Gill

[kougar24]

3ish. Gill is like a SLTH-y version of Prince. We'll call him Turner Wooldridge. Would probably be a 2, but his focus on recruiting on the press conference bumped it up.

"We'll stop recruiting when the Waffle House closes."

- Turner Prince

[catdude33]

Has a coach 10 games under .500 in his only HC job ever been promoted like this before?  It seems unprecedented.

[flaredog]

Last 3 D1 stops for Torbush has the fan base for each school  for, and subsequently    with his departure.

No one quite understands how he got the job at Miss State.

While he was there, he pwned Jesus himself.

[BMWJhawk]

Last 3 D1 stops for Torbush has the fan base for each school  for, and subsequently    with his departure.

No one quite understands how he got the job at Miss State.

It's hard not to like a guy who was the d-coordinator for Mack Brown.

[steve dave]

Has a coach 10 games under .500 in his only HC job ever been promoted like this before?  It seems unprecedented.

Yeah, when you fail to have success in the MAC and get a B12 job it is very strange.

[cireksu]

The winner in this is Auburn because now they don't look so stupid for hiring Chizik

[flaredog]

Has a coach 10 games under .500 in his only HC job ever been promoted like this before?  It seems unprecedented.

Yeah, when you fail to have success in the MAC and get a B12 job it is very strange.

I bet you wanted to get rid of Snyder after four years too.

[steve dave]

Has a coach 10 games under .500 in his only HC job ever been promoted like this before?  It seems unprecedented.

Yeah, when you fail to have success in the MAC and get a B12 job it is very strange.

I bet you wanted to get rid of Snyder after four years too.

Frank Solich has had much more success in the MAC.  You should have hired him (or any one of a million more qualified coaches)

[flaredog]

Has a coach 10 games under .500 in his only HC job ever been promoted like this before?  It seems unprecedented.

Yeah, when you fail to have success in the MAC and get a B12 job it is very strange.

I bet you wanted to get rid of Snyder after four years too.

Frank Solich has had much more success in the MAC.  You should have hired him (or any one of a million more qualified coaches)

Gill has been a head coach for four years. In two of those four (that's 50 percent for you Steve Dave), he was named MAC Coach of the Year by the coaches.

Three of his four seasons rank are the top three seasons Buffalo has had since joining D1A.

Apparently he did something right.

So were you, like, really embarrassed when you tried to get Snyder fired and then he turned around and won a bunch of games?

[steve dave]

Has a coach 10 games under .500 in his only HC job ever been promoted like this before?  It seems unprecedented.

Yeah, when you fail to have success in the MAC and get a B12 job it is very strange.

I bet you wanted to get rid of Snyder after four years too.

Frank Solich has had much more success in the MAC.  You should have hired him (or any one of a million more qualified coaches)

Gill has been a head coach for four years. In two of those four (that's 50 percent for you Steve Dave), he was named MAC Coach of the Year by the coaches.

Three of his four seasons rank are the top three seasons Buffalo has had since joining D1A.

Apparently he did something right.

So were you, like, really embarrassed when you tried to get Snyder fired and then he turned around and won a bunch of games?

I was, like, 7 when Snyder first started coaching so I don't think I had enough pull to get him fired. 

[willie]

Has a coach 10 games under .500 in his only HC job ever been promoted like this before?  It seems unprecedented.

Yeah, when you fail to have success in the MAC and get a B12 job it is very strange.

I bet you wanted to get rid of Snyder after four years too.

Frank Solich has had much more success in the MAC.  You should have hired him (or any one of a million more qualified coaches)

Gill has been a head coach for four years. In two of those four (that's 50 percent for you Steve Dave), he was named MAC Coach of the Year by the coaches.

Three of his four seasons rank are the top three seasons Buffalo has had since joining D1A.

Apparently he did something right.

So were you, like, really embarrassed when you tried to get Snyder fired and then he turned around and won a bunch of games?

Are you, like, really embarrassed that you ran the best coach you'll ever get out on a rail? 

[catdude33]

Has a coach 10 games under .500 in his only HC job ever been promoted like this before?  It seems unprecedented.

Yeah, when you fail to have success in the MAC and get a B12 job it is very strange.

I bet you wanted to get rid of Snyder after four years too.

Frank Solich has had much more success in the MAC.  You should have hired him (or any one of a million more qualified coaches)

Gill has been a head coach for four years. In two of those four (that's 50 percent for you Steve Dave), he was named MAC Coach of the Year by the coaches.

Three of his four seasons rank are the top three seasons Buffalo has had since joining D1A.

Apparently he did something right.

So were you, like, really embarrassed when you tried to get Snyder fired and then he turned around and won a bunch of games?

