Author Topic: QB recruiting. Serious question. (Read 3553 times)

Special_K · October 16, 2009, 03:51:37 PM

Quote from: ~WabashRoll~ on October 16, 2009, 02:58:35 PM

Quote from: JTKSU on October 16, 2009, 02:36:29 PM
Quote from: steve dave on October 16, 2009, 02:33:28 PM
They've already switched Harper to WR. If he's our QB it's because the primary and backup plans failed (no idea what those are)

Not a good sign when you have no idea what the primary and backup plans are. I guess we're just betting the farm on Sammy? And what's the deal with Cosh? Why the hell did we even bother signing a spread option guy? Feel kinda bad for the kid. I guess, he can just transfer to wherever his dad ends up after we can his sorry ass.

Excellent post.

Why do you continue to bag on a guy that did nothing but put up big numbers as a junior and is shattering Maryland state high school passing records this season? At the very least, the guy will be a solid backup QB for us for years to come.

Cosh's Junior years stats:
Passing: 293/449 65.3% completed 3892 yds 56 TDs 12 Ints
Rushing: 66 carries 194 yards

Ruffcat · October 16, 2009, 04:29:36 PM

Those number of Cosh's are part of the numerous state passing records he set last year at Arundel High. He set a new MD Career TD passing record last Fri night after 19 games. Still maybe 8 games to go. Was 16 of 19 for Seven TDs in the first 14 1/2 minutes of the game last Fri. Hits his receiver going full speed in the hands.

PowercatPat · October 16, 2009, 05:24:29 PM

Could someone summarize this article of Newton? tia

http://kansasstate.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?ReturnTo=&sid=&script=content.asp&cid=1001328&fid=&tid=&mid=&rid=

JTKSU · October 16, 2009, 11:36:49 PM

Quote from: Special_K on October 16, 2009, 03:51:37 PM

Quote from: ~WabashRoll~ on October 16, 2009, 02:58:35 PM
Quote from: JTKSU on October 16, 2009, 02:36:29 PM
Quote from: steve dave on October 16, 2009, 02:33:28 PM
They've already switched Harper to WR. If he's our QB it's because the primary and backup plans failed (no idea what those are)

Not a good sign when you have no idea what the primary and backup plans are. I guess we're just betting the farm on Sammy? And what's the deal with Cosh? Why the hell did we even bother signing a spread option guy? Feel kinda bad for the kid. I guess, he can just transfer to wherever his dad ends up after we can his sorry ass.

Excellent post.
Why do you continue to bag on a guy that did nothing but put up big numbers as a junior and is shattering Maryland state high school passing records this season? At the very least, the guy will be a solid backup QB for us for years to come.

Cosh's Junior years stats:
Passing: 293/449 65.3% completed 3892 yds 56 TDs 12 Ints
Rushing: 66 carries 194 yards

Never said I don't think the kid is a good qb. His numbers are staggering, no doubt about that. It's just that we don't run a spread offense, or even a pass happy offense. It just seems like he would have been better off going to Kentucky, or some other school that likes to throw 50 times a game.

OLD BALLZ · October 17, 2009, 12:42:34 AM

Quote from: kcchiefdav on October 16, 2009, 03:18:59 PM

In my scouring the area for duel threat QBs, I came across this guy...

http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansasstate/football/recruiting/player-Dominique-Davis-102702

I got to wondering why we weren't in on a QB of an in-state C.C. that is having a really impressive season. So I decided to look up the guy's stats on the year. Here they are...

http://www.kjccc.org/football/09/stats/09ftscott/scombined_6.html

As you can see, he's really done nothing special. His running numbers aren't at all impressive and his passing stats are okay at best. My question is why the he!! is this guy rated at 3*. Is it just because he's on a good team?

Here you go... about the same numbers as now but at least has D-1 experience and is not an unathletic white boy

2008 Season
Took over for the injured Chris Crane midway through the second quarter at Wake Forest and started the last three games...completed 63-of-138 passes on the year for 741 yards with six touchdowns and four interceptions...went 15-for-36 for 190 yards and two touchdowns against Vanderbilt in the Music City Bowl... also rushed six times for 33 yards...completed 17-of-43 passes for a career-high 263 yards and a touchdown against Virginia Tech in the ACC Championship Game...went 12-for-24 for 134 yards and two touchdowns in his first collegiate start vs. Maryland...completed 13-of-23 passes for 103 yards at Wake Forest...engineered a nine play, 70-yard drive in the final minutes for the come-from-behind win...completed passes of 36 and 21 yards during the drive...ran for game winning one-yard touchdown with 1:12 left in the game...completed 2-of-5 passes for 30 yards and rushed for 20 yards in limited action vs. Rhode Island...saw first action of career against UCF, completing 4-of-7 passes for 30 yards and a touchdown...threw first career touchdown pass to Lars Anderson in the fourth quarter.

