2009 ku football: Season of Fail

[sonofdaxjones]

2007 12-1/7-1

2009  5-7/1-7

The fastest crash and burn in Big 12 Conference History.

History Awaits . . . they never knew how true that was as ku falls to 42 games below .500 in Big 12 Conference Play.

[Catfanatic]

ku is back where they belong in the cellar at 1-7. 1930 last outright conference championship in football

[Pett]

The last two seasons (with Reesing, Sharp, Meier, Briscoe, & Stuckey), how do you go 13-12 overall?

[The42Yardstick]

The last two seasons (with Reesing, Meier, Briscoe, Sharp, & Stuckey), how do you go 13-12 overall?

Catastrophically bad coaching may have something to do with it.

[wiley03]

The last two seasons (with Reesing, Meier, Briscoe, Sharp, & Stuckey), how do you go 13-12 overall?

By saying "we've got all our play makers back" when you are losing your oline and 3 multi-year starters at LB.

[FelixRex]

The last two seasons (with Reesing, Meier, Briscoe, Sharp, & Stuckey), how do you go 13-12 overall?

By saying "we've got all our play makers back" when you are losing your oline and 3 multi-year starters at LB.

Our defense will be better after losing Talib, McClinton and our Defensive Coordinator.

I especially love the ku fans who somehow think they're gonna be better next year after losing Reesing, Meier, Briscoe, Sharp, Stuckey and Mangino.

We have a favorable schedule.

[JTKSU]

The last two seasons (with Reesing, Meier, Briscoe, Sharp, & Stuckey), how do you go 13-12 overall?

Catastrophically bad coaching may have something to do with it.

You guys sure thought he was the cat's pajamas a couple of years ago.  Amazingly low FBIQ from almost every uk "football fan."

[The42Yardstick]

The last two seasons (with Reesing, Meier, Briscoe, Sharp, & Stuckey), how do you go 13-12 overall?

Catastrophically bad coaching may have something to do with it.

You guys sure thought he was the cat's pajamas a couple of years ago.  Amazingly low FBIQ from almost every uk "football fan."

Pft. Dude had won the f*cking Orange Bowl. Of course most of us thought he was a good coach. I know you're trolling here tho so it's all good

I think the problem is that Mangino's coordinators are inept and he's too loyal to them. Warinner is just a mindf*ck in his playcalling, and I'm still trying to get my head around exactly wtf his problem is. He would make some strange calls at times in 07 and 08, but I never got that "asleep at the wheel" feeling that I got in 2009. The last offensive possession against MU this year I think should cost him his job. I'm still flabbergasted how anyone at the D-1 level could be that reckless with his team's fate.

I don't know how many times we had to burn timeouts as well because the coaches never got the play in on time...our system of looking to the sideline that worked so well in 07 was one of the reasons that we were so awful in 2009. Reesing would never have time to audible out of the inevitable Opurum option to the outside or the 1-2 yard Sharp run up the middle. Then, Warinner finally realizes that "OH HEY maybe running Opurum up the middle works" against UT and then he gets injured.

Bowen clearly is not the man for the DC job. Mangino f*cking about with the 4-2-5 completely castrated our ability to defend the run whatsoever, as our guys were ALWAYS out of position against the run. I know that we lost some good talent at LB, but frankly all they've done is sat around picking their noses in the middle of the defense all year. The 4-2-5 was an absolute failure, and I blame that on the big man. However, on Bowen's part the defense has had bad tackling and bad....fundamentals (I hate using that term) since he has gotten here, and while some of it has to do with our players' lack of ability there have been a number of mistakes this year that should have been avoided. Bowen also seems to be completely averse to the idea of making adjustments at halftime.

Matsakis has just been an utter pile of FAIL on special teams the whole time. His brother ran Texas State into the ground and got fired in one year, so I think that failure just runs in that family.

This all ultimately falls on Mangino as I said earlier. When you have incompetent coordinators, you don't just stubbornly "do as you do" or whatever bullcrap he pumped out in his postgame conference. You either tell them to get their sh*t together or make them GTFO. I think this is what cost him ultimately, not the player abuse thing. He just didn't push his staff enough.