Why are idiots comparing this situation to Snyder?  No one hired Snyder after his first four bad/mediocre seasons at K-State.  And certainly no big time program that would have been seen as a huge promotion for him.  And why would they have?  He hadn't proven anything yet; he hadn't turned the corner.  Just like Gill hadn't done anything yet at Buffalo.  Maybe he would have, just like Snyder, or maybe he would have kept backpedaling like he did last year.  Usually programs wait to hire someone like Turner Gill until they have actually turned the corner.  The comparisons to Snyder are ridiculous and they don't even make sense.

[flaredog]

Has a coach 10 games under .500 in his only HC job ever been promoted like this before?  It seems unprecedented.

Yeah, when you fail to have success in the MAC and get a B12 job it is very strange.

I bet you wanted to get rid of Snyder after four years too.

Frank Solich has had much more success in the MAC.  You should have hired him (or any one of a million more qualified coaches)

Gill has been a head coach for four years. In two of those four (that's 50 percent for you Steve Dave), he was named MAC Coach of the Year by the coaches.

Three of his four seasons rank are the top three seasons Buffalo has had since joining D1A.

Apparently he did something right.

So were you, like, really embarrassed when you tried to get Snyder fired and then he turned around and won a bunch of games?

Why are idiots comparing this situation to Snyder?  No one hired Snyder after his first four bad/mediocre seasons at K-State.  And certainly no big time program that would have been seen as a huge promotion for him.  And why would they have?  He hadn't proven anything yet; he hadn't turned the corner.  Just like Gill hadn't done anything yet at Buffalo.  Maybe he would have, just like Snyder, or maybe he would have kept backpedaling like he did last year.  Usually programs wait to hire someone like Turner Gill until they have actually turned the corner.  The comparisons to Snyder are ridiculous and they don't even make sense.

Their records are comparable, and both walked into absolutely terrible situations. K-State was the worst program in D1A when Snyder inherited it. When K-State got better, Buffalo became that program. Did you know that last year, when Buffalo won five games, it was tied for their second-highest total since they joined D1A? He tied for the lead in his division in his second season and won a freaking conference title in year three. It's not like he's been totally terrible there.

And wouldn't you agree that it would have been smart for somebody to hire Snyder? If only, say, an OU would have had that sort of foresight after a Switzer left. If OU would have made a hire of Snyder after four years, do you really think you would have scoffed at it? I know I wouldn't have.

[Brock Landers]

Gill's hire is barely a blip on the jealousy radar.  I give it a solid 1.  Now if you guys had landed Harbaugh or Tuberville......

[kougar24]

Anyone else find it funny when ku fans talk about Buffalo "since they joined D-1A" that they act like that was in 1939 or something?

Not a real big sample size there, folks.

[cireksu]

Guys that have success in BCS after Mid Major usually dominated their mid major confrence.

not worried about gill being world beater.  Especially with his OC/DC hires.  My non messageboard ku friends are pretty meh.

[catdude33]

Has a coach 10 games under .500 in his only HC job ever been promoted like this before?  It seems unprecedented.

Yeah, when you fail to have success in the MAC and get a B12 job it is very strange.

I bet you wanted to get rid of Snyder after four years too.

Frank Solich has had much more success in the MAC.  You should have hired him (or any one of a million more qualified coaches)

Gill has been a head coach for four years. In two of those four (that's 50 percent for you Steve Dave), he was named MAC Coach of the Year by the coaches.

Three of his four seasons rank are the top three seasons Buffalo has had since joining D1A.

Apparently he did something right.

So were you, like, really embarrassed when you tried to get Snyder fired and then he turned around and won a bunch of games?

Why are idiots comparing this situation to Snyder?  No one hired Snyder after his first four bad/mediocre seasons at K-State.  And certainly no big time program that would have been seen as a huge promotion for him.  And why would they have?  He hadn't proven anything yet; he hadn't turned the corner.  Just like Gill hadn't done anything yet at Buffalo.  Maybe he would have, just like Snyder, or maybe he would have kept backpedaling like he did last year.  Usually programs wait to hire someone like Turner Gill until they have actually turned the corner.  The comparisons to Snyder are ridiculous and they don't even make sense.

Their records are comparable, and both walked into absolutely terrible situations. K-State was the worst program in D1A when Snyder inherited it. When K-State got better, Buffalo became that program. Did you know that last year, when Buffalo won five games, it was tied for their second-highest total since they joined D1A? He tied for the lead in his division in his second season and won a freaking conference title in year three. It's not like he's been totally terrible there.

And wouldn't you agree that it would have been smart for somebody to hire Snyder? If only, say, an OU would have had that sort of foresight after a Switzer left. If OU would have made a hire of Snyder after four years, do you really think you would have scoffed at it? I know I wouldn't have.

For every coach who has 4 mediocre years and then goes on to establish a great program, there are 20 coaches who have 4 mediocre years and then go on to have 4 more mediocre years and lose their job.  To compare Gill to Snyder because his first four years were mediocre is ridiculous.