2007 Season
Completed 5-of-16 passes for 58 yards in BC's spring game...redshirted the 2007 season.

High School
Earned All-State Class 3A first-team honors from the Florida Sports Writers Association as a senior quarterback at Kathleen High School; gained All-State Class 3A honorable mention accolades as a junior ... threw for 2,758 yards and 28 touchdowns in 2006; threw for three or more touchdowns in each of six games ... completed 16-of-33 passes for 271 yards and one touchdown in the Red Devils' regional semifinal loss to Hardee; also ran for one score ... completed 136-of-227 passes for 1,659 yards and 11 touchdowns in 2005; led Kathleen to a 10-3 record and the district title ... played for head coach Brian Armstrong ... played for the North squad in the 2006 Florida Athletic Coaches Association North-South All-Star Game (in Bryant Stadium in Lakeland) ... also competed on the school's basketball and track and field teams.

Personal
Dominique D. Davis, born July 17, 1989 ... enrolled in the College of Arts & Sciences ... Dominique is the son of Rena Davis; his brother Desmond Clark plays tight end for the NFL's Chicago Bears.

GP76 · October 17, 2009, 09:05:10 AM

JTKSU,
Maybe I can paraphrase for you so every one can understand how you feel about young Cosh. Cosh reminds me of Chad May and for the love of Bill Snyder I can't imagine why he ever brought Chad May to Manhattan. If Cosh would just look at what Bill did to hurt Chad May's career he would not come to KSU.

Legore · October 17, 2009, 10:13:10 AM

Talked to someone that has seen a lot of Dominque Davis. Sounds to me like he's an ok player and an ok prospect. Would certainly be an upgrade over what we have but isn't going to be a standout QB in the big 12. This person thinks he could be a good player at a midmajor like East Carolina who apparently is recruiting him the hardest so far.

IMO If we end up going after him hard it means we've missed on our top juco guys Newton, Blackman etc. I did notice that his best game last year was against Cosh's Maryland defense.

Pete · October 17, 2009, 10:21:33 AM

Quote from: Special_K on October 16, 2009, 03:51:37 PM

Quote from: ~WabashRoll~ on October 16, 2009, 02:58:35 PM
Quote from: JTKSU on October 16, 2009, 02:36:29 PM
Quote from: steve dave on October 16, 2009, 02:33:28 PM
They've already switched Harper to WR. If he's our QB it's because the primary and backup plans failed (no idea what those are)

Not a good sign when you have no idea what the primary and backup plans are. I guess we're just betting the farm on Sammy? And what's the deal with Cosh? Why the hell did we even bother signing a spread option guy? Feel kinda bad for the kid. I guess, he can just transfer to wherever his dad ends up after we can his sorry ass.

Excellent post.
Why do you continue to bag on a guy that did nothing but put up big numbers as a junior and is shattering Maryland state high school passing records this season? At the very least, the guy will be a solid backup QB for us for years to come.

Cosh's Junior years stats:
Passing: 293/449 65.3% completed 3892 yds 56 TDs 12 Ints
Rushing: 66 carries 194 yards

My hope is that you are correct.

Pete · October 17, 2009, 10:42:13 AM

Quote from: Special_K on October 16, 2009, 03:51:37 PM

Cosh's Junior years stats:
Passing: 293/449 65.3% completed 3892 yds 56 TDs 12 Ints
Rushing: 66 carries 194 yards

Quote from: Ruffcat on October 16, 2009, 04:29:36 PM

Those number of Cosh's are part of the numerous state passing records he set last year at Arundel High. He set a new MD Career TD passing record last Fri night after 19 games. Still maybe 8 games to go. Was 16 of 19 for Seven TDs in the first 14 1/2 minutes of the game last Fri. Hits his receiver going full speed in the hands.

    Rushing   Passing
Year     Att   Yds   TD   PA   PC    Yds    TD    Int
2005 (Sr.)   -   756   8   -   -   3,343    41   5
2004 (Jr.)   76   350   5   296   195   3,150    29   8

I pulled the above stats from Rivals database...not sure why they don't have completion info...but they are Todd Reesing's stats. But they did say this in a mid-season article

Quote

Through five games, he's completed 75 percent of his passes and thrown for 1,325 yards and 20 touchdowns. Probably the most impressive stat though is that he's not thrown an interception in 110 passing attempts.

Clearly, Cosh put up much better numbers as a junior. However, I will NEVER, and I mean NEVER frackING EVER believe that Maryland football is even a shadow of Texas 4A football in a big Metro area.

The best thing that can be said for Cosh is that Skip Holtz and Rich Brooks wanted him.....as a depth. uk has another 3* QB in the 2010 class, a 3* and a 4* in the 2009 class. E. Carolina has three freshman QB's on the roster this year, and another QB in the 2010 class.

