Bright spots tonight

[pufizzle]

5 guys have to rebound and defend.  sutton is the best on the team at both.

only 1 guy at a time scores.  and sutton's offensive woes are exaggerated.  he's decent inside 1.5 feet.


i'm stealing this from some random powertard, but he's right - kstate was about even or + when sutton was in the game.  and got destroyed when he was sitting.

FYP

[catdude33]

5 guys have to rebound and defend.  sutton is the best on the team at both.

only 1 guy at a time scores.  and sutton's offensive woes are exaggerated.  he's decent inside 15 feet.


i'm stealing this from some random powertard, but he's right - kstate was about even or + when sutton was in the game.  and got destroyed when he was sitting.

Sys, why is our defense not doing better?  We have the right type of player and a defensive minded coach.  I don't get it.

[ksu_FAN]

5 guys have to rebound and defend.  sutton is the best on the team at both.

only 1 guy at a time scores.  and sutton's offensive woes are exaggerated.  he's decent inside 15 feet.


i'm stealing this from some random powertard, but he's right - kstate was about even or + when sutton was in the game.  and got destroyed when he was sitting.

Sys, why is our defense not doing better?  We have the right type of player and a defensive minded coach.  I don't get it.

Not sys, but part is just plain effort.  We don't seem to be matching the intensity we had last year when we played well.

And part is just working in FR, who most of the time are going to be pretty bad defenders early in their careers unless they are freak athletes.  Plus Kelly plays a lot of minutes, and as sys has pointed out his defense can be lacking at time.  And there is a slight adjustment to funneling the ball to bigs and altering/blocking shots as opposed to funneling the ball to traps and charges like we tended to do last year when playing well.  So far we seem to be relying a bit too much on the blocked shot probably.

[sys]

Sys, why is our defense not doing better?  We have the right type of player and a defensive minded coach.  I don't get it.

yeah, i don't know.  i've never understood martin's defense.  i mean i can see that it works, but i don't really understand it.

agree with _fan that they didn't play very hard.  probably most of the reason why the defense sucked.  maybe a lot of that is not knowing what to do/where to be, don't know.

[catdude33]

5 guys have to rebound and defend.  sutton is the best on the team at both.

only 1 guy at a time scores.  and sutton's offensive woes are exaggerated.  he's decent inside 15 feet.


i'm stealing this from some random powertard, but he's right - kstate was about even or + when sutton was in the game.  and got destroyed when he was sitting.

Sys, why is our defense not doing better?  We have the right type of player and a defensive minded coach.  I don't get it.

So far we seem to be relying a bit too much on the blocked shot probably.

I said that earlier today and you told me I was probably exaggerating the deficiencies in our help defense.  I was right.

[fatty fat fat]

5 guys have to rebound and defend.  sutton is the best on the team at both.

only 1 guy at a time scores.  and sutton's offensive woes are exaggerated.  he's decent inside 15 feet.


i'm stealing this from some random powertard, but he's right - kstate was about even or + when sutton was in the game.  and got destroyed when he was sitting.

Sys, why is our defense not doing better?  We have the right type of player and a defensive minded coach.  I don't get it.

So far we seem to be relying a bit too much on the blocked shot probably.

I said that earlier today and you told me I was probably exaggerating the deficiencies in our help defense.  I was right.

This is exactly why the bball board is painful. People are actually serious about their x's and o's analysis.

On the football board, it's a complete joke and everyone has a laugh about it.

Losers.

[ksu_FAN]

5 guys have to rebound and defend.  sutton is the best on the team at both.

only 1 guy at a time scores.  and sutton's offensive woes are exaggerated.  he's decent inside 15 feet.


i'm stealing this from some random powertard, but he's right - kstate was about even or + when sutton was in the game.  and got destroyed when he was sitting.

Sys, why is our defense not doing better?  We have the right type of player and a defensive minded coach.  I don't get it.

So far we seem to be relying a bit too much on the blocked shot probably.

I said that earlier today and you told me I was probably exaggerating the deficiencies in our help defense.  I was right.

Yeah I did and you probably were.  That method certainly didn't work tonight, Miss probably shot >60% on 2pt shots, we had been holding teams under 30%.

[sys]

This is exactly why the bball board is painful. People are actually serious about their x's and o's analysis.

On the football board, it's a complete joke and everyone has a laugh about it.

bball is a much simpler game than fball.  it isn't that hard to understand.  fball is impenetrable.

[fatty fat fat]

This is exactly why the bball board is painful. People are actually serious about their x's and o's analysis.

On the football board, it's a complete joke and everyone has a laugh about it.

bball is a much simpler game than fball.  it isn't that hard to understand.  fball is impenetrable.

which is why ftball is much more enjoyable. the talk is much more simpler and big picture.

serious x's and o's talk is just painful and loserish on every level. it always ends up with everyone trying to convince everyone else who is right about why our team sucks.

[ksu_FAN]

This is exactly why the bball board is painful. People are actually serious about their x's and o's analysis.

On the football board, it's a complete joke and everyone has a laugh about it.

bball is a much simpler game than fball.  it isn't that hard to understand.  fball is impenetrable.

bball you can "get" a lot by watching live.  fball to really "get" you've got to go back and watch it on film.  Just too much going on with 22 guys out there, with only 10 usually its manageable.

[chum1]

The experts can explain this difficult concept better than I can, but the Huggins/Martin defense is about outworking your opponent.  It also has a little to do with being able to physically beat the sh*t out of your opponent.  Like it's a fight.  So, the players have to be toughened up before they can pull that off.