[HubrisVonWhiskers]

Anyone else watch local kc news last night? 
The players were all excited about this "personal relationship" thing he's gonna do.

 

[ksu_FAN]

Their records are comparable, and both walked into absolutely terrible situations. K-State was the worst program in D1A when Snyder inherited it. When K-State got better, Buffalo became that program. Did you know that last year, when Buffalo won five games, it was tied for their second-highest total since they joined D1A? He tied for the lead in his division in his second season and won a freaking conference title in year three. It's not like he's been totally terrible there.

Yes, clearly the best of the modern MAC, like Ball State last year, compare pretty favorably to Oklahoma, Colorado, and Nebraska in the early 90s.  Winning games in the modern MAC compared to the Big 8 in those days is nearly identical.

[FHSU92]

Last 3 D1 stops for Torbush has the fan base for each school  for, and subsequently    with his departure.

No one quite understands how he got the job at Miss State.

It's hard not to like a guy who was the d-coordinator for Mack Brown.

WOW, not if you're an aTm fan, just sayin'

[Bookcat]

Has a coach 10 games under .500 in his only HC job ever been promoted like this before?  It seems unprecedented.

Yeah, when you fail to have success in the MAC and get a B12 job it is very strange.

I bet you wanted to get rid of Snyder after four years too.

lets see '89-'92....

we had beaten ku, MU, and ISU. '91 was a good year...worthy of breathing room for '92. Lost alot of close games that season....

In his fifth year...'93 we won the Copper Bowl and a 9 wins season... First bowl win in school history. First 9 win season in school history.

[ksu_FAN]

I suppose some people might have higher expectations if your head coach was coming from the MAC.  I mean, if my next head coach was coming from the MAC and had 1 win over a team that finished better than .500, I might have some questions.  But of course, this was just like coming to the Big 8 in the 90s.  Its tough to win there.

[flaredog]

Anyone else find it funny when ku fans talk about Buffalo "since they joined D-1A" that they act like that was in 1939 or something?

Not a real big sample size there, folks.

Well, you can't really compare to when they weren't in D1A because it's totally different. Still, IIRC, their top season in any division was an eight-win year in the 90s. So Gill matched their top overall win total (despite the fact that he was in D1A) in his third year. His last two years, he won more games (13) than Buffalo won in the seven years before he became HC.

You can't say he didn't improve that program. Shoot, he had more winning seasons in conference play in four years than Mangino did in eight.

The Snyder point is relevant. Not because it shows Gill's future line of success, but because it shows what boobs you guys are all being. If anybody, anybody should understand that you need to look at the early record after taking over a bad job with a sense of perspective, it should be you guys.

But hey, if you want to go the LFBIQ route, and pretend 20-30 is just 20-30, that's fine too.

[kougar24]

Anyone else find it funny when ku fans talk about Buffalo "since they joined D-1A" that they act like that was in 1939 or something?

Not a real big sample size there, folks.

Well, you can't really compare to when they weren't in D1A because it's totally different. Still, IIRC, their top season in any division was an eight-win year in the 90s. So Gill matched their top overall win total (despite the fact that he was in D1A) in his third year. His last two years, he won more games (13) than Buffalo won in the seven years before he became HC.

You can't say he didn't improve that program. Shoot, he had more winning seasons in conference play in four years than Mangino did in eight.

The Snyder point is relevant. Not because it shows Gill's future line of success, but because it shows what boobs you guys are all being. If anybody, anybody should understand that you need to look at the early record after taking over a bad job with a sense of perspective, it should be you guys.

But hey, if you want to go the LFBIQ route, and pretend 20-30 is just 20-30, that's fine too.

Big 8, MAC, Big 8....MAC....

[flaredog]

Anyone else find it funny when ku fans talk about Buffalo "since they joined D-1A" that they act like that was in 1939 or something?

Not a real big sample size there, folks.

Well, you can't really compare to when they weren't in D1A because it's totally different. Still, IIRC, their top season in any division was an eight-win year in the 90s. So Gill matched their top overall win total (despite the fact that he was in D1A) in his third year. His last two years, he won more games (13) than Buffalo won in the seven years before he became HC.

You can't say he didn't improve that program. Shoot, he had more winning seasons in conference play in four years than Mangino did in eight.

The Snyder point is relevant. Not because it shows Gill's future line of success, but because it shows what boobs you guys are all being. If anybody, anybody should understand that you need to look at the early record after taking over a bad job with a sense of perspective, it should be you guys.

But hey, if you want to go the LFBIQ route, and pretend 20-30 is just 20-30, that's fine too.

Big 8, MAC, Big 8....MAC....

Is that really that relevant? It's not like Snyder beat one of the top Big Eight teams in his first four years, and teams like MU, ku and Iowa State, for all intents and purposes, were MAC teams when he started.