[JTKSU]

Dude, Mangino threatened to send a player to go get shot with his homies.  I seriously doubt he was all peaches and cream with his assistants.

[LimestoneOutcropping]

As much as ku fans hate to admit it, they have inferior talent.  Top to bottom, at every position.  2 deep.  BAD, small, weak and slow.

[The42Yardstick]

As much as ku fans hate to admit it, they have inferior talent.  Top to bottom, at every position.  2 deep.  BAD, small, weak and slow.

On defense, this is absolutely the case. Stuckey has good instincts but he gets burned by top-end receivers because he's slow. Laptad occasionally feasts on really bad o-lines. But that's about it.

On offense, we have some players (note: some, not many) who are serviceable whenever the coaches don't f*ck them over with idiotic playcalling. Those players are Opurum before he got injured, Reesing (minus groin injury which immediately turned his throws into flying projectiles of AIDS), and Meier. Briscoe can only be considered somewhat adequate because he loses the ball all the f*cking time. When you're coughing it up a ton against MU, that's just unforgivable. The o-line is only good enough to look respectable against the bottom half of the conference...at times...provided Reesing isn't cropdusting the field with groin AIDS.

But it's always been this way. Does this signal a regression to the mean? Possibly, but in a year where the Big 12 is the worst it's ever been outside of UT this really tells me that the coaching staff just completely dropped the ball.

Alright, I'm going to bed. Congrats on going 6-6, k-staters. Maybe I can grab a beer with some of you when I visit Manhattan in a few months for a campus tour.

[cas]

^^^

YARDSTICK TO KSU?!?

[QuinnMac]

^^^

YARDSTICK TO KSU?!?

meh, would rather have Tate

[LimestoneOutcropping]

As much as ku fans hate to admit it, they have inferior talent.  Top to bottom, at every position.  2 deep.  BAD, small, weak and slow.

On defense, this is absolutely the case. Stuckey has good instincts but he gets burned by top-end receivers because he's slow. Laptad occasionally feasts on really bad o-lines. But that's about it.

On offense, we have some players (note: some, not many) who are serviceable whenever the coaches don't f*ck them over with idiotic playcalling. Those players are Opurum before he got injured, Reesing (minus groin injury which immediately turned his throws into flying projectiles of AIDS), and Meier. Briscoe can only be considered somewhat adequate because he loses the ball all the f*cking time. When you're coughing it up a ton against MU, that's just unforgivable. The o-line is only good enough to look respectable against the bottom half of the conference...at times...provided Reesing isn't cropdusting the field with groin AIDS.

But it's always been this way. Does this signal a regression to the mean? Possibly, but in a year where the Big 12 is the worst it's ever been outside of UT this really tells me that the coaching staff just completely dropped the ball.

Alright, I'm going to bed. Congrats on going 6-6, k-staters. Maybe I can grab a beer with some of you when I visit Manhattan in a few months for a campus tour.

Oporum sucks bro.  Slow as pond water.

Mangino is as good a coach as wille ever work at ku.  So when you blame coaching, you are saying your best ever wasn't good enough.

[cireksu]

yeah, lew fracked this up for ku so bad.  And warriner has been destroying big 12 defenses for 4 years.

[Ghost of Stan Parrish]

ku talent = KSU talent.  Before the season, I said ku had better talent, but having a stud talent like Thomas show up at RB equalized the equation almost single-handedly.

Also, Mangino was never a great coach.  I said that in 2007 and I'm saying it now.  The whole 2007 season was based on an absolutely silly schedule (capped by a ruthless AD buying the team an Orange Bowl bid).  Not a recipe that could be repeated year-after-year.

I was looking in the archives for something else and found this post I made after the Orange Bowl.  I like it:

ku finished with 1 loss this year, just like KSU did in 1997 when it won the Fiesta Bowl.  That year KSU also went 2-1 against ranked teams, just like ku did this year.  KSU started the 1997 season ranked #21, so out of the national picture, similar to ku this year.  Congrats, you just had a year similar to KSU's 1997 season.