Special_K · October 17, 2009, 12:23:53 PM

Quote from: Pete on October 17, 2009, 10:42:13 AM

Clearly, Cosh put up much better numbers as a junior. However, I will NEVER, and I mean NEVER frackING EVER believe that Maryland football is even a shadow of Texas 4A football in a big Metro area.

The best thing that can be said for Cosh is that Skip Holtz and Rich Brooks wanted him.....as a depth. uk has another 3* QB in the 2010 class, a 3* and a 4* in the 2009 class. E. Carolina has three freshman QB's on the roster this year, and another QB in the 2010 class.

It cuts both ways, though, Pete. Maryland has fewer defensive athletes for Cosh to go up against, but he also has fewer athletes to throw to, hand-off to, and block for him.

Bottomline, typically when you see a guy succeeding like that at the HS level, it's rare they come to college and don't do the same.

Also, even though ECU and uk are his only offers, he was getting looks from some major DI programs before he committed.

LimestoneOutcropping · October 17, 2009, 12:54:07 PM

I think Cosh is a great pickup and I mean it. Glad he chose us. He can clearly sling it and will be a nice guy to put out there if we are down by a couple of scores late in a game.

I do not think he is the answer to get back to winning the north (with this system). And that's what we are playing for.

fatty fat fat · October 17, 2009, 12:55:22 PM

Quote from: LimestoneOutcropping on October 17, 2009, 12:54:07 PM

I think Cosh is a great pickup and I mean it. Glad he chose us. He can clearly sling it and will be a nice guy to put out there if we are down by a couple of scores late in a game.

I do not think he is the answer to get back to winning the north (with this system). And that's what we are playing for.

i agree.

Special_K · October 17, 2009, 01:16:19 PM

Quote from: LimestoneOutcropping on October 17, 2009, 12:54:07 PM

I think Cosh is a great pickup and I mean it. Glad he chose us. He can clearly sling it and will be a nice guy to put out there if we are down by a couple of scores late in a game.

I do not think he is the answer to get back to winning the north (with this system). And that's what we are playing for.

Agree, as well. I'm not expecting the guy to come in and light up the Big XII or even play next season, but, as you stated in so many words, it's important for us to have guys like this on the roster.

Cincinnati lost their potential Heisman trophy candidate QB against USF and still won. OU is beating Texas now with their backup in. It just shows how valuable depth, particularly with respect to the most important position on the field, is to a team's long-term success.

steve dave · October 17, 2009, 01:27:05 PM

WANT

http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansasstate/football/recruiting/player-Jeffrey-Godfrey-71671

Legore · October 17, 2009, 03:14:47 PM

Hard to question taking Cosh when he's better then anything we have on the current roster. When you have the QB situation that KSU has and you have a chance at a kid like Cosh then you gladly take him. But at the same time you don't land a kid like him and think all your problems are over. We clearly need to keep recruiting QB's and land a guy that can come in and make a difference right away.

steve dave · October 17, 2009, 03:22:31 PM

Quote from: Legore on October 17, 2009, 03:14:47 PM

Hard to question taking Cosh when he's better then anything we have on the current roster. When you have the QB situation that KSU has and you have a chance at a kid like Cosh then you gladly take him. But at the same time you don't land a kid like him and think all your problems are over. We clearly need to keep recruiting QB's and land a guy that can come in and make a difference right away.

Yep. Very happy to have him. Hope he never starts a game.

stormnut · October 17, 2009, 03:24:50 PM

Quote from: steve dave on October 17, 2009, 03:22:31 PM

Quote from: Legore on October 17, 2009, 03:14:47 PM
Hard to question taking Cosh when he's better then anything we have on the current roster. When you have the QB situation that KSU has and you have a chance at a kid like Cosh then you gladly take him. But at the same time you don't land a kid like him and think all your problems are over. We clearly need to keep recruiting QB's and land a guy that can come in and make a difference right away.

Yep. Very happy to have him. Hope he never starts a game.

steve dave · October 17, 2009, 03:34:47 PM

Quote from: stormnut on October 17, 2009, 03:24:50 PM

Quote from: steve dave on October 17, 2009, 03:22:31 PM
Quote from: Legore on October 17, 2009, 03:14:47 PM
Hard to question taking Cosh when he's better then anything we have on the current roster. When you have the QB situation that KSU has and you have a chance at a kid like Cosh then you gladly take him. But at the same time you don't land a kid like him and think all your problems are over. We clearly need to keep recruiting QB's and land a guy that can come in and make a difference right away.

