Dan Hawkins to Colorado as

[Bookcat]

Gary Patterson to Kstate
 

[Special_K]

Love the comparison

[michigancat]

I did a "what if he's kragthorpe" thread after "It's Patterson!".

[Bookcat]

its one thing to see Hawkins to faceplant terribly at Colorado...but the added dimension is that Boise State, in my mind, is still quite good and has managed to reload guys like Zabransky and Ian Johnson(?).

tcu is good too, just choked a bit tonight imho.......and I'm convinced that Patterson leaving tcu would be career suicide for the guy. He wouldn't be able to dominate at a bigger conference and go to "we feel sorry for you since your an undefeated mid major so we'll give you the keys to the Fiesta" BCS bowl invites..... I think he knows that too.

[Special_K]

The mistake people make in assuming Patterson would dominate the Big XII if he came here is they forget the guy's offenses have been putrid until the team he put on the field this season.

I have no doubt he would field a very good defensive team and would still be able to tap some of the Texas pipelines he currently has, although not to the extent as what he has at tcu, but in the BCS conferences you HAVE to be able to score points.

Patterson's not going to be able to walk into KSU and win games in the Big XII North 10-3 or 13-10 like he's been able to pull off against the less talented opponents he faces at tcu.

[Pett]

I think we all know that Peterson was the brains behind the operation in Boise. Dan was just lucky enough to be the head man in charge when they started to have success....

[SuperG]

I think we all know that Peterson was the brains behind the operation in Boise. Dan was just lucky enough to be the head man in charge when they started to have success....

Don't forget that the cluster &@#% of an athletic program at CU were dumb enough to hire and extend him too.

[JTKSU]

Love G Patt but if he can't recruit in DFW, he's not going to be able to recruit to Manhattan.  He's able to dominate a crapty conference because those team all have similar talents levels.  I don't think his ability to "coach 'em up" would result in any CCGs or BCS bowls for us when the other teams Jimmies are beating our Joes brains in.

[michigancat]

[steve dave]

 

[kcchiefdav]

This thread is the early leader for Lowest FBIQ thread of the year.

[catzacker]

I can’t figure out if the “gary wouldn’t be able to win in a big conference” thing is just a defense mechanism by some ksu fans.  Who the hell is claiming that gary would dominate the big 12…and who the hell is asking him to?  He’s a good enough coach with good enough recruiting connections (or at least his staff has them) that he’d be able to win the north on a consistent basis.  That’s all you want or could ask for.  And if you do that, then you’ll put yourself in a position to sneak up and beat OU or UT in the championship game at some point.  The days of having reasonable expectations to dominate the north and/or win the big 12 are over.  O-VER.  Bill made sure of that by keeping around terrible assistants and Ron put an exclamation point by that.   

[Lou Holtz]

Thnyder ith the Thpike Dyketh to Mithithippi'th Tham Thneed.

[jeffy]

Thnyder ith the Thpike Dyketh to Mithithippi'th Tham Thneed.

Sam Sneed the golfer?

[KITNfury]

The mistake people make in assuming Patterson would dominate the Big XII if he came here is they forget the guy's offenses have been putrid until the team he put on the field this season.

I have no doubt he would field a very good defensive team and would still be able to tap some of the Texas pipelines he currently has, although not to the extent as what he has at tcu, but in the BCS conferences you HAVE to be able to score points.

Patterson's not going to be able to walk into KSU and win games in the Big XII North 10-3 or 13-10 like he's been able to pull off against the less talented opponents he faces at tcu.

Nebraska, and their field goal away from the BCS, says hi.

[michigancat]

I can’t figure out if the “gary wouldn’t be able to win in a big conference” thing is just a defense mechanism by some ksu fans.  Who the hell is claiming that gary would dominate the big 12…and who the hell is asking him to?  He’s a good enough coach with good enough recruiting connections (or at least his staff has them) that he’d be able to win the north on a consistent basis.  That’s all you want or could ask for.  And if you do that, then you’ll put yourself in a position to sneak up and beat OU or UT in the championship game at some point.  The days of having reasonable expectations to dominate the north and/or win the big 12 are over.  O-VER.  Bill made sure of that by keeping around terrible assistants and Ron put an exclamation point by that.   

zack, always remember, that as a whole, our fans are morons.  Questions like this make more sense when you remember this fact.

[KSUCBR1K]

I think we all know that Peterson was the brains behind the operation in Boise. Dan was just lucky enough to be the head man in charge when they started to have success....

So what do you think of Chris Peterson taking over the reins as HC when OB retires? I really like what he has done out there, but would he come to MHK?

[steve dave]

but would he come to MHK?

Not a chance in hell

[michigancat]

but would he come to MHK?

Not a chance in hell

dammit, I was hoping he would accept a HCIW role so he can "learn the ropes" from The Legend.

[Lou Holtz]

Thnyder ith the Thpike Dyketh to Mithithippi'th Tham Thneed.

Sam Sneed the golfer?

Doeth thith tard ride the thort buth?

[Special_K]

The mistake people make in assuming Patterson would dominate the Big XII if he came here is they forget the guy's offenses have been putrid until the team he put on the field this season.

I have no doubt he would field a very good defensive team and would still be able to tap some of the Texas pipelines he currently has, although not to the extent as what he has at tcu, but in the BCS conferences you HAVE to be able to score points.

Patterson's not going to be able to walk into KSU and win games in the Big XII North 10-3 or 13-10 like he's been able to pull off against the less talented opponents he faces at tcu.

Nebraska, and their field goal away from the BCS, says hi.