Now, all ku has to do is follow it up with 11-win seasons in 5 of the next 6 years and you will have had something like the run KSU had.  Good luck on that, but I'm predicting an 8-4 season at best for ku next year.  (That'd be losses to MU, OU, UT, TT, and maybe at USF or NU.  Not unlikely at all.)

[LimestoneOutcropping]

ku talent = KSU talent.  Before the season, I said ku had better talent, but having a stud talent like Thomas show up at RB equalized the equation almost single-handedly.

Also, Mangino was never a good coach.  I said that in 2007 and I'm saying it now.  The whole 2007 season was based on an absolutely silly schedule (capped by a ruthless AD buying the team an Orange Bowl bid).  Not a recipe that could be repeated year-after-year.

I was looking in the archives for something else and found this post I made after the Orange Bowl.  I like it:

ku finished with 1 loss this year, just like KSU did in 1997 when it won the Fiesta Bowl.  That year KSU also went 2-1 against ranked teams, just like ku did this year.  KSU started the 1997 season ranked #21, so out of the national picture, similar to ku this year.  Congrats, you just had a year similar to KSU's 1997 season.

Now, all ku has to do is follow it up with 11-win seasons in 5 of the next 6 years and you will have had something like the run KSU had.  Good luck on that, but I'm predicting an 8-4 season at best for ku next year.  (That'd be losses to MU, OU, UT, TT, and maybe at USF or NU.  Not unlikely at all.)

I just feel like it is piling on at this point.  Garbage program is proven to be garbage.  And all our ku poster friends ran away like bandwagons.  Except 42yard.

[The42Yardstick]

Oporum sucks bro.  Slow as pond water.

Yeah well you may be fast but Opurum can knock ya over!



Seriously, if the coaches hadn't been snorting the highest quality of cocaine, they would have realized that he could have been a more athletic Brandon McAnderson. Jake Sharp up the middle was completely useless, and yet we kept doing it anyway. Hell, Rell Lewis worked better up the middle than Jake Sharp.

As for the Mangino thing, yeah he may be one of the best coaches in Kansas history. However, that's not saying much. 23-41 in B12 play, especially when you consider how weak the Big 12 was this year and how weak the North has been since...ever...that's not gonna cut it. I appreciate the big man for what he did, which was make us a more attractive job than Baylor and Iowa State and put us in position to compete with KSU, MU, zombie A&M, OSU, CU, and zombie NU. However, he couldn't even scratch UT minus the Freeman Johns clusterf*ck (still angry ) and he never once got close to touching OU...not even in their worst year since the John Blake days. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for more than that after 8 years, even if the first 2 or so were due to the Allen Hangover Effect.

This isn't firing a 9-3 Frank Solich. This is firing a coach who regressed for two straight years and utterly faceplanted in one of the Big 12's worst years in its history. This is firing a coach who has not adequately handled the process of dealing with his coordinators and has been known to be overly loyal to "his" players and keep more talented players in the doghouse because of some unintelligible slight. It's also firing a coach that threw out Todd Reesing into the fire with a (terribly) concealed groin injury, even when he was an active detriment to our team. Even if you take out the whole PR disaster that is the player abuse saga, it's obvious that Mangino has hit his plateau in Lawrence and his methods will not get us better than 7-5 or 6-6 every year, the occasional star-aligning 12-1 or 9-3 record aside. I know that our history isn't much better than KSU's pre-Snyder, but I'll be damned if I settle for 7-5 and 6-6 every year. If I wanted that, I'd punt Lew to the curb, take over the AD job and hire Al Groh.

And yeah, I might go to KSU for grad school. Then again, I might pull a Chris Harper and go to Oregon. Fitz keeps calling me about it, can somebody tell him that just because I'm built like an o-lineman it doesn't mean I am one? TIA

[Skydog]

Oporum sucks bro.  Slow as pond water.