Yep. Very happy to have him. Hope he never starts a game.

perfect usage

JTKSU · October 17, 2009, 04:05:36 PM

Quote from: GP76 on October 17, 2009, 09:05:10 AM

JTKSU,
Maybe I can paraphrase for you so every one can understand how you feel about young Cosh. Cosh reminds me of Chad May and for the love of Bill Snyder I can't imagine why he ever brought Chad May to Manhattan. If Cosh would just look at what Bill did to hurt Chad May's career he would not come to KSU.

Marc Dunn would like to speak with you regarding this matter. Also, keep my name out yo mouth fo you get smacked in it.

GP76 · October 17, 2009, 07:43:18 PM

JTKSU,
Yo name is not in ma mouth but yo foot is in yo mouth. Good luck with your QB recruiting analysis. Yo!

JTKSU · October 18, 2009, 03:49:17 AM

Quote from: GP76 on October 17, 2009, 07:43:18 PM

JTKSU,
Yo name is not in ma mouth but yo foot is in yo mouth. Good luck with your QB recruiting analysis. Yo!

It's hard to understand you with Grant Gregory's dick in yo mouf.

Ruffcat · October 19, 2009, 07:56:25 PM

Sounds like some of you guys must think Cosh can't run. Well, those that think that are going to be VERY surprised.

kcchiefdav · October 19, 2009, 07:57:14 PM

Quote from: Ruffcat on October 19, 2009, 07:56:25 PM

Sounds like some of you guys must think Cosh can't run. Well, those that think that are going to be VERY surprised.

How suprised?

Cole · October 19, 2009, 08:14:59 PM

so why are we basically screwed for getting Newton?

Why is Harper not gonna play QB anymore? if he isn't then why does he do pre-game with the QB's?

Ruffcat · October 20, 2009, 04:44:35 PM

Quote from: kcchiefdav on October 19, 2009, 07:57:14 PM

Quote from: Ruffcat on October 19, 2009, 07:56:25 PM
Sounds like some of you guys must think Cosh can't run. Well, those that think that are going to be VERY surprised.

How suprised?

Well, that depends if you are one of those that think he is just a pocket passer and can't run the option or otherwise get down the field.

Last night (game rained out Fri) he was the leading rusher for Arundel. Ran for 40 some yards more than their highly touted running back Blackwell on the same number of carries. Averaged 5.6 yards per carry. He can make tacklers miss.

None were scrambles (never seen that happen because he gets the ball out so quickly) or sneaks. All designed plays.

Oh, and he threw for another 5 TDs before being pulled in the early part of the 4th qtr. Tough night, he usually gets that many in the first half. But, the receivers kept dropping balls. Not sure if it was the COLD or that he was throwing too hard, or a combination.

He was only 22 of 34 (65%) for 245 yds.

catzacker · October 20, 2009, 05:00:53 PM

we should probably offer smith center's runningback (no idea who it is) because he is probably putting up mind blowing rushing yards.

Chingon · October 20, 2009, 05:33:16 PM

Quote from: steve dave on October 17, 2009, 01:27:05 PM

WANT

http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansasstate/football/recruiting/player-Jeffrey-Godfrey-71671

It looks like he has friends who would be nice to snag as well....

hey I can dream can't I?

JTKSU · October 21, 2009, 03:00:47 AM

Quote from: Ruffcat on October 20, 2009, 04:44:35 PM

Quote from: kcchiefdav on October 19, 2009, 07:57:14 PM
Quote from: Ruffcat on October 19, 2009, 07:56:25 PM
Sounds like some of you guys must think Cosh can't run. Well, those that think that are going to be VERY surprised.

How suprised?

Well, that depends if you are one of those that think he is just a pocket passer and can't run the option or otherwise get down the field.

Last night (game rained out Fri) he was the leading rusher for Arundel. Ran for 40 some yards more than their highly touted running back Blackwell on the same number of carries. Averaged 5.6 yards per carry. He can make tacklers miss.

None were scrambles (never seen that happen because he gets the ball out so quickly) or sneaks. All designed plays.

Oh, and he threw for another 5 TDs before being pulled in the early part of the 4th qtr. Tough night, he usually gets that many in the first half. But, the receivers kept dropping balls. Not sure if it was the COLD or that he was throwing too hard, or a combination.

He was only 22 of 34 (65%) for 245 yds.

Dear Mrs Cosh: It's not that we don't think that your son can't play the game, it's just think that Chris's style of play is not necessarily the same as Snyd's. He (Cosh) will be a very welcome part of the team. I just hope he never takes a meaningful snap for the Cats. Also- your husband really sucks. Any way you can get him to quit and stop bringing Vic down? I'LL hang up and listen off the air!!

steve dave · October 21, 2009, 07:34:17 AM

I kinda like Cosh as a coach

catzacker · October 21, 2009, 08:06:35 AM

Quote from: steve dave on October 21, 2009, 07:34:17 AM

I kinda like Cosh as a coach

I wish I liked him as a recruiter.