And do you think G-Patt would be able to pull in the kind of talent on the defensive side of the ball that Nub has this year? The answer is a big, fat "no."

Go back and look at the athletes and their high school/juco rankings coming into college for that Nebraska defense this year. LOADED. Callahan couldn't do much, but he could recruit.

[fatty fat fat]

The mistake people make in assuming Patterson would dominate the Big XII if he came here is they forget the guy's offenses have been putrid until the team he put on the field this season.

I have no doubt he would field a very good defensive team and would still be able to tap some of the Texas pipelines he currently has, although not to the extent as what he has at tcu, but in the BCS conferences you HAVE to be able to score points.

Patterson's not going to be able to walk into KSU and win games in the Big XII North 10-3 or 13-10 like he's been able to pull off against the less talented opponents he faces at tcu.

holy f*cking god. i mean, seriously. for the love of mass transportation.

[KITNfury]

The mistake people make in assuming Patterson would dominate the Big XII if he came here is they forget the guy's offenses have been putrid until the team he put on the field this season.

I have no doubt he would field a very good defensive team and would still be able to tap some of the Texas pipelines he currently has, although not to the extent as what he has at tcu, but in the BCS conferences you HAVE to be able to score points.

Patterson's not going to be able to walk into KSU and win games in the Big XII North 10-3 or 13-10 like he's been able to pull off against the less talented opponents he faces at tcu.

Nebraska, and their field goal away from the BCS, says hi.

And do you think G-Patt would be able to pull in the kind of talent on the defensive side of the ball that Nub has this year? The answer is a big, fat "no."

Go back and look at the athletes and their high school/juco rankings coming into college for that Nebraska defense this year. LOADED. Callahan couldn't do much, but he could recruit.

That's tough to prove either way. You said you had no doubt that he would field a very good defense, but that it wouldn't be enough. It's been shown this year that a very good defense and absolutely no offense is enough to win the north by 2 games and almost win the Dr pepper. Myth busted.

[michigancat]

The mistake people make in assuming Patterson would dominate the Big XII if he came here is they forget the guy's offenses have been putrid until the team he put on the field this season.

I have no doubt he would field a very good defensive team and would still be able to tap some of the Texas pipelines he currently has, although not to the extent as what he has at tcu, but in the BCS conferences you HAVE to be able to score points.

Patterson's not going to be able to walk into KSU and win games in the Big XII North 10-3 or 13-10 like he's been able to pull off against the less talented opponents he faces at tcu.

Nebraska, and their field goal away from the BCS, says hi.

And do you think G-Patt would be able to pull in the kind of talent on the defensive side of the ball that Nub has this year? The answer is a big, fat "no."

Go back and look at the athletes and their high school/juco rankings coming into college for that Nebraska defense this year. LOADED. Callahan couldn't do much, but he could recruit.

So you're a Venzy disciple? 

[Special_K]

So you're a Venzy disciple? 

I think Patterson would be a good hire after Snyder leaves; I just don't think he's going to walk in here and win the North every year like some of our fans are assuming he would.

IMO if Patterson was our coach this year, with the talent we had on both sides of the ball, our defense would've been comparable, maybe slightly better, to what we saw this year. Our offense would've been near the bottom of the NCAA, however.

[Special_K]

That's tough to prove either way. You said you had no doubt that he would field a very good defense, but that it wouldn't be enough. It's been shown this year that a very good defense and absolutely no offense is enough to win the north by 2 games and almost win the Dr pepper. Myth busted.

Nebraska's defense this year was better than very good. They are probably one of the top 5 defenses to ever play in the Big XII; yes, that good.

They remind me a lot of that Bama defense that beat Tech a few year's back during Brody Croyle's last season there. There were games where Bama wouldn't even score a touchdown and still win because they had that much talent and experience on the defensive side of the ball.

[cas]

gpatty would be great here at EMAW-U, but that's just one man's look at things.

[michigancat]

So you're a Venzy disciple? 

I think Patterson would be a good hire after Snyder leaves; I just don't think he's going to walk in here and win the North every year like some of our fans are assuming he would.

Anyone assuming anyone will walk in here and win the North every year is an idiot.  I haven't seen anyone assume that about any coach.

IMO if Patterson was our coach this year, with the talent we had on both sides of the ball, our defense would've been comparable, maybe slightly better, to what we saw this year. Our offense would've been near the bottom of the NCAA, however.

That's possibly true (how you came to that conclusion, I have no idea), but it's a dumb reason to discount Patterson.  For one, he isn't a band-aid hire, which would instantly make his recruiting better than Snyder's.

[WildCatzPhreak]

gtfo my face thread.

[JTKSU]

So you're a Venzy disciple? 

I think Patterson would be a good hire after Snyder leaves; I just don't think he's going to walk in here and win the North every year like some of our fans are assuming he would.

Anyone assuming anyone will walk in here and win the North every year is an idiot.  I haven't seen anyone assume that about any coach.

IMO if Patterson was our coach this year, with the talent we had on both sides of the ball, our defense would've been comparable, maybe slightly better, to what we saw this year. Our offense would've been near the bottom of the NCAA, however.

That's possibly true (how you came to that conclusion, I have no idea), but it's a dumb reason to discount Patterson.  For one, he isn't a band-aid hire, which would instantly make his recruiting better than Snyder's.

tcu is currently ranked #43 in the Rivals ratings, KSU is #57.  You would to think that a 1 loss, BCS bowl season vs. a 6 loss, no bowl season would mean more than 14 spots in the rankings...