[steve dave]

Anyone else find it funny when ku fans talk about Buffalo "since they joined D-1A" that they act like that was in 1939 or something?

Not a real big sample size there, folks.

Well, you can't really compare to when they weren't in D1A because it's totally different. Still, IIRC, their top season in any division was an eight-win year in the 90s. So Gill matched their top overall win total (despite the fact that he was in D1A) in his third year. His last two years, he won more games (13) than Buffalo won in the seven years before he became HC.

You can't say he didn't improve that program. Shoot, he had more winning seasons in conference play in four years than Mangino did in eight.

The Snyder point is relevant. Not because it shows Gill's future line of success, but because it shows what boobs you guys are all being. If anybody, anybody should understand that you need to look at the early record after taking over a bad job with a sense of perspective, it should be you guys.

But hey, if you want to go the LFBIQ route, and pretend 20-30 is just 20-30, that's fine too.

Big 8, MAC, Big 8....MAC....

Is that really that relevant? It's not like Snyder beat one of the top Big Eight teams in his first four years, and teams like MU, ku and Iowa State, for all intents and purposes, were MAC teams when he started.

Congrats on starting to follow football 3 years ago bro!  It's really a great sport.  You're going to love it.

[kougar24]

Anyone else find it funny when ku fans talk about Buffalo "since they joined D-1A" that they act like that was in 1939 or something?

Not a real big sample size there, folks.

Well, you can't really compare to when they weren't in D1A because it's totally different. Still, IIRC, their top season in any division was an eight-win year in the 90s. So Gill matched their top overall win total (despite the fact that he was in D1A) in his third year. His last two years, he won more games (13) than Buffalo won in the seven years before he became HC.

You can't say he didn't improve that program. Shoot, he had more winning seasons in conference play in four years than Mangino did in eight.

The Snyder point is relevant. Not because it shows Gill's future line of success, but because it shows what boobs you guys are all being. If anybody, anybody should understand that you need to look at the early record after taking over a bad job with a sense of perspective, it should be you guys.

But hey, if you want to go the LFBIQ route, and pretend 20-30 is just 20-30, that's fine too.

Big 8, MAC, Big 8....MAC....

Is that really that relevant? It's not like Snyder beat one of the top Big Eight teams in his first four years, and teams like MU, ku and Iowa State, for all intents and purposes, were MAC teams when he started.

This is why your analogy fails, friend.

[flaredog]

Anyone else find it funny when ku fans talk about Buffalo "since they joined D-1A" that they act like that was in 1939 or something?

Not a real big sample size there, folks.

Well, you can't really compare to when they weren't in D1A because it's totally different. Still, IIRC, their top season in any division was an eight-win year in the 90s. So Gill matched their top overall win total (despite the fact that he was in D1A) in his third year. His last two years, he won more games (13) than Buffalo won in the seven years before he became HC.

You can't say he didn't improve that program. Shoot, he had more winning seasons in conference play in four years than Mangino did in eight.

The Snyder point is relevant. Not because it shows Gill's future line of success, but because it shows what boobs you guys are all being. If anybody, anybody should understand that you need to look at the early record after taking over a bad job with a sense of perspective, it should be you guys.

But hey, if you want to go the LFBIQ route, and pretend 20-30 is just 20-30, that's fine too.

Big 8, MAC, Big 8....MAC....

Is that really that relevant? It's not like Snyder beat one of the top Big Eight teams in his first four years, and teams like MU, ku and Iowa State, for all intents and purposes, were MAC teams when he started.

Congrats on starting to follow football 3 years ago bro!  It's really a great sport.  You're going to love it.

Coming from you, this is hilarious, Mr. "I was seven when Snyder came along."

ku lost to Kent State, yes, a MAC school, shortly before Snyder/Mason came along. Missouri and Iowa State were also not very good.

But again, none of that detracts from the point that "If anybody, anybody should understand that you need to look at the early record after taking over a bad job with a sense of perspective, it should be you guys."

It's like the K-State fans who say that another school can't be successful in football. If anybody should realize that any crap school can become decent at football, it should be you guys.

[ksu_FAN]

Seriously, stick with another talking point for Gill other than his stellar record rebuilding Buffalo.  Recruiting or building a staff may be believable.

But come on; 20 wins, 1 a magical win over Ball St, then 2 wins over .500 teams and after that 17 wins over teams that finished below .500.  In the MAC.

[cireksu]

I suppose some people might have higher expectations if your head coach was coming from the MAC.  I mean, if my next head coach was coming from the MAC and had 1 win over a team that finished better than .500, I might have some questions.  But of course, this was just like coming to the Big 8 in the 90s.  Its tough to win there.

god damn it.  Does this hire mean phog's new talking point is that the MAC is now tougher to win in than early 90's big 8 was?