Yeah well you may be fast but Opurum can knock ya over!



Seriously, if the coaches hadn't been snorting the highest quality of cocaine, they would have realized that he could have been a more athletic Brandon McAnderson. Jake Sharp up the middle was completely useless, and yet we kept doing it anyway. Hell, Rell Lewis worked better up the middle than Jake Sharp.

As for the Mangino thing, yeah he may be one of the best coaches in Kansas history. However, that's not saying much. 23-41 in B12 play, especially when you consider how weak the Big 12 was this year and how weak the North has been since...ever...that's not gonna cut it. I appreciate the big man for what he did, which was make us a more attractive job than Baylor and Iowa State and put us in position to compete with KSU, MU, zombie A&M, OSU, CU, and zombie NU. However, he couldn't even scratch UT minus the Freeman Johns clusterf*ck (still angry ) and he never once got close to touching OU...not even in their worst year since the John Blake days. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for more than that after 8 years, even if the first 2 or so were due to the Allen Hangover Effect.

This isn't firing a 9-3 Frank Solich. This is firing a coach who regressed for two straight years and utterly faceplanted in one of the Big 12's worst years in its history. This is firing a coach who has not adequately handled the process of dealing with his coordinators and has been known to be overly loyal to "his" players and keep more talented players in the doghouse because of some unintelligible slight. It's also firing a coach that threw out Todd Reesing into the fire with a (terribly) concealed groin injury, even when he was an active detriment to our team. Even if you take out the whole PR disaster that is the player abuse saga, it's obvious that Mangino has hit his plateau in Lawrence and his methods will not get us better than 7-5 or 6-6 every year, the occasional star-aligning 12-1 or 9-3 record aside. I know that our history isn't much better than KSU's pre-Snyder, but I'll be damned if I settle for 7-5 and 6-6 every year. If I wanted that, I'd punt Lew to the curb, take over the AD job and hire Al Groh.

And yeah, I might go to KSU for grad school. Then again, I might pull a Chris Harper and go to Oregon. Fitz keeps calling me about it, can somebody tell him that just because I'm built like an o-lineman it doesn't mean I am one? TIA

 

[flaredog]

As much as ku fans hate to admit it, they have inferior talent.  Top to bottom, at every position.  2 deep.  BAD, small, weak and slow.

On defense, this is absolutely the case. Stuckey has good instincts but he gets burned by top-end receivers because he's slow. Laptad occasionally feasts on really bad o-lines. But that's about it.

On offense, we have some players (note: some, not many) who are serviceable whenever the coaches don't f*ck them over with idiotic playcalling. Those players are Opurum before he got injured, Reesing (minus groin injury which immediately turned his throws into flying projectiles of AIDS), and Meier. Briscoe can only be considered somewhat adequate because he loses the ball all the f*cking time. When you're coughing it up a ton against MU, that's just unforgivable. The o-line is only good enough to look respectable against the bottom half of the conference...at times...provided Reesing isn't cropdusting the field with groin AIDS.

But it's always been this way. Does this signal a regression to the mean? Possibly, but in a year where the Big 12 is the worst it's ever been outside of UT this really tells me that the coaching staff just completely dropped the ball.

Alright, I'm going to bed. Congrats on going 6-6, k-staters. Maybe I can grab a beer with some of you when I visit Manhattan in a few months for a campus tour.

Oporum sucks bro.  Slow as pond water.

Mangino is as good a coach as wille ever work at ku.  So when you blame coaching, you are saying your best ever wasn't good enough.

McAnderson was slower. ku's center in the early Mangino era, Joe Vaughn, put up better 40 times than McAnderson, an 1,100-yard back.

[powercat5000]

What has hurt ku the most IMO is losing Bill Young.  Defense wins championships

[yoga-lika_abana]

From top to bottom ku had one of the best coaching staffs ever assembled in the Big XII, how those players managed to screw up perfectly good schemes week in and week out is beyond me.

[Dub]

Actually, losing Joe Bob was what finally did ku in this year.