[fatty fat fat]

This is exactly why the bball board is painful. People are actually serious about their x's and o's analysis.

On the football board, it's a complete joke and everyone has a laugh about it.

bball is a much simpler game than fball.  it isn't that hard to understand.  fball is impenetrable.

bball you can "get" a lot by watching live.  fball to really "get" you've got to go back and watch it on film.  Just too much going on with 22 guys out there, with only 10 usually its manageable.

either way, it's by far the lamest part of being a sports fan

 (serious x's and o's talk)

[ksu_FAN]

This is exactly why the bball board is painful. People are actually serious about their x's and o's analysis.

On the football board, it's a complete joke and everyone has a laugh about it.

bball is a much simpler game than fball.  it isn't that hard to understand.  fball is impenetrable.

bball you can "get" a lot by watching live.  fball to really "get" you've got to go back and watch it on film.  Just too much going on with 22 guys out there, with only 10 usually its manageable.

either way, it's by far the lamest part of being a sports fan

 (x's and o's talk)

 

[catdude33]

This is exactly why the bball board is painful. People are actually serious about their x's and o's analysis.

On the football board, it's a complete joke and everyone has a laugh about it.

bball is a much simpler game than fball.  it isn't that hard to understand.  fball is impenetrable.

bball you can "get" a lot by watching live.  fball to really "get" you've got to go back and watch it on film.  Just too much going on with 22 guys out there, with only 10 usually its manageable.

either way, it's by far the lamest part of being a sports fan

 (serious x's and o's talk)

Can't wait for the retard football boarders to meltdown after we lose tomorrow.  Maybe if they knew any x's and o's they'd realize it's not going to happen.

[WildCatzPhreak]

Think I like him.

[fatty fat fat]

This is exactly why the bball board is painful. People are actually serious about their x's and o's analysis.

On the football board, it's a complete joke and everyone has a laugh about it.

bball is a much simpler game than fball.  it isn't that hard to understand.  fball is impenetrable.

bball you can "get" a lot by watching live.  fball to really "get" you've got to go back and watch it on film.  Just too much going on with 22 guys out there, with only 10 usually its manageable.

either way, it's by far the lamest part of being a sports fan

 (serious x's and o's talk)

Can't wait for the retard football boarders to meltdown after we lose tomorrow.  Maybe if they knew any x's and o's they'd realize it's not going to happen.

the meltdown will be sarcastic and beautiful. Like always.

No one will scream at each other arguing why their x's and o's analysis is superior to the others.

[chum1]

This isn't really basketall x's and o's talk anyway.  That would be sh*t like, "Sutton needs to cut hard to the baseline so he can set a screen for so-and-so who is doing such-and-such."  This is just general strategy talk.  The football equivalent is, "We need to be able to run the ball better."

[fatty fat fat]

This isn't really basketall x's and o's talk anyway.  That would be sh*t like, "Sutton needs to cut hard to the baseline so he can set a screen for so-and-so who is doing such-and-such."  This is just general strategy talk.  The football equivalent is, "We need to be able to run the ball better."

riding certain playes w/o logic and ragging on certian players w/o logic is terrible message boarding.

it happens on the bball board all the time, and even the great fatty fat fat is guilty of it.

[sys]

3f, don't suck the joy out of the bball board.

[fatty fat fat]

3f, don't suck the joy out of the bball board.

my bad.

[ksuhampton]

One thing that I have not seen mentioned is that our shot selection in the half court stunk!

[Dick Knewheizel]

kelly is soft, lazy, weak.  poor rebounder (grabs some o boards, but sucks on d boards) and worse defender.

so he can score a bit.  other people can score without giving it right back.

+1

He's great at making dunks when we break down their defense though

[cireksu]

yeah people hate sutton because of how terrible we are when he's in foul trouble.  they blame it on him.

[mavrick1821]

Kelly may be lack on D at times, but that is going to get resolved with more game experience.  As for his effort, I have seen him trap out at the 3 line and hustle his arz off.  Once he gets the rotations down more and stays in position better, he will be fine on defense if not good. 

As for Kelly's offense, I don't really wish to attach 100's of quotes about how overrated he was at Uconn and how he would not do jack for KSU.  I think he is clearly blowing away expectations this early as a go to guy and his free throw % is up some 20%+ from his Uconn days.   Kelly is far and away better than the consensus of this board expected. 

[bigdeal]

Kelly has very good moves in the low post and is a good high post passer.  His defense and rotations are lacking and he doesn't attack the boards with strength.  Our whole team backed down when the game got physical.  Our defensive intensity was lacking and our guards do not control the game and show any consistent feel for how we want to run our offense.  Because of this, the lesser-experienced players don't have any feel.  First 4 possessions of the game, not even a look inside.  After that, Kelly was killing Ole Miss down low in the first half, but just couldn't make a free throw to save his life.  Late first half, Pullen took over.  Early 2nd half, Clemente tried to get in the game but, the problem is, he doesn't get anyone else involved.  He is just looking for his own shot, which he didn't find until he felt some urgency. 

Judge has great potential and is currently a solid player who is learning what he can do.  Both MacGruder and Russel are also trying to find their way so their confidence is kind of shaky, and easily goes away when they don't find immediate success on the court.  The whole team defers to the guards but, and they are pretty good guards, but not dominant.

Our defensive intensity is significantly less than last year, or in years past.  Our rebounding effort and intensity is also lacking.  Frank needs to get this area improved quickly or we are due for some more lackluster, NCAA hope dashing losses i the pre-season.