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November 22, 2009, 03:24:49 PM
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I take it back.   Screw it I'm Emawtional.  Sorry man. 



dude it's fine. I've alienated like, 30 people here tonight.

Not me. I like you even more now.

November 22, 2009, 03:47:07 PM
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Won't be sorry to never see Gregory, Valentine, or Banks play again.  Or Houlik or Pomele.  God bless them for getting an opportunity to play Division I football instead of NAIA division 3, but they're just not cut out for it.

They were more cut out for it than you or I were I guess (excuse me for assuming you were never a D1 starting football player in the Big XII) ... I'm just a mere fan. Every football player that passes, catches, carries, or returns a football will fumble the football at some point. It's too bad that KV's career will be defined by one; he doesn't deserve it. Despite being over-matched he proved to be the second most reliable running back on this team.

To be melt-down in this fashion and hating on the players is pretty bush-league imo. I guess I'm not sure how you're expectations got so warped in the first place. All in all, this season was a lot more fun than I EVER expected.




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Guess I don't understand this post.  We're not allowed to point out, unless we played the game ourselves, that K-State football will only improve if we get players who are more physically gifted than these guys?

I appreciate the effort all these guys gave.  They certainly did better than I expected them to do this year.   

That being said, they all have at least one major deficiency in their game that has hurt us at least once this year, whether it's lack of height, lack of strength, lack of athleticism, lack of size, or lack of speed.  Bless them for performing as well as they did given their physical limitations, but the fact of the matter is that we will only become a better football team if we replace them with players who have fewer physical limitations.

Heart, effort, and coaching can only get you so far.  If you're 6 inches too short to pull in the pass, or don't have quite enough arm strength to get the throw far enough downfield, or can't run quickly enough to cover the receiver coming across the middle, or aren't big or strong enough to hold on to the ball by the goal line, there's not much you can do to improve except to replace those players with players who can.  Eventually, you've got to be able to make a big play, and what we saw the last couple of weeks was the difficulty in making big plays when there's not much margin for error given physical limitations. 

It's why folks around here harp so much on the question of whether Snyder will be able to recruit better players.  He may be able to coach circles around a Pinkel or a Pelini, but if those guys are lining up with a substantial talent advantage, you're still going to lose most of the time. 

Again, thanks to the players for their hard work.  But we're not going to get better unless we bring in guys with fewer physical limitations.

November 22, 2009, 04:55:47 PM
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I have a class with Keithen at 9:30am tomorrow (Monday) morning.  Our professor is a Nebraska grad and a huge Husker fan.  Prof had a bet going with Keithen for the game: If Nebraska won then Keithen has to sing the Nebraska fight song in front of our class of 100 people... if K-State won then the prof would shave his head.

Nebraska won but Keithen was not expected to factor in the loss like he did. Tomorrow morning is going to be verrrrrry interesting.   :popcorn:

November 22, 2009, 05:24:46 PM
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I have a class with Keithen at 9:30am tomorrow (Monday) morning.  Our professor is a Nebraska grad and a huge Husker fan.  Prof had a bet going with Keithen for the game: If Nebraska won then Keithen has to sing the Nebraska fight song in front of our class of 100 people... if K-State won then the prof would shave his head.

Nebraska won but Keithen was not expected to factor in the loss like he did. Tomorrow morning is going to be verrrrrry interesting.   :popcorn:

prof sounds like a dick for having class 2maro.
It is a tragedy because now, we have at least an extra month without Cat football until next year. I hate wasting my life away but I can hardly wait until next year.

November 22, 2009, 05:34:01 PM
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All the nu fans crowing on this site crack me up, bragging for what? You tell us you beat a crap team last night. Let's face it the big 12 north has been pretty much a joke since 2003. nu has been a lot better than us in that time frame but they have not been a factor in the mnc hunt since 1999.
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November 22, 2009, 08:45:00 PM
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Thank god his football career is over. For EVERYBODY's sake....

Ok i can't call you a k-state fan if your mad at Valentine. The nebraska player put his helmet on the ball. It was a great hit. It was just bad luck, and Valentine made a mistake, u cant blame it on him. The Wildcats had tons of chances they just couldn't capitalize on them

That was the perfect hit to jar the ball loose, and Valentine was doing a good job of ball control.  It's just one of those things we'd like to work in our favor, but it didn't.

November 23, 2009, 01:33:48 AM
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Won't be sorry to never see Gregory, Valentine, or Banks play again.  Or Houlik or Pomele.  God bless them for getting an opportunity to play Division I football instead of NAIA division 3, but they're just not cut out for it.

They were more cut out for it than you or I were I guess (excuse me for assuming you were never a D1 starting football player in the Big XII) ... I'm just a mere fan. Every football player that passes, catches, carries, or returns a football will fumble the football at some point. It's too bad that KV's career will be defined by one; he doesn't deserve it. Despite being over-matched he proved to be the second most reliable running back on this team.

To be melt-down in this fashion and hating on the players is pretty bush-league imo. I guess I'm not sure how you're expectations got so warped in the first place. All in all, this season was a lot more fun than I EVER expected.




 :confused:

Guess I don't understand this post.  We're not allowed to point out, unless we played the game ourselves, that K-State football will only improve if we get players who are more physically gifted than these guys?

I appreciate the effort all these guys gave.  They certainly did better than I expected them to do this year.   

That being said, they all have at least one major deficiency in their game that has hurt us at least once this year, whether it's lack of height, lack of strength, lack of athleticism, lack of size, or lack of speed.  Bless them for performing as well as they did given their physical limitations, but the fact of the matter is that we will only become a better football team if we replace them with players who have fewer physical limitations.

Heart, effort, and coaching can only get you so far.  If you're 6 inches too short to pull in the pass, or don't have quite enough arm strength to get the throw far enough downfield, or can't run quickly enough to cover the receiver coming across the middle, or aren't big or strong enough to hold on to the ball by the goal line, there's not much you can do to improve except to replace those players with players who can.  Eventually, you've got to be able to make a big play, and what we saw the last couple of weeks was the difficulty in making big plays when there's not much margin for error given physical limitations. 

It's why folks around here harp so much on the question of whether Snyder will be able to recruit better players.  He may be able to coach circles around a Pinkel or a Pelini, but if those guys are lining up with a substantial talent advantage, you're still going to lose most of the time. 

Again, thanks to the players for their hard work.  But we're not going to get better unless we bring in guys with fewer physical limitations.


You're allowed to post whatever you want... And I'm allowed to tell you that you're post makes you sound like a schmuck who is talking out his ass.


Won't be sorry to never see Gregory, Valentine, or Banks play again.  Or Houlik or Pomele.  God bless them for getting an opportunity to play Division I football instead of NAIA division 3, but they're just not cut out for it.

To say Gregory, Valentine, Banks, Houlik and Pomele are "not cut out" for D1 football and it was so far of a stretch that the only explanation was that they were blessed by the almighty is kind of ridiculous. Granted, they were not the best D1 football players we've ever seen, but every one of them, at times, played at a very high level and almost always played above NAIA levels.