "new" about said contract.

In fact in and of itself the fact that it was retroactive has pretty much nothing to do with nothing.

[ksu_FANw]

From KMG's website:
"We believe negotiation is not based solely on numbers set by previous teams and players.  There is an intrinsic value to each individual athlete that must be determined.  Our experience and skill allow us to calculate and capitalize on that value.  We pride ourselves on attention to detail.  There is no substitute for preparation, research, and planning."

How smart of them to negotiate using every possible resource...including America's Angriest Fans. From the way they are both handling the media, it's obvious Katz is ready and Frank is in a great position. I hope Currie is up to the challenge.

[steve dave]

From KMG's website:
"We believe negotiation is not based solely on numbers set by previous teams and players.  There is an intrinsic value to each individual athlete that must be determined.  Our experience and skill allow us to calculate and capitalize on that value.  We pride ourselves on attention to detail.  There is no substitute for preparation, research, and planning."

How smart of them to negotiate using every possible resource...including America's Angriest Fans. From the way they are both handling the media, it's obvious Katz is ready and Frank is in a great position. I hope Currie is up to the challenge.

You would think so, but.......  <michigancat

[Rick Daris]

Daris, I don't recall saying or implying there was anything "new" about said contract.

In fact in and of itself the fact that it was retroactive has pretty much nothing to do with nothing.

you said "when frank signed his new contract and new extension." this implies that there was an "old" contract. there wasn't. it was the only contract. not like i care anymore. this thing is starting to sound like it could be getting fracked up beyond repair. still love you though. :gentlemanshandshake:

[michigancat]

Daris, I don't recall saying or implying there was anything "new" about said contract.

In fact in and of itself the fact that it was retroactive has pretty much nothing to do with nothing.

you said "when frank signed his new contract and new extension." this implies that there was an "old" contract. there wasn't. it was the only contract. not like i care anymore. this thing is starting to sound like it could be getting fracked up beyond repair. still love you though. :gentlemanshandshake:

Actually, in the goodman article it said they agreed to 4 year contracts initially.  But whatev's.

[Rick Daris]

Daris, I don't recall saying or implying there was anything "new" about said contract.

In fact in and of itself the fact that it was retroactive has pretty much nothing to do with nothing.

you said "when frank signed his new contract and new extension." this implies that there was an "old" contract. there wasn't. it was the only contract. not like i care anymore. this thing is starting to sound like it could be getting fracked up beyond repair. still love you though. :gentlemanshandshake:

Actually, in the goodman article it said they agreed to 4 year contracts initially.  But whatev's.

goodman??? pffft.

[michigancat]

Daris, I don't recall saying or implying there was anything "new" about said contract.

In fact in and of itself the fact that it was retroactive has pretty much nothing to do with nothing.

you said "when frank signed his new contract and new extension." this implies that there was an "old" contract. there wasn't. it was the only contract. not like i care anymore. this thing is starting to sound like it could be getting fracked up beyond repair. still love you though. :gentlemanshandshake:

Actually, in the goodman article it said they agreed to 4 year contracts initially.  But whatev's.

goodman??? pffft.

Pretty sure Frank and goodsey lived in a basement together.  Look it up.